Debbie S.

Hi everyone,
Our dd is learning Italian with the "Muzzy" DVD language course. It occurred to me the other day that many DVD's now offer multiple language selection on one DVD (like Shrek). I was wondering if anyone has used them to teach or supplement teaching a foreign language?

Deb S.




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Sharissa13

I've never thought of doing it that way... I speak
German, so as my son and I go to stores, etc I will
point out things and tell him what they are in
English, then in German. He hasn't really been
interested so far, but I'm not pressuring him or anything.


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Krisula

DS likes to watch Spirited Away in the original Japanese, and since he's so
familiar with the English version he knows what's going on and has picked up
some vocabulary that way. His accent is also good (at least it sounds good
to me)



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Robin Bentley

Dd is also learning Japanese from watching Pokemon, Digimon, Inuyasha
and Lucky Star in Japanese. She names the creatures she makes out of
clay Japanese names, then explains to me what they mean. She also
tells me she prefers the Japanese songs to the English-dubbed ones in
all the shows and has downloaded as many as she could find to her iPod!

BTW, she loves Miyazaki films, especially Spirited Away and Princess
Mononoke, so I'll find them in Japanese for her, too (if she hasn't
done so herself already <g>).

Robin B.


On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Krisula wrote:

> DS likes to watch Spirited Away in the original Japanese, and since
> he's so
> familiar with the English version he knows what's going on and has
> picked up
> some vocabulary that way. His accent is also good (at least it
> sounds good
> to me)
>
>
>
> jya, mata ne
>
>
>
> Krisula
>

Shawn and Kelli Scott

--- In [email protected], Robin Bentley
<robin.bentley@...> wrote:
>
> Dd is also learning Japanese from watching Pokemon, Digimon,
Inuyasha
> and Lucky Star in Japanese. She names the creatures she makes out of
> clay Japanese names, then explains to me what they mean. She also
> tells me she prefers the Japanese songs to the English-dubbed ones
in
> all the shows and has downloaded as many as she could find to her
iPod!
>
>


Not sure how old your daughter is, but my son is 12.5 and loves, did I
say loves, manga. It is a Japanese type of comic book. It is
translated to English, but he finds the shows online and watchs them in
Japanese, English subtitles, and has learned some of the works from
this also. He would much rather listen to the Japanese songs than the
English and he to has downloaded them to his mp3 player. Funny how
they can pick this stuff up, their little minds amaze me.
He once told his great granny that his mind is like a dry sponge and
all of the knowledge in the world is like water, and his mind just
loves soaking up all of that water. I thought it was a very good and
creative thinking.
Kelli

diana jenner

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Debbie S. <Glasswitch@...>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Our dd is learning Italian with the "Muzzy" DVD language course. It
> occurred to me the other day that many DVD's now offer multiple language
> selection on one DVD (like Shrek). I was wondering if anyone has used them
> to teach or supplement teaching a foreign language?
>
>
>
>


We do this often at our house *Because we want to* ~ not for any hidden
agenda of *teaching* or *exposing* ~ it's very fun to take a movie you know
by heart, switch audio to another language and leave the subtitles english
(or vice-versa). The Princess Bride in Spanish is fun, as is Shrek in
French!
With the Japanese movies like Spirited Away, there are two different English
captions available (subtitles and closed captioning) I've often wondered if
one is done in Japan and one in America, they're very different from one
another...
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
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swissarmy_wife

--- In [email protected], "diana jenner"
<hahamommy@...> wrote:

> We do this often at our house *Because we want to* ~ not for any hidden
> agenda of *teaching* or *exposing* ~ it's very fun to take a movie
you know
> by heart, switch audio to another language and leave the subtitles
english
> (or vice-versa).

My son used to watch movies in French all the time. We would walk in
the room and there he was giggling away because he thought it sounded
so funny! He must have been 5 at the time.

Brad Holcomb

My favorite movie for this is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. In theaters,
the movie was in Mandarin, with English subtitles. When it hit DVD, they
added an English voice track. And it's amazing how well they dubbed it.
80% of the time, it looks like the characters' mouths are actually forming
English words. And the English dialogue is significantly different from the
English subtitles...they obviously edited the spoken words to more closely
match mouth movements.

I saw that movie at least 6 times in the theater, in Mandarin, and I still
enjoy it most in the original Mandarin, with or without subtitles. I don't
know any Mandarin words, but it's a gorgeous movie.

(A bit of trivia from the special features on the dvd: only one of the
stars was a native Mandarin speaker, so most of the actors (who spoke
Cantonese or Taiwanese) spoke phonetically for the movie, really no
differently than a native English speaker would have had to do.)

--
Brad in Boulder, CO

jane doe

The only caveat might be if you are trying to match
the subtitles with the foreign language that they
really do match up. I understand Italian but my kids
don't. I have discovered that listening to the Italian
while they read makes me crazy more often than not.
Take Life is Beautiful, the language is so beautiful
and so much of it is lost in the subtitling. La Strada
makes me howl because there is so much missing. Closed
captioning quality is often hit or miss,even on DVD's.
ELISA

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My daughter loved to watch the Backyardigans en France! It did help her move
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Starrwyn Tonkin

We are currently living in Taiwan and my kids watch a lot of Chinese tv.

We do have English movies and programs, but the kids cartoons and kids movies are mostly all in Chinese;0)

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Robin Bentley

Dd just turned 13, and we're picking up some Inuyasha manga today for
our car trip! She has both the "regular" books and the "ani-
manga" (prefers the latter right now).

I love your son's "dry sponge" analogy! And how cool that his great-
grandmother heard that from him.

When dd was doing Aikido, one of the routines was to count in
different languages while doing stretches. Dd was always embarrassed
that she would just count in English (though sometimes she attempted
French, since she could count to 10 en Francais). She didn't want to
learn any other language (especially Japanese) when she was "expected"
to (although I didn't expect it of her). Now she wants to learn
because she loves all things Japanese at the moment. Except for Aikido
<g>.

Robin B.

On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Shawn and Kelli Scott wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Robin Bentley
> <robin.bentley@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dd is also learning Japanese from watching Pokemon, Digimon,
> Inuyasha
>> and Lucky Star in Japanese. She names the creatures she makes out of
>> clay Japanese names, then explains to me what they mean. She also
>> tells me she prefers the Japanese songs to the English-dubbed ones
> in
>> all the shows and has downloaded as many as she could find to her
> iPod!
>>
>>
>
>
> Not sure how old your daughter is, but my son is 12.5 and loves, did I
> say loves, manga. It is a Japanese type of comic book. It is
> translated to English, but he finds the shows online and watchs them
> in
> Japanese, English subtitles, and has learned some of the works from
> this also. He would much rather listen to the Japanese songs than the
> English and he to has downloaded them to his mp3 player. Funny how
> they can pick this stuff up, their little minds amaze me.
> He once told his great granny that his mind is like a dry sponge and
> all of the knowledge in the world is like water, and his mind just
> loves soaking up all of that water. I thought it was a very good and
> creative thinking.
> Kelli
>
>

Debbie S.

We do this often at our house *Because we want to* ~ not for any hidden
agenda of *teaching* or *exposing* ~

Forgive me, I'm really new to the entire "unschooling" lifestyle - dd is not quite 2. I guess I'm curious if it is your way of being to never do anything with the kids with the thought of exposing them to something new or teaching them something?

Thanks!

Deb. S.


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Joyce Fetteroll

On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Debbie S. wrote:

> I guess I'm curious if it is your way of being to never do anything
> with the kids with the thought of exposing them to something new or
> teaching them something?

Exposing, yes. Teaching, no.

Exposing is "Here's something cool" and then letting go of caring
whether they pick it up and run with it or not. One way of looking at
it is treat everything like a coloring book. If you hand a child a
coloring book you think they might like, you probably won't be
fretting on whether they do it or not or how they do it! It becomes a
"Cool if they like it, cool if they don't." If they like it or don't
like it, you learn a little more about who they are right now and can
help them find more of what they like.

If you don't make it to the bottom of my long post to Nikki, here's
something Scott Noelle wrote as part of his "Daily Groove". It's a
question that a lot of new unschoolers struggle with: when helping
them might not really be helping them but easing our fears. You can
add "incomplete" or "not knowledgeable in things I think are
important to know" to his list of helpless, damaged, etc.


> THE DAILY GROOVE ~ by Scott Noelle
> www.enjoyparenting.com/dailygroove
>
> :: Helping vs. Co-creation ::
>
> Q: How do you know when it's appropriate
> to offer your child help/assistance?
>
> A: When the offer feels *inspired* rather
> than fear-based.
>
> If you're coming from a perspective that your child is
> helpless, damaged, weak, incompetent, lost, wrong,
> etc., then your "help" will only give power to that
> belief. It won't feel inspired to you, and it won't
> inspire your child to connect with his or her Power.
>
> But if you consciously shift your perspective to one
> in which you see your child as capable of finding his
> or her way, you won't feel like you "should" help, and
> you probably won't offer to help unless asked.
>
> However, you might be *inspired* to get involved in a
> way that doesn't feel like you're a "have" helping a
> "have-not" -- it'll feel more like two souls playing
> together, co-creating purely for the joy of it!
>
> http://dailygroove.net/helping
>

Joyce




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diana jenner

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Debbie S. <Glasswitch@...>
wrote:

> We do this often at our house *Because we want to* ~ not for any hidden
> agenda of *teaching* or *exposing* ~
>
> Forgive me, I'm really new to the entire "unschooling" lifestyle - dd is
> not quite 2. I guess I'm curious if it is your way of being to never do
> anything with the kids with the thought of exposing them to something new or
> teaching them something?
>
>

Not with any kind of school-like agenda in my mind... that's the trick,
playing the dvds may *look* exactly the same in our homes, it's the
underlying *why* that makes all the difference.
If something seems cool/fun/exciting to me, I want to share this thrill
(like Princess Bride in French) -- not an underlying inkling of *oh I need
to expose Hayden to French and PB will help me reach that goal* The exposure
to French doesn't even register on my mama-radar because my point is the
sharing of excitement and the new discovery. I use ASL and Spanish for
phrases I think are just more fluent in those languages over English :)
Hayden has asked me not to sign to him or to use my voice when I do, or to
repeat my Spanish phrase with the English. I don't mind, I say those things
for *me* :)
Scotty (Super Cool Boyfriend) speaks French (to make international travel
easier) and loves to throw around phrases and endearments. If either Hayden
or I felt he was doing this for a reason other than his love of French
Language, we'd both reject his approach, as we have really no interest or
use for French. Because SCB is sharing is *LOVE of French* we've picked up
quite a bit and H & I are actually thinking about taking the French I class
at the local community college.It has way more to do with sharing what SCB
loves than it is "learning a second language."
I know some of the things that Hayden thinks are cool/fun/exciting and I
will share those things as I come across them too -- a gamers magazine for
example, he loves receiving them and looking through them and reading what's
coming up and what he may like to save his money for. These magazines
improve his reading ability, his reading comprehension and great vocabulary
exposure -- as a BONUS, *not* *not* NOT the reason I subscribe in the first
place.
Whenever I think of sharing information, I listen carefully to the little,
niggling voices in my head who give me great insight into the *why* of
anything I do... if there's something fear-based or stuck-in-school-think
about what I'm going to do, I wait until I can do this thing with no agenda,
no greater-purpose beyond this moment right here...
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com


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[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie S. <Glasswitch@...>

Forgive me, I'm really new to the entire "unschooling" lifestyle - dd
is not
quite 2. I guess I'm curious if it is your way of being to never do
anything
with the kids with the thought of exposing them to something new or
teaching
them something?

-=-=-=-=-

I expose my kids ALL THE TIME to new and interesting stuff.

But the idea isn't to teach them stuff. It is to expose them to stuff.

We don't play games in order to teach them words or math or strategies.
We play games for FUN.

We don't go to live performances with the hope that they'll learn
something. We go to live performances to see live performances and to
have fFUN!

It just so happens that they learn all sorts of neat things as a *side
effect* of having fun.

It's all in the *intention*. I don't INTEND to teach them something. My
*intent* is to have FUN!

All that learning that happens anyway is just a cool side effect!



~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org

Debbie S.

Thank you for the clarity! I actually got the Muzzy program off of
e-bay because we have extended family members who are from Italy, who
dd gets to see about twice a month. She had started picking up a few
words here and there, so I thought she might enjoy more. As it is,
she begs for the DVD generally within moments of waking up. If she
weren't interested, I obviously wouldn't bother with it.

It gives me more to think about as far as how and where to draw the
lines between things I think she might enjoy and what she's truly
interested in. At this age, it can be a bit of a tough call.


Deb. S.

--- In [email protected], "diana jenner"
<hahamommy@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Debbie S. <Glasswitch@...>
> wrote:
>
> > We do this often at our house *Because we want to* ~ not for any
hidden
> > agenda of *teaching* or *exposing* ~
> >
> > Forgive me, I'm really new to the entire "unschooling" lifestyle -
dd is
> > not quite 2. I guess I'm curious if it is your way of being to
never do
> > anything with the kids with the thought of exposing them to
something new or
> > teaching them something?
> >
> >
>
> Not with any kind of school-like agenda in my mind... that's the trick,
> playing the dvds may *look* exactly the same in our homes, it's the
> underlying *why* that makes all the difference.
> If something seems cool/fun/exciting to me, I want to share this thrill
> (like Princess Bride in French) -- not an underlying inkling of *oh
I need
> to expose Hayden to French and PB will help me reach that goal* The
exposure
> to French doesn't even register on my mama-radar because my point is the
> sharing of excitement and the new discovery. I use ASL and Spanish for
> phrases I think are just more fluent in those languages over English :)
> Hayden has asked me not to sign to him or to use my voice when I do,
or to
> repeat my Spanish phrase with the English. I don't mind, I say those
things
> for *me* :)
> Scotty (Super Cool Boyfriend) speaks French (to make international
travel
> easier) and loves to throw around phrases and endearments. If either
Hayden
> or I felt he was doing this for a reason other than his love of French
> Language, we'd both reject his approach, as we have really no
interest or
> use for French. Because SCB is sharing is *LOVE of French* we've
picked up
> quite a bit and H & I are actually thinking about taking the French
I class
> at the local community college.It has way more to do with sharing
what SCB
> loves than it is "learning a second language."
> I know some of the things that Hayden thinks are cool/fun/exciting and I
> will share those things as I come across them too -- a gamers
magazine for
> example, he loves receiving them and looking through them and
reading what's
> coming up and what he may like to save his money for. These magazines
> improve his reading ability, his reading comprehension and great
vocabulary
> exposure -- as a BONUS, *not* *not* NOT the reason I subscribe in
the first
> place.
> Whenever I think of sharing information, I listen carefully to the
little,
> niggling voices in my head who give me great insight into the *why* of
> anything I do... if there's something fear-based or
stuck-in-school-think
> about what I'm going to do, I wait until I can do this thing with no
agenda,
> no greater-purpose beyond this moment right here...
> --
> ~diana :)
> xoxoxoxo
> hannahbearski.blogspot.com
>
>
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