Question...
Tina
I have been considering sharing more about home/unschooling with Pat,
my fiance', in order to encourage him with his youngest, Amie and
Andrew. I have wanted to include them in our homeschooling journey
ever since it began years ago.
Now that I am familiar with and currently living the unschooling way
it seems even more realistic for him to be able to do this with
them. They have actually asked me on several occassions to
homeschool them, but to this point it's not an option. The more I
learn, the more of an option it becomes in my mind. Who knows, right?
What I am wondering about is this. I know that anyone can go to
college, but how does it work with the military? Andrew is 12, and
he's been military bound since he was about six. I never thought I
would encourage a child in this direction, but he lives and breathes
everything military. He wants to fly. If a child is unschooled, how
does it affect them enlisting in the service? Anyone know about how
this works?
Thanks - Tina
my fiance', in order to encourage him with his youngest, Amie and
Andrew. I have wanted to include them in our homeschooling journey
ever since it began years ago.
Now that I am familiar with and currently living the unschooling way
it seems even more realistic for him to be able to do this with
them. They have actually asked me on several occassions to
homeschool them, but to this point it's not an option. The more I
learn, the more of an option it becomes in my mind. Who knows, right?
What I am wondering about is this. I know that anyone can go to
college, but how does it work with the military? Andrew is 12, and
he's been military bound since he was about six. I never thought I
would encourage a child in this direction, but he lives and breathes
everything military. He wants to fly. If a child is unschooled, how
does it affect them enlisting in the service? Anyone know about how
this works?
Thanks - Tina
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:31:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
zoocrew@... writes:
What I am wondering about is this. I know that anyone can go to
college, but how does it work with the military? Andrew is 12, and
he's been military bound since he was about six. I never thought I
would encourage a child in this direction, but he lives and breathes
everything military. He wants to fly. If a child is unschooled, how
does it affect them enlisting in the service? Anyone know about how
this works?<<<<
Not an expert, by any means, but husband's a Citadel grad....
If he wants to fly, he'll be an officer. Officer's must have a college
degree. So it would be the same childhood----no special classes.
He would need to go to a military school, like The Citadel or VMI, get a
congressional appointment to one of the academies (Army, Navy, Air Force), or
attend any school with a ROTC program----just like any other future officer. He
could also just go to any old college, get a degree, and then apply to go to
officer training school (OTS).
If he just wants to enlist at 18, he *might* need a diploma. I'm not sure
how keen the armed services are about taking homeschoolers. The really need
soldiers to act without questioning, to follow orders. Critical thinkers can
slow an army down!
~Kelly
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zoocrew@... writes:
What I am wondering about is this. I know that anyone can go to
college, but how does it work with the military? Andrew is 12, and
he's been military bound since he was about six. I never thought I
would encourage a child in this direction, but he lives and breathes
everything military. He wants to fly. If a child is unschooled, how
does it affect them enlisting in the service? Anyone know about how
this works?<<<<
Not an expert, by any means, but husband's a Citadel grad....
If he wants to fly, he'll be an officer. Officer's must have a college
degree. So it would be the same childhood----no special classes.
He would need to go to a military school, like The Citadel or VMI, get a
congressional appointment to one of the academies (Army, Navy, Air Force), or
attend any school with a ROTC program----just like any other future officer. He
could also just go to any old college, get a degree, and then apply to go to
officer training school (OTS).
If he just wants to enlist at 18, he *might* need a diploma. I'm not sure
how keen the armed services are about taking homeschoolers. The really need
soldiers to act without questioning, to follow orders. Critical thinkers can
slow an army down!
~Kelly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
heather mclean
<<<<What I am wondering about is this. I know that
anyone can go to college, but how does it work with
the military? Andrew is 12, and he's been military
bound since he was about six. I never thought I would
encourage a child in this direction, but he lives and
breathes everything military. He wants to fly. If a
child is unschooled, how does it affect them
enlisting in the service? Anyone know about how this
works?<<<<
This was recently posted on another list (WNLA -
Washington Natural Learners Assoc). Thought you might
be interested....
heather m in tucson
Some of you may know that the military services were
conducting a five-year pilot study of homeschool
enlistees. That study concluded last year and the
report was issued in Janaury. The report recently
became available online and I've written a short
article with reference links (available at the
website).
Feel free to pass the link on to anyone else you know
who may be interested.
Valerie
==========================================
http://www.militaryhomeschoolers.com/
Military Enlistment by Homeschooled Graduates
Military service is not often the first thing that
comes to mind when one thinks about the aspirations of
homeschooled children (even military Brats), but
still, it is the choice of some. Because of the clash
between the sometimes 'loose' homeschooling style, and
the distinctly 'unloose' style of the military,
homeschooled teens without college credit hours have
found it difficult to enlist in the military. Some of
those homeschooling parents took their concerns to
HSLDA, and in 1998 an amendment to H.R. 3616, the
Defense Authorization Bill, was made establishing a
five-year pilot program to allow homeschooled
graduates to enlist in the military services as Tier I
recruits instead of Tier II recruits.** This amendment
was not universally
cheered in homeschooling circles.
Last year the study concluded, and in January of this
year the study was published but was not available
online until recently: Final Analysis of Evaluation of
Homeschool and ChalleNGe Program Recruits. The results
aren't what many expected. Homeschooled recruits do
not have as good a record in completing initial
enlistments, or in re-upping, as do high school
graduates.
Because of the expense of training military recruits,
"Attrition is costly to both the military and the
taxpayer--estimated at $18,400 per premature
separation in 1987 dollars (Laurence 1987)," the
military services want to recruit the people who show
the best record of returning value for the cost
of training (i.e., they complete their enlistments,
they re-up). It must be remembered that service in the
military is not a right, it is a privilege. Because
of the special nature of military service,
restrictions are placed on the people who are allowed
to join.
Concerning Tier assignment of homeschooled applicants,
the report's recommendation is: "Given that tier
placement is based on attrition rates, the data do not
support considering ChalleNGe or homeschooled recruits
on a par with high school diploma graduates or
permanently placing these credentials in Tier 1."
(page 51 of the report)
If a homeschooled teen wishes to join the service, and
to be considered as Tier I, the chances of enlistment
will be enhanced by taking college courses
and accruing a minimum of 15 credit hours. Otherwise,
check with a recruiter for the service under
consideration. Other alternatives are to acquire a
college degree and either enlist or be commissioned as
an officer, or to seek admittance to one of the
service academies. (see the Beyond Homeschooling page)
============================================================================
**Tier II recruits are alternative-diploma holders,
not drop-outs; Tier III persons are those who hold no
secondary school diploma and, unless they have
exceptionally high scores, are not recruited.
The misinformation on many homeschool websites about
homeschoolers being 'discriminated against' concerning
military recruitment was not 'discrimination.' The
Tier II categorization was based on the military's
experience with traditional high school graduates,
non-traditional graduates and non-diploma holders
(many of whom were probably drop-outs). If you want to
play in the Establishment's game, you have to jump
through the Establishment's hoops.
=========================================================================
anyone can go to college, but how does it work with
the military? Andrew is 12, and he's been military
bound since he was about six. I never thought I would
encourage a child in this direction, but he lives and
breathes everything military. He wants to fly. If a
child is unschooled, how does it affect them
enlisting in the service? Anyone know about how this
works?<<<<
This was recently posted on another list (WNLA -
Washington Natural Learners Assoc). Thought you might
be interested....
heather m in tucson
Some of you may know that the military services were
conducting a five-year pilot study of homeschool
enlistees. That study concluded last year and the
report was issued in Janaury. The report recently
became available online and I've written a short
article with reference links (available at the
website).
Feel free to pass the link on to anyone else you know
who may be interested.
Valerie
==========================================
http://www.militaryhomeschoolers.com/
Military Enlistment by Homeschooled Graduates
Military service is not often the first thing that
comes to mind when one thinks about the aspirations of
homeschooled children (even military Brats), but
still, it is the choice of some. Because of the clash
between the sometimes 'loose' homeschooling style, and
the distinctly 'unloose' style of the military,
homeschooled teens without college credit hours have
found it difficult to enlist in the military. Some of
those homeschooling parents took their concerns to
HSLDA, and in 1998 an amendment to H.R. 3616, the
Defense Authorization Bill, was made establishing a
five-year pilot program to allow homeschooled
graduates to enlist in the military services as Tier I
recruits instead of Tier II recruits.** This amendment
was not universally
cheered in homeschooling circles.
Last year the study concluded, and in January of this
year the study was published but was not available
online until recently: Final Analysis of Evaluation of
Homeschool and ChalleNGe Program Recruits. The results
aren't what many expected. Homeschooled recruits do
not have as good a record in completing initial
enlistments, or in re-upping, as do high school
graduates.
Because of the expense of training military recruits,
"Attrition is costly to both the military and the
taxpayer--estimated at $18,400 per premature
separation in 1987 dollars (Laurence 1987)," the
military services want to recruit the people who show
the best record of returning value for the cost
of training (i.e., they complete their enlistments,
they re-up). It must be remembered that service in the
military is not a right, it is a privilege. Because
of the special nature of military service,
restrictions are placed on the people who are allowed
to join.
Concerning Tier assignment of homeschooled applicants,
the report's recommendation is: "Given that tier
placement is based on attrition rates, the data do not
support considering ChalleNGe or homeschooled recruits
on a par with high school diploma graduates or
permanently placing these credentials in Tier 1."
(page 51 of the report)
If a homeschooled teen wishes to join the service, and
to be considered as Tier I, the chances of enlistment
will be enhanced by taking college courses
and accruing a minimum of 15 credit hours. Otherwise,
check with a recruiter for the service under
consideration. Other alternatives are to acquire a
college degree and either enlist or be commissioned as
an officer, or to seek admittance to one of the
service academies. (see the Beyond Homeschooling page)
============================================================================
**Tier II recruits are alternative-diploma holders,
not drop-outs; Tier III persons are those who hold no
secondary school diploma and, unless they have
exceptionally high scores, are not recruited.
The misinformation on many homeschool websites about
homeschoolers being 'discriminated against' concerning
military recruitment was not 'discrimination.' The
Tier II categorization was based on the military's
experience with traditional high school graduates,
non-traditional graduates and non-diploma holders
(many of whom were probably drop-outs). If you want to
play in the Establishment's game, you have to jump
through the Establishment's hoops.
=========================================================================
Tina
Thanks for this information! I am SO glad I asked about this. It
gives me much more to consider. Seems strange to think that it may
not be in his best interest to be homeschooled. My mind just is not
used to thinking that way...
Thanks again - Tina
gives me much more to consider. Seems strange to think that it may
not be in his best interest to be homeschooled. My mind just is not
used to thinking that way...
Thanks again - Tina
wine_2_water
Tina,
You can go to www.military.com and they let you get "insider
information" about recruiting and exactly what the process and
requirements are. You sign up for the branches you want to know
about and I think they email you all of the information. They may
be able to shed some light on it for you.
Good luck and keep us posted. :)
JAG
--- In [email protected], "Tina" <zoocrew@w...>
wrote:
You can go to www.military.com and they let you get "insider
information" about recruiting and exactly what the process and
requirements are. You sign up for the branches you want to know
about and I think they email you all of the information. They may
be able to shed some light on it for you.
Good luck and keep us posted. :)
JAG
--- In [email protected], "Tina" <zoocrew@w...>
wrote:
> Thanks for this information! I am SO glad I asked about this. Itmay
> gives me much more to consider. Seems strange to think that it
> not be in his best interest to be homeschooled. My mind just isnot
> used to thinking that way...
>
> Thanks again - Tina
mamaaj2000
--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
into college shouldn't be a problem, but I don't know how easy/hard
it would be to get into ROTC coming from homeschooling.
Dh mentioned something about the Nat'l Guard being able to appoint
people to the academies, so maybe some college classes and Nat'l
Guard service is another path to an academy--if he's at all
interested in that path.
--aj
> In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:31:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,college
> If he wants to fly, he'll be an officer. Officer's must have a
> degree. So it would be the same childhood----no special classes.get a
>
> He would need to go to a military school, like The Citadel or VMI,
> congressional appointment to one of the academies (Army, Navy, AirForce), or
> attend any school with a ROTC program----just like any other futureofficer. He
> could also just go to any old college, get a degree, and then applyto go to
> officer training school (OTS).Right. Flying means being an officer, which means college. Getting
into college shouldn't be a problem, but I don't know how easy/hard
it would be to get into ROTC coming from homeschooling.
Dh mentioned something about the Nat'l Guard being able to appoint
people to the academies, so maybe some college classes and Nat'l
Guard service is another path to an academy--if he's at all
interested in that path.
--aj