Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Looking for insight! - Long! Now - Speech Therapy
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In a message dated 8/5/2008 10:52:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
smccann@... writes:
Apraxia affects the ability to motor
plan but it does not affect intelligence. Someone told me once that
you could liken it to someone with a stroke. They KNOW what they
want to say but the messages get mixed up on the way to the mouth.
Right now I find the hardest part to be that some people believe that
since he CAN articulate words correctly or near correctly that he
should be able to answer their questions or test verbally. They do
not understand that it's more complicated, that saying a word in
isolation is one thing but putting it in a sentence is a whole
different ball of wax. Does he really need the SLP? I'm on the
fence so I think as long as he wants to go see her I'll keep taking
him. I do think a talk with her is in order though as several of you
suggested.
____
I found and read a few of the posts about this thread and wanted to take a
few moments to comment.
As a speech-language pathologist and unschooling parent, I'm very cautious
about recommending speech-language therapy especially for young children.
Most often, articulation errors and expressive/reception language problems are
developmental and will just take care of themselves. All those s and r
sounds magically disappear with and without therapy. I usually recommend a "watch
and wait" approach and encourage parents to be sure that they provide a
language rich environment and see what improvements come about in a year or so.
As many other posters have commented, most children speak quite fluently in
and clearly in their own time without intervention.
If a child has become extremely self-conscious about their speech (usually
an older child), I will first work with the parent and child together and
offer suggestions of specific things they can do at home. There are some fun
games that help target certain sounds and they are easily available for parents
to buy.
There are times, however, that I do recommend therapy. Verbal apraxia can
be very different from the typical speech problems most people are used to
seeing. It is difficult to know the severity of this child's verbal apraxia from
a post. It can be very similar to the kind of therapy needed after a
stroke. Few people would recommend against speech therapy for an adult that had
difficulty speaking or understanding after a stroke or some other brain injury.
This might be a situation where the parent could find a more supportive
speech pathologist who would work with them rather than dictating what they
should be doing. Verbal apraxia can significantly impact the ability to
communicate and may need some direct therapy. The answer to your question about
whether therapy is needed is "It depends" just as it is for many other situations.
I would definitely recommend finding someone who is supportive of your
parenting philosophy if you decide to pursue further therapy. I'd be happy to
discuss this more off-list if you have other questions.
Gail
_http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/_
(http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/)
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smccann@... writes:
Apraxia affects the ability to motor
plan but it does not affect intelligence. Someone told me once that
you could liken it to someone with a stroke. They KNOW what they
want to say but the messages get mixed up on the way to the mouth.
Right now I find the hardest part to be that some people believe that
since he CAN articulate words correctly or near correctly that he
should be able to answer their questions or test verbally. They do
not understand that it's more complicated, that saying a word in
isolation is one thing but putting it in a sentence is a whole
different ball of wax. Does he really need the SLP? I'm on the
fence so I think as long as he wants to go see her I'll keep taking
him. I do think a talk with her is in order though as several of you
suggested.
____
I found and read a few of the posts about this thread and wanted to take a
few moments to comment.
As a speech-language pathologist and unschooling parent, I'm very cautious
about recommending speech-language therapy especially for young children.
Most often, articulation errors and expressive/reception language problems are
developmental and will just take care of themselves. All those s and r
sounds magically disappear with and without therapy. I usually recommend a "watch
and wait" approach and encourage parents to be sure that they provide a
language rich environment and see what improvements come about in a year or so.
As many other posters have commented, most children speak quite fluently in
and clearly in their own time without intervention.
If a child has become extremely self-conscious about their speech (usually
an older child), I will first work with the parent and child together and
offer suggestions of specific things they can do at home. There are some fun
games that help target certain sounds and they are easily available for parents
to buy.
There are times, however, that I do recommend therapy. Verbal apraxia can
be very different from the typical speech problems most people are used to
seeing. It is difficult to know the severity of this child's verbal apraxia from
a post. It can be very similar to the kind of therapy needed after a
stroke. Few people would recommend against speech therapy for an adult that had
difficulty speaking or understanding after a stroke or some other brain injury.
This might be a situation where the parent could find a more supportive
speech pathologist who would work with them rather than dictating what they
should be doing. Verbal apraxia can significantly impact the ability to
communicate and may need some direct therapy. The answer to your question about
whether therapy is needed is "It depends" just as it is for many other situations.
I would definitely recommend finding someone who is supportive of your
parenting philosophy if you decide to pursue further therapy. I'd be happy to
discuss this more off-list if you have other questions.
Gail
_http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/_
(http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/)
**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
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Shannon
Absolutely! I have the same thing and there are still sometimes I have
problems or I make up words usually the blending of two similar meaning
words to fit my meaning but not done intentionally. My son has taken to
enunciating words for me when I miss something which I need to not let me
upset me because he is only doing what I have done for him and he is only
trying to help. It is not just the motor it is the conduit from the brain to
the mouth. Imagine a subway with too many people so full that the people
cannot move. Practice helped me a lot but I was only receptive when I found
something I wanted. Doctor Seuss books read aloud helped a lot and we still
do - now my son is taking joy in taking turns doing it and no one can do an
entire book at an insane pace perfectly. Getting the word in the eye to the
brain, process, translate and to the mouth is a lot of work so find things
that make it fun or at least make it a mommy/daddy and me thing.
Shannon
_____
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Looking for insight! - Long! Now -
Speech Therapy
In a message dated 8/5/2008 10:52:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
smccann@securespeed <mailto:smccann%40securespeed.net> .net writes:
Apraxia affects the ability to motor
plan but it does not affect intelligence. Someone told me once that
you could liken it to someone with a stroke. They KNOW what they
want to say but the messages get mixed up on the way to the mouth.
Right now I find the hardest part to be that some people believe that
since he CAN articulate words correctly or near correctly that he
should be able to answer their questions or test verbally. They do
not understand that it's more complicated, that saying a word in
isolation is one thing but putting it in a sentence is a whole
different ball of wax. Does he really need the SLP? I'm on the
fence so I think as long as he wants to go see her I'll keep taking
him. I do think a talk with her is in order though as several of you
suggested.
____
I found and read a few of the posts about this thread and wanted to take a
few moments to comment.
As a speech-language pathologist and unschooling parent, I'm very cautious
about recommending speech-language therapy especially for young children.
Most often, articulation errors and expressive/reception language problems
are
developmental and will just take care of themselves. All those s and r
sounds magically disappear with and without therapy. I usually recommend a
"watch
and wait" approach and encourage parents to be sure that they provide a
language rich environment and see what improvements come about in a year or
so.
As many other posters have commented, most children speak quite fluently in
and clearly in their own time without intervention.
If a child has become extremely self-conscious about their speech (usually
an older child), I will first work with the parent and child together and
offer suggestions of specific things they can do at home. There are some fun
games that help target certain sounds and they are easily available for
parents
to buy.
There are times, however, that I do recommend therapy. Verbal apraxia can
be very different from the typical speech problems most people are used to
seeing. It is difficult to know the severity of this child's verbal apraxia
from
a post. It can be very similar to the kind of therapy needed after a
stroke. Few people would recommend against speech therapy for an adult that
had
difficulty speaking or understanding after a stroke or some other brain
injury.
This might be a situation where the parent could find a more supportive
speech pathologist who would work with them rather than dictating what they
should be doing. Verbal apraxia can significantly impact the ability to
communicate and may need some direct therapy. The answer to your question
about
whether therapy is needed is "It depends" just as it is for many other
situations.
I would definitely recommend finding someone who is supportive of your
parenting philosophy if you decide to pursue further therapy. I'd be happy
to
discuss this more off-list if you have other questions.
Gail
_http://gail- <http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/_>
hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/_
(http://gail- <http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/>
hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/)
**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
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problems or I make up words usually the blending of two similar meaning
words to fit my meaning but not done intentionally. My son has taken to
enunciating words for me when I miss something which I need to not let me
upset me because he is only doing what I have done for him and he is only
trying to help. It is not just the motor it is the conduit from the brain to
the mouth. Imagine a subway with too many people so full that the people
cannot move. Practice helped me a lot but I was only receptive when I found
something I wanted. Doctor Seuss books read aloud helped a lot and we still
do - now my son is taking joy in taking turns doing it and no one can do an
entire book at an insane pace perfectly. Getting the word in the eye to the
brain, process, translate and to the mouth is a lot of work so find things
that make it fun or at least make it a mommy/daddy and me thing.
Shannon
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gailbrocop@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Looking for insight! - Long! Now -
Speech Therapy
In a message dated 8/5/2008 10:52:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
smccann@securespeed <mailto:smccann%40securespeed.net> .net writes:
Apraxia affects the ability to motor
plan but it does not affect intelligence. Someone told me once that
you could liken it to someone with a stroke. They KNOW what they
want to say but the messages get mixed up on the way to the mouth.
Right now I find the hardest part to be that some people believe that
since he CAN articulate words correctly or near correctly that he
should be able to answer their questions or test verbally. They do
not understand that it's more complicated, that saying a word in
isolation is one thing but putting it in a sentence is a whole
different ball of wax. Does he really need the SLP? I'm on the
fence so I think as long as he wants to go see her I'll keep taking
him. I do think a talk with her is in order though as several of you
suggested.
____
I found and read a few of the posts about this thread and wanted to take a
few moments to comment.
As a speech-language pathologist and unschooling parent, I'm very cautious
about recommending speech-language therapy especially for young children.
Most often, articulation errors and expressive/reception language problems
are
developmental and will just take care of themselves. All those s and r
sounds magically disappear with and without therapy. I usually recommend a
"watch
and wait" approach and encourage parents to be sure that they provide a
language rich environment and see what improvements come about in a year or
so.
As many other posters have commented, most children speak quite fluently in
and clearly in their own time without intervention.
If a child has become extremely self-conscious about their speech (usually
an older child), I will first work with the parent and child together and
offer suggestions of specific things they can do at home. There are some fun
games that help target certain sounds and they are easily available for
parents
to buy.
There are times, however, that I do recommend therapy. Verbal apraxia can
be very different from the typical speech problems most people are used to
seeing. It is difficult to know the severity of this child's verbal apraxia
from
a post. It can be very similar to the kind of therapy needed after a
stroke. Few people would recommend against speech therapy for an adult that
had
difficulty speaking or understanding after a stroke or some other brain
injury.
This might be a situation where the parent could find a more supportive
speech pathologist who would work with them rather than dictating what they
should be doing. Verbal apraxia can significantly impact the ability to
communicate and may need some direct therapy. The answer to your question
about
whether therapy is needed is "It depends" just as it is for many other
situations.
I would definitely recommend finding someone who is supportive of your
parenting philosophy if you decide to pursue further therapy. I'd be happy
to
discuss this more off-list if you have other questions.
Gail
_http://gail- <http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/_>
hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/_
(http://gail- <http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/>
hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/)
**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.
<http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000
017> aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
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