Agree to dissagree
Debbie Gillett
I was sent a link to this group because I became interested in the unschooling technique. I came here knowing that it was a newly formed group but formed by people who had years invested in the unschooling way of life and teaching.
This is also my full second year of "home schooling". So I do not consider myself a newbie nor would I say I was an expert in any way. I do however belong to several homeschooling groups, some local and some regional and some all over the United States. As well as I own a local yahoo homeschool group. I have also had many years of just chatting in different groups through out the years. I mention all this so that you understand that I am not new to the way the internet and these web groups work.
From my recent readings of messages, there seems to be some "bad blood" over the way the terminology and the way web groups have been changed from unschooling to homeschooling or vice versa. Either way it does not matter. As a newbie to this forum I am quite dissappointed that intelligent people can not agree to disagree at this point. I am so for bringing the "HOMESCHOOLING" community together. Whatever that might mean to you, whether you are using a cirrculum, or are eclectic, or use one of the various other forms to homeschool or whether you are an unschooler. But to carry on and bicker over the terms "unschooling or homeschooling" seems to be a tad bit to much at this point. I thought this particular group was for unschooling basics not for discussing strongly (notice I did not use the term arguing because I do not think this is a heated conversation) (and I do think I read somewhere not sure if it was this group or another one where the same topic is being discussed, but that we all learn from discussions in the cases where not everyone agrees and that sometimes when you feel strongly one way that when reading or listening to the other side sometimes we learn some things and we might just change how we think or at least come to an understanding and learn how the other side feels) why or how other boards have been changed to NOT SAT "UNSCHOOLING" anymore. At first I found it interesting because I did not belong to HEM or any unschooling groups. But at this point, the conversation is getting quite old. I know I am not the only one that feels this way because there has been others who I have seen in other groups discuss how they do not like how the conversations has went here.
I am asking that as intelligent adults that we can agree that unschooling is just one form of homeschooling and that some people will try this method and others will not. Some will use it only as the only way to raise their children while others will use bits and parts of it but feel that adding a work sheet or book into the mix is what works for them.
I think we can all agree that by homeschooling our children whether or not your children ever stepped foot in a public, private or charter school that we are all homeschooling because we want what is best for our children. We all come here with the same common purpose. To discuss strongly what techinique or the term of the technique a person uses to teach their children should not be up for arguements or strong debates. Lets go back to the real reason we are all here and it is for the love of the children.
Now with that being said and I was not trying to offend anyone but hoping you all who are involved in the above can see how it is doing nothing for us newbies who came here to learn about what unschooling is all about. I liked the ideas of whoever mentioned it right when the group got started for experience unschoolers to tell how a day in the life at your home works. Maybe if we can get back on track we all can learn something about how unschooling works for you and your children.
And if I have over stepped my bounds and am met with resistance or am unsubscribed without my doing then I know that I have come to the wrong group. I do not think badly about any of you because when someone feels so very strongly about a specific subject some times they are just scooped up into that little world and can not sometimes see outside of it without a little nudge. I am still really excited to learn about what seems to be a wonderful way to let the kids learn in such loving and relaxed way. And who knows maybe unschooling will be for my family and me and maybe it will not but I am ready to take the journey here to find this out.
Thanks for listening
Debbie
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This is also my full second year of "home schooling". So I do not consider myself a newbie nor would I say I was an expert in any way. I do however belong to several homeschooling groups, some local and some regional and some all over the United States. As well as I own a local yahoo homeschool group. I have also had many years of just chatting in different groups through out the years. I mention all this so that you understand that I am not new to the way the internet and these web groups work.
From my recent readings of messages, there seems to be some "bad blood" over the way the terminology and the way web groups have been changed from unschooling to homeschooling or vice versa. Either way it does not matter. As a newbie to this forum I am quite dissappointed that intelligent people can not agree to disagree at this point. I am so for bringing the "HOMESCHOOLING" community together. Whatever that might mean to you, whether you are using a cirrculum, or are eclectic, or use one of the various other forms to homeschool or whether you are an unschooler. But to carry on and bicker over the terms "unschooling or homeschooling" seems to be a tad bit to much at this point. I thought this particular group was for unschooling basics not for discussing strongly (notice I did not use the term arguing because I do not think this is a heated conversation) (and I do think I read somewhere not sure if it was this group or another one where the same topic is being discussed, but that we all learn from discussions in the cases where not everyone agrees and that sometimes when you feel strongly one way that when reading or listening to the other side sometimes we learn some things and we might just change how we think or at least come to an understanding and learn how the other side feels) why or how other boards have been changed to NOT SAT "UNSCHOOLING" anymore. At first I found it interesting because I did not belong to HEM or any unschooling groups. But at this point, the conversation is getting quite old. I know I am not the only one that feels this way because there has been others who I have seen in other groups discuss how they do not like how the conversations has went here.
I am asking that as intelligent adults that we can agree that unschooling is just one form of homeschooling and that some people will try this method and others will not. Some will use it only as the only way to raise their children while others will use bits and parts of it but feel that adding a work sheet or book into the mix is what works for them.
I think we can all agree that by homeschooling our children whether or not your children ever stepped foot in a public, private or charter school that we are all homeschooling because we want what is best for our children. We all come here with the same common purpose. To discuss strongly what techinique or the term of the technique a person uses to teach their children should not be up for arguements or strong debates. Lets go back to the real reason we are all here and it is for the love of the children.
Now with that being said and I was not trying to offend anyone but hoping you all who are involved in the above can see how it is doing nothing for us newbies who came here to learn about what unschooling is all about. I liked the ideas of whoever mentioned it right when the group got started for experience unschoolers to tell how a day in the life at your home works. Maybe if we can get back on track we all can learn something about how unschooling works for you and your children.
And if I have over stepped my bounds and am met with resistance or am unsubscribed without my doing then I know that I have come to the wrong group. I do not think badly about any of you because when someone feels so very strongly about a specific subject some times they are just scooped up into that little world and can not sometimes see outside of it without a little nudge. I am still really excited to learn about what seems to be a wonderful way to let the kids learn in such loving and relaxed way. And who knows maybe unschooling will be for my family and me and maybe it will not but I am ready to take the journey here to find this out.
Thanks for listening
Debbie
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Helen Hegener
>At 6:03 PM -0400 6/6/04, Debbie Gillett wrote:I'm not the least bit offended, Debbie - in fact I was starting to
> Now with that being said and I was not trying to offend anyone but
>hoping you all who are involved in the above can see how it is doing
>nothing for us newbies who came here to learn about what unschooling
>is all about.
feel guilty about taking up list space here to answer the questions
that were being asked. I totally agree with you that continuing the
off-topic discussion would be distracting from this list's good
purpose, and I'm going to refrain from further confusing the original
intent and name of this list.
Helen
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:27:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HEM-Editor@... writes:
I totally agree with you that continuing the
off-topic discussion would be distracting from this list's good
purpose, and I'm going to refrain from further confusing the original
intent and name of this list.
<<<<<
I'd appreciate that, Helen. This list is for beginning unschoolers, not for
a discussion of homeschooling.
Thank you.
~Kelly, listowner
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HEM-Editor@... writes:
I totally agree with you that continuing the
off-topic discussion would be distracting from this list's good
purpose, and I'm going to refrain from further confusing the original
intent and name of this list.
<<<<<
I'd appreciate that, Helen. This list is for beginning unschoolers, not for
a discussion of homeschooling.
Thank you.
~Kelly, listowner
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/6/2004 5:32:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
DebluvzMACnJ@... writes:
that floats around different groups online that would fit very well here
,,,,,with any post that comes on here,,remember..'''keep the meat and through out the
bones''..use what works and dont worry with the rest.........June
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DebluvzMACnJ@... writes:
> what is best for our children. We all come here with the same commonhere is a thought from a newbie of every sense of the word.there's a quote
> purpose. To discuss strongly what techinique or the term of the technique a person
> uses to teach their children should not be up for arguements or strong
> debates. Lets go back to the real reason we are all here and it is for the love of
> the children.
>
that floats around different groups online that would fit very well here
,,,,,with any post that comes on here,,remember..'''keep the meat and through out the
bones''..use what works and dont worry with the rest.........June
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Joan Labbe & Salvatore Genovese
After our initial venture and subsequent two visits since yesterday to
Plaster Fun Time my daughter and son are in love with painting these little
animals and plaster shapes with mirrors etc. I am now going broke. I am
wondering if anyone knows if it's possible and cheaper to purchase these
things to bring home and paint? Does anyone know type of store or where is
the best place to start? I would also love to get whatever that
shiny/sparkly stuff they spray on at the end is also. I'd like to promote
their interest and still be able to pay my bills...
Thanks.
Joan
Plaster Fun Time my daughter and son are in love with painting these little
animals and plaster shapes with mirrors etc. I am now going broke. I am
wondering if anyone knows if it's possible and cheaper to purchase these
things to bring home and paint? Does anyone know type of store or where is
the best place to start? I would also love to get whatever that
shiny/sparkly stuff they spray on at the end is also. I'd like to promote
their interest and still be able to pay my bills...
Thanks.
Joan
Tina
<<Does anyone know type of store or where is the best place to
start? I would also love to get whatever that shiny/sparkly stuff
they spray on at the end is also. I'd like to promote their interest
and still be able to pay my bills...>>
My suggestions are as follows:
Surplus Stores
Big Lots
Michaels
Resale Stores
Yard Sales
Rummage Sales
JoAnn Fabrics
Freecycle Groups
I hope this helps...
Tina
start? I would also love to get whatever that shiny/sparkly stuff
they spray on at the end is also. I'd like to promote their interest
and still be able to pay my bills...>>
My suggestions are as follows:
Surplus Stores
Big Lots
Michaels
Resale Stores
Yard Sales
Rummage Sales
JoAnn Fabrics
Freecycle Groups
I hope this helps...
Tina
Fetteroll
on 6/8/04 5:29 PM, Joan Labbe & Salvatore Genovese at
salgenovese@... wrote:
(There's one in Bellingham but it's a chain and they might have a website if
you don't know of one nearer to you.)
They might have the plaster pieces but if not they (or a hardware store)
will have boxes of plaster and they sell all sorts of molds for various
things. Just rub it with vaseline before you pour the plaster in.
The shiny stuff might be spray acrylic. But you could take one of the pieces
to the store and ask if they have something similar.
Joyce
salgenovese@... wrote:
> I amA.C. Moore
> wondering if anyone knows if it's possible and cheaper to purchase these
> things to bring home and paint?
(There's one in Bellingham but it's a chain and they might have a website if
you don't know of one nearer to you.)
They might have the plaster pieces but if not they (or a hardware store)
will have boxes of plaster and they sell all sorts of molds for various
things. Just rub it with vaseline before you pour the plaster in.
The shiny stuff might be spray acrylic. But you could take one of the pieces
to the store and ask if they have something similar.
Joyce
Joan Labbe & Salvatore Genovese
Thanks, Tina. I will try some of these! Joan
-----Original Message-----
From: Tina [mailto:zoocrew@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Looking for a few good materials...
<<Does anyone know type of store or where is the best place to
start? I would also love to get whatever that shiny/sparkly stuff
they spray on at the end is also. I'd like to promote their interest
and still be able to pay my bills...>>
My suggestions are as follows:
Surplus Stores
Big Lots
Michaels
Resale Stores
Yard Sales
Rummage Sales
JoAnn Fabrics
Freecycle Groups
I hope this helps...
Tina
Yahoo! Groups Links
-----Original Message-----
From: Tina [mailto:zoocrew@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Looking for a few good materials...
<<Does anyone know type of store or where is the best place to
start? I would also love to get whatever that shiny/sparkly stuff
they spray on at the end is also. I'd like to promote their interest
and still be able to pay my bills...>>
My suggestions are as follows:
Surplus Stores
Big Lots
Michaels
Resale Stores
Yard Sales
Rummage Sales
JoAnn Fabrics
Freecycle Groups
I hope this helps...
Tina
Yahoo! Groups Links
Fetteroll
on 6/9/04 5:21 AM, Fetteroll at fetteroll@... wrote:
I thought I was replying locally. You're even less likely to be near
Bellingham on the basics list! ;-) Hopefully AC Moore is nationwide. There's
also Michael's.
Joyce
> There's one in BellinghamOops! The basics list mail and my local list mail are in the same folder and
I thought I was replying locally. You're even less likely to be near
Bellingham on the basics list! ;-) Hopefully AC Moore is nationwide. There's
also Michael's.
Joyce
Joan Labbe & Salvatore Genovese
Thanks, Joyce. There is actually both an AC Moore and a Michaels very
closeby...I will check both. Joan
-----Original Message-----
From: Fetteroll [mailto:fetteroll@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Looking for a few good materials...
on 6/9/04 5:21 AM, Fetteroll at fetteroll@... wrote:
I thought I was replying locally. You're even less likely to be near
Bellingham on the basics list! ;-) Hopefully AC Moore is nationwide. There's
also Michael's.
Joyce
Yahoo! Groups Links
closeby...I will check both. Joan
-----Original Message-----
From: Fetteroll [mailto:fetteroll@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Looking for a few good materials...
on 6/9/04 5:21 AM, Fetteroll at fetteroll@... wrote:
> There's one in BellinghamOops! The basics list mail and my local list mail are in the same folder and
I thought I was replying locally. You're even less likely to be near
Bellingham on the basics list! ;-) Hopefully AC Moore is nationwide. There's
also Michael's.
Joyce
Yahoo! Groups Links
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understanding. ~Albert Einstein
I got this quote today from a politically-minded friend. Thought it
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Thanks Kelly, I love this. Definitely it brings the middle east to mind, but also parenting!
Jodi
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
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understanding. ~Albert Einstein
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~Kelly
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kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
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understanding. ~Albert Einstein
I got this quote today from a politically-minded friend. Thought it
might be good here too.
~Kelly
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Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
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Jodi Bezzola
I had to reply again, because as I hit send on my last email all about peace, my girls were having their umpteenth power struggle of the day with each other...this too shall pass, right?!? <g>
Jodi
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by
understanding. ~Albert Einstein
I got this quote today from a politically-minded friend. Thought it
might be good here too.
~Kelly
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Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
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Jodi
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by
understanding. ~Albert Einstein
I got this quote today from a politically-minded friend. Thought it
might be good here too.
~Kelly
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