does this sound normal?
Sharon Thomas
I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give us
an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at 6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.
There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and have
them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.
I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and have
them occupied with things quietly.
Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me know
how many you are bringing.
I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I looking
at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my kids...why
leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if they
needed me.
sharon
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an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at 6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.
There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and have
them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.
I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and have
them occupied with things quietly.
Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me know
how many you are bringing.
I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I looking
at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my kids...why
leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if they
needed me.
sharon
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Robyn Coburn
<<<<I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give
us an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at 6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.>>>>
It sounds normal but doesn't immediately sound like Unschoolers. It sounds
like a school-at-home activity and support group. They are intending to be
discussing "business", and that the kids might be distracting or
disinterested in the talking heads. They are assuming that mothers would
like a bit of a break from their kids. Maybe the teen sitters are really
cool and your younger ones would have a really good time.
If you all like any of the field trips then you could go on them. Is
attending this monthly meeting mandatory if you want to engage in other
activities or park days with the group?
How do they propose to "prevent" your child from coming to you or calling
you if they need you? If this idea is actually the philosophy behind the
group it may not be a good fit for someone who is parenting mindfully. Have
you talked to any of the other members, than the host, kind of checking the
references of the sitters?
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us an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at 6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.>>>>
It sounds normal but doesn't immediately sound like Unschoolers. It sounds
like a school-at-home activity and support group. They are intending to be
discussing "business", and that the kids might be distracting or
disinterested in the talking heads. They are assuming that mothers would
like a bit of a break from their kids. Maybe the teen sitters are really
cool and your younger ones would have a really good time.
If you all like any of the field trips then you could go on them. Is
attending this monthly meeting mandatory if you want to engage in other
activities or park days with the group?
How do they propose to "prevent" your child from coming to you or calling
you if they need you? If this idea is actually the philosophy behind the
group it may not be a good fit for someone who is parenting mindfully. Have
you talked to any of the other members, than the host, kind of checking the
references of the sitters?
Robyn L. Coburn
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Jonni-Ann Goulding
Sharon-
This is actualy funny because there is a local homeschooling group here that I have been debating whether to get involved with and every month I get invited to the meetings and I never seem to be able to go but last month we specifically didn't go because of the same kind of thing. From the sound of it, kids were not welcome. So I called and said "of course, it's ok to bring the children-right?" And the lady in charge said "well maybe we could find a babysitter if someone needed it but really it's better if you can come without them." And when I explained that I really thought I'd like the children's input on the trips and stuff (it was a field trip planning type meeting) and that I'd like them to come along with me if at all possible, she again offered to find a teen to come and watch them for me so that I could participate. I was baffled and I didn't go.
Next week is another party and I think thankfully something came up because suddenly I feel I have so very little in common with school-at-home homeschoolers that I don't know how it will go. So we won't go next week but next month, they're going to the observatory which I know my son is interested in so my plan is to participate sort of from afar until I figure it all out.
So to answer your question-I don't know that it's "normal" but I've seen it happen. It's mind blowing to me really. lol
Jonni-Ann
***Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad***
Sharon Thomas <meplusfive@...> wrote:
I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give us
an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at 6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.
There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and have
them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.
I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and have
them occupied with things quietly.
Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me know
how many you are bringing.
I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I looking
at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my kids...why
leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if they
needed me.
sharon
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This is actualy funny because there is a local homeschooling group here that I have been debating whether to get involved with and every month I get invited to the meetings and I never seem to be able to go but last month we specifically didn't go because of the same kind of thing. From the sound of it, kids were not welcome. So I called and said "of course, it's ok to bring the children-right?" And the lady in charge said "well maybe we could find a babysitter if someone needed it but really it's better if you can come without them." And when I explained that I really thought I'd like the children's input on the trips and stuff (it was a field trip planning type meeting) and that I'd like them to come along with me if at all possible, she again offered to find a teen to come and watch them for me so that I could participate. I was baffled and I didn't go.
Next week is another party and I think thankfully something came up because suddenly I feel I have so very little in common with school-at-home homeschoolers that I don't know how it will go. So we won't go next week but next month, they're going to the observatory which I know my son is interested in so my plan is to participate sort of from afar until I figure it all out.
So to answer your question-I don't know that it's "normal" but I've seen it happen. It's mind blowing to me really. lol
Jonni-Ann
***Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad***
Sharon Thomas <meplusfive@...> wrote:
I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give us
an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at 6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.
There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and have
them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.
I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and have
them occupied with things quietly.
Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me know
how many you are bringing.
I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I looking
at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my kids...why
leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if they
needed me.
sharon
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April M
Yes, this sounds normal....and I've been on both sides of it. I've had
children that didn't leave my side and I run a local homeschool group. What
we do is have teens and/or moms available in a nearby room with crafts and
games. Kids always have the option of going with the teens or staying with
Mom....I just can't imagine telling a child or parent that they can only
come if they leave their child. On the other hand, the reason I provide the
activities is that our meetings are quite frankly boring for kids.....we
don't usually have speakers, but we have sharing of information and always
have Q & A time.....and I can't speak over 20 loud children. When we've not
been able to procure help with the kids, we've had way too much noise, lots
of running around and horsing around...from both structured homeschool kids
and unschooling kids (these are parenting issues, not homeschooling
issues)....so I try to offer a pleasant alternative for the kids. The kids
that want to stay with mom are usually young or don't mind sitting still if
that's what it takes to be near Mom. And mind you, I don't expect silent
children sitting with their hands in their lap (a rather frightening idea,
actually), I have a high tolerance to noise and chaos.
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-15, Karl-13, & Ben-9.
*REACH Homeschool Group, an inclusive group meeting throughout Oakland
County.. http://www.homeschoolingonashoestring.com/REACH_home.html
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Thomas [mailto:meplusfive@...]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] does this sound normal?
I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give us
an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at
6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.
There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and
have
them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.
I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and
have
them occupied with things quietly.
Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me
know
how many you are bringing.
I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I
looking
at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my
kids...why
leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if they
needed me.
sharon
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children that didn't leave my side and I run a local homeschool group. What
we do is have teens and/or moms available in a nearby room with crafts and
games. Kids always have the option of going with the teens or staying with
Mom....I just can't imagine telling a child or parent that they can only
come if they leave their child. On the other hand, the reason I provide the
activities is that our meetings are quite frankly boring for kids.....we
don't usually have speakers, but we have sharing of information and always
have Q & A time.....and I can't speak over 20 loud children. When we've not
been able to procure help with the kids, we've had way too much noise, lots
of running around and horsing around...from both structured homeschool kids
and unschooling kids (these are parenting issues, not homeschooling
issues)....so I try to offer a pleasant alternative for the kids. The kids
that want to stay with mom are usually young or don't mind sitting still if
that's what it takes to be near Mom. And mind you, I don't expect silent
children sitting with their hands in their lap (a rather frightening idea,
actually), I have a high tolerance to noise and chaos.
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-15, Karl-13, & Ben-9.
*REACH Homeschool Group, an inclusive group meeting throughout Oakland
County.. http://www.homeschoolingonashoestring.com/REACH_home.html
*Michigan Youth Theater...Acting On Our Dreams...
<http://www.michiganyouththeater.org/>
"Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we react to it." ~~ Dennis P.
Kimbro
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Thomas [mailto:meplusfive@...]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] does this sound normal?
I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give us
an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at
6:00
There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she could know
how many teens to get.
There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and
have
them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.
I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and
have
them occupied with things quietly.
Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me
know
how many you are bringing.
I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I
looking
at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my
kids...why
leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if they
needed me.
sharon
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KJoy!
Hi,
I am new to this list. Not new to unschooling though. :)
Started before ds1 was born.
I have ds, 8, ds, 4 and dd, 13mo.
We recently joined a group of homeschoolers because
they were AP, since we are very AP. Ok, let's see how
this goes.
We're having the same thing happen. "crafts" and
"activities" planned by the moms. my ds, 4, got really
upset when they insisted on "following the directions."
And the moms all talk about curriculum and lessons,
sigh. This has been my experience with most groups
I have tried. Even joined an AP Homeschooling list and
they mostly talk about "schooling" stuff. sigh...
Ok, I started my own list for APing Unschoolers. Now
to build enough interest locally to have our own APing
Unschoolers to get together with. :)) Ahh, but unschoolers
are one fickle bunch, everyone following their path. So,
getting together for a "meeting" is kind of an antithesis
of the whole meeting thing. :)
Love,
KJoy! The Pink Dancing Butterfly Mama!
Natural Living/Attachment Parenting Products
http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?kjoy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP_Unschoolers
I am new to this list. Not new to unschooling though. :)
Started before ds1 was born.
I have ds, 8, ds, 4 and dd, 13mo.
We recently joined a group of homeschoolers because
they were AP, since we are very AP. Ok, let's see how
this goes.
We're having the same thing happen. "crafts" and
"activities" planned by the moms. my ds, 4, got really
upset when they insisted on "following the directions."
And the moms all talk about curriculum and lessons,
sigh. This has been my experience with most groups
I have tried. Even joined an AP Homeschooling list and
they mostly talk about "schooling" stuff. sigh...
Ok, I started my own list for APing Unschoolers. Now
to build enough interest locally to have our own APing
Unschoolers to get together with. :)) Ahh, but unschoolers
are one fickle bunch, everyone following their path. So,
getting together for a "meeting" is kind of an antithesis
of the whole meeting thing. :)
Love,
KJoy! The Pink Dancing Butterfly Mama!
Natural Living/Attachment Parenting Products
http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?kjoy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP_Unschoolers
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonni-Ann Goulding
Sharon-
This is actualy funny because there is a local homeschooling group here that I have been debating whether to get involved with and every month I get invited to the meetings and I never seem to be able to go but last month we specifically didn't go because of the same kind of thing.
Jonni-Ann
***Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad***
Sharon Thomas <meplusfive@...> wrote:
I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would give us
an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.
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enchanted dreams
We had a nice little homeschool group until a couple of the dads went to
some weekend fundamentalist get-together that told them to get more involved
wiht their kids' homeschooling. So... they came to our group (their wives
sitting meekly by their sides), and told us that from now on the meetings
would be in the evenings when they could be there, and that we needed to
get babysitters for our kids - not to bring them along. I was livid.
Everyone else was afraid to speak up. We left the group. Isn't being with
your kids the whole friggin' point?
Cheryl
some weekend fundamentalist get-together that told them to get more involved
wiht their kids' homeschooling. So... they came to our group (their wives
sitting meekly by their sides), and told us that from now on the meetings
would be in the evenings when they could be there, and that we needed to
get babysitters for our kids - not to bring them along. I was livid.
Everyone else was afraid to speak up. We left the group. Isn't being with
your kids the whole friggin' point?
Cheryl
> I got onto a list for our local homeschool group thinking it would giveus
> an opportunity to meet other kids with like interests.6:00
> I got an email last night saying the monthly meeting would be tues. at
> There would be babysitters and we needed to let her know so she couldknow
> how many teens to get.have
> There is going to be a man coming that is a teacher at our community
> college and he is sharing that there is an opportunity for the teens in
> public and homeschool to participate. Trips to nashville to the capitol,
> seeing a law come into being and voting on it etc. He had wanted my teen
> there ( he is a friend of ours) so i thought I could take the kids and
> them sit with me so Zach could hear the talk and choose for himself.have
> I emailed asking the leader if it was ok to bring them in with me and
> them occupied with things quietly.know
> Her response was: if you bring kids there are babysitters. Just let me
> how many you are bringing.looking
> I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am I
> at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with mykids...why
> leave them so I can go talk about being at home?they
> Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if
> needed me.
>
> sharon
>
Robyn Coburn
<<<Ok, I started my own list for APing Unschoolers. Now
to build enough interest locally to have our own APing
Unschoolers to get together with. :)) Ahh, but unschoolers
are one fickle bunch, everyone following their path. So,
getting together for a "meeting" is kind of an antithesis
of the whole meeting thing. :)>>>
You may enjoy also joining the new discussion group for younger unschoolers
"from birth" AlwaysUnschooled at Yahoo groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
It is owned by Danielle Conger and myself.
Robyn L. Coburn
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to build enough interest locally to have our own APing
Unschoolers to get together with. :)) Ahh, but unschoolers
are one fickle bunch, everyone following their path. So,
getting together for a "meeting" is kind of an antithesis
of the whole meeting thing. :)>>>
You may enjoy also joining the new discussion group for younger unschoolers
"from birth" AlwaysUnschooled at Yahoo groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
It is owned by Danielle Conger and myself.
Robyn L. Coburn
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KJoy!
Thank you so much Robyn!
Looks great!
Love,
KJoy! The Pink Dancing Butterfly Mama!
Natural Living/Attachment Parenting Products
http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?kjoy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP_Unschoolers
Looks great!
Love,
KJoy! The Pink Dancing Butterfly Mama!
Natural Living/Attachment Parenting Products
http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?kjoy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP_Unschoolers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robyn Coburn" <dezigna@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] does this sound normal?
>
> <<<Ok, I started my own list for APing Unschoolers. Now
> to build enough interest locally to have our own APing
> Unschoolers to get together with. :)) Ahh, but unschoolers
> are one fickle bunch, everyone following their path. So,
> getting together for a "meeting" is kind of an antithesis
> of the whole meeting thing. :)>>>
>
> You may enjoy also joining the new discussion group for younger
unschoolers
> "from birth" AlwaysUnschooled at Yahoo groups.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysUnschooled/
>
> It is owned by Danielle Conger and myself.
>
> Robyn L. Coburn
pam sorooshian
On Sep 24, 2004, at 10:32 AM, Sharon Thomas wrote:
if you're not comfortable, don't do it. Maybe not right for you or the
right time of life for you.
But I do think there are times it is useful for adults to get together
to talk without distraction and sometimes people don't seem to use good
sense about how disruptive their own kids are going to be. I bet
they've had problems with that, and that's why they set up the teens
watching over the younger kids and why they don't want the children in
the adult talk.
Leaving kids in order to talk about being at home? I think it makes
some sense to do that. For a couple of years, I gave talks on a
scheduled basis to those who are interested in getting started
homeschooling - when people had their children with them it very very
definitely reduced the amount they learned from the talks and also
reduced the amount other people at the talks could learn. I did it
anyway - because the talks were the hour before our regularly-scheduled
park day and so it made sense for them to have their children with them
- but I can most definitely say that it was distracting and made a
significant difference in how in-depth we were able to get. I did these
talks at a park, so the kids could play on the playground right next to
where the talk was going on, and often that was fine, the kids were
busy and happy. But other times the kids were very much in evidence and
very distracting. It was worth it - the timing was good, the atmosphere
informal and encouraging to parents of young kids. But, definitely I
can see how the opportunity to talk without the distractions of kids
would be beneficial, too.
-pam
Life is Learning; Learning is Life
<www.unschooling.info>
> I don't understand homeschool groups that ban children. Why? Am INormal, yes.
> looking
> at this from the wrong point of view? I am at home to be with my
> kids...why
> leave them so I can go talk about being at home?
> Doesn't make sense to me. And the kids would not have access to me if
> they
> needed me.
if you're not comfortable, don't do it. Maybe not right for you or the
right time of life for you.
But I do think there are times it is useful for adults to get together
to talk without distraction and sometimes people don't seem to use good
sense about how disruptive their own kids are going to be. I bet
they've had problems with that, and that's why they set up the teens
watching over the younger kids and why they don't want the children in
the adult talk.
Leaving kids in order to talk about being at home? I think it makes
some sense to do that. For a couple of years, I gave talks on a
scheduled basis to those who are interested in getting started
homeschooling - when people had their children with them it very very
definitely reduced the amount they learned from the talks and also
reduced the amount other people at the talks could learn. I did it
anyway - because the talks were the hour before our regularly-scheduled
park day and so it made sense for them to have their children with them
- but I can most definitely say that it was distracting and made a
significant difference in how in-depth we were able to get. I did these
talks at a park, so the kids could play on the playground right next to
where the talk was going on, and often that was fine, the kids were
busy and happy. But other times the kids were very much in evidence and
very distracting. It was worth it - the timing was good, the atmosphere
informal and encouraging to parents of young kids. But, definitely I
can see how the opportunity to talk without the distractions of kids
would be beneficial, too.
-pam
Life is Learning; Learning is Life
<www.unschooling.info>
Sharon Thomas
Pam,
I do understand your point of view. I can see that getting started would
need more one on one.I feel that this is passed that and is now become
common place for the Moms to get their time. There are parent's night outs
and stuff.
It is just the feeling I get from the Moms at times. Not all of them but I
do hear comments like.."I just had to get away for awhile." or " the kids
were driving me crazy" and everyone else nods their heads and seems to agree
or understand.
My concern is with the kids...they must hear that sometimes and how do they
feel?
anyway....I don't think it is right for us and we will keep plodding along.
We have recently met a family that homeschools and the kids seem to fit
nicely.
thanks for sharing another side
sharon
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I do understand your point of view. I can see that getting started would
need more one on one.I feel that this is passed that and is now become
common place for the Moms to get their time. There are parent's night outs
and stuff.
It is just the feeling I get from the Moms at times. Not all of them but I
do hear comments like.."I just had to get away for awhile." or " the kids
were driving me crazy" and everyone else nods their heads and seems to agree
or understand.
My concern is with the kids...they must hear that sometimes and how do they
feel?
anyway....I don't think it is right for us and we will keep plodding along.
We have recently met a family that homeschools and the kids seem to fit
nicely.
thanks for sharing another side
sharon
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