in response to reading and correcting
AromaRonna
Hi All,
My child is all of two and my daughter was playing with some letters and numbers at a
friends house and it really upset me when the other mother whom I am pretty good friends
with corrected my daughter when she called a" 2 "an" A". I just let it brush over. I could have
said something like" oh, we don't correct her,". I could have/should have defended my
daughter but I also did not want to put a lot of focus on it and I immediately changed the
subject which LilaRose (Daughter) went with the flow. But there was a flicker in her eyes of,
of "OH, I am doing something wrong"or "I don't know what you are talking about, lady". Any
feedback on ways to respond or not respond when people correct our children. Oh, and I
don't think that this friend would be offended if I said something. I was a bit taken by
surprise, though. Her daughter is 2, too. She is not a mainstream person, either.
Thanks.
Ronna
My child is all of two and my daughter was playing with some letters and numbers at a
friends house and it really upset me when the other mother whom I am pretty good friends
with corrected my daughter when she called a" 2 "an" A". I just let it brush over. I could have
said something like" oh, we don't correct her,". I could have/should have defended my
daughter but I also did not want to put a lot of focus on it and I immediately changed the
subject which LilaRose (Daughter) went with the flow. But there was a flicker in her eyes of,
of "OH, I am doing something wrong"or "I don't know what you are talking about, lady". Any
feedback on ways to respond or not respond when people correct our children. Oh, and I
don't think that this friend would be offended if I said something. I was a bit taken by
surprise, though. Her daughter is 2, too. She is not a mainstream person, either.
Thanks.
Ronna
Joyce Fetteroll
On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:00 PM, AromaRonna wrote:
upsetting your daughter you could mention it, or pull her aside and
mention your daughter learns better when she figures things out
herself but otherwise the emotions stirred up in the room could feel
like a red flag to your daughter that something big just happened.
When they're 2 and especially with a first child every moment seems
important and life changing. Big picture, it was a few seconds out of
two years of being supported.
Joyce
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> it really upset me when the other mother whom I am pretty good friendsI'd let it go. If it's something the mother does repeatedly and it's
> with corrected my daughter when she called a" 2 "an" A". I just let
> it brush over. I could have
> said something like" oh, we don't correct her,"
upsetting your daughter you could mention it, or pull her aside and
mention your daughter learns better when she figures things out
herself but otherwise the emotions stirred up in the room could feel
like a red flag to your daughter that something big just happened.
When they're 2 and especially with a first child every moment seems
important and life changing. Big picture, it was a few seconds out of
two years of being supported.
Joyce
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Anita Jeffree
Greetings All,
Can someone please elaborate on the not correcting? This is new to me; how can children understand the context of what they are reading if they don't use the correct words for example? Will they not feel embarrassed later on when they realise that they have made an ongoing mistake? Thinking of my daughter (who's nearly 8) she loves reading and likes to be told the correct words as she reads aloud (judging on experience) I can picture her saying to me later "why didn't you tell me that?"
Thanks,
Anita
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Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:28:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] in response to reading and correcting
Can someone please elaborate on the not correcting? This is new to me; how can children understand the context of what they are reading if they don't use the correct words for example? Will they not feel embarrassed later on when they realise that they have made an ongoing mistake? Thinking of my daughter (who's nearly 8) she loves reading and likes to be told the correct words as she reads aloud (judging on experience) I can picture her saying to me later "why didn't you tell me that?"
Thanks,
Anita
To: [email protected]
From: jfetteroll@...
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:28:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] in response to reading and correcting
On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:00 PM, AromaRonna wrote:
> it really upset me when the other mother whom I am pretty good friends
> with corrected my daughter when she called a" 2 "an" A". I just let
> it brush over. I could have
> said something like" oh, we don't correct her,"
mention your daughter learns better when she figures things out
herself
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Anita Jeffree wrote:
to correct them every time they make a wrong guess. The first guess
doesn't become the final answer :-)
When to correct something and when not to is a judgement call based
on personality and various other factors. Sometimes it helps to ask
yourself if it were an adult, would I correct her. Sometimes it will
be important or the rest of what she's doing right now won't work.
Sometimes you'll see that it will self correct with time.
It *is* important to give them the freedom to self-correct. It means
they're analyzing situations, checking their theories and coming up
with new ones. It's much more profound learning than memorizing which
shapes are "a" and which are "2". She doesn't really need to know the
difference until she starts reading -- though she may be curious long
before that -- and she can't hold onto that theory that an "a" is a
"2" long once she starts reading. It will self correct.
won't make sense. They've already got a big handle on language since
they've been speaking it for a long time and have absorbed a huge
amount of information about the world. They will keep asking
themselves as they read, "Does this guess make sense?" When it
doesn't, they'll come up with a new theory and try that out. Or ask.
It's helpful to be aware that it isn't necessary to correct every
mistake kids make in order for them to learn. It's helpful to be
aware that kids will obviously guess wrong *a lot* when they're first
starting anything new and a flurry of corrections can be
disheartening. It indicates a lack of trust in their ability to
figure things out.
Isn't it a lot more fun to fill in a crossword puzzle than to have
someone tell you all the answers to put in the squares ;-)
But, again, depends on what the child wants and their personality.
Joyce
> Can someone please elaborate on the not correcting?It's not a rule . It's more of an awareness that kids don't need us
to correct them every time they make a wrong guess. The first guess
doesn't become the final answer :-)
When to correct something and when not to is a judgement call based
on personality and various other factors. Sometimes it helps to ask
yourself if it were an adult, would I correct her. Sometimes it will
be important or the rest of what she's doing right now won't work.
Sometimes you'll see that it will self correct with time.
It *is* important to give them the freedom to self-correct. It means
they're analyzing situations, checking their theories and coming up
with new ones. It's much more profound learning than memorizing which
shapes are "a" and which are "2". She doesn't really need to know the
difference until she starts reading -- though she may be curious long
before that -- and she can't hold onto that theory that an "a" is a
"2" long once she starts reading. It will self correct.
> This is new to me; how can children understand the context of whatBecause they just can't do certain things wrong for long. It just
> they are reading if they don't use the correct words for example?
> Will they not feel embarrassed later on when they realise that they
> have made an ongoing mistake?
won't make sense. They've already got a big handle on language since
they've been speaking it for a long time and have absorbed a huge
amount of information about the world. They will keep asking
themselves as they read, "Does this guess make sense?" When it
doesn't, they'll come up with a new theory and try that out. Or ask.
> Thinking of my daughter (who's nearly 8) she loves reading andThen she wants the information and you should give it to her. :-)
> likes to be told the correct words as she reads aloud (judging on
> experience) I can picture her saying to me later "why didn't you
> tell me that?"
It's helpful to be aware that it isn't necessary to correct every
mistake kids make in order for them to learn. It's helpful to be
aware that kids will obviously guess wrong *a lot* when they're first
starting anything new and a flurry of corrections can be
disheartening. It indicates a lack of trust in their ability to
figure things out.
Isn't it a lot more fun to fill in a crossword puzzle than to have
someone tell you all the answers to put in the squares ;-)
But, again, depends on what the child wants and their personality.
Joyce
Zoa Conner
Not correcting -- think of this as "teach by teaching not by correcting".
You model and show the right way without criticizing or correcting. When my
dd4 uses the wrong word, I try to remember not to say "you mean blah".
Instead I say "yes,I see a blah also". She hears and remembers for next
time. Sometimes she asks about the word I use.
Zoa
You model and show the right way without criticizing or correcting. When my
dd4 uses the wrong word, I try to remember not to say "you mean blah".
Instead I say "yes,I see a blah also". She hears and remembers for next
time. Sometimes she asks about the word I use.
Zoa
On 9/15/07 12:42 PM, "Anita Jeffree" <anita.jeffree@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings All,
>
> Can someone please elaborate on the not correcting? This is new to me; how can
> children understand the context of what they are reading if they don't use the
> correct words for example? Will they not feel embarrassed later on when they
> realise that they have made an ongoing mistake? Thinking of my daughter (who's
> nearly 8) she loves reading and likes to be told the correct words as she
> reads aloud (judging on experience) I can picture her saying to me later "why
> didn't you tell me that?"
>
> Thanks,
> Anita
>
----------------
Zoa Conner, PhD
Physicist and Montessori Homeschooling Mother
zoaconner@...
Ren Allen
~~The things is, we were all doing what we chose,
together, but no one felt compelled to, say, lick a cow's salt block
unless they really wanted to. ~~
I really loved your whole example of joyful co-exploration. It made me
think of "The Sense of Wonder" by Rachel Carson, a book I reference
often in talks. She describes outdoor exploration with her small
nephew and how the point is sharing the joy, rather than teaching him
anything. She treated him as she would treat an adult, exploring side
by side with no agenda. I love how she talks about the names of
things being less important than the sheer joy of discovery.
That's unschooling in a nutshell.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
together, but no one felt compelled to, say, lick a cow's salt block
unless they really wanted to. ~~
I really loved your whole example of joyful co-exploration. It made me
think of "The Sense of Wonder" by Rachel Carson, a book I reference
often in talks. She describes outdoor exploration with her small
nephew and how the point is sharing the joy, rather than teaching him
anything. She treated him as she would treat an adult, exploring side
by side with no agenda. I love how she talks about the names of
things being less important than the sheer joy of discovery.
That's unschooling in a nutshell.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
ronna proghovnick
Thanks Joyce. I do realize it was a short moment. It
is not a regular thing with this friend. I think it
more had to do with feeling overwhelmed about some of
the reponses that our family is getting when we share
that we are unschooling and my "stuff" around it. I
am sooo grateful to be learning from all of you folks
that have gone before me and have shared that
respecting our children from the beginning is the only
way to go. This deschooling process is unraveling to
my core. I have never sought knowledge and/of
UNDERSTANDING such as this. So many things happen
daily that I get to look at. Trying to live in the
moment, say "YES" as much as I allow myself, and TRUST
myself. So many things happen out in the world (with
children). I am trying to look at where it is coming
from in regards to how I respond to my child and
finding a balance in saying "yes" more and being in
harmony with our surroundings and some cases knowing
when to change our sourroundings and some of the
people that we hang with. I hope that I am not
rambling too much. Thanks for listening and
responding.
Ronna
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is not a regular thing with this friend. I think it
more had to do with feeling overwhelmed about some of
the reponses that our family is getting when we share
that we are unschooling and my "stuff" around it. I
am sooo grateful to be learning from all of you folks
that have gone before me and have shared that
respecting our children from the beginning is the only
way to go. This deschooling process is unraveling to
my core. I have never sought knowledge and/of
UNDERSTANDING such as this. So many things happen
daily that I get to look at. Trying to live in the
moment, say "YES" as much as I allow myself, and TRUST
myself. So many things happen out in the world (with
children). I am trying to look at where it is coming
from in regards to how I respond to my child and
finding a balance in saying "yes" more and being in
harmony with our surroundings and some cases knowing
when to change our sourroundings and some of the
people that we hang with. I hope that I am not
rambling too much. Thanks for listening and
responding.
Ronna
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