Unschooling vs Radical Unschooling
Carle
Please could some one explain to me the diffrence between Unschooling
and Radical Unschooling
Thank you
Carle'
and Radical Unschooling
Thank you
Carle'
Deb
--- In [email protected], "Carle" <dehningc@...> wrote:
philosophy that encompasses all of life, hence it is often called life
learning.
"radical" gets tacked on when the philosophy of trusting children to
learn is extended to the rest of life, not just "schooling". Trusting
children in regard to food, sleep, etc.
It is possible to unschool "academically" - that is, trust that your
child(ren) will learn what they need to in the academic sense when and
how they need to without applying that to the rest of life, thus you'd
have children who are free to learn to read, to manage numbers, to
explore the world, etc in whatever manner and timeframe suits them BUT
they are at the same time regulated as to when to eat, what to eat,
when to sleep, and so on.
Generally, it's often easier for us grown ups to wrap our heads around
unschooling academically (though that's also not easy) than to
comprehend that kids will grow just fine without being forced to bed
at 8:30 pm because mom and dad think they should be in bed at 8:30 pm
regardless of whether they are tired or not.
--Deb
>Unschooling
> Please could some one explain to me the diffrence between
> and Radical UnschoolingUnschooling in general is "not school" - it is a different educational
>
> Thank you
> Carle'
>
philosophy that encompasses all of life, hence it is often called life
learning.
"radical" gets tacked on when the philosophy of trusting children to
learn is extended to the rest of life, not just "schooling". Trusting
children in regard to food, sleep, etc.
It is possible to unschool "academically" - that is, trust that your
child(ren) will learn what they need to in the academic sense when and
how they need to without applying that to the rest of life, thus you'd
have children who are free to learn to read, to manage numbers, to
explore the world, etc in whatever manner and timeframe suits them BUT
they are at the same time regulated as to when to eat, what to eat,
when to sleep, and so on.
Generally, it's often easier for us grown ups to wrap our heads around
unschooling academically (though that's also not easy) than to
comprehend that kids will grow just fine without being forced to bed
at 8:30 pm because mom and dad think they should be in bed at 8:30 pm
regardless of whether they are tired or not.
--Deb
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Deb <debra.rossing@...>
It is possible to unschool "academically" - that is, trust that your
child(ren) will learn what they need to in the academic sense when and
how they need to without applying that to the rest of life, thus you'd
have children who are free to learn to read, to manage numbers, to
explore the world, etc in whatever manner and timeframe suits them BUT
they are at the same time regulated as to when to eat, what to eat,
when to sleep, and so on.
-=-=-=-=-
And see: I don't understand *how* that IS possible!
What happens when the child asks why all the rules?
-=-=-=-=-=-
Generally, it's often easier for us grown ups to wrap our heads around
unschooling academically (though that's also not easy) than to
comprehend that kids will grow just fine without being forced to bed
at 8:30 pm because mom and dad think they should be in bed at 8:30 pm
regardless of whether they are tired or not.
-=-=-=-=-=-
I think it is definitely easier to accept. I just don't see how that
would actually *WORK*!
Children may be ignorant, but they're not stupid. ANd even *they* will
begin to question these things eventually. What will the parents'
answer be? "Yes, I think you're smart and capable enough to learn
higher math and grammar, but I don't trust you to know when your body's
tired or hungry. So, I'll make all those decisions FOR you."
*I* still can't wrap my head around THAT! <g>
~Kelly, pretty radical <g>
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
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From: Deb <debra.rossing@...>
It is possible to unschool "academically" - that is, trust that your
child(ren) will learn what they need to in the academic sense when and
how they need to without applying that to the rest of life, thus you'd
have children who are free to learn to read, to manage numbers, to
explore the world, etc in whatever manner and timeframe suits them BUT
they are at the same time regulated as to when to eat, what to eat,
when to sleep, and so on.
-=-=-=-=-
And see: I don't understand *how* that IS possible!
What happens when the child asks why all the rules?
-=-=-=-=-=-
Generally, it's often easier for us grown ups to wrap our heads around
unschooling academically (though that's also not easy) than to
comprehend that kids will grow just fine without being forced to bed
at 8:30 pm because mom and dad think they should be in bed at 8:30 pm
regardless of whether they are tired or not.
-=-=-=-=-=-
I think it is definitely easier to accept. I just don't see how that
would actually *WORK*!
Children may be ignorant, but they're not stupid. ANd even *they* will
begin to question these things eventually. What will the parents'
answer be? "Yes, I think you're smart and capable enough to learn
higher math and grammar, but I don't trust you to know when your body's
tired or hungry. So, I'll make all those decisions FOR you."
*I* still can't wrap my head around THAT! <g>
~Kelly, pretty radical <g>
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
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trektheory
--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
reasonable bedtime, without fuss or bother, it is because we all
function better that way. DH has to get up in order to go to work,
and someone mentioned (on another list) that having regular times in
the week, but going to bed late and sleeping late every weekend is
like having jetlag every week.
I think there can be something between strict, "You do x,y,z when and
how I say, because I say" and say, guidelines. We have a ballpark
time we shoot for at bed, because it works -- but it's more of the
"get to a good stopping spot" time, not a "Stop that activity NOW,
because it's time" sort of thing.
I find it interesting that so many of the kids we've known as my son
has grown up (and when he was little homeschooling hadn't even hit my
radar!) -- it looked like we were stricter, but yet, our son had far
more freedom! And now, at 16, I hear other parents locally talking
about how their kid can only do, same, computer games on the weekend,
so he didn't want to go to a party because it took from his gaming
time. That would be a red flag to me! My son has fairly unrestricted
computer use, though he does need to get his schooly stuff done (he
takes classes at a couple different schools) -- but I don't tell him
to, or when.
We don't have any written or spoken rules, though -- but a general
philosophy of help one another, eat regularly (he and I have reactive
hypoglycemia, so going too long without eating can have unhappy
results, including not realizing he needs to eat!)
I think there is an ongoing process for some of us, though -- we have
gotten more and more relaxed as time goes on. Would that I could know
then, what I know now!
Linda
>Perhaps, parents can explain WHY the rules. We have maintained a
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb <debra.rossing@...>
>
> It is possible to unschool "academically" - that is, trust that your
> child(ren) will learn what they need to in the academic sense when and
> how they need to without applying that to the rest of life, thus you'd
> have children who are free to learn to read, to manage numbers, to
> explore the world, etc in whatever manner and timeframe suits them BUT
> they are at the same time regulated as to when to eat, what to eat,
> when to sleep, and so on.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> And see: I don't understand *how* that IS possible!
>
> What happens when the child asks why all the rules?
reasonable bedtime, without fuss or bother, it is because we all
function better that way. DH has to get up in order to go to work,
and someone mentioned (on another list) that having regular times in
the week, but going to bed late and sleeping late every weekend is
like having jetlag every week.
I think there can be something between strict, "You do x,y,z when and
how I say, because I say" and say, guidelines. We have a ballpark
time we shoot for at bed, because it works -- but it's more of the
"get to a good stopping spot" time, not a "Stop that activity NOW,
because it's time" sort of thing.
I find it interesting that so many of the kids we've known as my son
has grown up (and when he was little homeschooling hadn't even hit my
radar!) -- it looked like we were stricter, but yet, our son had far
more freedom! And now, at 16, I hear other parents locally talking
about how their kid can only do, same, computer games on the weekend,
so he didn't want to go to a party because it took from his gaming
time. That would be a red flag to me! My son has fairly unrestricted
computer use, though he does need to get his schooly stuff done (he
takes classes at a couple different schools) -- but I don't tell him
to, or when.
We don't have any written or spoken rules, though -- but a general
philosophy of help one another, eat regularly (he and I have reactive
hypoglycemia, so going too long without eating can have unhappy
results, including not realizing he needs to eat!)
I think there is an ongoing process for some of us, though -- we have
gotten more and more relaxed as time goes on. Would that I could know
then, what I know now!
Linda
Debra Rossing
>"We have maintained a reasonable bedtime, without fuss or bother, it isbecause we all function better that way. DH has to get up in order to go
to
>work, and someone mentioned (on another list) that having regular timesin the week, but going to bed late and sleeping late every weekend is
like
>having jetlag every week.I suppose the question that would get asked at our house is "If *you*
have to get up to go to work, why do *I* have to go to bed when I'm not
sleepy?" I am the one who gets up and out to work Mon-Fri (at my desk
before 8 am) and yes, I head toward sleep somewhere around 10 pm most
evenings, even weekends. DH and DS can choose to come to bed when I go
but they don't have to. Often, they'll come snuggle for a bit then DS
may go to his room to watch TV, read or play with something. DH may stay
up and watch TV (he turns the sound off and uses the captioning if I'm
sleeping - the light itself doesn't bother me once I'm asleep). There's
a principle of being respectful to others (not bouncing on the bed when
Mommy's trying to sleep) but no rules about what constitutes being
respectful, because that changes in how it looks over time and in
different circumstances.
Deb
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