horseback riding...
pamela6000
I thought i would post to any of you equestrians out there. My
daughter is interested in horses and wanted to try riding. I did a
bit of riding when i was younger so I decided to give it a try too.
When I rode years ago..they showed us about the saddle and a few
other things..but then we got on the horse and rode. The place near
us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena..as they have no
trails. My daughter loved riding and brushing the horse..but had no
interest in sweeping up poop. I was wondering if this is "normal". I
mean it seems to me that we are paying (and not cheap) and then
having to clean up. Somehow did not seem right to me..ok the saddle
and brushing is one thing..but I was also afraid to pick up the
horse leg and scrap the hoove with that metal pick and having to "be
careful " not to touch the sensitive part. I asked if the kids have
to clean the hooves and she said no because she has to think about
the saftey of THE HORSE and they could damage the hoove. I was
thinking about my childrens saftey! Anyway..anyone with input
here..very appreciated!! ps..she also said it is a state law that
minors have to wear a equestrian helmut..then she said we would have
to BUY THEM. We can borrow them the first few times only. They are
$40 each. That is a lot to spend in case my daughters up and change
their minds about this! If it is a law..should not they have to
provide them? ANYONE???
thanks much
pam
daughter is interested in horses and wanted to try riding. I did a
bit of riding when i was younger so I decided to give it a try too.
When I rode years ago..they showed us about the saddle and a few
other things..but then we got on the horse and rode. The place near
us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena..as they have no
trails. My daughter loved riding and brushing the horse..but had no
interest in sweeping up poop. I was wondering if this is "normal". I
mean it seems to me that we are paying (and not cheap) and then
having to clean up. Somehow did not seem right to me..ok the saddle
and brushing is one thing..but I was also afraid to pick up the
horse leg and scrap the hoove with that metal pick and having to "be
careful " not to touch the sensitive part. I asked if the kids have
to clean the hooves and she said no because she has to think about
the saftey of THE HORSE and they could damage the hoove. I was
thinking about my childrens saftey! Anyway..anyone with input
here..very appreciated!! ps..she also said it is a state law that
minors have to wear a equestrian helmut..then she said we would have
to BUY THEM. We can borrow them the first few times only. They are
$40 each. That is a lot to spend in case my daughters up and change
their minds about this! If it is a law..should not they have to
provide them? ANYONE???
thanks much
pam
Joyce Fetteroll
On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:51 AM, pamela6000 wrote:
it's split in two. It's just the responsibility of the rider to get
there early enough to tack up the horse and, yes, clean its hooves
and clean up after it. Then followed by a half hour lesson. ($34 per
half hour.) (And if she doesn't get done by the time the lesson
starts, it just eats into lesson time so that's a big incentive to
get there early enough!)
They provide helmets where she rides, but, who knows how long the
previous wearer went before washing her hair ;-)
You might check to see if they have a bulletin board where you can
put up a helmet for sale (or buy a used one) if it doesn't work out.
But, in terms of lessons, I bet horseback riding has the fewest girls
who give up after a few lessons ;-)
If a bit of poop stood between my daughter and riding, I'd clean it
up for her. It wouldn't be taking on a huge task, though, since she's
been riding since June and I think the horse has only pooped once
while it was being tacked up.
Joyce
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> The place nearThat's the policy where my daughter takes lessons. I wouldn't say
> us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
> is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
> ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
> hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
> Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena
it's split in two. It's just the responsibility of the rider to get
there early enough to tack up the horse and, yes, clean its hooves
and clean up after it. Then followed by a half hour lesson. ($34 per
half hour.) (And if she doesn't get done by the time the lesson
starts, it just eats into lesson time so that's a big incentive to
get there early enough!)
They provide helmets where she rides, but, who knows how long the
previous wearer went before washing her hair ;-)
You might check to see if they have a bulletin board where you can
put up a helmet for sale (or buy a used one) if it doesn't work out.
But, in terms of lessons, I bet horseback riding has the fewest girls
who give up after a few lessons ;-)
If a bit of poop stood between my daughter and riding, I'd clean it
up for her. It wouldn't be taking on a huge task, though, since she's
been riding since June and I think the horse has only pooped once
while it was being tacked up.
Joyce
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From: pamela6000@...
I thought i would post to any of you equestrians out there. My
daughter is interested in horses and wanted to try riding. I did a
bit of riding when i was younger so I decided to give it a try too.
When I rode years ago..they showed us about the saddle and a few
other things..but then we got on the horse and rode. The place near
us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena..as they have no
trails. My daughter loved riding and brushing the horse..but had no
interest in sweeping up poop. I was wondering if this is "normal".
-=-=-=-=
Very normal. It's called "stable management" and is a HUGE part of
horsemanship and horse ownership.
-=-=-=-=-=-
I mean it seems to me that we are paying (and not cheap) and then
having to clean up.
-=-=-=-=-
You go to an art studio---do you expect to walk away from the mess? Not
clean brushes or pick up stray clay? Not wipe down your surfaces?
Horses are messy. It's part of the deal. Plus---it's not as if you have
to *touch* it. You get to use a shovel/broom/pitchfork, right?
-=-=-=-=-
Somehow did not seem right to me..ok the saddle
and brushing is one thing..but I was also afraid to pick up the
horse leg and scrap the hoove with that metal pick and having to "be
careful " not to touch the sensitive part.
-=-=-=-
It's not *that* sensitive. Just be gentle with the frog. It's not as if
you have to avoid touching it at all---just be gentle.
-=-=-=-
I asked if the kids have
to clean the hooves and she said no because she has to think about
the saftey of THE HORSE and they could damage the hoove.
-=-=-=-=-
It's her job tot hink of the safety of the horse. They're in her care.
Plus, they weigh half a ton! And you don't want something that big hurt
or mad at you! <g>
Kids (especially little ones) don't necessarily have the dexterity it
takes to balance the leg and pick the hoof. I would usually hold the
leg while a young child would scrape. *I* don't think it's so much
about the scraping the frog as it is holding up that leg and maybe
throwing the horse or child off-balance---endangering both.
-=-=-=-=-
she also said it is a state law that
minors have to wear a equestrian helmut..then she said we would have
to BUY THEM. We can borrow them the first few times only. They are
$40 each. That is a lot to spend in case my daughters up and change
their minds about this! If it is a law..should not they have to
provide them? ANYONE???
-=-=-=-
I think all states now have a law about helmets and minors. $40 is
cheap. Most I sold 20 years ago were $50-$100. I guess they have less
expensive materials that are more durable now.
It's your kid's head. Why balk?
You can always sell it to the next kid in line. You can also find used
ones at tack shops everywhere.
As adults, our butts are heavier than our head. But until after
puberty, kids' heads are heavier than their butts, so if they are
thrown or fall, they land on their heads. Buy the helmet!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
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From: pamela6000@...
I thought i would post to any of you equestrians out there. My
daughter is interested in horses and wanted to try riding. I did a
bit of riding when i was younger so I decided to give it a try too.
When I rode years ago..they showed us about the saddle and a few
other things..but then we got on the horse and rode. The place near
us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena..as they have no
trails. My daughter loved riding and brushing the horse..but had no
interest in sweeping up poop. I was wondering if this is "normal".
-=-=-=-=
Very normal. It's called "stable management" and is a HUGE part of
horsemanship and horse ownership.
-=-=-=-=-=-
I mean it seems to me that we are paying (and not cheap) and then
having to clean up.
-=-=-=-=-
You go to an art studio---do you expect to walk away from the mess? Not
clean brushes or pick up stray clay? Not wipe down your surfaces?
Horses are messy. It's part of the deal. Plus---it's not as if you have
to *touch* it. You get to use a shovel/broom/pitchfork, right?
-=-=-=-=-
Somehow did not seem right to me..ok the saddle
and brushing is one thing..but I was also afraid to pick up the
horse leg and scrap the hoove with that metal pick and having to "be
careful " not to touch the sensitive part.
-=-=-=-
It's not *that* sensitive. Just be gentle with the frog. It's not as if
you have to avoid touching it at all---just be gentle.
-=-=-=-
I asked if the kids have
to clean the hooves and she said no because she has to think about
the saftey of THE HORSE and they could damage the hoove.
-=-=-=-=-
It's her job tot hink of the safety of the horse. They're in her care.
Plus, they weigh half a ton! And you don't want something that big hurt
or mad at you! <g>
Kids (especially little ones) don't necessarily have the dexterity it
takes to balance the leg and pick the hoof. I would usually hold the
leg while a young child would scrape. *I* don't think it's so much
about the scraping the frog as it is holding up that leg and maybe
throwing the horse or child off-balance---endangering both.
-=-=-=-=-
she also said it is a state law that
minors have to wear a equestrian helmut..then she said we would have
to BUY THEM. We can borrow them the first few times only. They are
$40 each. That is a lot to spend in case my daughters up and change
their minds about this! If it is a law..should not they have to
provide them? ANYONE???
-=-=-=-
I think all states now have a law about helmets and minors. $40 is
cheap. Most I sold 20 years ago were $50-$100. I guess they have less
expensive materials that are more durable now.
It's your kid's head. Why balk?
You can always sell it to the next kid in line. You can also find used
ones at tack shops everywhere.
As adults, our butts are heavier than our head. But until after
puberty, kids' heads are heavier than their butts, so if they are
thrown or fall, they land on their heads. Buy the helmet!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org
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I have been riding since i was 6 and competativly riding in A class grand
prixs (the stuff you see on ESPN) since i was 13. I have always riden at show
barns, so picking up after your horse (poop, brushing, bath, blanket, put
away) isnt an option. You either do it or you dont ride there. The frog is the
sensitive part in the hoof, but really it's pretty hard to damage it unless
you are stabbing the hoof cleaner into the frog. Otherwise it is pretty
difficult to hurt the hoof if you are doing it correctly. The hoof of a horse is
just like out nails. They are made in essence out of the same stuff and have
no nerve endings. Which is why shoeing a horse doesn't bother them. In
regards to a helmet, i would be very carfeful if you buy a used one. There are
really 2 different types of helmets. Certified and uncertified. If your
daughter might show, she CANNOT wear uncertified helm's till she is 18 and it
has to have a chin strap. In the horse world we call them bubble helmets
because they are huge and look like a bubble.
In a message dated 2/21/2007 9:16:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
pamela6000@... writes:
I thought i would post to any of you equestrians out there. My
daughter is interested in horses and wanted to try riding. I did a
bit of riding when i was younger so I decided to give it a try too.
When I rode years ago..they showed us about the saddle and a few
other things..but then we got on the horse and rode. The place near
us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena..as they have no
trails. My daughter loved riding and brushing the horse..but had no
interest in sweeping up poop. I was wondering if this is "normal". I
mean it seems to me that we are paying (and not cheap) and then
having to clean up. Somehow did not seem right to me..ok the saddle
and brushing is one thing..but I was also afraid to pick up the
horse leg and scrap the hoove with that metal pick and having to "be
careful " not to touch the sensitive part. I asked if the kids have
to clean the hooves and she said no because she has to think about
the saftey of THE HORSE and they could damage the hoove. I was
thinking about my childrens saftey! Anyway..anyone with input
here..very appreciated!here..very appreciated!<WBR>! ps..she also
minors have to wear a equestrian helmut..then she said we would have
to BUY THEM. We can borrow them the first few times only. They are
$40 each. That is a lot to spend in case my daughters up and change
their minds about this! If it is a law..should not they have to
provide them? ANYONE???
~Alyssa in IL
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
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prixs (the stuff you see on ESPN) since i was 13. I have always riden at show
barns, so picking up after your horse (poop, brushing, bath, blanket, put
away) isnt an option. You either do it or you dont ride there. The frog is the
sensitive part in the hoof, but really it's pretty hard to damage it unless
you are stabbing the hoof cleaner into the frog. Otherwise it is pretty
difficult to hurt the hoof if you are doing it correctly. The hoof of a horse is
just like out nails. They are made in essence out of the same stuff and have
no nerve endings. Which is why shoeing a horse doesn't bother them. In
regards to a helmet, i would be very carfeful if you buy a used one. There are
really 2 different types of helmets. Certified and uncertified. If your
daughter might show, she CANNOT wear uncertified helm's till she is 18 and it
has to have a chin strap. In the horse world we call them bubble helmets
because they are huge and look like a bubble.
In a message dated 2/21/2007 9:16:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
pamela6000@... writes:
I thought i would post to any of you equestrians out there. My
daughter is interested in horses and wanted to try riding. I did a
bit of riding when i was younger so I decided to give it a try too.
When I rode years ago..they showed us about the saddle and a few
other things..but then we got on the horse and rode. The place near
us that we are trying, splits the lesson in two where the first half
is basically cleaning up..and cleaning the horse..and getting it
ready (for the adult riders).like having to clean the manure off the
hooves, and even sweep up a pile if your horse makes one.
Hmmmm...then a half hr of riding around in an arena..as they have no
trails. My daughter loved riding and brushing the horse..but had no
interest in sweeping up poop. I was wondering if this is "normal". I
mean it seems to me that we are paying (and not cheap) and then
having to clean up. Somehow did not seem right to me..ok the saddle
and brushing is one thing..but I was also afraid to pick up the
horse leg and scrap the hoove with that metal pick and having to "be
careful " not to touch the sensitive part. I asked if the kids have
to clean the hooves and she said no because she has to think about
the saftey of THE HORSE and they could damage the hoove. I was
thinking about my childrens saftey! Anyway..anyone with input
here..very appreciated!here..very appreciated!<WBR>! ps..she also
minors have to wear a equestrian helmut..then she said we would have
to BUY THEM. We can borrow them the first few times only. They are
$40 each. That is a lot to spend in case my daughters up and change
their minds about this! If it is a law..should not they have to
provide them? ANYONE???
~Alyssa in IL
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
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In a message dated 2/21/2007 12:32:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
I think all states now have a law about helmets and minors. $40 is
cheap. Most I sold 20 years ago were $50-$100. I guess they have less
expensive materials that are more durable now.
It's your kid's head. Why balk?
You can always sell it to the next kid in line. You can also find used
ones at tack shops everywhere.
As adults, our butts are heavier than our head. But until after
puberty, kids' heads are heavier than their butts, so if they are
thrown or fall, they land on their heads. Buy the helmet!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
I am a horse owner and life-long avid equestrian. I ride, my niece rides, my
3 kids ride. I have done dressage, show jumpers, hunters, trail, etc... And
I have fallen on just about every part of my body and seen just about every
type of horse related accident there is.
First of all, yes, cleaning up is part of the deal but it shouldn't be
called a 60 min lesson if 30 minutes is cleaning. Generally, beginning lessons
should cost about $25 for each 1/2 hour. So if you ride for 60 minutes it should
be $50 and then you should BE THERE for about 2 hours total, saddling and
brushing for 30 minutes before, and cleaning and giving a bath to the horse (if
it is FL where I live and warm enough) for the last 30 minutes. If it is 30
minutes of riding, you should be there for 1 hour and 3 minutes but you
should only pay for the time you are in the saddle and there should be barn
assistants who teach and help the child with all the cleaning stuff while the
teacher moves on to other riding lessons.
As far as safety and the helmet is concerned; the helmet should be on and
strapped the entire time the child is near or on the horse. So when picking
hooves the helmet is on, when brushing, when riding. All the time. A kick in the
head can be fatal without the helmet. A lot of people only use the helmet
when ON the horse. That is total nonsense. I learned this while working with a
British instructor who said that in England children are never seen around
horses without their hard hats. Your stable should not have to provide one.
Safety regulations on them are always changing. If they have one and someone
fell while wearing it, the helmet is no longer usable. They need to be CURRENTLY
certified and up to all the highest standards.
Personally, I would not DREAM of putting my child near a horse without a
helmet in the $175-400 range. There are certain brands that are better than
others if you want to email me privately. Yes, you can buy a certified helmet
(the only kind that protects you) for $40 but it will not help your child as
much as one that goes lower down toward the neck which aids in preventing
paralysis and brain stem injuries. I also would always use long sleeve t-shirts,
leather schooling chaps over breeches or jeans and boots with a heal. All the
things I just mentioned can be found on eBay sometimes for as little as a
DOLLAR each! The helmet MUST be new. Otherwise it could have been in an accident
and of no use.
Adriana
PS my kids are not allowed to pick out hooves without my help. I don't think
it is safe.
PPS a great way to teach horse safety to your child is to study Parelli
Natural Horsemanship. BTW Pat Parelli homeschooled his children.
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
I think all states now have a law about helmets and minors. $40 is
cheap. Most I sold 20 years ago were $50-$100. I guess they have less
expensive materials that are more durable now.
It's your kid's head. Why balk?
You can always sell it to the next kid in line. You can also find used
ones at tack shops everywhere.
As adults, our butts are heavier than our head. But until after
puberty, kids' heads are heavier than their butts, so if they are
thrown or fall, they land on their heads. Buy the helmet!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
I am a horse owner and life-long avid equestrian. I ride, my niece rides, my
3 kids ride. I have done dressage, show jumpers, hunters, trail, etc... And
I have fallen on just about every part of my body and seen just about every
type of horse related accident there is.
First of all, yes, cleaning up is part of the deal but it shouldn't be
called a 60 min lesson if 30 minutes is cleaning. Generally, beginning lessons
should cost about $25 for each 1/2 hour. So if you ride for 60 minutes it should
be $50 and then you should BE THERE for about 2 hours total, saddling and
brushing for 30 minutes before, and cleaning and giving a bath to the horse (if
it is FL where I live and warm enough) for the last 30 minutes. If it is 30
minutes of riding, you should be there for 1 hour and 3 minutes but you
should only pay for the time you are in the saddle and there should be barn
assistants who teach and help the child with all the cleaning stuff while the
teacher moves on to other riding lessons.
As far as safety and the helmet is concerned; the helmet should be on and
strapped the entire time the child is near or on the horse. So when picking
hooves the helmet is on, when brushing, when riding. All the time. A kick in the
head can be fatal without the helmet. A lot of people only use the helmet
when ON the horse. That is total nonsense. I learned this while working with a
British instructor who said that in England children are never seen around
horses without their hard hats. Your stable should not have to provide one.
Safety regulations on them are always changing. If they have one and someone
fell while wearing it, the helmet is no longer usable. They need to be CURRENTLY
certified and up to all the highest standards.
Personally, I would not DREAM of putting my child near a horse without a
helmet in the $175-400 range. There are certain brands that are better than
others if you want to email me privately. Yes, you can buy a certified helmet
(the only kind that protects you) for $40 but it will not help your child as
much as one that goes lower down toward the neck which aids in preventing
paralysis and brain stem injuries. I also would always use long sleeve t-shirts,
leather schooling chaps over breeches or jeans and boots with a heal. All the
things I just mentioned can be found on eBay sometimes for as little as a
DOLLAR each! The helmet MUST be new. Otherwise it could have been in an accident
and of no use.
Adriana
PS my kids are not allowed to pick out hooves without my help. I don't think
it is safe.
PPS a great way to teach horse safety to your child is to study Parelli
Natural Horsemanship. BTW Pat Parelli homeschooled his children.
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