help with getting started
guardme22
I am just learning and exploring unschooling. My nephew lives with me
and I am in the military. He just moved from NC to SC with me and he
is starting the 9th grade this year. I am not sure where to begin. I
want to make sure I have everything ready and I am doing the right
thing for him. Looking for some advice on where to start. I know I
have to find what is best for our situation.
and I am in the military. He just moved from NC to SC with me and he
is starting the 9th grade this year. I am not sure where to begin. I
want to make sure I have everything ready and I am doing the right
thing for him. Looking for some advice on where to start. I know I
have to find what is best for our situation.
Joyce Fetteroll
On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:12 PM, guardme22 wrote:
here:
http://www.nhen.org/support/support.asp?id=311
There are links for Military Homeschoolers and for Support Groups
(that links to NHEN Support Group Database) where you can find a link
to a state group in South Carolina that will have information about
the laws there.
For unschooling you can browse the archives of this list, type in
keywords
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingbasics/messages
(use the search box next to the "Message #" not the other two on the
page)
or just ask specific questions right here :-)
Joyce
> I am just learning and exploring unschooling. My nephew lives with meTo get you started with the legal aspects of homeschooling, if you go
> and I am in the military. He just moved from NC to SC with me and he
> is starting the 9th grade this year. I am not sure where to begin. I
> want to make sure I have everything ready and I am doing the right
> thing for him. Looking for some advice on where to start. I know I
> have to find what is best for our situation.
here:
http://www.nhen.org/support/support.asp?id=311
There are links for Military Homeschoolers and for Support Groups
(that links to NHEN Support Group Database) where you can find a link
to a state group in South Carolina that will have information about
the laws there.
For unschooling you can browse the archives of this list, type in
keywords
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingbasics/messages
(use the search box next to the "Message #" not the other two on the
page)
or just ask specific questions right here :-)
Joyce
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: guardme22 <guardme22@...>
I am just learning and exploring unschooling. My nephew lives with me
and I am in the military. He just moved from NC to SC with me and he
is starting the 9th grade this year. I am not sure where to begin. I
want to make sure I have everything ready and I am doing the right
thing for him. Looking for some advice on where to start. I know I
have to find what is best for our situation.
-=-=-=-=-
First, read and KNOW the homeschooling law in SC.
Contact other unschoolers nearby. Find out how they do what they do to
cover their legal bases. (I have a pool party at my house every
Wednesday in southeast Columbia---just outside the Wildcat gate,
between Trotter and Leesburg roads. You're welcome to join us and pick
a few brains!)
Don't look at it as ninth grade. Look at it as LIFE.
What are his passions? What does he love to DO? Facilitate his
passions. He'll learn: I guarantee it! <g> Call me if you have
questions 803 237 4948
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
From: guardme22 <guardme22@...>
I am just learning and exploring unschooling. My nephew lives with me
and I am in the military. He just moved from NC to SC with me and he
is starting the 9th grade this year. I am not sure where to begin. I
want to make sure I have everything ready and I am doing the right
thing for him. Looking for some advice on where to start. I know I
have to find what is best for our situation.
-=-=-=-=-
First, read and KNOW the homeschooling law in SC.
Contact other unschoolers nearby. Find out how they do what they do to
cover their legal bases. (I have a pool party at my house every
Wednesday in southeast Columbia---just outside the Wildcat gate,
between Trotter and Leesburg roads. You're welcome to join us and pick
a few brains!)
Don't look at it as ninth grade. Look at it as LIFE.
What are his passions? What does he love to DO? Facilitate his
passions. He'll learn: I guarantee it! <g> Call me if you have
questions 803 237 4948
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
Robin
I'm just starting unschooling--I'm heavily into de-schooling myself
(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
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(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
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Emilie Rugard
Why not get her chicks to hatch from eggs. You can rent an incubator
and return some or all of them to the farm when they get big through
their education programme. They do this in school. You can do it at home.
Emilie
At 12:06 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote:
and return some or all of them to the farm when they get big through
their education programme. They do this in school. You can do it at home.
Emilie
At 12:06 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote:
>I'm just starting unschooling--I'm heavily into de-schooling myself[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
>
>Here's my uncertianty:
>My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
>creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
>today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
>a baby bird.
>
>I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
>very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
>(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
>and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
>crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
>and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
>am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
>mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
>
>I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
>I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
>will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
>always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
>slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
>in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
>
>I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
>animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
>She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
>
>Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
>
>I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
>tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
>
>Thanks,
>Robin
>Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
><http://www.jointhesolution.com/livinggaia>http://www.jointhesolution.com/livinggaia
>To find out how to rent a solar system and lock in your utility rates
>for up to 25 years.
>
Jodi Bezzola
Hi Robin,
I don't have any ideas for you (it being 1:06 a.m. right now), but I think there would be other ways for your daughter to pursue her interest in baby birds without disturbing a nest and possibly ending the life of a baby bird. To me, that would be 100% disrespectful and abusive of the bird family. Just my 2 cents.
Anyway, welcome to unschooling, and I applaud your desire to take your daughter's interests seriously. This one just doesn't work for me. Hopefully the wise ones will come along with some creative alternate ideas for you and your daughter and baby birds.
Jodi
I don't have any ideas for you (it being 1:06 a.m. right now), but I think there would be other ways for your daughter to pursue her interest in baby birds without disturbing a nest and possibly ending the life of a baby bird. To me, that would be 100% disrespectful and abusive of the bird family. Just my 2 cents.
Anyway, welcome to unschooling, and I applaud your desire to take your daughter's interests seriously. This one just doesn't work for me. Hopefully the wise ones will come along with some creative alternate ideas for you and your daughter and baby birds.
Jodi
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Robin <GaiaAlive@...> wrote:
From: Robin <GaiaAlive@...>
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:06 AM
I'm just starting unschooling- -I'm heavily into de-schooling myself
(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
http://www.jointhes olution.com/ livinggaia
To find out how to rent a solar system and lock in your utility rates
for up to 25 years.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Debra Rossing
Any chance you can unobtrusively rig up a video camera or webcam of some
sort so that you can see the baby birds and watch them develop *without*
taking them out of the nest? And, along with that, hit the library for
baby animal/baby bird videos and maybe look for local farms or whatever
that might have baby critters that she can *safely* interact with. If
there are 4H groups in your area, see if you can hook up to check out
the critters - 4H fairs for instance, you can go 'visit' the critters
without raising them yourself (though if there is a 4H group that has
something for the appropriate age group, might be worth checking into -
some of the 4H groups around us have a "junior" group for kids in the 5
to 9 yr old age range - the Cloverbuds).
Deb
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sort so that you can see the baby birds and watch them develop *without*
taking them out of the nest? And, along with that, hit the library for
baby animal/baby bird videos and maybe look for local farms or whatever
that might have baby critters that she can *safely* interact with. If
there are 4H groups in your area, see if you can hook up to check out
the critters - 4H fairs for instance, you can go 'visit' the critters
without raising them yourself (though if there is a 4H group that has
something for the appropriate age group, might be worth checking into -
some of the 4H groups around us have a "junior" group for kids in the 5
to 9 yr old age range - the Cloverbuds).
Deb
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-----Original Message-----
From: Debra Rossing <debra.rossing@...>
Any chance you can unobtrusively rig up a video camera or webcam of some
sort so that you can see the baby birds and watch them develop *without*
taking them out of the nest? And, along with that, hit the library for
baby animal/baby bird videos and maybe look for local farms or whatever
that might have baby critters that she can *safely* interact with. If
there are 4H groups in your area, see if you can hook up to check out
the critters - 4H fairs for instance, you can go 'visit' the critters
without raising them yourself (though if there is a 4H group that has
something for the appropriate age group, might be worth checking into -
some of the 4H groups around us have a "junior" group for kids in the 5
to 9 yr old age range - the Cloverbuds).
-=-=-=-
And here in Columbia, we have a Wildlife rehab center. They desperately
need volunteers, supplies, and money. If she'd be willing to do some
"dirty work," they might allow her to hold and feed one of the chicks
they're rehabbing. They would *certainly* also explain why that's not a
good idea.
All that said, I don't know that it's a guarantee that the parents
would abandon the babes if touched. That may be a wives' tale...or
maybe breed-specific. I have gently scooped up naked house finch chicks
which have fallen out of the nest on a stormy/windy night and placed
the nest back in its spot while the parents screeched at me. We watched
them care for the chicks to fledglings and watched the babies fly off.
We also had a nest of wrens on our porch two summers ago. When fledging
(so fuzzy and round!), they were stuck on the porch and couldn't take
off with the high wall (no way out), so I picked each of them up and
let Duncan hold them; and we helped them get off the porch (Dangerous
spot, that! With two cats!). They "flew" to the oleander bush and hid
for a bit/got stronger until they were ready to take off. VERY
exciting.
We've also gotten to hold hummingbirds---now THAT's an experience! Back
before Ryan, the guide dog, ripped all the screens off the back porch,
hummers would fly in through the open door and get trapped. Sometimes
their tiny beaks would get stuck in the screen. I'd scoop them up,
bring them in to show the boys, and release them. Getting that close to
hummingbirds was something!
~Kelly, avid birder and protector of my winged friends here
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
From: Debra Rossing <debra.rossing@...>
Any chance you can unobtrusively rig up a video camera or webcam of some
sort so that you can see the baby birds and watch them develop *without*
taking them out of the nest? And, along with that, hit the library for
baby animal/baby bird videos and maybe look for local farms or whatever
that might have baby critters that she can *safely* interact with. If
there are 4H groups in your area, see if you can hook up to check out
the critters - 4H fairs for instance, you can go 'visit' the critters
without raising them yourself (though if there is a 4H group that has
something for the appropriate age group, might be worth checking into -
some of the 4H groups around us have a "junior" group for kids in the 5
to 9 yr old age range - the Cloverbuds).
-=-=-=-
And here in Columbia, we have a Wildlife rehab center. They desperately
need volunteers, supplies, and money. If she'd be willing to do some
"dirty work," they might allow her to hold and feed one of the chicks
they're rehabbing. They would *certainly* also explain why that's not a
good idea.
All that said, I don't know that it's a guarantee that the parents
would abandon the babes if touched. That may be a wives' tale...or
maybe breed-specific. I have gently scooped up naked house finch chicks
which have fallen out of the nest on a stormy/windy night and placed
the nest back in its spot while the parents screeched at me. We watched
them care for the chicks to fledglings and watched the babies fly off.
We also had a nest of wrens on our porch two summers ago. When fledging
(so fuzzy and round!), they were stuck on the porch and couldn't take
off with the high wall (no way out), so I picked each of them up and
let Duncan hold them; and we helped them get off the porch (Dangerous
spot, that! With two cats!). They "flew" to the oleander bush and hid
for a bit/got stronger until they were ready to take off. VERY
exciting.
We've also gotten to hold hummingbirds---now THAT's an experience! Back
before Ryan, the guide dog, ripped all the screens off the back porch,
hummers would fly in through the open door and get trapped. Sometimes
their tiny beaks would get stuck in the screen. I'd scoop them up,
bring them in to show the boys, and release them. Getting that close to
hummingbirds was something!
~Kelly, avid birder and protector of my winged friends here
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
Robin
Emilie Rugard wrote:
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnight!
Robin
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> Why not get her chicks to hatch from eggs. You can rent an incubatorI tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
> and return some or all of them to the farm when they get big through
> their education programme. They do this in school. You can do it at home.
>
> Emilie
>
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnight!
Robin
--
Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
http://www.jointhesolution.com/livinggaia
Deb Lewis
***Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?***
Don't take a bird from the wild. It's illegal with few exceptions and it's *awful.*
Unschooling doesn't mean do whatever a child wants at the expense of others. Tell her why it would be wrong to take the bird from its natural home and its mother. How old is she?
You could go see the bird family every couple days to watch their progress from a distance. Get a good scope or field glasses. You could look on the internet for baby bird pictures. You might find books with pictures of baby birds or maybe you could print some baby bird pictures from the web. Go for walks with her and see how many birds you spot. Watch movies with or about birds. See if you can locate a pigeon club near you and arrange to visit one or some of the members. If she's little, pretend she's your baby bird and feed her pretend bugs and worms. Get cd's of bird songs and let her listen to those - either the kind where birdsong is incorporated into some soothing music or the kind for bird identification. Depending where you live your game board might have a program for folks to hatch and release wild game birds. You might have some moral objection to those kinds of programs, I'm just offering ideas.
***Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?***
Find out what's fascinating about baby birds and give her lots of bird experience that doesn't involve violating the law or causing harm to others.
Deb suggested a video camera and that might fall under disturbing an active nest according to the IMBTA. Even if it's not illegal, a mother bird who's nest is too frequently interfered with might abandon her nest and nestlings and start over in a safer place. I don't know how long it would take to set up a camera, how close it would have to be, how much maintenance the camera would need, how frequently the lens would have to be cleaned, etc and that might be more interference, stress and nest disruption than a bird could take. Birds don't know our intent. Their experience is that an animal frequently visiting the area close to their nest is a threat.
Deb Lewis
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Don't take a bird from the wild. It's illegal with few exceptions and it's *awful.*
Unschooling doesn't mean do whatever a child wants at the expense of others. Tell her why it would be wrong to take the bird from its natural home and its mother. How old is she?
You could go see the bird family every couple days to watch their progress from a distance. Get a good scope or field glasses. You could look on the internet for baby bird pictures. You might find books with pictures of baby birds or maybe you could print some baby bird pictures from the web. Go for walks with her and see how many birds you spot. Watch movies with or about birds. See if you can locate a pigeon club near you and arrange to visit one or some of the members. If she's little, pretend she's your baby bird and feed her pretend bugs and worms. Get cd's of bird songs and let her listen to those - either the kind where birdsong is incorporated into some soothing music or the kind for bird identification. Depending where you live your game board might have a program for folks to hatch and release wild game birds. You might have some moral objection to those kinds of programs, I'm just offering ideas.
***Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?***
Find out what's fascinating about baby birds and give her lots of bird experience that doesn't involve violating the law or causing harm to others.
Deb suggested a video camera and that might fall under disturbing an active nest according to the IMBTA. Even if it's not illegal, a mother bird who's nest is too frequently interfered with might abandon her nest and nestlings and start over in a safer place. I don't know how long it would take to set up a camera, how close it would have to be, how much maintenance the camera would need, how frequently the lens would have to be cleaned, etc and that might be more interference, stress and nest disruption than a bird could take. Birds don't know our intent. Their experience is that an animal frequently visiting the area close to their nest is a threat.
Deb Lewis
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Shannon
I know how you feel - well sort of - currently my three year wants a pet
slug.
How about a baby chicken, duck. goose, etc? It is a baby bird that is fairly
inexpensive that can be raised by humans. Jane Goodall is also a good role
model for young naturalist. She is most famous for living with chimpanzees
but throughout her childhood she watched animals she could see in her local
environment such as sitting for hours watching a chicken hatch.
Jane has helped my children understand that babies are best taken care of by
their parents and that as little scientist the best skill is the ability to
sit quietly and observe.
Hope that helps.
Shannon
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I'm just starting unschooling--I'm heavily into de-schooling myself
(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
http://www.jointhes <http://www.jointhesolution.com/livinggaia>
olution.com/livinggaia
To find out how to rent a solar system and lock in your utility rates
for up to 25 years.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
slug.
How about a baby chicken, duck. goose, etc? It is a baby bird that is fairly
inexpensive that can be raised by humans. Jane Goodall is also a good role
model for young naturalist. She is most famous for living with chimpanzees
but throughout her childhood she watched animals she could see in her local
environment such as sitting for hours watching a chicken hatch.
Jane has helped my children understand that babies are best taken care of by
their parents and that as little scientist the best skill is the ability to
sit quietly and observe.
Hope that helps.
Shannon
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I'm just starting unschooling--I'm heavily into de-schooling myself
(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Look for a bird breeder. Also there are places on line with cameras that show birds nests ( sorry I don;t have those links anymore).
As much as we try to say yes to our kids when a yes is going to get another critter killed than you need to find alternatives to fullfill your child's needs and explain to your dd why it you can't do exactly what she asks.
That is where we parents need to be creative and partner with our kids to find solutions that will be sensible to the parts involved.
Find alternatives that honor your daughter and the life of these little birds.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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As much as we try to say yes to our kids when a yes is going to get another critter killed than you need to find alternatives to fullfill your child's needs and explain to your dd why it you can't do exactly what she asks.
That is where we parents need to be creative and partner with our kids to find solutions that will be sensible to the parts involved.
Find alternatives that honor your daughter and the life of these little birds.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
k
Deb suggested a video camera and that might fall under disturbing an active
nest according to the IMBTA. Even if it's not illegal, a mother bird who's
nest is too frequently interfered with might abandon her nest and nestlings
and start over in a safer place. I don't know how long it would take to set
up a camera, how close it would have to be, how much maintenance the camera
would need, how frequently the lens would have to be cleaned, etc and that
might be more interference, stress and nest disruption than a bird could
take. Birds don't know our intent. Their experience is that an animal
frequently visiting the area close to their nest is a threat.
Well there is such a thing as using the zoom feature to avoid as much
disturbance as possible. AND the further from the nest the less likelihood
of the camera getting knocked off focus or even knocked to the ground.
I haven't done birding much or filming them. Have always been fascinated by
them though and this thread is piquing my interest.
~Katherine
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nest according to the IMBTA. Even if it's not illegal, a mother bird who's
nest is too frequently interfered with might abandon her nest and nestlings
and start over in a safer place. I don't know how long it would take to set
up a camera, how close it would have to be, how much maintenance the camera
would need, how frequently the lens would have to be cleaned, etc and that
might be more interference, stress and nest disruption than a bird could
take. Birds don't know our intent. Their experience is that an animal
frequently visiting the area close to their nest is a threat.
Well there is such a thing as using the zoom feature to avoid as much
disturbance as possible. AND the further from the nest the less likelihood
of the camera getting knocked off focus or even knocked to the ground.
I haven't done birding much or filming them. Have always been fascinated by
them though and this thread is piquing my interest.
~Katherine
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Robin
Deb Lewis wrote:
wasn't keen on waiting for the cuddling, but we got the eggs a few days
ago and she has been basically carrying them around with her ever since.
(It's pretty hot where we live right now, and we're housesitting where
there's no real air conditioning, so they don't need a heat lamp. But at
the same time, we can't really leave them in a hot car either!). The got
a little chilled this morning (hotel air conditioning) so we warmed them
up with our hands/warm skin. I hope that wasn't the end of them! We're
learning about incubating eggs.
BTW she's just turning 9 (tomorrow, in fact) but is a very determined
and willful girl (she knows what she wants and she wants it now!). We're
just starting de-schooling and making up for the ways I and others have
squashed/sat on that willfulness in the past. I am so happy to finally
find a way of being in the world (and people to talk to who support it!)
where her determination and creativity and strong will are an asset to
encourage rather than a "character fault" that gets her in trouble (as
it did when she was schooled).
Now I just need the energy to keep up with her ;) I am very encouraged
by this experience. I felt desperate but when I took the advice on this
list and tried to find out what she wanted out of the experience
alternatives popped out. Sooo much easier than trying to fight her
will/determination! So now we have these cool eggs to try to hatch. And
if that doesn't work, there are other ways to help her find that soft,
cuddly, downy chick experience. And I have the experience of other ways
of dealing with her determination that is much more fun for both of us.
Thanks!
Robin
--
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> Find out what's fascinating about baby birds and give her lots of bird experience that doesn't involve violating the law or causing harm to others.Turns out what she wanted was to hold the fuzzy, cuddly chicks. She
>
>
wasn't keen on waiting for the cuddling, but we got the eggs a few days
ago and she has been basically carrying them around with her ever since.
(It's pretty hot where we live right now, and we're housesitting where
there's no real air conditioning, so they don't need a heat lamp. But at
the same time, we can't really leave them in a hot car either!). The got
a little chilled this morning (hotel air conditioning) so we warmed them
up with our hands/warm skin. I hope that wasn't the end of them! We're
learning about incubating eggs.
BTW she's just turning 9 (tomorrow, in fact) but is a very determined
and willful girl (she knows what she wants and she wants it now!). We're
just starting de-schooling and making up for the ways I and others have
squashed/sat on that willfulness in the past. I am so happy to finally
find a way of being in the world (and people to talk to who support it!)
where her determination and creativity and strong will are an asset to
encourage rather than a "character fault" that gets her in trouble (as
it did when she was schooled).
Now I just need the energy to keep up with her ;) I am very encouraged
by this experience. I felt desperate but when I took the advice on this
list and tried to find out what she wanted out of the experience
alternatives popped out. Sooo much easier than trying to fight her
will/determination! So now we have these cool eggs to try to hatch. And
if that doesn't work, there are other ways to help her find that soft,
cuddly, downy chick experience. And I have the experience of other ways
of dealing with her determination that is much more fun for both of us.
Thanks!
Robin
--
Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
http://www.jointhesolution.com/livinggaia
Mara
----- Original Message ----
From: Shannon <dragteine76@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:47:52 AM
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I know how you feel - well sort of - currently my three year wants a pet
slug.
How about a baby chicken, duck. goose, etc? It is a baby bird that is fairly
inexpensive that can be raised by humans. Jane Goodall is also a good role
model for young naturalist. She is most famous for living with chimpanzees
but throughout her childhood she watched animals she could see in her local
environment such as sitting for hours watching a chicken hatch.
Jane has helped my children understand that babies are best taken care of by
their parents and that as little scientist the best skill is the ability to
sit quietly and observe.
Hope that helps.
Shannon
_____
From: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:07 PM
To: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I'm just starting unschooling- -I'm heavily into de-schooling myself
(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
http://www.jointhes <http://www.jointhes olution.com/ livinggaia>
olution.com/ livinggaia
To find out how to rent a solar system and lock in your utility rates
for up to 25 years.
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From: Shannon <dragteine76@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:47:52 AM
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I know how you feel - well sort of - currently my three year wants a pet
slug.
How about a baby chicken, duck. goose, etc? It is a baby bird that is fairly
inexpensive that can be raised by humans. Jane Goodall is also a good role
model for young naturalist. She is most famous for living with chimpanzees
but throughout her childhood she watched animals she could see in her local
environment such as sitting for hours watching a chicken hatch.
Jane has helped my children understand that babies are best taken care of by
their parents and that as little scientist the best skill is the ability to
sit quietly and observe.
Hope that helps.
Shannon
_____
From: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:07 PM
To: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I'm just starting unschooling- -I'm heavily into de-schooling myself
(it's a process! but I see myself making progress every day).
Here's my uncertianty:
My youngest girl is very interested in nature right now and baby
creatures of all kinds are, of course, fascinating. She found a nest
today with baby birds in it and wants me to take it down so she can hold
a baby bird.
I told her that this will probably kill the baby bird and that they are
very difficult to keep alive. She asked what they eat and I said "worms"
(we live in the desert--they actually eat all kinds of desert insects
and larva, I'd guess). Well, a few weeks back we brought some night
crawlers home (fishing bait) to see if the lizard would eat them (nope!)
and she adopted them as her pets. I've kept them in a large planter and
am feeding them kitchen scraps. Soooo. We have baby bird food (in her
mind). She doesn't even mind feeding one "pet" to another.
I don't want to say "no." She really wants this. But I also don't think
I will be able to keep the baby bird alive. And just disturbing the nest
will probably mean the parent birds will abandon it (that's what I've
always been told anyway). I might be willing to let her experience the
slow death of a baby bird, but I just can't bring myself to participate
in its cause. I feel a strong moral compulsion to not harm the birds.
I have offered to get her a bird from the pet store or to get her baby
animals from the pet store, but she is fixated on having a baby bird.
She has held baby chicks from a friend's flock.
Any suggestions for how I can say "yes" without violating a deep conviction?
I told her that I would think about it for a day and we'd talk again
tomorrow morning if she still wanted the baby birds. Help!
Thanks,
Robin
Think you can't afford solar--Think Again! check out:
http://www.jointhes <http://www.jointhes olution.com/ livinggaia>
olution.com/ livinggaia
To find out how to rent a solar system and lock in your utility rates
for up to 25 years.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
natalijoi
My ten year old, Solstice, is very into animals, especially animal
rescue. Besides safety procedures,'first do no harm' is number one. We
rescued a flying squirrel that was amazing, like a square of fuzz with
huge eyes! Had a possum in our garage all winter, and have come across
mice the cat caught, and once a bat in the bedroom!
My sister and her husband recently lived with us for 3 months, and
during that time Solly got to interact with his 3 year old cousin, and
their 9 year old dog, 8 year old cat, and two rats. One of the rats,
named fuzzy wuzzy is a hairless blue dumbo rat. That has been
excellent for his animal exploration, and so have Blue Planet videos.
Wild life videos of all kinds are good.
Happy animal adventures!
-Natalie
rescue. Besides safety procedures,'first do no harm' is number one. We
rescued a flying squirrel that was amazing, like a square of fuzz with
huge eyes! Had a possum in our garage all winter, and have come across
mice the cat caught, and once a bat in the bedroom!
My sister and her husband recently lived with us for 3 months, and
during that time Solly got to interact with his 3 year old cousin, and
their 9 year old dog, 8 year old cat, and two rats. One of the rats,
named fuzzy wuzzy is a hairless blue dumbo rat. That has been
excellent for his animal exploration, and so have Blue Planet videos.
Wild life videos of all kinds are good.
Happy animal adventures!
-Natalie
Shannon
I am so glad the duck/chick idea is going to work out for you. I personally
have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have raised
wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums, squirrels,
ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit crabs -
after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the garden.
However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone have
any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
you have to be 18+.
Shannon
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. <http://polykow.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/>
yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have raised
wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums, squirrels,
ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit crabs -
after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the garden.
However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone have
any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
you have to be 18+.
Shannon
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. <http://polykow.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/>
yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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Mara
About bats - you can put up bat houses in your yard, just google bat houses and a lot comes up. Our Zoo (Boston) has fruit bats to observe really close. But even if you have a bat house you won't be able to hold them. They are quite wild -
Might be fun to build one though -
Mara
----- Original Message ----
From: Shannon <dragteine76@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:00:44 PM
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I am so glad the duck/chick idea is going to work out for you. I personally
have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have raised
wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums, squirrels,
ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit crabs -
after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the garden.
However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone have
any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
you have to be 18+.
Shannon
_____
From: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
To: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=
Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. <http://polykow. blogspot. com/> blogspot.com/
http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/unschoolin gmn/>
yahoo.com/group/ unschoolingmn/
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Might be fun to build one though -
Mara
----- Original Message ----
From: Shannon <dragteine76@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:00:44 PM
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I am so glad the duck/chick idea is going to work out for you. I personally
have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have raised
wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums, squirrels,
ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit crabs -
after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the garden.
However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone have
any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
you have to be 18+.
Shannon
_____
From: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
To: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=
Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. <http://polykow. blogspot. com/> blogspot.com/
http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/unschoolin gmn/>
yahoo.com/group/ unschoolingmn/
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k
Call and ask the rescue center if he can visit.
~Katherine
~Katherine
On 7/22/08, Shannon <dragteine76@...> wrote:
>
> I am so glad the duck/chick idea is going to work out for you. I
> personally
> have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have raised
> wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums, squirrels,
> ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
>
> This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit crabs -
> after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the garden.
> However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone have
> any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
> have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
> you have to be 18+.
>
> Shannon
>
> _____
>
> From: [email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
> To: [email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
>
> tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
> incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
> this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
> have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
>
> Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
> life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
> options" overnigh
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Great! That is a great solution!!!!
> I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
> Have fun!
> I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
>
> Alex Polikowsky
> http://polykow. <http://polykow.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/>
> yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
>
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Beth Fleming
Our local Audubon Society did a bat program at the library some years ago where the handler went around to the kids in the crowd so that they could see up close and touch. I'm not sure who the bat person is at the Audubon, but I'm sure there is one....oh, and they regularly have bat walks at twilight at the sanctuary. http://www.massaudubon.org
HTH,
Beth in Ma
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From: Shannon <dragteine76@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:00:44 PM
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
I am so glad the duck/chick idea is going to work out for you. I personally
have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have raised
wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums, squirrels,
ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit crabs -
after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the garden.
However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone have
any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
you have to be 18+.
Shannon
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From: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
To: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but from
this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and might
have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
options" overnigh
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Great! That is a great solution!!!!
I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
Have fun!
I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. <http://polykow. blogspot. com/> blogspot.com/
http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/unschoolin gmn/>
yahoo.com/group/ unschoolingmn/
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hbmccarty
We went to something like this that the 4-H put on-
Heather
Beth Fleming wrote:
Heather
Beth Fleming wrote:
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> Our local Audubon Society did a bat program at the library some years
> ago where the handler went around to the kids in the crowd so that
> they could see up close and touch. I'm not sure who the bat person is
> at the Audubon, but I'm sure there is one....oh, and they regularly
> have bat walks at twilight at the sanctuary.
> http://www.massaudubon.org <http://www.massaudubon.org>
> HTH,
> Beth in Ma
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Robin
Shannon wrote:
vivarium or exotic pet store in a major city might carry them if anyone
buys them. The pet shop might let him handle them if you explain that he
might be interested in buying one as a pet.
Robin
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>Also check on line to see if anyone raises them as exotic pets. A
> any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats - we
> have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers say
> you have to be 18+.
>
vivarium or exotic pet store in a major city might carry them if anyone
buys them. The pet shop might let him handle them if you explain that he
might be interested in buying one as a pet.
Robin
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Kimberlee
Have you had a look at your local public library? Is there a
university or college library anywhere near that might lend some
materials. How old is your son? Canadian author Kenneth Oppel has a
great fiction series for kids, have a look at www.silverwing.ca. Where
do you live? If you're anywhere near Austin Texas, I've read that the
bats coming out from under the Congress Avenue Bridge on summer nights
is quite spectacular. According to the website, Bat Conservation
International, wwwbatcon.org, these bats form the "world's largest
urban bat colony". This organization has a newsletter and their
website has lots of data and pics. Also, your son could join BCI and
learn more that way as well as helping the bats! Maybe he'll become a
bat biologist, I see from the BCI site they're looking for one in
Texas. Here is a quote from their website:
"You can help save bats, too! Become a member of BCI to help support
our worldwide effort to protect bats and bat habitat. You�ll receive a
free gift for joining and a subscription to BATS magazine. Or, simply
make a general donation � your generous gift goes a long way towards
reversing the plight of these remarkable and vulnerable animals".
Good Luck
Kimberlee
university or college library anywhere near that might lend some
materials. How old is your son? Canadian author Kenneth Oppel has a
great fiction series for kids, have a look at www.silverwing.ca. Where
do you live? If you're anywhere near Austin Texas, I've read that the
bats coming out from under the Congress Avenue Bridge on summer nights
is quite spectacular. According to the website, Bat Conservation
International, wwwbatcon.org, these bats form the "world's largest
urban bat colony". This organization has a newsletter and their
website has lots of data and pics. Also, your son could join BCI and
learn more that way as well as helping the bats! Maybe he'll become a
bat biologist, I see from the BCI site they're looking for one in
Texas. Here is a quote from their website:
"You can help save bats, too! Become a member of BCI to help support
our worldwide effort to protect bats and bat habitat. You�ll receive a
free gift for joining and a subscription to BATS magazine. Or, simply
make a general donation � your generous gift goes a long way towards
reversing the plight of these remarkable and vulnerable animals".
Good Luck
Kimberlee
On 22-Jul-08, at 10:00 PM, Shannon wrote:
> I am so glad the duck/chick idea is going to work out for you. I
> personally
> have been the child that brought home every animal I could. I have
> raised
> wild birds (rescued never stolen), frogs, turtles, opossums,
> squirrels,
> ducks, orphaned puppies. oh and a goose.
>
> This has been revised on me. My son is easy - he wants some hermit
> crabs -
> after much research my daughter has two pet slugs rescued from the
> garden.
> However since everyone has been so helpful about birds - does anyone
> have
> any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about
> bats - we
> have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue
> centers say
> you have to be 18+.
>
> Shannon
>
> _____
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BRIAN
> POLIKOWSKY
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help! I need suggestions
>
> tried this suggestion and it worked! She is not real happy about the
> incubation period (28 days for the duck eggs a friend gave us) but
> from
> this discussion we remembered another friend who has chickens and
> might
> have live chicks. I will call her as soon as I can.
>
> Thanks so much everyone who responded. Once again this list is a
> life-saver. I went from tearing my hair out to, "oh, there's lots of
> options" overnigh
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Great! That is a great solution!!!!
> I should have read the rest of the thread before responding to iT<g>
> Have fun!
> I LOOOVE chickens and chicks!
>
> Alex Polikowsky
> http://polykow. <http://polykow.blogspot.com/> blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/>
> yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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Faith Void
at our nature center they have taxidermied bats. We went to an hour long
program about them, dd loved it. She got to touch several varieties of bats
that are local to our area.
Faith
program about them, dd loved it. She got to touch several varieties of bats
that are local to our area.
Faith
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Robin <GaiaAlive@...> wrote:
> Shannon wrote:
> >
> > any ideas about bats? My son wants to see, hold. learn more about bats -
> we
> > have read every book we can find but videos are slim and rescue centers
> say
> > you have to be 18+.
> >
>
> Also check on line to see if anyone raises them as exotic pets. A
> vivarium or exotic pet store in a major city might carry them if anyone
> buys them. The pet shop might let him handle them if you explain that he
> might be interested in buying one as a pet.
>
> Robin
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