interesting article needs some attention lol
Becca and Sarai
This is an interesting article that really needs some attention.... I
know there are a lot out there that will and would want to put therir 2
cents out on this so wanted to pass it on... As this guy is wacked and
needs an insite of what PS really is all about.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-shaw/lets-restrict-home-
schoo_b_49013.html
know there are a lot out there that will and would want to put therir 2
cents out on this so wanted to pass it on... As this guy is wacked and
needs an insite of what PS really is all about.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-shaw/lets-restrict-home-
schoo_b_49013.html
Alice Roddy
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Unfortunately, I had to sign up with the site in order to post so am I now going to get junk from them?
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Nancy Polin
Did anyone notice that the most ARTICULATE responses
to this goofball's article came from homeschoolers?
Gotta love it... :)
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This is just totally crazy how people can get off by writing crap they know nothing about and wanting to change laws. I saw this last night and was just like oh my. It reminds me the time that the homeschooled boy shoot and killed his gf parents and the talk we all got because of homeschooling.... That is what actually turned my hubby around from sending our kids back to a ps system ever. My oldest was actually made fun of in the PS system by a PS teacher. We had thought about homeschooling but hadnt at that point cause really we needed me to work as I am a Nurse and made more then he did in wages. When that happened though and the teacher admitted to doing it and saw nothing wrong with making fun of him. Which really made me mad because my son has NO handicap at all he is a normal bright child she just didnt like the clothes he wore and how he looked because he is a big boy exp... He is 12 years old, he wears a size 13 shoe and is about 5'4" and weighs around 150
lbs. He was a straight A student and loves school of all things but she made him hate it. She would say stuff to him in front of the whole class. He is fat and ugly and stupid and you name it. I was furious. I did whatI could to protect him and to actually take her job cause I guess he wasnt the first or he last she did this to. No one listened but once I made a stink she is now no longer there as other parents stepped up after I did... So it took like 2 years before they got rid of her. But anyway the shootings and everything is just too much for me to handle in the PS system. Send my child to school where they are to be safe but yet then you never know if you will see them again due to all the killings they have been having. My husband starting watching in our town alone these are just a few of the incidents....
1. THe blacks and Mexicans had a gang bang from one school to the other and they hit and beat anyone in between them...
2. They teach sex ed in kindergarten without parents concent
3. The highschool has a day care for the teen moms attending school. We counted one day just at one hs and there was 25 babies in a stroller....
4. Forcing kids to believe in evolution.... I dont throw my religion in their face dont throw evolution in my kids face.....
5. My youngest son they would have on all kinds of meds cause of his hyperactivity...
6. A science experiment was done with the kids testing their blood and they all used the same needle to poke themselves......
Of course these are just a few of the incidents but hello it was enough for my hubby to be totally supportive of homeschooling/unschooling our children....
We actually have unschooled just never knew there was a name for it hehehe.... We dont use curriculiams although I have some books for reference. The kids pick and choose what they want to do when they want to do.... And the reason we do it this way is because if it is my idea my youngest son wont do it he will be off out the door and down the street with me chasing him. So since it is his idea its great cause we have never had the problem of him running off like that again.... I love it...
Becca
Alice Roddy <amar0514412000@...> wrote:
I carefully composed a respectful, reasoned response, edited it down to 350 words and then had it rejected! Apparently they've cut off responses to this post.
Unfortunately, I had to sign up with the site in order to post so am I now going to get junk from them?
LOL
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lbs. He was a straight A student and loves school of all things but she made him hate it. She would say stuff to him in front of the whole class. He is fat and ugly and stupid and you name it. I was furious. I did whatI could to protect him and to actually take her job cause I guess he wasnt the first or he last she did this to. No one listened but once I made a stink she is now no longer there as other parents stepped up after I did... So it took like 2 years before they got rid of her. But anyway the shootings and everything is just too much for me to handle in the PS system. Send my child to school where they are to be safe but yet then you never know if you will see them again due to all the killings they have been having. My husband starting watching in our town alone these are just a few of the incidents....
1. THe blacks and Mexicans had a gang bang from one school to the other and they hit and beat anyone in between them...
2. They teach sex ed in kindergarten without parents concent
3. The highschool has a day care for the teen moms attending school. We counted one day just at one hs and there was 25 babies in a stroller....
4. Forcing kids to believe in evolution.... I dont throw my religion in their face dont throw evolution in my kids face.....
5. My youngest son they would have on all kinds of meds cause of his hyperactivity...
6. A science experiment was done with the kids testing their blood and they all used the same needle to poke themselves......
Of course these are just a few of the incidents but hello it was enough for my hubby to be totally supportive of homeschooling/unschooling our children....
We actually have unschooled just never knew there was a name for it hehehe.... We dont use curriculiams although I have some books for reference. The kids pick and choose what they want to do when they want to do.... And the reason we do it this way is because if it is my idea my youngest son wont do it he will be off out the door and down the street with me chasing him. So since it is his idea its great cause we have never had the problem of him running off like that again.... I love it...
Becca
Alice Roddy <amar0514412000@...> wrote:
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Unfortunately, I had to sign up with the site in order to post so am I now going to get junk from them?
LOL
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Julie Hampton
what article?
Julie H
Julie H
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To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re:interesting article needs some attention lol
Did anyone notice that the most ARTICULATE responses
to this goofball's article came from homeschoolers?
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Nicole Willoughby
Jen on another list wrote a reply to it lets restrict public schooling ......she gave her permission to post it over here .............
Obviously there were and are political reasons for this. Lots of
public-schooling parents are bi-partisan. Bi-partisanists are easily
led, and they vote.
But as to other reasons for this blanket surrender to public school
advocates- I for one, have never understood why.
Of course I know that our home school families are plagued by
problems, but I have to think that through time- even now- our
families have nurtured millions of solid citizens. And surely, our
private schools have nurtured and produced millions more of our best
people.
I'm not blind to the fact that many solid citizens have been
public-schooled. I've even heard of public schoolers winning science
fairs, and being accepted to prestigious colleges. Because I admit
that public schooling works in some cases, I don't view myself as a
bigot in that regard.
Still, when I look at the bigger picture, I am far from assured that
the blanket legal compulsion of public-schooling serves society too well.
I'm troubled by the fact that a significant percentage of public
schooling parents choose this option because of an overriding feeling
that they cannot provide their children with a solid education, simply
because they, themselves, were public-schooled.
I wonder how many of these types of public-schooled kids take the
assumptions of say, reading as something only experts can teach, and
school as the only place learning takes place, and other lack of
respect for scientific and intellectual inquiry into adulthood. Will
these people be on equal preparatory footing for jobs where scientific
inquisitiveness, technical insight or critical thinking skills are far
more necessary than rote recitation?
I'm also troubled, frankly, by parents who find the world overly
complex, and want to keep their students squirreled away in same-age
classes, away from the real world, in the service of simplicity and
protectiveness.
I'm equally troubled by the fact that a non-trivial number of
public-schoolers are taught in that way because their parents are
self-centered consumers who lack the impulse or skills to mix in as
collaborative members of everyday society--even with their own offspring.
Well, the world is overly complex. Lots of different types of people,
of cultural forces. Hiding off in an age-segregated classroom and
teaching kids away from the influence of a socially formative
community environment can make it harder for your children to learn
about the give-and-take of life in our present-day culture.
Listen, I am not advocating that public-schooling should be outlawed.
Of course there should be exemptions- where the neighborhood has a
school as a collaborative effort, when the child isn't able to
tolerate diverse groups and stimulation, where the family lives in a
geographically dense area. In these cases- and when teachers are
professionally trained as a qualified parent is available- sure,
public schooling would be OK.
But as to the public schooler subjected to beliefs that run counter to
scientific inquiry and the principles in which knowledge is pursued
and attained- I say don't send them to school unless there's a course
of study they can't find in their own community.
But if the public-schooler comes home saying:
"School is the only place where learning takes place," or, "My teacher
says you have to go to school to learn to read," then we've lost the
intellectual war to a degenerate system with a captive audience.
--Jen
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>>>With varying degrees of red-tape, public schooling is compulsory ineach and every one of our 50 states.
Obviously there were and are political reasons for this. Lots of
public-schooling parents are bi-partisan. Bi-partisanists are easily
led, and they vote.
But as to other reasons for this blanket surrender to public school
advocates- I for one, have never understood why.
Of course I know that our home school families are plagued by
problems, but I have to think that through time- even now- our
families have nurtured millions of solid citizens. And surely, our
private schools have nurtured and produced millions more of our best
people.
I'm not blind to the fact that many solid citizens have been
public-schooled. I've even heard of public schoolers winning science
fairs, and being accepted to prestigious colleges. Because I admit
that public schooling works in some cases, I don't view myself as a
bigot in that regard.
Still, when I look at the bigger picture, I am far from assured that
the blanket legal compulsion of public-schooling serves society too well.
I'm troubled by the fact that a significant percentage of public
schooling parents choose this option because of an overriding feeling
that they cannot provide their children with a solid education, simply
because they, themselves, were public-schooled.
I wonder how many of these types of public-schooled kids take the
assumptions of say, reading as something only experts can teach, and
school as the only place learning takes place, and other lack of
respect for scientific and intellectual inquiry into adulthood. Will
these people be on equal preparatory footing for jobs where scientific
inquisitiveness, technical insight or critical thinking skills are far
more necessary than rote recitation?
I'm also troubled, frankly, by parents who find the world overly
complex, and want to keep their students squirreled away in same-age
classes, away from the real world, in the service of simplicity and
protectiveness.
I'm equally troubled by the fact that a non-trivial number of
public-schoolers are taught in that way because their parents are
self-centered consumers who lack the impulse or skills to mix in as
collaborative members of everyday society--even with their own offspring.
Well, the world is overly complex. Lots of different types of people,
of cultural forces. Hiding off in an age-segregated classroom and
teaching kids away from the influence of a socially formative
community environment can make it harder for your children to learn
about the give-and-take of life in our present-day culture.
Listen, I am not advocating that public-schooling should be outlawed.
Of course there should be exemptions- where the neighborhood has a
school as a collaborative effort, when the child isn't able to
tolerate diverse groups and stimulation, where the family lives in a
geographically dense area. In these cases- and when teachers are
professionally trained as a qualified parent is available- sure,
public schooling would be OK.
But as to the public schooler subjected to beliefs that run counter to
scientific inquiry and the principles in which knowledge is pursued
and attained- I say don't send them to school unless there's a course
of study they can't find in their own community.
But if the public-schooler comes home saying:
"School is the only place where learning takes place," or, "My teacher
says you have to go to school to learn to read," then we've lost the
intellectual war to a degenerate system with a captive audience.
--Jen
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Lorrie
I knew the family that was involved in the killing back in 2005. It was a horrible time.
Believe me homeschooling had nothing to do with it. The young girl involved was a sneak and a liar. My daughter was friends with her for a short time until I could see that she was manipulative and sneaky. She had snuck this boy into her room right behind her families back, while they were asleep, on more then one occasion. Did she learn this from homeschooling? I don't think so. Was the boyfriend mentally unstable because he was homeschooled? Of course not. There were so many factors in this case, but for some reason the homescholing part is what always made it into the news.
I got so sick of the accusations that were flying around about homeschoolers and that most are not wrapped right. The newspaper website out here had a field day with it as well.
There have been countless public school threats here, as well as real tragedies here and elsewhere. I couldn't be happier with my decision to keep my kids home. Let small minded people think what they will. It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled, unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.
lorrie
----- Original Message ----
From: Becca <angel_eyes_becca_and_hannah@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 12:06:15 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] RE: interesting article needs some attention lol
This is just totally crazy how people can get off by writing crap they know nothing about and wanting to change laws. I saw this last night and was just like oh my. It reminds me the time that the homeschooled boy shoot and killed his gf parents and the talk we all got because of homeschooling. ... That is what actually turned my hubby around from sending our kids back to a ps system ever. My oldest was actually made fun of in the PS system by a PS teacher. We had thought about homeschooling but hadnt at that point cause really we needed me to work as I am a Nurse and made more then he did in wages. When that happened though and the teacher admitted to doing it and saw nothing wrong with making fun of him. Which really made me mad because my son has NO handicap at all he is a normal bright child she just didnt like the clothes he wore and how he looked because he is a big boy exp... He is 12 years old, he wears a size 13 shoe and is about 5'4" and weighs around 150
lbs. He was a straight A student and loves school of all things but she made him hate it. She would say stuff to him in front of the whole class. He is fat and ugly and stupid and you name it. I was furious. I did whatI could to protect him and to actually take her job cause I guess he wasnt the first or he last she did this to. No one listened but once I made a stink she is now no longer there as other parents stepped up after I did... So it took like 2 years before they got rid of her. But anyway the shootings and everything is just too much for me to handle in the PS system. Send my child to school where they are to be safe but yet then you never know if you will see them again due to all the killings they have been having. My husband starting watching in our town alone these are just a few of the incidents... .
1. THe blacks and Mexicans had a gang bang from one school to the other and they hit and beat anyone in between them...
2. They teach sex ed in kindergarten without parents concent
3. The highschool has a day care for the teen moms attending school. We counted one day just at one hs and there was 25 babies in a stroller....
4. Forcing kids to believe in evolution... . I dont throw my religion in their face dont throw evolution in my kids face.....
5. My youngest son they would have on all kinds of meds cause of his hyperactivity. ..
6. A science experiment was done with the kids testing their blood and they all used the same needle to poke themselves.. ....
Of course these are just a few of the incidents but hello it was enough for my hubby to be totally supportive of homeschooling/ unschooling our children....
We actually have unschooled just never knew there was a name for it hehehe.... We dont use curriculiams although I have some books for reference. The kids pick and choose what they want to do when they want to do.... And the reason we do it this way is because if it is my idea my youngest son wont do it he will be off out the door and down the street with me chasing him. So since it is his idea its great cause we have never had the problem of him running off like that again.... I love it...
Becca
Alice Roddy <amar0514412000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I carefully composed a respectful, reasoned response, edited it down to 350 words and then had it rejected! Apparently they've cut off responses to this post.
Unfortunately, I had to sign up with the site in order to post so am I now going to get junk from them?
LOL
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Believe me homeschooling had nothing to do with it. The young girl involved was a sneak and a liar. My daughter was friends with her for a short time until I could see that she was manipulative and sneaky. She had snuck this boy into her room right behind her families back, while they were asleep, on more then one occasion. Did she learn this from homeschooling? I don't think so. Was the boyfriend mentally unstable because he was homeschooled? Of course not. There were so many factors in this case, but for some reason the homescholing part is what always made it into the news.
I got so sick of the accusations that were flying around about homeschoolers and that most are not wrapped right. The newspaper website out here had a field day with it as well.
There have been countless public school threats here, as well as real tragedies here and elsewhere. I couldn't be happier with my decision to keep my kids home. Let small minded people think what they will. It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled, unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.
lorrie
----- Original Message ----
From: Becca <angel_eyes_becca_and_hannah@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 12:06:15 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] RE: interesting article needs some attention lol
This is just totally crazy how people can get off by writing crap they know nothing about and wanting to change laws. I saw this last night and was just like oh my. It reminds me the time that the homeschooled boy shoot and killed his gf parents and the talk we all got because of homeschooling. ... That is what actually turned my hubby around from sending our kids back to a ps system ever. My oldest was actually made fun of in the PS system by a PS teacher. We had thought about homeschooling but hadnt at that point cause really we needed me to work as I am a Nurse and made more then he did in wages. When that happened though and the teacher admitted to doing it and saw nothing wrong with making fun of him. Which really made me mad because my son has NO handicap at all he is a normal bright child she just didnt like the clothes he wore and how he looked because he is a big boy exp... He is 12 years old, he wears a size 13 shoe and is about 5'4" and weighs around 150
lbs. He was a straight A student and loves school of all things but she made him hate it. She would say stuff to him in front of the whole class. He is fat and ugly and stupid and you name it. I was furious. I did whatI could to protect him and to actually take her job cause I guess he wasnt the first or he last she did this to. No one listened but once I made a stink she is now no longer there as other parents stepped up after I did... So it took like 2 years before they got rid of her. But anyway the shootings and everything is just too much for me to handle in the PS system. Send my child to school where they are to be safe but yet then you never know if you will see them again due to all the killings they have been having. My husband starting watching in our town alone these are just a few of the incidents... .
1. THe blacks and Mexicans had a gang bang from one school to the other and they hit and beat anyone in between them...
2. They teach sex ed in kindergarten without parents concent
3. The highschool has a day care for the teen moms attending school. We counted one day just at one hs and there was 25 babies in a stroller....
4. Forcing kids to believe in evolution... . I dont throw my religion in their face dont throw evolution in my kids face.....
5. My youngest son they would have on all kinds of meds cause of his hyperactivity. ..
6. A science experiment was done with the kids testing their blood and they all used the same needle to poke themselves.. ....
Of course these are just a few of the incidents but hello it was enough for my hubby to be totally supportive of homeschooling/ unschooling our children....
We actually have unschooled just never knew there was a name for it hehehe.... We dont use curriculiams although I have some books for reference. The kids pick and choose what they want to do when they want to do.... And the reason we do it this way is because if it is my idea my youngest son wont do it he will be off out the door and down the street with me chasing him. So since it is his idea its great cause we have never had the problem of him running off like that again.... I love it...
Becca
Alice Roddy <amar0514412000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I carefully composed a respectful, reasoned response, edited it down to 350 words and then had it rejected! Apparently they've cut off responses to this post.
Unfortunately, I had to sign up with the site in order to post so am I now going to get junk from them?
LOL
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Meredith
--- In [email protected], Becca
<angel_eyes_becca_and_hannah@...> wrote:
13, moved in with us about six months ago, and we were pretty
thrilled to pull him out of the local public school. He was
miserable there. He's almost six feet tall, and got a lot of
harrassment from teachers and other kids. No one called him fat - it
would be a stretch, he's all elbows and knees right now - but he
heard "stupid" enought to believe it. He's healing.
can talk plenty about unschooling without getting into our
differences of opinion about religion, etc. Racism won't be
tolerated, though, and your first "incident" (even if it was
completely factual) was phrased in a manner that was pretty
offensive.
---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)
<angel_eyes_becca_and_hannah@...> wrote:
>He is 12 years old, he wears a size 13 shoe and is about 5'4" andHi, Becca, I'm Meredith, mom to Morgan and stepmom to Rayan. Ray's
>weighs around 150 lbs.
13, moved in with us about six months ago, and we were pretty
thrilled to pull him out of the local public school. He was
miserable there. He's almost six feet tall, and got a lot of
harrassment from teachers and other kids. No one called him fat - it
would be a stretch, he's all elbows and knees right now - but he
heard "stupid" enought to believe it. He's healing.
>My husband starting watching in our town alone these are just a fewThis group is pretty diverse, so please be respectful of that. We
>of the incidents....
can talk plenty about unschooling without getting into our
differences of opinion about religion, etc. Racism won't be
tolerated, though, and your first "incident" (even if it was
completely factual) was phrased in a manner that was pretty
offensive.
---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)
Becca
Im sorry thats not how I was meaning it Im not raciest by any means it was just that it was a gang related incident that happened to be I guess was 1 race agaisnt another race. But my point as that the fighting and killings and stuff are even in a small town like ours. Wasnt trying to be racist as I am not... Sorry if it sounded that way or if I offended anyone.
Becca
Meredith <meredith@...> wrote:
--- In [email protected], Becca
<angel_eyes_becca_and_hannah@...> wrote:
13, moved in with us about six months ago, and we were pretty
thrilled to pull him out of the local public school. He was
miserable there. He's almost six feet tall, and got a lot of
harrassment from teachers and other kids. No one called him fat - it
would be a stretch, he's all elbows and knees right now - but he
heard "stupid" enought to believe it. He's healing.
can talk plenty about unschooling without getting into our
differences of opinion about religion, etc. Racism won't be
tolerated, though, and your first "incident" (even if it was
completely factual) was phrased in a manner that was pretty
offensive.
---Meredith (Mo 5.5, Ray 13)
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Becca
Meredith <meredith@...> wrote:
--- In [email protected], Becca
<angel_eyes_becca_and_hannah@...> wrote:
>He is 12 years old, he wears a size 13 shoe and is about 5'4" andHi, Becca, I'm Meredith, mom to Morgan and stepmom to Rayan. Ray's
>weighs around 150 lbs.
13, moved in with us about six months ago, and we were pretty
thrilled to pull him out of the local public school. He was
miserable there. He's almost six feet tall, and got a lot of
harrassment from teachers and other kids. No one called him fat - it
would be a stretch, he's all elbows and knees right now - but he
heard "stupid" enought to believe it. He's healing.
>My husband starting watching in our town alone these are just a fewThis group is pretty diverse, so please be respectful of that. We
>of the incidents....
can talk plenty about unschooling without getting into our
differences of opinion about religion, etc. Racism won't be
tolerated, though, and your first "incident" (even if it was
completely factual) was phrased in a manner that was pretty
offensive.
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Ren Allen
~~Believe me homeschooling had nothing to do with it. The young girl
involved was a sneak and a liar. My daughter was friends with her for
a short time until I could see that she was manipulative and sneaky. ~~
Manipulation and sneakiness are learned by being overly controlled.
~~She had snuck this boy into her room right behind her families back,
while they were asleep, on more then one occasion. Did she learn this
from homeschooling?~~
Maybe if her parents had treated her with trust and respect from the
beginning, she wouldn't have had to sneak anything.
~~It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled,
unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has
nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.~~
While I agree that tragedy can strike anyone, I don't believe that
method of schooling has no effect on mental health. If that were true,
then unschooling wouldn't be my best option. But it is. And I don't
have teens that are sneaky, and I don't have kids trying to manipulate
anyone.
Method of teaching can greatly affect mental health. I've been witness
to it countless times. The damage produced by overly controlling
parents and schooling isn't as apparent in some kids, but it's still
damaging them.
Unschooling isn't a teaching method. It isn't a schooling method.
Unschooling is saying that there is no need for a method of any
kind...that humans learn just fine without any of that bullcrap.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
involved was a sneak and a liar. My daughter was friends with her for
a short time until I could see that she was manipulative and sneaky. ~~
Manipulation and sneakiness are learned by being overly controlled.
~~She had snuck this boy into her room right behind her families back,
while they were asleep, on more then one occasion. Did she learn this
from homeschooling?~~
Maybe if her parents had treated her with trust and respect from the
beginning, she wouldn't have had to sneak anything.
~~It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled,
unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has
nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.~~
While I agree that tragedy can strike anyone, I don't believe that
method of schooling has no effect on mental health. If that were true,
then unschooling wouldn't be my best option. But it is. And I don't
have teens that are sneaky, and I don't have kids trying to manipulate
anyone.
Method of teaching can greatly affect mental health. I've been witness
to it countless times. The damage produced by overly controlling
parents and schooling isn't as apparent in some kids, but it's still
damaging them.
Unschooling isn't a teaching method. It isn't a schooling method.
Unschooling is saying that there is no need for a method of any
kind...that humans learn just fine without any of that bullcrap.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Sylvia Toyama
~~It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled,
unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has
nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.~~
While I agree that tragedy can strike anyone, I don't believe that
method of schooling has no effect on mental health. If that were true,
then unschooling wouldn't be my best option. But it is.
****
I"m with Ren. I think overly controlling homeschooling can (and does) affect a child/person's mental health, and overall character. I know of one local family -- the Mom is very controlling, a real micro-manager. They use Well-Trained Mind, tho I'm pretty sure it's because she's a control-freak that she chose that curriculum. One of her sons is just about he meanest, sneakiest child I've ever seen. Perfectly able to put on the sweetest face for almost anyone, but turn your back and he and his best friend (a kid whose Mom vaccilates between benign neglect and over-control) are terrorizing every smaller child within sight. It's ugly.
Sylvia
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unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has
nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.~~
While I agree that tragedy can strike anyone, I don't believe that
method of schooling has no effect on mental health. If that were true,
then unschooling wouldn't be my best option. But it is.
****
I"m with Ren. I think overly controlling homeschooling can (and does) affect a child/person's mental health, and overall character. I know of one local family -- the Mom is very controlling, a real micro-manager. They use Well-Trained Mind, tho I'm pretty sure it's because she's a control-freak that she chose that curriculum. One of her sons is just about he meanest, sneakiest child I've ever seen. Perfectly able to put on the sweetest face for almost anyone, but turn your back and he and his best friend (a kid whose Mom vaccilates between benign neglect and over-control) are terrorizing every smaller child within sight. It's ugly.
Sylvia
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Lorrie
After I wrote that, I did stop and think about some of the other homeschoolers we have been involved with in the past. It is true that there are alot of control freaks out there and I have seen the results of how some of these kids ended up.
It was a shame to see how many of my kids friends were sheltered to the point of not being able to go to the bathroom without their parent's permission. Well, not really, but you get the point. It is even worse to see how some of them turned out. I was the one who was always looked down on for being divorced, an unschooler, and let my kids dress and where their hair any way they wanted to. I am not bragging here or even saying OMG my kids are perfect. But in the end my 22 year old is straight edge, works with mentally retarded adults and is in a serious relationship. My 16 year old is also straight edge, which by the way wasn't my doing, they decided this all on their own, makes jewelry to sell at a monthly market and met a boy that lives 5 hours away 2 years ago, but both have worked to keep the relationship going. He is moving here in August to go to college and eventually ask my daughter to marry him.
So after my being pretty much shunned along with my kids for 8 years living out here, this is how they turned out.
The kids they encountered along the way have not done so well. One is not married and has a 2 year old already, another moved out as soon as she turned 18, and is living in a terrible area, but has the freedom she was seeking all along. I could go on and on but I won't. All this has done is proved to me that in the end I did do something right.
So yes, some homeschool parents can cause mental anguish to their kids, but any parent can do that, homeschooler or not.
This area I am in is notorious for over controlling cookie cutter families. And I have seen the same thing you talked about. A kid who is so perfect in front of his Mom until she isn't around. Then he turns into a terror.
I have dealt with so many different types of people in my lifetime, but the ones out here have been very hard to be around. I have felt alienated ever since we moved here.
lorrie
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From: Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:54:49 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: interesting article needs some attention lol
~~It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled,
unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has
nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.~~
While I agree that tragedy can strike anyone, I don't believe that
method of schooling has no effect on mental health. If that were true,
then unschooling wouldn't be my best option. But it is.
****
I"m with Ren. I think overly controlling homeschooling can (and does) affect a child/person' s mental health, and overall character. I know of one local family -- the Mom is very controlling, a real micro-manager. They use Well-Trained Mind, tho I'm pretty sure it's because she's a control-freak that she chose that curriculum. One of her sons is just about he meanest, sneakiest child I've ever seen. Perfectly able to put on the sweetest face for almost anyone, but turn your back and he and his best friend (a kid whose Mom vaccilates between benign neglect and over-control) are terrorizing every smaller child within sight. It's ugly.
Sylvia
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It was a shame to see how many of my kids friends were sheltered to the point of not being able to go to the bathroom without their parent's permission. Well, not really, but you get the point. It is even worse to see how some of them turned out. I was the one who was always looked down on for being divorced, an unschooler, and let my kids dress and where their hair any way they wanted to. I am not bragging here or even saying OMG my kids are perfect. But in the end my 22 year old is straight edge, works with mentally retarded adults and is in a serious relationship. My 16 year old is also straight edge, which by the way wasn't my doing, they decided this all on their own, makes jewelry to sell at a monthly market and met a boy that lives 5 hours away 2 years ago, but both have worked to keep the relationship going. He is moving here in August to go to college and eventually ask my daughter to marry him.
So after my being pretty much shunned along with my kids for 8 years living out here, this is how they turned out.
The kids they encountered along the way have not done so well. One is not married and has a 2 year old already, another moved out as soon as she turned 18, and is living in a terrible area, but has the freedom she was seeking all along. I could go on and on but I won't. All this has done is proved to me that in the end I did do something right.
So yes, some homeschool parents can cause mental anguish to their kids, but any parent can do that, homeschooler or not.
This area I am in is notorious for over controlling cookie cutter families. And I have seen the same thing you talked about. A kid who is so perfect in front of his Mom until she isn't around. Then he turns into a terror.
I have dealt with so many different types of people in my lifetime, but the ones out here have been very hard to be around. I have felt alienated ever since we moved here.
lorrie
----- Original Message ----
From: Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:54:49 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: interesting article needs some attention lol
~~It doesn't matter where you live or if kids are homeschooled,
unschooled, public, private, whatever. The method of teaching has
nothing to do with how a kid turns out mentally.~~
While I agree that tragedy can strike anyone, I don't believe that
method of schooling has no effect on mental health. If that were true,
then unschooling wouldn't be my best option. But it is.
****
I"m with Ren. I think overly controlling homeschooling can (and does) affect a child/person' s mental health, and overall character. I know of one local family -- the Mom is very controlling, a real micro-manager. They use Well-Trained Mind, tho I'm pretty sure it's because she's a control-freak that she chose that curriculum. One of her sons is just about he meanest, sneakiest child I've ever seen. Perfectly able to put on the sweetest face for almost anyone, but turn your back and he and his best friend (a kid whose Mom vaccilates between benign neglect and over-control) are terrorizing every smaller child within sight. It's ugly.
Sylvia
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In a message dated 6/6/2007 8:54:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
threeboorads@... writes:
Did anyone notice that the most ARTICULATE responses
to this goofball's article came from homeschoolers?
Gotta love it... :)
And the ones with the best spelling, too :) lol!
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threeboorads@... writes:
Did anyone notice that the most ARTICULATE responses
to this goofball's article came from homeschoolers?
Gotta love it... :)
And the ones with the best spelling, too :) lol!
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From: Lorrie <iamhisservant4ever@...>
The method of teaching has nothing to do with how a kid turns out
mentally.
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Some of it can be genetic. Some chemical.
I think most of it has to do with control and coercion.
Teaching method would have a LOT to do with that!
~Kelly
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From: Lorrie <iamhisservant4ever@...>
The method of teaching has nothing to do with how a kid turns out
mentally.
-=-=-=-
Some of it can be genetic. Some chemical.
I think most of it has to do with control and coercion.
Teaching method would have a LOT to do with that!
~Kelly
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