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-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Krest <rlkrest@...>

I am now going to step into the veg thing below. I have been a
vegetarian since
1993. I am modeling the vegetarian life and choices for my son. I do
not and
will not cook meat in my house, it is against my principles; my son and
DH
sometimes choose to eat meat when we are elsewhere. Why shouldn't I
model my
personal beliefs to my son?

-=-=-=-

You *should*. But you shouldn't impose your beliefs ON him.

He's only 4.5. How well can he cook fried chicken if that's what he
wants? It's up to *you*, his mom, to provide that *for* him, if that's
what he wants and needs, even if it's not for *you*.

What if your mother had forced you to eat meat---or worse---*tricked*
you into eating it---because she believed that eating meat was
important in your diet. How would that have made you feel?

My older son is frequently a vegetarian (he's probably eating meat
right now because he's in the wilds of the Yukon, and it's a
survivalist's program: out in the wild, you eat what you can get!). I
make every effort to keep his meals vegie. What if I said, "You can eat
vegetarian when you're out elsewhere, but *here* we eat meat!"?

He's not you. Treat him as he would like to be treated.

-=-=-=-=-

Why shouldn't I help him make the decision himself
by explaining why I do not eat meat and do not have it in the house
(and at 4.5
he can explain where meat comes from, so he has the connection between
real live
animal and meat on the plate) but that he is quite free to eat it
elsewhere?

-=-=-=-=-=-

He's not getting to make *any* decision. You're making it *for* him! By
not fixing it---or at least having it available, like the rotisserie
chicken, or sliced meats or whatever. He gets NO say in this process.

-=-=-=-=-

The no meat in the house was something my husband and I decided in
early 1994.

-=-=-=-=-

Fine, but now you have a child who wants meat. So maybe there needs to
be a "new" decision for 2008.

-=-=-=-=-

Were it a religious reason for abstaining from meat, would the
situation be
different?

-==-==-=-

I think so, but I'm not religious. I have plenty of Jewish friends who
love a good pork chop.

-=-=-=-=-=-

The children you mention do eat meat, just not from mom.

-=-=-=-=-

Who? Did I miss certain children?

-=-=-=-=-

To be a true unschooler, does one have to do things that are against
one's
principles or religious beliefs if the child requests it?

-=-=-=-=-

I think so. They aren't the child's principles or beliefs, are they?
Why can't the child choose? Why are his beliefs and principles less
valid or important? Because you, the parent, have all the power?

~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org

Therese

> He's only 4.5. How well can he cook fried chicken if that's what he
> wants? It's up to *you*, his mom, to provide that *for* him, if
that's what he wants and needs, even if it's not for *you*.

He probably doesn't even know to ask for fried chicken cooked at home-
he is raised veg! The only fried chicken he would know would be what
he has experienced before- which was prob NOT made and NOT eaten at
home. His needs and wants come from what limited amout of exposure
he has already had. If he *needs and wants* chicken, he probably
means he wants the same *experience* he had before, which may just be
driving thru Mickey-D's for nuggets.

> What if your mother had forced you to eat meat---or worse---
*tricked* you into eating it---because she believed that eating meat
was important in your diet. How would that have made you feel?>>>

Her experience as an adult who has already explored her options and
made a decision is different from her child's- who has been raised
veg. He hasn't formed his own beliefs yet to this point. He is not
a teenager, he is 4. She is not 'tricking' her child- she is simply
cooking what her family is used to eating.

>>I make every effort to keep his meals vegie. What if I said, "You
can eat vegetarian when you're out elsewhere, but *here* we eat
meat!"?

Why not say that, and take him out to eat? If your belief is to only
eat meat, and he was raised with an all meat diet (which I'm sure you
don't eat ONLY meat) then why would he expect any different?

> He's not getting to make *any* decision. You're making it *for*
him! By not fixing it---or at least having it available, like the
rotisserie chicken, or sliced meats or whatever. He gets NO say in
this process.>>

How do you know that she doesn't make it *available* to him? Why do
you think he gets no say? Maybe he does. Maybe she just doesnt cook
it?

-=-=-=-=-
>> The no meat in the house was something my husband and I decided in
> early 1994.>
-=-=-=-=-
>> Fine, but now you have a child who wants meat. So maybe there
needs to be a "new" decision for 2008.>>

How do you know he wants meat? Moreso wants it at home? She said he
eats meat 'elsewhere'.. why not let him keep eating eat 'elsewhere'
if thats what he is used to?

>> The children you mention do eat meat, just not from mom.
> =-=-=-=-
>> Who? Did I miss certain children?>>>

She was talking about my children and the TV post. My children eat
meat sometimes when we are out or if daddy brings it home. Their
experiences with meat are what they want. When they say they want
chicken, they mean they want daddy to bring it home, because they
don't know any different. I don't have to cook it. And most of the
time, they dont ask me for meat- they say, mommy im hungry. I give
them choices and they choose. They don't ask me to make sheep
eyeballs at home just because they had it once at a restaurant. And
they wouldn't expect me to make it every night. Its just *not done*
in our house.

>> To be a true unschooler, does one have to do things that are
against one's principles or religious beliefs if the child requests
it?>
-=-=-=-=-
>>>>I think so. They aren't the child's principles or beliefs, are
they? Why can't the child choose? Why are his beliefs and principles
less valid or important? Because you, the parent, have all the power?
>>

His principles and beliefs are directly related to his experiences
and his feelings about them. He is choosing based what he knows so
far. In the future he may have more experiences. She never said HIS
feelings were less important. It sounds to me like she is honoring
his likes/dislikes, wants/needs very well to this point and at his
age.

My child LOVES to paint. I don't allow her to paint my walls. If
she wants to paint, I let her do it outside. She doesn't know any
other way to paint than to do it outside and wouldn't EXPECT me to
let her paint inside because its just not *what we do*. Aren't I
still allowing her to do what she loves and wants to do?

Don't my personal boundries count as well?

(LOL- I am sure you are going to say that I should allow them to
paint my walls... in which I will just sigh and hit delete)

Therese

Ren Allen

~~The no meat in the house was something my husband and I decided in
> early 1994.>~~

The child got no part of this decision making process. The child may
or may not want to eat meat,but the underlying idea here is that the
parents choices trump anything the child might want/need. Cooking meat
at home from a source you trust and know is much healthier anyway!!

I have four children who were raised eating vegetarian meals. I've got
a 50/50 split at the moment with two who do NOT want any animal
squeezin's in their food (including gelatin...do you know how many
store yogurts contain gelatin??) other than eggs and dairy.

Two eat meat (though the oldest has moved out and lives with a
meat-eating family now) and my dh occasionally eats meat. I don't
believe I have some right to my views/ideas being superior and
dictating what others in the house choose...whether they be children
or adults. We have a large bag of frozen chicken in the freezer, I buy
deli meat too.

If the meat really, deeply bothers you to cook then there are other
solutions than making your family leave the house to get what they
really want!! The whole point is to approach the situation with an
open mind and non-judgement so that creative solutions can be found.
When someone has decided "this is how it will be" it really closes the
doors to problem-solving.

We believe everyone in the house has a right to choose. Parents don't
trump kids.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

swissarmy_wife

--- In [email protected], "Therese"
<theresefranklin@...> wrote:

> My child LOVES to paint. I don't allow her to paint my walls. If
> she wants to paint, I let her do it outside. She doesn't know any
> other way to paint than to do it outside and wouldn't EXPECT me to
> let her paint inside because its just not *what we do*. Aren't I
> still allowing her to do what she loves and wants to do?

When my kids wanted to paint the walls, we compromised. We found a
large section of wall that they could paint, draw, color on.

> Don't my personal boundries count as well?

Yeah. But it's your FAMILIES house. Not YOURS only.

> (LOL- I am sure you are going to say that I should allow them to
> paint my walls... in which I will just sigh and hit delete)

Well that's unfortunate. How about letting them paint THEIR walls or
sharing one of YOUR walls for art. There are compromises to lots of
situations. Just because I like bright colors and nice neat painting
doesn't mean my children have the same taste. They live here too. I
can help them find a way to decorate the walls if they want.

Faith Void

If they don't know it is because you haven't brought it up. I talk
about as many possibilities as we can come up with. I try to make my
kids world as big as possible. I don't want to keep it small and only
give them information that *I* want them to have.
Faith

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Therese <theresefranklin@...> wrote:
>> He's only 4.5. How well can he cook fried chicken if that's what he
>> wants? It's up to *you*, his mom, to provide that *for* him, if
> that's what he wants and needs, even if it's not for *you*.
>
> He probably doesn't even know to ask for fried chicken cooked at home-
> he is raised veg! The only fried chicken he would know would be what
> he has experienced before- which was prob NOT made and NOT eaten at
> home. His needs and wants come from what limited amout of exposure
> he has already had. If he *needs and wants* chicken, he probably
> means he wants the same *experience* he had before, which may just be
> driving thru Mickey-D's for nuggets.
>
>> What if your mother had forced you to eat meat---or worse---
> *tricked* you into eating it---because she believed that eating meat
> was important in your diet. How would that have made you feel?>>>
>
> Her experience as an adult who has already explored her options and
> made a decision is different from her child's- who has been raised
> veg. He hasn't formed his own beliefs yet to this point. He is not
> a teenager, he is 4. She is not 'tricking' her child- she is simply
> cooking what her family is used to eating.
>
>>>I make every effort to keep his meals vegie. What if I said, "You
> can eat vegetarian when you're out elsewhere, but *here* we eat
> meat!"?
>
> Why not say that, and take him out to eat? If your belief is to only
> eat meat, and he was raised with an all meat diet (which I'm sure you
> don't eat ONLY meat) then why would he expect any different?
>
>> He's not getting to make *any* decision. You're making it *for*
> him! By not fixing it---or at least having it available, like the
> rotisserie chicken, or sliced meats or whatever. He gets NO say in
> this process.>>
>
> How do you know that she doesn't make it *available* to him? Why do
> you think he gets no say? Maybe he does. Maybe she just doesnt cook
> it?
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>>> The no meat in the house was something my husband and I decided in
>> early 1994.>
> -=-=-=-=-
>>> Fine, but now you have a child who wants meat. So maybe there
> needs to be a "new" decision for 2008.>>
>
> How do you know he wants meat? Moreso wants it at home? She said he
> eats meat 'elsewhere'.. why not let him keep eating eat 'elsewhere'
> if thats what he is used to?
>
>>> The children you mention do eat meat, just not from mom.
>> =-=-=-=-
>>> Who? Did I miss certain children?>>>
>
> She was talking about my children and the TV post. My children eat
> meat sometimes when we are out or if daddy brings it home. Their
> experiences with meat are what they want. When they say they want
> chicken, they mean they want daddy to bring it home, because they
> don't know any different. I don't have to cook it. And most of the
> time, they dont ask me for meat- they say, mommy im hungry. I give
> them choices and they choose. They don't ask me to make sheep
> eyeballs at home just because they had it once at a restaurant. And
> they wouldn't expect me to make it every night. Its just *not done*
> in our house.
>
>>> To be a true unschooler, does one have to do things that are
> against one's principles or religious beliefs if the child requests
> it?>
> -=-=-=-=-
>>>>>I think so. They aren't the child's principles or beliefs, are
> they? Why can't the child choose? Why are his beliefs and principles
> less valid or important? Because you, the parent, have all the power?
>>>
>
> His principles and beliefs are directly related to his experiences
> and his feelings about them. He is choosing based what he knows so
> far. In the future he may have more experiences. She never said HIS
> feelings were less important. It sounds to me like she is honoring
> his likes/dislikes, wants/needs very well to this point and at his
> age.
>
> My child LOVES to paint. I don't allow her to paint my walls. If
> she wants to paint, I let her do it outside. She doesn't know any
> other way to paint than to do it outside and wouldn't EXPECT me to
> let her paint inside because its just not *what we do*. Aren't I
> still allowing her to do what she loves and wants to do?
>
> Don't my personal boundries count as well?
>
> (LOL- I am sure you are going to say that I should allow them to
> paint my walls... in which I will just sigh and hit delete)
>
> Therese
>
>



--
www.bearthmama.com

Ren Allen

~~-=-=-What message is that giving to your daughter? How will she feel
about chickens when she finds out the truth??-=-=-~~


Find out WHAT about chickens? Is there some universal "truth" about
them I am missing out on? Because not all chickens are raised in
factory farms as much as PETA tries to focus on only that method.

I have homesteading friends that raise their own meat. In fact, one
friend butchers the chickens so mindfully and carefully that they are
completely calm as they die. No adrenaline released into the meat that
way.

Everything dies. We're all just walking meat. Nature is not nearly so
hung up on HOW a thing is killed or how it lives before dying. I just
watched wolves eat a deer last month and they really weren't concerned
about how the deer felt.;)

Humans tend to make a big deal about things dying for their food,but
even if you don't choose to eat meat,your food has a price. Things die
so you can live. Animals die for that veggie meal you have on your
plate. It pays not to get too high and mighty about food choices.

"All food has a face"

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/25/2008 9:24:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
theresefranklin@... writes:

LOL- I am sure you are going to say that I should allow them to
paint my walls... in which I will just sigh and hit delete)



____

I'm smiling just remembering how much fun we had visiting Kelly's house
quite some time ago and painting the walls of the music room with our own art or
quotations. The room looks awesome and I would love a room that my kids and
friends had painted.

I've been following this whole thread and remembering our lives before
unschooling when I used to say things like..."We just don't.............(fill in
the blank) ----watch more than one hour of TV a day, allow guns in the ho
use or even watch things with any violence, eat at McDonalds! Really, I said
and believed all those things.

I look at the close relationships I have with my kids who are now 15 and 18
and I know it would not have been possible if I had continued to control and
micro manage them with all my "We just don'ts"

They are so thoughtful and make such good decisions because they have been
trusted to decide what they eat, when they sleep, what they paint on the walls,
what they watch on TV and how they choose to spend their time. They learned
to make their own decisions through seeing choices their parents made,
ongoing discussions, and trial and error. I have changed my vocabulary to not
include the phrase.. "We just don't..." simply because it limits possibilities
that might be amazing.

I would hate to think I had missed those hours watching "Friends, That 70's
Show and Family Guy with them because it was more than an hour a day. And
the amazing potato guns that we made that shoot potatoes half way across the
river. And Pulp Fiction....we would have missed that too. And those late
night runs to get chocolate shakes just because I didn't like McDonalds...would
have missed all that. So many memories that we share that make up the
kaleidoscope of our lives are just because I got rid of "We don't do that in our
family and replaced it with...."Why Not?" And "Yes, let's find a way to make
that happen."

Just that simple thing made their lives so much bigger and all our lives so
much richer.

I certainly would have thought it someone was crazy 7 years ago if someone
had said "Why not let your child paint on the walls" My journey from "Why
not watch more than one hour of TV a day" to "Why not paint on the walls"
didn't happen overnight . However, I am reminded every day that changing my
vocabulary helped me to change my parenting and the result has been remarkable.

Glad for this thread because it reminded me about Logan wanting to paint on
some walls and thinking we could get the paint today.

Gail

http://gail-hummingbirdhaven.blogspot.com/



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Melissa Gray

Reminds me of Zathura..."Dude! You're meat!"

Melissa
Mom to Joshua, Breanna, Emily, Rachel, Samuel, Daniel and Avari
Wife to Zane

blog me at
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http://startlinglives365.blogspot.com



On Jun 25, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Ren Allen wrote:

> ~~-=-=-What message is that giving to your daughter? How will she feel
> about chickens when she finds out the truth??-=-=-~~
>
> Find out WHAT about chickens? Is there some universal "truth" about
> them I am missing out on? Because not all chickens are raised in
> factory farms as much as PETA tries to focus on only that method.
>
> I have homesteading friends that raise their own meat. In fact, one
> friend butchers the chickens so mindfully and carefully that they are
> completely calm as they die. No adrenaline released into the meat that
> way.
>
> Everything dies. We're all just walking meat. Nature is not nearly so
> hung up on HOW a thing is killed or how it lives before dying. I just
> watched wolves eat a deer last month and they really weren't concerned
> about how the deer felt.;)
>
> Humans tend to make a big deal about things dying for their food,but
> even if you don't choose to eat meat,your food has a price. Things die
> so you can live. Animals die for that veggie meal you have on your
> plate. It pays not to get too high and mighty about food choices.
>
> "All food has a face"
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
>
>



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Kelly Nishan

--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> I've got
> a 50/50 split at the moment with two who do NOT want any animal
> squeezin's in their food (including gelatin...do you know how many
> store yogurts contain gelatin??) other than eggs and dairy.
>
>
Oh crap! Now I have to look at my yogurt when I get home. : ) I just
learned yesterday from my mostly veg girl that there is gelatin in
marshmallows. She decided to ignore it in favor if rice krispie
treats with her cousins but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
for her. She's given up a lot of her favorite candy because of
gelatin. More Skittles for me!
Kelly

Schuyler

I know there are veggie marshmallows, they were on sale in St. Peter Minnesota last time I looked. In the UK, I can't find them. Marshmallows just weren't the staple they are in the U.S. Here's a recipe that I haven't tried but I will since Linnaea loves rice crispy bars but doesn't like the idea of gelatine: http://www.recipezaar.com/78524

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Kelly Nishan <kel9769@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 6:48:09 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: the veg thing


--- In unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com, "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@ ...> wrote:
>
> I've got
> a 50/50 split at the moment with two who do NOT want any animal
> squeezin's in their food (including gelatin...do you know how many
> store yogurts contain gelatin??) other than eggs and dairy.
>
>
Oh crap! Now I have to look at my yogurt when I get home. : ) I just
learned yesterday from my mostly veg girl that there is gelatin in
marshmallows. She decided to ignore it in favor if rice krispie
treats with her cousins but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
for her. She's given up a lot of her favorite candy because of
gelatin. More Skittles for me!
Kelly



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shari bergquist

I disagree if you won't/can't cook meat and your husband can/will then why
would you. Also what about already cooked chicken
or meat already cooked if the little guy wants it that bad. I will admit I
partly don't agree because I am a vegan and I can't cook meat for anyone(it
makes me quite ill). my husband will cook a big batch of chicken or
whatever and the two kids who eat meat 12yrs old and almost 4 years old can
eat it whenever they want. If he wouldn't/couldn't cook it either I would
go to the grocery store and buy it already cooked if they really wanted it.
I think me not doing something because of my beliefs shows my children that
no matter what you CAN stand up for what you believe in and if you feel that
strongly about something than you SHOULD stand up for it. I will not make
them be vegan out of myself and my husband and our three children only one
of the kids is vegan as well (completely her choice) and my husband loves
his meat:) I'm not trying to start any arguments here I was just adding my
two cents like everyone else:) Please feel free to take or leave it.
Peace, Shari

On 6/24/08, kbcdlovejo@... <kbcdlovejo@...> wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Krest <rlkrest@... <rlkrest%40juno.com>>
>
> I am now going to step into the veg thing below. I have been a
> vegetarian since
> 1993. I am modeling the vegetarian life and choices for my son. I do
> not and
> will not cook meat in my house, it is against my principles; my son and
> DH
> sometimes choose to eat meat when we are elsewhere. Why shouldn't I
> model my
> personal beliefs to my son?
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> You *should*. But you shouldn't impose your beliefs ON him.
>
> He's only 4.5. How well can he cook fried chicken if that's what he
> wants? It's up to *you*, his mom, to provide that *for* him, if that's
> what he wants and needs, even if it's not for *you*.
>
> What if your mother had forced you to eat meat---or worse---*tricked*
> you into eating it---because she believed that eating meat was
> important in your diet. How would that have made you feel?
>
> My older son is frequently a vegetarian (he's probably eating meat
> right now because he's in the wilds of the Yukon, and it's a
> survivalist's program: out in the wild, you eat what you can get!). I
> make every effort to keep his meals vegie. What if I said, "You can eat
> vegetarian when you're out elsewhere, but *here* we eat meat!"?
>
> He's not you. Treat him as he would like to be treated.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Why shouldn't I help him make the decision himself
> by explaining why I do not eat meat and do not have it in the house
> (and at 4.5
> he can explain where meat comes from, so he has the connection between
> real live
> animal and meat on the plate) but that he is quite free to eat it
> elsewhere?
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> He's not getting to make *any* decision. You're making it *for* him! By
> not fixing it---or at least having it available, like the rotisserie
> chicken, or sliced meats or whatever. He gets NO say in this process.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> The no meat in the house was something my husband and I decided in
> early 1994.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Fine, but now you have a child who wants meat. So maybe there needs to
> be a "new" decision for 2008.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Were it a religious reason for abstaining from meat, would the
> situation be
> different?
>
> -==-==-=-
>
> I think so, but I'm not religious. I have plenty of Jewish friends who
> love a good pork chop.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> The children you mention do eat meat, just not from mom.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Who? Did I miss certain children?
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> To be a true unschooler, does one have to do things that are against
> one's
> principles or religious beliefs if the child requests it?
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> I think so. They aren't the child's principles or beliefs, are they?
> Why can't the child choose? Why are his beliefs and principles less
> valid or important? Because you, the parent, have all the power?
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
>
>
>



--
Shari Bergquist
Independent Stampin' Up Demonstrator
www.sharibergquist.stampinup.net


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Ren Allen

~~but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
for her. ~~

The marshmallow creme doesn't have gelatin.:)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

swissarmy_wife

Neither does Fluff. Or is that the same thing?

And I don't think you can get Fluff on the west coast unless ordered
via the internet.





--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> ~~but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
> for her. ~~
>
> The marshmallow creme doesn't have gelatin.:)
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>

Ginger and Jeff Sabo

Whole Foods/Wild Oats has some...

--
In peace and love,
Ginger
Annie(18), Kai(9) and Kade(6)

http://twofreeboysplus3.blogspot.com/

LOVE has impact.

"It's not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
accept and celebrate those differences." - Audre Lorde

http://www.savetherain.org/

favorite song...http://www.manitobamusic.com/play.php?vc=9
or is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akevZTqMe-U

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM, swissarmy_wife <heatherbean@...>
wrote:

> Neither does Fluff. Or is that the same thing?
>
> And I don't think you can get Fluff on the west coast unless ordered
> via the internet.
>
> --- In [email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Ren Allen"
> <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
> >
> > ~~but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
> > for her. ~~
> >
> > The marshmallow creme doesn't have gelatin.:)
> >
> > Ren
> > learninginfreedom.com
> >
>
>
>


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[email protected]

is it for s'mores or for roasting?
if it's for s'mores.............Ricemellow is AWESOME!
It is made from brown rice - sooooo yummy!
also, if you eat fish there are marshmallows at whole foods made w/ fish gelatin.
hth!

-amy





~~but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
for her. ~~

The marshmallow creme doesn't have gelatin.:)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com







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To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 6:02 pm
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: the veg thing






~~but now I'm in search of veggie marshmallows
for her. ~~

The marshmallow creme doesn't have gelatin.:)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com






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Debra Rossing

IME the cheaper store brands often don't have gelatin where the name
brands do. Go figure. For us, we started checking for gelatin years ago,
not because of being veg/not wanting animal products but because we
made/make our own 'yogurt cheese' by draining the whey out (via a knee
stocking LOL - you should see the double takes when people see the knee
highs hanging over the sink after we rinse them out! LOL) Gelatin causes
the whey to stay blended in, we wanted it out. So, we'd look for
no-gelatin yogurts. And the local store brand was the best, no gelatin.
The alternate to gelatin is pectin but that's usually from fruit so not
a problem for those who want no animal squeezin's in their foods. A
really good yogurt with no gelatin (I checked) is the Greek yogurt which
is very popular now - Chobani and Fage are two of the more popular
brands I've seen. They filter/strain the whey off so it's very thick and
creamy and has NO gelatin in either of those brands. It's a favorite of
mine because the fat free plain is thick and rich and less tart than
regular yogurt (whey is a big factor in tartness, that yogurt tang) - I
add a spoonful of agave syrup and a healthy BAM! of cinnamon and I've
got a fat free, low carb/low glycemic, decent protein, TASTY snack -
that's important at things like DS' birthday party when our guests were
all having cake and ice cream and that's just not a good choice for me
(type 2 diabetes), so I made myself a favorite tasty snack to munch on
while they ate cake. Yum!

Deb


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Debra Rossing

Yummy! Marshmallow crème and Nutella (we found an organic, no HFCS Nutella like substance at the co-op) on graham crackers is an easy, no fire needed, way to have something akin to s'mores any time you want them.

Makes sense too - the gelatin would keep the marshmallow from being creamy and spreadable and gooey

Deb

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carenkh

There's just sugar in my Nutella! No HFCS here, nor in the generic
"chocolate hazelnut spread" from Aldi. Yay! for Nutella and orange
marmalade...

I first heard about that combo from Sandra Dodd on an unschooling list
years ago... then she provided a recipe for chocolate bread pudding.

I've gotten so, so much from unschooling lists... and those two things
definitely made my life better. LOL

peace,
Caren




--- In [email protected], "Debra Rossing"
<debra.rossing@...> wrote:
>
> Yummy! Marshmallow crème and Nutella (we found an organic, no HFCS
Nutella like substance at the co-op)

Mara

Aldi? Are you in Germany by any chance?
Mara


----- Original Message ----
From: carenkh <carenkh@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:09:49 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: the veg thing


There's just sugar in my Nutella! No HFCS here, nor in the generic
"chocolate hazelnut spread" from Aldi. Yay! for Nutella and orange
marmalade...

I first heard about that combo from Sandra Dodd on an unschooling list
years ago... then she provided a recipe for chocolate bread pudding.

I've gotten so, so much from unschooling lists... and those two things
definitely made my life better. LOL

peace,
Caren

--- In unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com, "Debra Rossing"
<debra.rossing@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yummy! Marshmallow crème and Nutella (we found an organic, no HFCS
Nutella like substance at the co-op)






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Schuyler

Aldi's in the U.S. and in the U.K. David tends to shop at Lidl instead of Aldi for our cheaper snacks. Not for our nutella though. I like the nutella jars as juice glasses so if the craving strikes only nutella fulfills the duel purpose.

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com


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Aldi? Are you in Germany by any chance?
Mara

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carenkh

> Aldi? Are you in Germany by any chance?
> Mara
>


No, I'm in Charlotte, NC! Aldi has meant when I needed to, my sweet
family of 3 could eat for $15 for a week's worth of groceries. I
*love* them. AND, their chocolate is divine - worth the trip alone!

Caren

Debra Rossing

There was an Aldi not too far from my apartment when I lived in suburban
St. Louis (Rock Hill for those out there - Saaaalute!)

Deb


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