beautifulsassyprincess
I am new to homeschooling,that i don't know wear to start.M children
are 2,3 and 4.5 yrs old.
I want to find ways to teach,keep it fun and there attention at the
same time.
Are here an suggestions?
are 2,3 and 4.5 yrs old.
I want to find ways to teach,keep it fun and there attention at the
same time.
Are here an suggestions?
David Johnson
Play! Let them play, play, play with open-ended materials (blocks,
paper, cloth, crayons, etc). Tell them stories, read stories to them,
let them help with the household work (baking, sweeping, dusting,
gardening, washing (by hand, I mean), etc. Answer their questions
briefly and explore what THEY are interested in!
Have a blast!
~Melissa :-)
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I am new to homeschooling,-that i don't know wear to start.M children
are 2,3 and 4.5 yrs old.
I want to find ways to teach,keep it fun and there attention at the
same time.
Are here an suggestions?
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paper, cloth, crayons, etc). Tell them stories, read stories to them,
let them help with the household work (baking, sweeping, dusting,
gardening, washing (by hand, I mean), etc. Answer their questions
briefly and explore what THEY are interested in!
Have a blast!
~Melissa :-)
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I am new to homeschooling,-that i don't know wear to start.M children
are 2,3 and 4.5 yrs old.
I want to find ways to teach,keep it fun and there attention at the
same time.
Are here an suggestions?
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himself. he googles it all by himself. But To me it looks like he does
it too much on the computer. Is that okay? Or its the deschooling
thing? I have been trying to offer him to do other things like
playing, drawing, reading him a book, helping me in household things..
but he isn't interested. When he has playdates, if he didn't finish a
movie or a game he insists to finish it before he goes.
Is everything okay with that?
If my family would know that my son is on computer so much now, they
will freak out!!
Thank you
Sara
wrote:
>My son loves the computer games and movies. he found them all by
> Play! Let them play, play, play with open-ended materials (blocks,
> paper, cloth, crayons, etc). Tell them stories, read stories to them,
> let them help with the household work (baking, sweeping, dusting,
> gardening, washing (by hand, I mean), etc. Answer their questions
> briefly and explore what THEY are interested in!
>
> Have a blast!
>
> ~Melissa :-)
himself. he googles it all by himself. But To me it looks like he does
it too much on the computer. Is that okay? Or its the deschooling
thing? I have been trying to offer him to do other things like
playing, drawing, reading him a book, helping me in household things..
but he isn't interested. When he has playdates, if he didn't finish a
movie or a game he insists to finish it before he goes.
Is everything okay with that?
If my family would know that my son is on computer so much now, they
will freak out!!
Thank you
Sara
David Johnson
Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
at such a young age. Of course, I�ll get flamed for that statement on
this list but I feel it needs to be said. I would limit or eliminate
computer use. Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands of
years� the outdoors, rocks, paper, drawing implements (crayons, pencils,
chalk, whatever), fabric, sticks, logs, blocks, etc.. I have to say
that once we got rid of cable tv (there is only snow on our tv�s, no
reception), it was no longer a crutch to rely on when one was trying to
find something to do. People remark how WELL our children play, how
content they seem to be with simple toys, esp. ones that don�t make
beeping noises or flashing lights. Of course, if they see these at a
friend�s house, that�s fine and they ooh and ahh over them but they know
that that�s that. ;) What kills me is that is actually NORMAL play!
Children are being wayyyy to entertained by all these gadgets and gizmos
at such young ages. My .02 :-)
~Melissa :-)
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himself. he googles it all by himself. But To me it looks like he does
it too much on the computer. Is that okay? Or its the deschooling
thing? I have been trying to offer him to do other things like
playing, drawing, reading him a book, helping me in household things..
but he isn't interested. When he has playdates, if he didn't finish a
movie or a game he insists to finish it before he goes.
Is everything okay with that?
If my family would know that my son is on computer so much now, they
will freak out!!
Thank you
Sara
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Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
at such a young age. Of course, I�ll get flamed for that statement on
this list but I feel it needs to be said. I would limit or eliminate
computer use. Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands of
years� the outdoors, rocks, paper, drawing implements (crayons, pencils,
chalk, whatever), fabric, sticks, logs, blocks, etc.. I have to say
that once we got rid of cable tv (there is only snow on our tv�s, no
reception), it was no longer a crutch to rely on when one was trying to
find something to do. People remark how WELL our children play, how
content they seem to be with simple toys, esp. ones that don�t make
beeping noises or flashing lights. Of course, if they see these at a
friend�s house, that�s fine and they ooh and ahh over them but they know
that that�s that. ;) What kills me is that is actually NORMAL play!
Children are being wayyyy to entertained by all these gadgets and gizmos
at such young ages. My .02 :-)
~Melissa :-)
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sara
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: (unknown)
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ps.-com, "David Johnson" <dj250@...>
wrote:
>My son loves the computer games and movies. he found them all by
> Play! Let them play, play, play with open-ended materials (blocks,
> paper, cloth, crayons, etc). Tell them stories, read stories to them,
> let them help with the household work (baking, sweeping, dusting,
> gardening, washing (by hand, I mean), etc. Answer their questions
> briefly and explore what THEY are interested in!
>
> Have a blast!
>
> ~Melissa :-)
himself. he googles it all by himself. But To me it looks like he does
it too much on the computer. Is that okay? Or its the deschooling
thing? I have been trying to offer him to do other things like
playing, drawing, reading him a book, helping me in household things..
but he isn't interested. When he has playdates, if he didn't finish a
movie or a game he insists to finish it before he goes.
Is everything okay with that?
If my family would know that my son is on computer so much now, they
will freak out!!
Thank you
Sara
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wrote:
science" that has grown up over the past few decades. It used to be
called "library science". Does that help you feel better about it?
Keep in mind that you have a lot more deschooling to do than your
kids.
From an unschooling perspective, a kid spending Lots of time doing
anything is filling a need and/or following a passion. That's Great!
People of all age learn best persuing things that interest them. In
persuit of passions people learn *amazing* things.
page of math problem, would you be okay with him "finishing" before
going to do something fun? This is part of supporting his learning
process - he gets to decide what's important enough to "finish" and
what can wait. Or be discarded.
we're frisking about the park picking wildflowers while other kids
are in school (guess what I did yesterday!) but it's true. We have
to be bigger than our fears of being called bad moms, bigger than
our fear of failure. You don't have to tell everything to everyone -
you don't have to set yourself up to be criticized! But you do need
to learn how to ignore the voices in your head that are saying "bad,
can't, wrong, don't, lose, fail, potential, future, control, and
NO." And that takes some courage and some trust in yourself.
That was the hard part for me. I can trust my kids. It took me
awhile to be able to trust myself.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
wrote:
> My son loves the computer games and movies. he found them all bydoes
> himself. he googles it all by himself. But To me it looks like he
> it too much on the computer. Is that okay? Or its the deschoolingIt *is* okay. There's a whole field of study called "information
> thing?
science" that has grown up over the past few decades. It used to be
called "library science". Does that help you feel better about it?
Keep in mind that you have a lot more deschooling to do than your
kids.
From an unschooling perspective, a kid spending Lots of time doing
anything is filling a need and/or following a passion. That's Great!
People of all age learn best persuing things that interest them. In
persuit of passions people learn *amazing* things.
> When he has playdates, if he didn't finish aThink of it this way - if he were cleaning his room or working a
> movie or a game he insists to finish it before he goes.
> Is everything okay with that?
page of math problem, would you be okay with him "finishing" before
going to do something fun? This is part of supporting his learning
process - he gets to decide what's important enough to "finish" and
what can wait. Or be discarded.
> If my family would know that my son is on computer so much now,they
> will freak out!!Unschooling takes courage. It doesn't always seem that way when
we're frisking about the park picking wildflowers while other kids
are in school (guess what I did yesterday!) but it's true. We have
to be bigger than our fears of being called bad moms, bigger than
our fear of failure. You don't have to tell everything to everyone -
you don't have to set yourself up to be criticized! But you do need
to learn how to ignore the voices in your head that are saying "bad,
can't, wrong, don't, lose, fail, potential, future, control, and
NO." And that takes some courage and some trust in yourself.
That was the hard part for me. I can trust my kids. It took me
awhile to be able to trust myself.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
Lisa Heyman
Marideth. can i quote you on this? this is exactly what my talk at the L&L
conference will be about.
Lisa Heyman
It�s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips
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Lisa Heyman
>Unschooling takes courage. It doesn't always seem that way when_________________________________________________________________
>we're frisking about the park picking wildflowers while other kids
>are in school (guess what I did yesterday!) but it's true. We have
>to be bigger than our fears of being called bad moms, bigger than
>our fear of failure. You don't have to tell everything to everyone -
>you don't have to set yourself up to be criticized! But you do need
>to learn how to ignore the voices in your head that are saying "bad,
>can't, wrong, don't, lose, fail, potential, future, control, and
>NO." And that takes some courage and some trust in yourself.
>
>That was the hard part for me. I can trust my kids. It took me
>awhile to be able to trust myself.
>
>---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
>
It�s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline
Lisa Heyman
>Personally, and from increasing research findings and myYou're right you probably will be 'flamed' on this point. You know, there
>Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
>at such a young age. Of course, I�ll get flamed for that statement on
>this list but I feel it needs to be said. I would limit or eliminate
>computer use.
was a time that books were considered 'bad' for the masses as well...<bwg>
Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
>less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands ofdon't forget boxes....cardboard boxes have been one of the best 'toys' ever
>years� the outdoors, rocks, paper, drawing implements (crayons, pencils,
>chalk, whatever), fabric, sticks, logs, blocks, etc.. I have to say
>that once we got rid of cable tv (there is only snow on our tv�s, no
>reception), it was no longer a crutch to rely on when one was trying to
>find something to do.
in our house...and this is from kids who have unlimited access to tv and
computers.
People remark how WELL our children play, how
>content they seem to be with simple toys, esp. ones that don�t makeAgain, my kids get these same comments...and don't forget how wonderful they
>beeping noises or flashing lights.
are with other children and adults and each other....and this from kids who
have unlimited access to tvs and computers.
>Of course, if they see these at aand they know that they are limited in their choices.
>friend�s house, that�s fine and they ooh and ahh over them but they know
>that that�s that. ;)
>What kills me is that is actually NORMAL play!Oh dear, oh dear, we mustn't entertain our children by gadgets and gizmos
>Children are being wayyyy to entertained by all these gadgets and gizmos
>at such young ages. My .02 :-)
>
<g> when are they of age that they may be entertained by gadgets and
gizmos? gadgets and gizmos are facinating and intriging and curious and
stimulating and how the heck do they work anyway...when is a person of age
to be introduced to the mechanical technological inatruments without feeling
guilty for their interest in something that you judge negatively?
Ah - perhaps i'm wrong...i don't think my kids have been harmed by
computers...well i suppose it is a matter of opinion as they also haven't
been included in the 'research' to prove otherwise.
Lisa heyman
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My daughters love boxes. Not the older one as much anymore, but when she was
little she would sleep in them in the living room. I have some really cute
pictures of her snuggled up at the age of 7 or so in her big box. I remember
a friend making the comment that most mom's would let there kids play in the
box in the a couple days then it had to go, and she thought it was great
that I let them keep them until they HAD to trashed because they were
falling apart. Some of the really big ones have went to the shed for while
just to come in again another time. The youngest still loves them any size
if she sees one, it's hers.
Tracy
Cory 13 Kensy 5
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Re: (unknown)
was a time that books were considered 'bad' for the masses as well...<bwg>
Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
in our house...and this is from kids who have unlimited access to tv and
computers.
People remark how WELL our children play, how
are with other children and adults and each other....and this from kids who
have unlimited access to tvs and computers.
<g> when are they of age that they may be entertained by gadgets and
gizmos? gadgets and gizmos are facinating and intriging and curious and
stimulating and how the heck do they work anyway...when is a person of age
to be introduced to the mechanical technological inatruments without feeling
guilty for their interest in something that you judge negatively?
Ah - perhaps i'm wrong...i don't think my kids have been harmed by
computers...well i suppose it is a matter of opinion as they also haven't
been included in the 'research' to prove otherwise.
Lisa heyman
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little she would sleep in them in the living room. I have some really cute
pictures of her snuggled up at the age of 7 or so in her big box. I remember
a friend making the comment that most mom's would let there kids play in the
box in the a couple days then it had to go, and she thought it was great
that I let them keep them until they HAD to trashed because they were
falling apart. Some of the really big ones have went to the shed for while
just to come in again another time. The youngest still loves them any size
if she sees one, it's hers.
Tracy
Cory 13 Kensy 5
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[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lisa Heyman
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Re: (unknown)
>Personally, and from increasing research findings and myYou're right you probably will be 'flamed' on this point. You know, there
>Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
>at such a young age. Of course, Ill get flamed for that statement on
>this list but I feel it needs to be said. I would limit or eliminate
>computer use.
was a time that books were considered 'bad' for the masses as well...<bwg>
Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
>less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands ofdon't forget boxes....cardboard boxes have been one of the best 'toys' ever
>years the outdoors, rocks, paper, drawing implements (crayons, pencils,
>chalk, whatever), fabric, sticks, logs, blocks, etc.. I have to say
>that once we got rid of cable tv (there is only snow on our tvs, no
>reception), it was no longer a crutch to rely on when one was trying to
>find something to do.
in our house...and this is from kids who have unlimited access to tv and
computers.
People remark how WELL our children play, how
>content they seem to be with simple toys, esp. ones that dont makeAgain, my kids get these same comments...and don't forget how wonderful they
>beeping noises or flashing lights.
are with other children and adults and each other....and this from kids who
have unlimited access to tvs and computers.
>Of course, if they see these at aand they know that they are limited in their choices.
>friends house, thats fine and they ooh and ahh over them but they know
>that thats that. ;)
>What kills me is that is actually NORMAL play!Oh dear, oh dear, we mustn't entertain our children by gadgets and gizmos
>Children are being wayyyy to entertained by all these gadgets and gizmos
>at such young ages. My .02 :-)
>
<g> when are they of age that they may be entertained by gadgets and
gizmos? gadgets and gizmos are facinating and intriging and curious and
stimulating and how the heck do they work anyway...when is a person of age
to be introduced to the mechanical technological inatruments without feeling
guilty for their interest in something that you judge negatively?
Ah - perhaps i'm wrong...i don't think my kids have been harmed by
computers...well i suppose it is a matter of opinion as they also haven't
been included in the 'research' to prove otherwise.
Lisa heyman
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Georgette Teekel
I firmly agree limit tv time.
Lisa Heyman <Lmanathome@...> wrote: >Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
was a time that books were considered 'bad' for the masses as well...
Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
in our house...and this is from kids who have unlimited access to tv and
computers.
People remark how WELL our children play, how
are with other children and adults and each other....and this from kids who
have unlimited access to tvs and computers.
when are they of age that they may be entertained by gadgets and
gizmos? gadgets and gizmos are facinating and intriging and curious and
stimulating and how the heck do they work anyway...when is a person of age
to be introduced to the mechanical technological inatruments without feeling
guilty for their interest in something that you judge negatively?
Ah - perhaps i'm wrong...i don't think my kids have been harmed by
computers...well i suppose it is a matter of opinion as they also haven't
been included in the 'research' to prove otherwise.
Lisa heyman
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Lisa Heyman <Lmanathome@...> wrote: >Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
>Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmfulYou're right you probably will be 'flamed' on this point. You know, there
>at such a young age. Of course, Ill get flamed for that statement on
>this list but I feel it needs to be said. I would limit or eliminate
>computer use.
was a time that books were considered 'bad' for the masses as well...
Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
>less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands ofdon't forget boxes....cardboard boxes have been one of the best 'toys' ever
>years the outdoors, rocks, paper, drawing implements (crayons, pencils,
>chalk, whatever), fabric, sticks, logs, blocks, etc.. I have to say
>that once we got rid of cable tv (there is only snow on our tvs, no
>reception), it was no longer a crutch to rely on when one was trying to
>find something to do.
in our house...and this is from kids who have unlimited access to tv and
computers.
People remark how WELL our children play, how
>content they seem to be with simple toys, esp. ones that dont makeAgain, my kids get these same comments...and don't forget how wonderful they
>beeping noises or flashing lights.
are with other children and adults and each other....and this from kids who
have unlimited access to tvs and computers.
>Of course, if they see these at aand they know that they are limited in their choices.
>friends house, thats fine and they ooh and ahh over them but they know
>that thats that. ;)
>What kills me is that is actually NORMAL play!Oh dear, oh dear, we mustn't entertain our children by gadgets and gizmos
>Children are being wayyyy to entertained by all these gadgets and gizmos
>at such young ages. My .02 :-)
>
when are they of age that they may be entertained by gadgets and
gizmos? gadgets and gizmos are facinating and intriging and curious and
stimulating and how the heck do they work anyway...when is a person of age
to be introduced to the mechanical technological inatruments without feeling
guilty for their interest in something that you judge negatively?
Ah - perhaps i'm wrong...i don't think my kids have been harmed by
computers...well i suppose it is a matter of opinion as they also haven't
been included in the 'research' to prove otherwise.
Lisa heyman
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I firmly agree limit tv time.
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And would you like to go into detail about why tv should be limited?
~Kelly
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I firmly agree limit tv time.
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And would you like to go into detail about why tv should be limited?
~Kelly
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TV,to a point is good.For example:I have young ones that LOVE Dora and Seame Street.We watch both of those and turn the TV off until night fall.
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I firmly agree limit tv time.
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~Kelly
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I firmly agree limit tv time.
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~Kelly
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TV,to a point is good.For example:I have young ones that LOVE Dora
and Seame
Street.We watch both of those and turn the TV off until night fall.
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You didn't tell me why you think it should be limited.
Why, in your experience, should TV be limited?
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From: beautifulsassyprincess@...
TV,to a point is good.For example:I have young ones that LOVE Dora
and Seame
Street.We watch both of those and turn the TV off until night fall.
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You didn't tell me why you think it should be limited.
Why, in your experience, should TV be limited?
~Kelly
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>From: Georgette Teekel <beautifulsassyprincess@...>Why? To what purpose and by whose decision? Have you ever let your kids
>TV,to a point is good.For example:I have young ones that LOVE Dora and
>Seame Street.We watch both of those and turn the TV off until night fall.
>
choose to have tv on if they desire? What are you afraid of? How can they
learn what they like or don't like if you limit their exposure? Do you not
trust them to know what is interesting, entertaining or simply boring? Not
that tv is necessary - but by making TV just another object in the house it
demystifies, destigmatizes and has no power. No more or less than books or
other tools, objects or toys <g>
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Schafer Vanessa
We don't really limit t.v. We watch how things are
made, and mythbusters alot. There are alot of shows
that are educational, and some that we watch together
as a family. T.v. is not all bad. If you are
uncomfortable with it, watch with your children, and
see what they are interested in. Just a thought.
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made, and mythbusters alot. There are alot of shows
that are educational, and some that we watch together
as a family. T.v. is not all bad. If you are
uncomfortable with it, watch with your children, and
see what they are interested in. Just a thought.
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> From: beautifulsassyprincess@...
>
> I firmly agree limit tv time.
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> And would you like to go into detail about why tv
> should be limited?
>
>
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
>
>
>
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There are so many fun things on to watch with the kids. We enjoy Meercat
Manor and Mythbusters (especially if they are making something explode!
LOL) I also really like watching The Suite Life of Zack and Cody with
them. Its hilarious!
Erica
Manor and Mythbusters (especially if they are making something explode!
LOL) I also really like watching The Suite Life of Zack and Cody with
them. Its hilarious!
Erica
On 3/22/07, Schafer Vanessa <psychomom95@...> wrote:
>
> We don't really limit t.v. We watch how things are
> made, and mythbusters alot. There are alot of shows
> that are educational, and some that we watch together
> as a family. T.v. is not all bad. If you are
> uncomfortable with it, watch with your children, and
> see what they are interested in. Just a thought.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: beautifulsassyprincess@...<beautifulsassyprincess%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > I firmly agree limit tv time.
> >
> > -=-=-=-
> >
> > And would you like to go into detail about why tv
> > should be limited?
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Kelly
> >
> > Kelly Lovejoy
> > Conference Coordinator
> > Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> > http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
> >
> >
> >
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We got rid of our TV before our children were born. Had nothing to do with children, just that Star Trek Next Generation went off the air, dh didn't like the newer Star Treks and I'd always wanted to live with the TV anyway. We very occasionally rent DVDs to watch on the computer or when we're at grandparents' houses, but basically we're just not big TV or movie people ourselves and the children certainly don't ask for it. (Actually, it was kind of a bummer the last time we stayed in a hotel because they kept bouncing on the beds and I hoped that the TV would entertain them as a novelty. It didn't.)
Sooo... would you go out and get a TV in order that the children had exposure to it? (I have to say I'm not considering that, but I'm curious what others think.)
Katharine (who did spend a large portion of Christmas vacation watching most of the first season of Gilmore Girls with her sister who had gotten the DVD as a present for our mom -- who didn't have time then to watch with us!)
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-my four older children would squabble over who sat where on the sofa
till one day I walked in to find each of them in a "cat box", fairly
small cardboard boxes from the greengrocers, even our 10yo! no more
squabbles!!!
ps. I went to counseling for cat phobia so the children had a good
laugh meowing at me!
cara
-- In [email protected], "Tracy J Wagner"
<TWAGNER3@...> wrote:
till one day I walked in to find each of them in a "cat box", fairly
small cardboard boxes from the greengrocers, even our 10yo! no more
squabbles!!!
ps. I went to counseling for cat phobia so the children had a good
laugh meowing at me!
cara
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<TWAGNER3@...> wrote:
>she was
> My daughters love boxes. Not the older one as much anymore, but when
> little she would sleep in them in the living room. I have somereally cute
> pictures of her snuggled up at the age of 7 or so in her big box. Iremember
> a friend making the comment that most mom's would let there kidsplay in the
> box in the a couple days then it had to go, and she thought it was greatwhile
> that I let them keep them until they HAD to trashed because they were
> falling apart. Some of the really big ones have went to the shed for
> just to come in again another time. The youngest still loves themany size
> if she sees one, it's hers.there
> Tracy
> Cory 13 Kensy 5
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lisa Heyman
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:03 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Re: (unknown)
>
>
> >Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
> >Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
> >at such a young age. Of course, I'll get flamed for that statement on
> >this list but I feel it needs to be said. I would limit or eliminate
> >computer use.
>
> You're right you probably will be 'flamed' on this point. You know,
> was a time that books were considered 'bad' for the masses aswell...<bwg>
>pencils,
> Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
> >less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands of
> >years the outdoors, rocks, paper, drawing implements (crayons,
> >chalk, whatever), fabric, sticks, logs, blocks, etc.. I have to say'toys' ever
> >that once we got rid of cable tv (there is only snow on our tv's, no
> >reception), it was no longer a crutch to rely on when one was trying to
> >find something to do.
>
> don't forget boxes....cardboard boxes have been one of the best
> in our house...and this is from kids who have unlimited access to tv andwonderful they
> computers.
>
>
> People remark how WELL our children play, how
> >content they seem to be with simple toys, esp. ones that don't make
> >beeping noises or flashing lights.
>
> Again, my kids get these same comments...and don't forget how
> are with other children and adults and each other....and this fromkids who
> have unlimited access to tvs and computers.know
>
> >Of course, if they see these at a
> >friend's house, that's fine and they ooh and ahh over them but they
> >that that's that. ;)gizmos
>
> and they know that they are limited in their choices.
>
> >What kills me is that is actually NORMAL play!
> >Children are being wayyyy to entertained by all these gadgets and
> >at such young ages. My .02 :-)gizmos
> >
>
> Oh dear, oh dear, we mustn't entertain our children by gadgets and
> <g> when are they of age that they may be entertained by gadgets andof age
> gizmos? gadgets and gizmos are facinating and intriging and curious and
> stimulating and how the heck do they work anyway...when is a person
> to be introduced to the mechanical technological inatruments withoutfeeling
> guilty for their interest in something that you judge negatively?haven't
>
> Ah - perhaps i'm wrong...i don't think my kids have been harmed by
> computers...well i suppose it is a matter of opinion as they also
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Just wanted to clarify that it was not THIS Melissa who said that. We stopped limiting our
TV/Computer/Videogames two years ago, and EVERYONE has noticed how much more
interactive our kids are, how much joy and excitement we now have in our lives.
Number one is that those items are tools in our life, not icons that 'deserve' worship.
Number two is that I see my three year old has developed very advanced problem solving
skills. He is mechanicially inclined anyway, but the many games and technology that he
has been able to master, take apart, reprogram, has been such a benefit for him. There
has been no negative influence that I have observed, in any of my children. All seven of
them, because even Avari (15 months) can play Super Monkey Ball on the gamecube.
I think you'll get flamed because the studies that 'prove' your statement are flawed in that
there are not children who are receiving the same interaction and support from their
parents. And Waldorf? Isn't that the educational program that doesn't allow toddlers to use
black crayons? That's all I remember from that philosophy.
Melissa, in Oklahoma.
TV/Computer/Videogames two years ago, and EVERYONE has noticed how much more
interactive our kids are, how much joy and excitement we now have in our lives.
Number one is that those items are tools in our life, not icons that 'deserve' worship.
Number two is that I see my three year old has developed very advanced problem solving
skills. He is mechanicially inclined anyway, but the many games and technology that he
has been able to master, take apart, reprogram, has been such a benefit for him. There
has been no negative influence that I have observed, in any of my children. All seven of
them, because even Avari (15 months) can play Super Monkey Ball on the gamecube.
I think you'll get flamed because the studies that 'prove' your statement are flawed in that
there are not children who are receiving the same interaction and support from their
parents. And Waldorf? Isn't that the educational program that doesn't allow toddlers to use
black crayons? That's all I remember from that philosophy.
Melissa, in Oklahoma.
--- In [email protected], "David Johnson" <dj250@...> wrote:
>
> Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
> Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
> at such a young age. Of course, I'll get flamed for that statement on
> this list but I feel it needs to be said. >
> ~Melissa :-)
>
Lisa Heyman
>From: Katharine Wise <katharinewise@...>I am assuming your child has had exposure to tv even if you don't own one.
>Sooo... would you go out and get a TV in order that the children had
>exposure to it? (I have to say I'm not considering that, but I'm curious
>what others think.)
So if your child asked you to get one - it would be no different than your
child asking for a bicycle or library card. TV is another resource, tool
or interest. If you can afford to get one, it shouldn't be limited because
you personally aren't interested. Its about supporting your childs
interest. The question i would have is how much your bias against tv
affects their ability to ask for it if they should want it? Are you open
minded when it comes to something that doesn't interest you or do your
opinions leave little room for your children to dispute?
>too funny...my dd's favorite show is Gilmore Girls...its the only show she
>Katharine (who did spend a large portion of Christmas vacation watching
>most of the first season of Gilmore Girls with her sister who had gotten
>the DVD as a present for our mom -- who didn't have time then to watch with
>us!)
>
considers scheduling life around....so we purchased a vcr in order to record
it when we're on the road. she now owns all the seasons available on DVD
and has admitted that this season is not as interesting...either the writers
are running out of steam or the characters are getting boring.
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In my old "controlling parent" days I thought that I should be ever
vigilant about tv and what my kids were watching and how much they
watched etc. What I have learned over the years is that tv much like
video games and computers (and junk food and lots of other things!)
gain more appeal when made taboo! I observed over the years that
children that visited our home that came from tv limiting homes would
sit and watch ANYTHING that was on a television mindlessly and never
wanted to do anything else, they would sit inside and watch while my
kids would be outside playing! My husband LOVES tv... me...not so
much but that is just me... so limiting tv was never really an idea
that was going to fly at my house! What I see in my children is that
they limit themselves by having been allowed to watch as much as they
want they realize when they feel foggy from being sedentary too long
(my 5 yr old hops up and down and flaps when he is excited so tv is
very active for him!!HA!) They also chose good programming most of
the time... Myth Busters, Discovery channel, animal planet, Discovery
Health, Learning Channel, PBS and so on. They watch junk too but
rarely all day long and never with the intensity that I see in their
TV limited friends. Their favorite toys are and have always been the
simple things like blocks,legos, kenex, chalk, crayons, clay etc they
have never craved toys that "do too much" they like to be creative
with dressing up, playing with puppets and so forth. When we first
got a video game system I worried they would play all the time (and I
am learning in that case so what!?) but they didn't they play when
they want and decide when they have had enough. Sometimes they play
alot of hours in the day and sometimes not.
I think I have realized over the years that what is stimulating to one
person may not be to another. We all have things we do for a lot of
hours in the day... it could be reading, it could be internet, it
could be gardening, or a million other things that don't have the same
value to everyone... I think it' s more that we chose to use our time
(and our children chose to use theirs) in ways that are stimulating to
us and cause us to grow. Enjoyment is the goal for us because I
realized a long time ago that happy children (and all people) grow and
learn more when they are happy. When I see kids that are so bound up
in the rules of life at their house that they become surly and dull it
just breaks my heart. They seem to get so stagnant from the fear of
breaking a rule or being chastised for doing something their parents
see as worthless they just stop doing anything. Or their parents
pack their schedules with all the things they think their kids should
be doing that they never get the chance to find out what they might
like. I recently listened to a conversation between a mother and
child where the child was asking for dance lessons and the mother was
listing all the activities they were scheduled to do on each day and
how dance would not fit in... the child said well I don't really enjoy
the art class I am taking could I stop that and do dance instead....
the mom stood there explaining how it would be wrong to just quit and
she wasn't going to raise a quiter! UGH! I wanted to say you are
raising a quitter because you are training her to quit thinking for
herself!
Lisa B
vigilant about tv and what my kids were watching and how much they
watched etc. What I have learned over the years is that tv much like
video games and computers (and junk food and lots of other things!)
gain more appeal when made taboo! I observed over the years that
children that visited our home that came from tv limiting homes would
sit and watch ANYTHING that was on a television mindlessly and never
wanted to do anything else, they would sit inside and watch while my
kids would be outside playing! My husband LOVES tv... me...not so
much but that is just me... so limiting tv was never really an idea
that was going to fly at my house! What I see in my children is that
they limit themselves by having been allowed to watch as much as they
want they realize when they feel foggy from being sedentary too long
(my 5 yr old hops up and down and flaps when he is excited so tv is
very active for him!!HA!) They also chose good programming most of
the time... Myth Busters, Discovery channel, animal planet, Discovery
Health, Learning Channel, PBS and so on. They watch junk too but
rarely all day long and never with the intensity that I see in their
TV limited friends. Their favorite toys are and have always been the
simple things like blocks,legos, kenex, chalk, crayons, clay etc they
have never craved toys that "do too much" they like to be creative
with dressing up, playing with puppets and so forth. When we first
got a video game system I worried they would play all the time (and I
am learning in that case so what!?) but they didn't they play when
they want and decide when they have had enough. Sometimes they play
alot of hours in the day and sometimes not.
I think I have realized over the years that what is stimulating to one
person may not be to another. We all have things we do for a lot of
hours in the day... it could be reading, it could be internet, it
could be gardening, or a million other things that don't have the same
value to everyone... I think it' s more that we chose to use our time
(and our children chose to use theirs) in ways that are stimulating to
us and cause us to grow. Enjoyment is the goal for us because I
realized a long time ago that happy children (and all people) grow and
learn more when they are happy. When I see kids that are so bound up
in the rules of life at their house that they become surly and dull it
just breaks my heart. They seem to get so stagnant from the fear of
breaking a rule or being chastised for doing something their parents
see as worthless they just stop doing anything. Or their parents
pack their schedules with all the things they think their kids should
be doing that they never get the chance to find out what they might
like. I recently listened to a conversation between a mother and
child where the child was asking for dance lessons and the mother was
listing all the activities they were scheduled to do on each day and
how dance would not fit in... the child said well I don't really enjoy
the art class I am taking could I stop that and do dance instead....
the mom stood there explaining how it would be wrong to just quit and
she wasn't going to raise a quiter! UGH! I wanted to say you are
raising a quitter because you are training her to quit thinking for
herself!
Lisa B
Joyce Fetteroll
On Mar 22, 2007, at 12:21 PM, David Johnson wrote:
nurturing environment who have free access to computers, video games
and TV?
How many older unschoolers do you know who have lived that life and
now are teens and beyond?
*All* studies are performed on schooled children.
Nearly all studies are biased towards getting children to behave and
perform in a school setting.
from your child. If it's treated as something scary that children are
too weak to handle, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
When children are empowered, when we trust that they have greater
powers than a box, they are more powerful.
My daughter has had free access to computers, video games and TV all
her life. They don't hold any greater powers over her than books or
running or drawing or playing with friends. They're just more things
for her to explore.
When computers and video games and TV are controlled and doled out in
small doses, then they become something to be coveted and desired.
The majority of people who have limited their children to an hour
(for instance) of TV have children who make sure they watch that hour
(and try to sneak more). My daughter could watch 24 hours a day. She
watches TV in the evening with the family but it's rarely on during
the day.
Studies are seriously flawed because they're looking for something
unschoolers have rejected.
Joyce
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> Personally, and from increasing research findings and myHow much experience have you had with unschooled children in a rich
> Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
> at such a young age.
nurturing environment who have free access to computers, video games
and TV?
How many older unschoolers do you know who have lived that life and
now are teens and beyond?
*All* studies are performed on schooled children.
Nearly all studies are biased towards getting children to behave and
perform in a school setting.
> Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win overWhy give that much power to an object and take away that much power
> less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands of
> years
from your child. If it's treated as something scary that children are
too weak to handle, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
When children are empowered, when we trust that they have greater
powers than a box, they are more powerful.
My daughter has had free access to computers, video games and TV all
her life. They don't hold any greater powers over her than books or
running or drawing or playing with friends. They're just more things
for her to explore.
When computers and video games and TV are controlled and doled out in
small doses, then they become something to be coveted and desired.
The majority of people who have limited their children to an hour
(for instance) of TV have children who make sure they watch that hour
(and try to sneak more). My daughter could watch 24 hours a day. She
watches TV in the evening with the family but it's rarely on during
the day.
Studies are seriously flawed because they're looking for something
unschoolers have rejected.
Joyce
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Ren Allen
~~I observed over the years that
children that visited our home that came from tv limiting homes would
sit and watch ANYTHING that was on a television mindlessly and never
wanted to do anything else, they would sit inside and watch while my
kids would be outside playing!~~
That describes me perfectly (in the past). I come from a home where tv
was a "wordly influence" and demonized at every turn. When I went to a
friends house that's ALL I wanted to do (much to my friends dismay).
I was laughing about this "tv should be limited" discussion that was
starting here at the list. It's sort of ironic, because the timing of
this discussion happened as I had a house FULL of radically unschooled
children! I just said goodbye to Danielle Conger who has three
radically unschooled children, who had a ball with my four radically
unschooled children taking walks, making ATC's, climbing trees,
jumping on the trampoline, playing games, playing with Bratz, running
through the sprinkler, having a pizza picnic, working out their
differences OH, and watching a little bit of tv!:)
Out of seven unschoolers, the only ones slightly interested in opting
out of the other activities were my two teens who have active online
and gaming lives at the moment. These children had no big fascination
with tv, yet they had free access to it at all times. In fact, the
room Danielle's family slept in has a tv with full cable available.
The tv was on a very small portion of the day. If it had been on more,
that would be fine too! But it just doesn't have that much attraction
when you've got friends, water, pizza and trees.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
children that visited our home that came from tv limiting homes would
sit and watch ANYTHING that was on a television mindlessly and never
wanted to do anything else, they would sit inside and watch while my
kids would be outside playing!~~
That describes me perfectly (in the past). I come from a home where tv
was a "wordly influence" and demonized at every turn. When I went to a
friends house that's ALL I wanted to do (much to my friends dismay).
I was laughing about this "tv should be limited" discussion that was
starting here at the list. It's sort of ironic, because the timing of
this discussion happened as I had a house FULL of radically unschooled
children! I just said goodbye to Danielle Conger who has three
radically unschooled children, who had a ball with my four radically
unschooled children taking walks, making ATC's, climbing trees,
jumping on the trampoline, playing games, playing with Bratz, running
through the sprinkler, having a pizza picnic, working out their
differences OH, and watching a little bit of tv!:)
Out of seven unschoolers, the only ones slightly interested in opting
out of the other activities were my two teens who have active online
and gaming lives at the moment. These children had no big fascination
with tv, yet they had free access to it at all times. In fact, the
room Danielle's family slept in has a tv with full cable available.
The tv was on a very small portion of the day. If it had been on more,
that would be fine too! But it just doesn't have that much attraction
when you've got friends, water, pizza and trees.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ren Allen
~~> Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
"damage" from tv and video games doesn't exist.
From increased hands-on experience and my radically unschooled
influence, I find computers to be actually helpful at such a young age.:)
Watching my own (and many other unschooled kids) in action, I KNOW the
"research" just doesn't hold up in our lives. I trust the child right
in front of me more than what some body of "experts" tells me.
Heck, if I trusted the "research" out there, I'd have my kids in
school, fully vaccinated, going to church and have no tv's or
computers in my house. OUr lives are exactly the opposite of all that
and my kids are thriving. They are creative, interesting and
interested, curious (yes, even the teens) and thoughtful.
The idea of limiting any part of something my child is interested in
leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am not here to be a closed door to
my children, blocking them from things they want to enjoy. I prefer to
be an avenue that helps them get where they want to go and attain the
desires of their heart......which includes tv and video games in our home.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
> Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmfulThere's a growing body of research that is finding much of the
> at such a young age.~~
"damage" from tv and video games doesn't exist.
From increased hands-on experience and my radically unschooled
influence, I find computers to be actually helpful at such a young age.:)
Watching my own (and many other unschooled kids) in action, I KNOW the
"research" just doesn't hold up in our lives. I trust the child right
in front of me more than what some body of "experts" tells me.
Heck, if I trusted the "research" out there, I'd have my kids in
school, fully vaccinated, going to church and have no tv's or
computers in my house. OUr lives are exactly the opposite of all that
and my kids are thriving. They are creative, interesting and
interested, curious (yes, even the teens) and thoughtful.
The idea of limiting any part of something my child is interested in
leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am not here to be a closed door to
my children, blocking them from things they want to enjoy. I prefer to
be an avenue that helps them get where they want to go and attain the
desires of their heart......which includes tv and video games in our home.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Melissa
Precisely what I've seen every week. We have a community potluck at our house every week.
There is our family, unschooling. A homeschooling family with complete restriction. A public
schooling family with TV/videogame moderation, and a public school family with complete
restrictions. We are all fairly attached parents, very involved in our kids lives, but there is a
direct correlation (I know, incomplete data, with only four families) to how much TV and
videogames the kids utilize while in our unrestricted house. The kids with complete
restrictions, spend their entire time on our handheld game systems in front of the TV, they
will not eat, talk to anyone, nothing, because they have to get their fill while at our house.
The parents still maintain the bizarre hope that as the boys get older, they will not 'discover a
need for electronics'. Um, they already HAVE a need that they are trying to fill now, and the
parents have just created an environment that intensifies that need.
Anyway, gotta go, we have guests.
Melissa
There is our family, unschooling. A homeschooling family with complete restriction. A public
schooling family with TV/videogame moderation, and a public school family with complete
restrictions. We are all fairly attached parents, very involved in our kids lives, but there is a
direct correlation (I know, incomplete data, with only four families) to how much TV and
videogames the kids utilize while in our unrestricted house. The kids with complete
restrictions, spend their entire time on our handheld game systems in front of the TV, they
will not eat, talk to anyone, nothing, because they have to get their fill while at our house.
The parents still maintain the bizarre hope that as the boys get older, they will not 'discover a
need for electronics'. Um, they already HAVE a need that they are trying to fill now, and the
parents have just created an environment that intensifies that need.
Anyway, gotta go, we have guests.
Melissa
> ~~I observed over the years that
> children that visited our home that came from tv limiting homes would
> sit and watch ANYTHING that was on a television mindlessly and never
> wanted to do anything else, they would sit inside and watch while my
> kids would be outside playing!~~
plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], "Lisa Heyman"
<Lmanathome@...> wrote:
---Meredith
<Lmanathome@...> wrote:
>the L&L
>
> Marideth. can i quote you on this? this is exactly what my talk at
> conference will be about.Go for it. Hopefully I'll be there to hear it!
> Lisa Heyman
---Meredith
plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], Katharine Wise
<katharinewise@...> wrote:
the resources that can help them? You already watch DVDs, what about
a subscription to a rental service like netflix or blockbuster?
We live too far out in the country for free-tv, and George and I
aren't big tv fans, so for awhile we just had videos and dvd, and
then a subscription to netflix. That seemed to meet everyone's needs
and fill up our interests. When my stepson moved in we realized that
we would have to upgrade our subscription, and the cost would be
comparable to having a satelite dish. We can't afford both. So I
asked my stepson what he'd prefer - satelite. No question. Okay, we
dropped the netflix and got the dish.
Ray's a very social learner, so tv provides a lot of opportunities
for him to learn about the world in a way that makes sense to him.
We try to watch some tv with him every day so that he can talk with
us about what he's seeing and hearing and thinking. I had sort of
expected that. I didn't expect the tv to have quite so much of an
effect on my 5yo. She's facinated by the cartoons, and all the
different ways things can be drawn.
Some days she draws all day long, inspired by what she's seen on tv.
She loves to draw movement and emotion and perspective, and
different cartoons depict those things in different ways. She's
working her way around the various shows - watching one for a few
weeks, then another, although she always comes back to Spongebob and
Dora. I'm seeing her drawing style shift as she watches different
things. She's using the tv as a way to learn about drawing. Books
and people and nature didn't do that for her.
Morgan had seemed perfectly content with the dvd-rentals. It didn't
seem like we were limiting her in any way, but the difference in the
past few months has been really startling. I *thought* she liked to
draw before. Now it occupies an enormous place in her life. Maybe it
was just "time". Maybe I was with-holding a valuble resource bc I
couldn't see the value in it *to her*. Yikes.
convenient and you could afford it? A museum pass? A season ticket
to a community theater? A pool pass? A gym membership? Would you buy
a whole bunch of art-supplies if you came across some for a
reasonable price? Would you buy an entire encylopedia set at a yard-
sale or auction just to have? Have you ever subscribed to a magazine
or book-cub for your kids without being sure they would like it?
Would you drive to visit a relative or old friend you kids didn't
know well?
You get the idea.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
<katharinewise@...> wrote:
> Sooo... would you go out and get a TV in order that the childrenWhat do your kids like and how do they like to learn? Is tv one of
>had exposure to it? (I have to say I'm not considering that, but
>I'm curious what others think.)
the resources that can help them? You already watch DVDs, what about
a subscription to a rental service like netflix or blockbuster?
We live too far out in the country for free-tv, and George and I
aren't big tv fans, so for awhile we just had videos and dvd, and
then a subscription to netflix. That seemed to meet everyone's needs
and fill up our interests. When my stepson moved in we realized that
we would have to upgrade our subscription, and the cost would be
comparable to having a satelite dish. We can't afford both. So I
asked my stepson what he'd prefer - satelite. No question. Okay, we
dropped the netflix and got the dish.
Ray's a very social learner, so tv provides a lot of opportunities
for him to learn about the world in a way that makes sense to him.
We try to watch some tv with him every day so that he can talk with
us about what he's seeing and hearing and thinking. I had sort of
expected that. I didn't expect the tv to have quite so much of an
effect on my 5yo. She's facinated by the cartoons, and all the
different ways things can be drawn.
Some days she draws all day long, inspired by what she's seen on tv.
She loves to draw movement and emotion and perspective, and
different cartoons depict those things in different ways. She's
working her way around the various shows - watching one for a few
weeks, then another, although she always comes back to Spongebob and
Dora. I'm seeing her drawing style shift as she watches different
things. She's using the tv as a way to learn about drawing. Books
and people and nature didn't do that for her.
Morgan had seemed perfectly content with the dvd-rentals. It didn't
seem like we were limiting her in any way, but the difference in the
past few months has been really startling. I *thought* she liked to
draw before. Now it occupies an enormous place in her life. Maybe it
was just "time". Maybe I was with-holding a valuble resource bc I
couldn't see the value in it *to her*. Yikes.
> Sooo... would you go out and get a TV in order that the childrenCan you afford one? Would you get a zoo-pass if the zoo was
>had exposure to it?
convenient and you could afford it? A museum pass? A season ticket
to a community theater? A pool pass? A gym membership? Would you buy
a whole bunch of art-supplies if you came across some for a
reasonable price? Would you buy an entire encylopedia set at a yard-
sale or auction just to have? Have you ever subscribed to a magazine
or book-cub for your kids without being sure they would like it?
Would you drive to visit a relative or old friend you kids didn't
know well?
You get the idea.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
David Johnson
Nope, haven�t had that experience. My children have no problem with
having no tv. Videos and dvds are in our home but seen only once or
twice a week. They just know that that�s that and go on with their
happy lives!.
I find the indiscrepancy of this �let �em watch and have access to
anything� a bit disconcerting, truthfully. Would you let your 5 y.o.
watch �Jaws�?!?!? As adults, children look to us for guidance. They
want to know the world is good. Young children being exposed to
horrors, even as a seemingly �harmless� movie (WE know it�s not real,
but young children are all sense organ---they take EVERYTHING in!),
really takes away that protective sheath around them.
My 02.
~Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joyce Fetteroll
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: (unknown)
having no tv. Videos and dvds are in our home but seen only once or
twice a week. They just know that that�s that and go on with their
happy lives!.
I find the indiscrepancy of this �let �em watch and have access to
anything� a bit disconcerting, truthfully. Would you let your 5 y.o.
watch �Jaws�?!?!? As adults, children look to us for guidance. They
want to know the world is good. Young children being exposed to
horrors, even as a seemingly �harmless� movie (WE know it�s not real,
but young children are all sense organ---they take EVERYTHING in!),
really takes away that protective sheath around them.
My 02.
~Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joyce Fetteroll
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: (unknown)
On Mar 22, 2007, at 12:21 PM, David Johnson wrote:
> Personally, and from increasing research findings and my
> Waldorf-educational influence, I find computers to be actually harmful
> at such a young age.
How much experience have you had with unschooled children in a rich
nurturing environment who have free access to computers, video games
and TV?
How many older unschoolers do you know who have lived that life and
now are teens and beyond?
*All* studies are performed on schooled children.
Nearly all studies are biased towards getting children to behave and
perform in a school setting.
> Such a powerful device (tv included) is bound to win over
> less flashy things children have used in their play for thousands of
> years
Why give that much power to an object and take away that much power
from your child. If it's treated as something scary that children are
too weak to handle, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
When children are empowered, when we trust that they have greater
powers than a box, they are more powerful.
My daughter has had free access to computers, video games and TV all
her life. They don't hold any greater powers over her than books or
running or drawing or playing with friends. They're just more things
for her to explore.
When computers and video games and TV are controlled and doled out in
small doses, then they become something to be coveted and desired.
The majority of people who have limited their children to an hour
(for instance) of TV have children who make sure they watch that hour
(and try to sneak more). My daughter could watch 24 hours a day. She
watches TV in the evening with the family but it's rarely on during
the day.
Studies are seriously flawed because they're looking for something
unschoolers have rejected.
Joyce
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Mar 23, 2007, at 12:43 PM, plaidpanties666 wrote:
inspired by Pokemon (though the story lines have little to do with it
now). Her alter ego has starred in two 50,000 word novels (written
for National Novel Writing Month). (A 3rd 50,000 word novel centered
around a different character but had its genesis in all the fantasy
she's seen and read.)
Anime -- most from TV -- (and manga) has inspired a huge development
in her drawing and she's on her 5th sketchbook in a little over a year.
Pokemon inspired her to work with Sculpey, and she's created a huge
number of them (as well as other creatures from her imagination). (It
seems not uncommon that working in 3D helps kids translate what they
see to 2D.)
Her love of that type of monster has inspired her to create thousands
-- I think she's up to her 3rd *4"* binder -- of creatures. Her love
of drawing creatures led her to giving a Creature Creation class for
homeschoolers for a couple of years, starting when she was 12.
Most of her friends share her interest in anime, most also began with
Pokemon on TV.
Yes, that's a great deal of evidence that TV sucks the creativity and
social skills out of kids. ;-)
Joyce
> I didn't expect the tv to have quite so much of anThree years ago I wrote (during a previous TV discussion):
> effect on my 5yo. She's facinated by the cartoons, and all the
> different ways things can be drawn.
> My daughter Kat, 12, has been following the TV discussion andIn the past three years she's filled 3 more 2" binders of comics
> wanted people to know she has been writing since she was 7 or 8 and
> feels that without TV she wouldn't have the inspiration she does.
> She counted up the pages in her comics and other writings and they
> come to 879. (She says there are many more pages of writing and
> comics that she hasn't put into binders and those would probably
> bring it up over 1000 pages.) She says she's been inspired by
> Pokemon (the most), Gundam Wing, Monster Rancher, and Digimon. Her
> alter ego, Avn the cat, who has been with her since she was 3 or 4
> was inspired by Disney's Peter and the Wolf.
inspired by Pokemon (though the story lines have little to do with it
now). Her alter ego has starred in two 50,000 word novels (written
for National Novel Writing Month). (A 3rd 50,000 word novel centered
around a different character but had its genesis in all the fantasy
she's seen and read.)
Anime -- most from TV -- (and manga) has inspired a huge development
in her drawing and she's on her 5th sketchbook in a little over a year.
Pokemon inspired her to work with Sculpey, and she's created a huge
number of them (as well as other creatures from her imagination). (It
seems not uncommon that working in 3D helps kids translate what they
see to 2D.)
Her love of that type of monster has inspired her to create thousands
-- I think she's up to her 3rd *4"* binder -- of creatures. Her love
of drawing creatures led her to giving a Creature Creation class for
homeschoolers for a couple of years, starting when she was 12.
Most of her friends share her interest in anime, most also began with
Pokemon on TV.
Yes, that's a great deal of evidence that TV sucks the creativity and
social skills out of kids. ;-)
Joyce
Ren Allen
~~ Would you let your 5 y.o.
watch "Jaws"?!?!?~~
Yes, I would. I don't "let" or "not let" my kids watch shows. I trust
their signals and comfort level far above my own. Heck, Jaws is really
pretty tame compared to most movies that are being made now. We find
it rather amusing for the most part.:)
Jalen wanted to watch Predator Vs. Alien when he was a mere three
years old. I was concerned. I explained how scary it would be, that
there were monsters etc...and he insisted that he wanted to watch it.
So I sat with him and we watched it together. I offered to cover his
eyes, or fast forward and encouraged him to let me know if it bothered
him.
He enjoyed every minute of it until he fell asleep! Didn't bother him
in the least. His older sister never liked movies of that genre and
would let us know right away that she was scared or didn't like
something.
We pay attention to their comfort level, we watch with them, we can
fast forward over parts that might bother them if they agree to that,
we can mute (often the sound is the scary part) and use all sorts of
tools to help them access the things they're interested in.
If they happen to watch something that disturbs them, they have two
parents that are going to comfort, empathize and help them the next
time all over again. They don't get "I told you so" or limits in
response to the experience.
In my experience, kids that have a lot of trust given to them, learn
their own limits quite well and are comfortable letting you know when
they want to expand upon their comfort level.
All of my children have been comfortable with different things at
different ages. I'm glad they know themselves and know that we support
them wherever they're at.
I DO warn them about content and other parts that might bother them.
They do the same for me.:)
I make a living by working as a makeup artist so because of that
passion we've delved into artistry and film effects often. We talk
about how certain effects are acheived, how the makeup artists use
latex...making molds and casts of various ingredients, what is used to
create blood effects etc.....
Film making is a fascinating art form (well, many art forms really)
and to learn about that makes the scary parts (or other intense parts)
a lot more understandable and interesting. I choose to empower my
children rather than limit them.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
watch "Jaws"?!?!?~~
Yes, I would. I don't "let" or "not let" my kids watch shows. I trust
their signals and comfort level far above my own. Heck, Jaws is really
pretty tame compared to most movies that are being made now. We find
it rather amusing for the most part.:)
Jalen wanted to watch Predator Vs. Alien when he was a mere three
years old. I was concerned. I explained how scary it would be, that
there were monsters etc...and he insisted that he wanted to watch it.
So I sat with him and we watched it together. I offered to cover his
eyes, or fast forward and encouraged him to let me know if it bothered
him.
He enjoyed every minute of it until he fell asleep! Didn't bother him
in the least. His older sister never liked movies of that genre and
would let us know right away that she was scared or didn't like
something.
We pay attention to their comfort level, we watch with them, we can
fast forward over parts that might bother them if they agree to that,
we can mute (often the sound is the scary part) and use all sorts of
tools to help them access the things they're interested in.
If they happen to watch something that disturbs them, they have two
parents that are going to comfort, empathize and help them the next
time all over again. They don't get "I told you so" or limits in
response to the experience.
In my experience, kids that have a lot of trust given to them, learn
their own limits quite well and are comfortable letting you know when
they want to expand upon their comfort level.
All of my children have been comfortable with different things at
different ages. I'm glad they know themselves and know that we support
them wherever they're at.
I DO warn them about content and other parts that might bother them.
They do the same for me.:)
I make a living by working as a makeup artist so because of that
passion we've delved into artistry and film effects often. We talk
about how certain effects are acheived, how the makeup artists use
latex...making molds and casts of various ingredients, what is used to
create blood effects etc.....
Film making is a fascinating art form (well, many art forms really)
and to learn about that makes the scary parts (or other intense parts)
a lot more understandable and interesting. I choose to empower my
children rather than limit them.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Christy Mahoney
I'm not sure what some of this means, like "indiscrepancy" or
that "young children are all sense organ", but I do not assume that
all children will react to media in the same way. What disturbs
people, yes even young children, varies greatly. Some
movies/songs/books/ that are made specifically for children can be
very scary to some. And some things that scare certain adults may
not scare some children.
I remember when we first got the movie "The Matrix" on DVD, and dh
and I watched it. Darcy was 5, I think, and she asked about it. I
said that she might find it scary, and she said that she didn't want
to watch it. But a few days later, she asked if she could. So dh
and I sat down to watch it with her. She thought some of it was
cool, and then she lost interest and went off to play - no further
interest in it ever.
Also at the age of 5, she picked up a book of folk stories that we
had and proceeded to read several of the stories. I didn't think
much of it until she was scared to sleep by herself that night when
she usually did go to sleep alone. She was scared to go to sleep
without me for months after that. I never would have thought to
protect her from my book of folk tales that I guess had a few ghost
stories in it.
I have never liked clowns or puppets - they kind of freak me out.
And what scared me the most and for the longest time were natural
disasters like tornadoes and earthquakes. Even if I wanted the
world to be good, there's no way that my parents could protect me
from the knowledge that tornadoes and earthquakes occur, at least
not for long. I had terrible dreams about them for years.
Of course I'm not saying to sit your child down in front of a horror
movie in order to see if it scares them or not. But if they express
an interest in watching something and you talk about it with them,
offer to skip anything they want to skip or just turn it off if they
want, I don't think it will be a problem. If they have the power to
turn it off or the opportunity to talk about it, it won't have any
power over them. Every child is probably scared of something, and
they may not know they are scared of something until they see it,
but I think it's just as likely to be tornadoes or clowns or bugs or
dogs as it is to be something from a movie.
-Christy M.
that "young children are all sense organ", but I do not assume that
all children will react to media in the same way. What disturbs
people, yes even young children, varies greatly. Some
movies/songs/books/ that are made specifically for children can be
very scary to some. And some things that scare certain adults may
not scare some children.
I remember when we first got the movie "The Matrix" on DVD, and dh
and I watched it. Darcy was 5, I think, and she asked about it. I
said that she might find it scary, and she said that she didn't want
to watch it. But a few days later, she asked if she could. So dh
and I sat down to watch it with her. She thought some of it was
cool, and then she lost interest and went off to play - no further
interest in it ever.
Also at the age of 5, she picked up a book of folk stories that we
had and proceeded to read several of the stories. I didn't think
much of it until she was scared to sleep by herself that night when
she usually did go to sleep alone. She was scared to go to sleep
without me for months after that. I never would have thought to
protect her from my book of folk tales that I guess had a few ghost
stories in it.
I have never liked clowns or puppets - they kind of freak me out.
And what scared me the most and for the longest time were natural
disasters like tornadoes and earthquakes. Even if I wanted the
world to be good, there's no way that my parents could protect me
from the knowledge that tornadoes and earthquakes occur, at least
not for long. I had terrible dreams about them for years.
Of course I'm not saying to sit your child down in front of a horror
movie in order to see if it scares them or not. But if they express
an interest in watching something and you talk about it with them,
offer to skip anything they want to skip or just turn it off if they
want, I don't think it will be a problem. If they have the power to
turn it off or the opportunity to talk about it, it won't have any
power over them. Every child is probably scared of something, and
they may not know they are scared of something until they see it,
but I think it's just as likely to be tornadoes or clowns or bugs or
dogs as it is to be something from a movie.
-Christy M.