OT - Vaccines??
Julie Peters
Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal-Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
My DB/SIL are expecting baby #1 in May and this seems to be a family
debate right now. I was curious to see what others are doing.
Thanks in advance.
Julie Peters
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal-Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
My DB/SIL are expecting baby #1 in May and this seems to be a family
debate right now. I was curious to see what others are doing.
Thanks in advance.
Julie Peters
Sylvia Toyama
Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
*****
We opted out years ago -- my youngest is totally unvaxxed, the second has had a tetanus booster shot after an injury a couple of years ago.
You can request mercury/thimersol free vaxes -- but know that they really aren't mercury free. The process for making vaccines requires the use of thimersol, so they use it, then 'wash' it out, presumably removing all but a trace element. Really not truth in advertising, but vaxxing has never been that anyway.
For me, the biggest issue isn't that I consider all vaxes to be dangerous, it's that exposing a child's immune system to 6 or 8 viruses at a time, every few months is frightening. Never in the natural course of life would a body's immune system have to respond to all those invasions at one time, not to mention metabolizing the other chemicals in the vax mixes. As well, most of what's commonly vaccinated for I don't consider to be a big risk. I'd personally rather my kids had mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox and gain the lifelong immunity. I had them all as a child, so I don't need to worry about booster shots. Anyone who had the shots will need boosters thruout life to stay protected. And the vaxes aren't 100% -- sometimes they don't take at all, sometimes they take partially, leaving a person at risk for diseases that worsen when a person ages.
Sylvia
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vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
*****
We opted out years ago -- my youngest is totally unvaxxed, the second has had a tetanus booster shot after an injury a couple of years ago.
You can request mercury/thimersol free vaxes -- but know that they really aren't mercury free. The process for making vaccines requires the use of thimersol, so they use it, then 'wash' it out, presumably removing all but a trace element. Really not truth in advertising, but vaxxing has never been that anyway.
For me, the biggest issue isn't that I consider all vaxes to be dangerous, it's that exposing a child's immune system to 6 or 8 viruses at a time, every few months is frightening. Never in the natural course of life would a body's immune system have to respond to all those invasions at one time, not to mention metabolizing the other chemicals in the vax mixes. As well, most of what's commonly vaccinated for I don't consider to be a big risk. I'd personally rather my kids had mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox and gain the lifelong immunity. I had them all as a child, so I don't need to worry about booster shots. Anyone who had the shots will need boosters thruout life to stay protected. And the vaxes aren't 100% -- sometimes they don't take at all, sometimes they take partially, leaving a person at risk for diseases that worsen when a person ages.
Sylvia
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I dont vax my kids at all. And we only go to the doctor if someone is
REALLY sick and homeopathy hasnt been able to cure it.
In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:07:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal-vaccines completely
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
~Alyssa in IL
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REALLY sick and homeopathy hasnt been able to cure it.
In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:07:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
julieannpeters@... writes:
Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal-vaccines completely
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
~Alyssa in IL
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
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nothing."
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or evil."
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I dont vax my kids at all. And we only go to the doctor if someone is
REALLY sick and homeopathy hasnt been able to cure it.
same here, no vax and go to Chiro doc when sick, try homeopathy and if all
else fails we go to west med docs. luckily we have a SUPER nice place to go to
where they don't give us a hard time about the no shots thing.
Adriana
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I dont vax my kids at all. And we only go to the doctor if someone is
REALLY sick and homeopathy hasnt been able to cure it.
same here, no vax and go to Chiro doc when sick, try homeopathy and if all
else fails we go to west med docs. luckily we have a SUPER nice place to go to
where they don't give us a hard time about the no shots thing.
Adriana
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Heather Elliott
We opted out of vaccines altogether. We have one boy who is seven and doing just fine without them. I was not given the vaccines growing up. I just do not believe in them personally. But this is of course my opinion only. Lots of luck to you!
Heather
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From: Julie Peters <julieannpeters@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:01:05 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] OT - Vaccines??
Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
My DB/SIL are expecting baby #1 in May and this seems to be a family
debate right now. I was curious to see what others are doing.
Thanks in advance.
Julie Peters
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Heather
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From: Julie Peters <julieannpeters@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:01:05 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] OT - Vaccines??
Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
My DB/SIL are expecting baby #1 in May and this seems to be a family
debate right now. I was curious to see what others are doing.
Thanks in advance.
Julie Peters
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Mara
After having read tons of materials and books and
email lists etc. I opted not to vaccinate my children,
now 2 and 5. Both of them are exceptionally healthy,
they rarely ever get a cold and never had the flu or
ear infections. I did and do nurse them however long
they want and they make their own food choices
although I do offer lots of healthy things.
Interestingly my 5 y.o. had somewhat bab excema as a
baby and then contracted the chickenpox at 7 months.
It was real bad, but whereever the chickenpox was on
top of the excema, the excema went away with the
cickenpox and he is now excema-free. There is other
anecdotal evidence of similar stories if anyone is
interested.
Greetings,
Mara
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email lists etc. I opted not to vaccinate my children,
now 2 and 5. Both of them are exceptionally healthy,
they rarely ever get a cold and never had the flu or
ear infections. I did and do nurse them however long
they want and they make their own food choices
although I do offer lots of healthy things.
Interestingly my 5 y.o. had somewhat bab excema as a
baby and then contracted the chickenpox at 7 months.
It was real bad, but whereever the chickenpox was on
top of the excema, the excema went away with the
cickenpox and he is now excema-free. There is other
anecdotal evidence of similar stories if anyone is
interested.
Greetings,
Mara
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> Heather
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L. Amphay
Ladies,
Does anyone know of any good books on the subject?
Lucy
Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@...> wrote: Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
*****
We opted out years ago -- my youngest is totally unvaxxed, the second has had a tetanus booster shot after an injury a couple of years ago.
You can request mercury/thimersol free vaxes -- but know that they really aren't mercury free. The process for making vaccines requires the use of thimersol, so they use it, then 'wash' it out, presumably removing all but a trace element. Really not truth in advertising, but vaxxing has never been that anyway.
For me, the biggest issue isn't that I consider all vaxes to be dangerous, it's that exposing a child's immune system to 6 or 8 viruses at a time, every few months is frightening. Never in the natural course of life would a body's immune system have to respond to all those invasions at one time, not to mention metabolizing the other chemicals in the vax mixes. As well, most of what's commonly vaccinated for I don't consider to be a big risk. I'd personally rather my kids had mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox and gain the lifelong immunity. I had them all as a child, so I don't need to worry about booster shots. Anyone who had the shots will need boosters thruout life to stay protected. And the vaxes aren't 100% -- sometimes they don't take at all, sometimes they take partially, leaving a person at risk for diseases that worsen when a person ages.
Sylvia
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Does anyone know of any good books on the subject?
Lucy
Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@...> wrote: Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
*****
We opted out years ago -- my youngest is totally unvaxxed, the second has had a tetanus booster shot after an injury a couple of years ago.
You can request mercury/thimersol free vaxes -- but know that they really aren't mercury free. The process for making vaccines requires the use of thimersol, so they use it, then 'wash' it out, presumably removing all but a trace element. Really not truth in advertising, but vaxxing has never been that anyway.
For me, the biggest issue isn't that I consider all vaxes to be dangerous, it's that exposing a child's immune system to 6 or 8 viruses at a time, every few months is frightening. Never in the natural course of life would a body's immune system have to respond to all those invasions at one time, not to mention metabolizing the other chemicals in the vax mixes. As well, most of what's commonly vaccinated for I don't consider to be a big risk. I'd personally rather my kids had mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox and gain the lifelong immunity. I had them all as a child, so I don't need to worry about booster shots. Anyone who had the shots will need boosters thruout life to stay protected. And the vaxes aren't 100% -- sometimes they don't take at all, sometimes they take partially, leaving a person at risk for diseases that worsen when a person ages.
Sylvia
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Kristie Cochran
I don't vax either. My first was partially vaxxed and then I stopped at
12mo. My second has not been vaxxed at all. I use the Religious
Exemption for my state. Some really good books to read are: What Your
Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations by Stephanie Cave
and Deborah Mitchell. Stephanie Cave is a doctor that treats mercury
poisoned kids. She's not totally anti-vax, but she does recommend
spacing out the vaccines and giving them individually rather than in the
current combinations. The other book I recommend is: Vaccinations: A
Thoughtful Parent's Guide: How to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about
the Risks, Benefits and Alternatives by Aviva Jill Romm. This one came
in handy when my youngest recently had Chicken Pox (got it from his
dad's shingles). This book explains how vaccines were invented and also
describes each disease and treatment for them. Here is the website for
the National Vaccine Information Center that has lots of good
information: http://www.909shot.com/
Kristie in VA
12mo. My second has not been vaxxed at all. I use the Religious
Exemption for my state. Some really good books to read are: What Your
Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations by Stephanie Cave
and Deborah Mitchell. Stephanie Cave is a doctor that treats mercury
poisoned kids. She's not totally anti-vax, but she does recommend
spacing out the vaccines and giving them individually rather than in the
current combinations. The other book I recommend is: Vaccinations: A
Thoughtful Parent's Guide: How to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about
the Risks, Benefits and Alternatives by Aviva Jill Romm. This one came
in handy when my youngest recently had Chicken Pox (got it from his
dad's shingles). This book explains how vaccines were invented and also
describes each disease and treatment for them. Here is the website for
the National Vaccine Information Center that has lots of good
information: http://www.909shot.com/
Kristie in VA
Eugenie van Ruitenbeek
We did not vaccine our children.
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Eugenie
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Chris
Lucy,
I'm not a lady, but hopefully I'm still allowed to respond. :)
That said, our homeopathic MD pediatrician (also specializes in
Chinese medicine and herbs) has recommended that we watch the Dr.
Tenpenny "Vaccines" DVD before we make a decision about vaccinating
our DS.
We purchased the video, but have yet to watch it.
Not all doctors are the same. In our case, our pediatrician says that
*if* we choose to vaccinate, that we would wait until our child's
immune system has developed and we would never do more than one
vaccination at a time. She also would not recommend the usual
"schedule" but rather, only very specific vaccinations... of course,
this is all *if* we choose to vaccinate after having watched the video
and educated ourselves.
I'm very fond of this pediatrician as she's encouraged us to educate
ourselves and seek homeopathic remedies before turning to conventional
medicine. Definitely our kind of doctor (now only if we could find a
GP like her!)
-Chris
--- In [email protected], "L. Amphay" <l_amphay@...>
wrote:
I'm not a lady, but hopefully I'm still allowed to respond. :)
That said, our homeopathic MD pediatrician (also specializes in
Chinese medicine and herbs) has recommended that we watch the Dr.
Tenpenny "Vaccines" DVD before we make a decision about vaccinating
our DS.
We purchased the video, but have yet to watch it.
Not all doctors are the same. In our case, our pediatrician says that
*if* we choose to vaccinate, that we would wait until our child's
immune system has developed and we would never do more than one
vaccination at a time. She also would not recommend the usual
"schedule" but rather, only very specific vaccinations... of course,
this is all *if* we choose to vaccinate after having watched the video
and educated ourselves.
I'm very fond of this pediatrician as she's encouraged us to educate
ourselves and seek homeopathic remedies before turning to conventional
medicine. Definitely our kind of doctor (now only if we could find a
GP like her!)
-Chris
--- In [email protected], "L. Amphay" <l_amphay@...>
wrote:
>
> Ladies,
>
> Does anyone know of any good books on the subject?
>
> Lucy
[email protected]
The Vaccine Guide (by Neustadtler? something like that)
I just lent it to a preggers friend.
Elissa Jill
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I just lent it to a preggers friend.
Elissa Jill
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pamela6000
There is tons of info on the net and in books regarding this. I
understand the family pressure..they are just completly uninformed. It
is your precious child. I dont tell everyone that our 2 girls..3 and 6
yrs are not vaxed. I tell some, but open minded ones only. I was in
Italy,EU when my first was born, as my dh is Italian. It was difficult
because he , and his family,could not understand why I did not want to
vax. It was my first , so I was also a bit scared like you. I read and
read and asked literally for some sign from the universe that I am
making the right decision. Right afterwards, some American friends of
ours had their little baby in an Italian hospital for a bad viral
illness. She was fine but the mom had to stay with her there for a
day. While there, there was a little baby screaming and crying all
night long in ICU, and the mom and family were crying saying..we know
it was the vaccine! She was just fine before it.
The next day, my friend was crying, being left alone in this hospital
and not knowing Italian language well. A mom came by to comfort her
saying, "dont worry, your child will be ok, it could be much worse,
like my little boy. THe boy was being carried in on his dads
shoulders. MY friend asked what was wrong as he looked healthy, and
the mother said he was fine until a vaccine, then he could no longer
walk again. He was eight yrs old now.
This scared my friend as she never thought much
about vaxing and we never even spoke of it together, though our dds
were the same age. She started to vax in America,,but just one or so
and was going to do the rest while living in Italy. SHe and her
husband changed their minds that day and never vaxed again. Her
husband told mine, which convinced him finally. Enough to pull some
strings with the ITalian state so they stopped bothering us!! (law
different there)
That was my story. We have 2 healthy girls. Never ear infections,
rarely colds (knock on wood...for my superstitiousness)We never went
to the well visits or to any pediatrician for that matter. We go to
homeopathic drs when needed or other alternative drs.
Good luck and just be informed! I have many downloaded articles on
this. If you want them. POst and I will send them out to you.
pamela
--- In [email protected], "Julie Peters"
<julieannpeters@...> wrote:
understand the family pressure..they are just completly uninformed. It
is your precious child. I dont tell everyone that our 2 girls..3 and 6
yrs are not vaxed. I tell some, but open minded ones only. I was in
Italy,EU when my first was born, as my dh is Italian. It was difficult
because he , and his family,could not understand why I did not want to
vax. It was my first , so I was also a bit scared like you. I read and
read and asked literally for some sign from the universe that I am
making the right decision. Right afterwards, some American friends of
ours had their little baby in an Italian hospital for a bad viral
illness. She was fine but the mom had to stay with her there for a
day. While there, there was a little baby screaming and crying all
night long in ICU, and the mom and family were crying saying..we know
it was the vaccine! She was just fine before it.
The next day, my friend was crying, being left alone in this hospital
and not knowing Italian language well. A mom came by to comfort her
saying, "dont worry, your child will be ok, it could be much worse,
like my little boy. THe boy was being carried in on his dads
shoulders. MY friend asked what was wrong as he looked healthy, and
the mother said he was fine until a vaccine, then he could no longer
walk again. He was eight yrs old now.
This scared my friend as she never thought much
about vaxing and we never even spoke of it together, though our dds
were the same age. She started to vax in America,,but just one or so
and was going to do the rest while living in Italy. SHe and her
husband changed their minds that day and never vaxed again. Her
husband told mine, which convinced him finally. Enough to pull some
strings with the ITalian state so they stopped bothering us!! (law
different there)
That was my story. We have 2 healthy girls. Never ear infections,
rarely colds (knock on wood...for my superstitiousness)We never went
to the well visits or to any pediatrician for that matter. We go to
homeopathic drs when needed or other alternative drs.
Good luck and just be informed! I have many downloaded articles on
this. If you want them. POst and I will send them out to you.
pamela
--- In [email protected], "Julie Peters"
<julieannpeters@...> wrote:
>for
> Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
> vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal-Free vaccines -
> or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices
> your children??
>
> My DB/SIL are expecting baby #1 in May and this seems to be a family
> debate right now. I was curious to see what others are doing.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Julie Peters
>
Ginger Sabo
"Vaccination: The Issue of Our Times" by O'Mara. There is a detailed discription of the disease as well as much information on each vaccine.
In Peace,
Ginger
Kai(7) and Kade(5)
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From: L. Amphay <l_amphay@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:24:01 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] OT - Vaccines??
Ladies,
Does anyone know of any good books on the subject?
Lucy
Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@yahoo. com> wrote: Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
*****
We opted out years ago -- my youngest is totally unvaxxed, the second has had a tetanus booster shot after an injury a couple of years ago.
You can request mercury/thimersol free vaxes -- but know that they really aren't mercury free. The process for making vaccines requires the use of thimersol, so they use it, then 'wash' it out, presumably removing all but a trace element. Really not truth in advertising, but vaxxing has never been that anyway.
For me, the biggest issue isn't that I consider all vaxes to be dangerous, it's that exposing a child's immune system to 6 or 8 viruses at a time, every few months is frightening. Never in the natural course of life would a body's immune system have to respond to all those invasions at one time, not to mention metabolizing the other chemicals in the vax mixes. As well, most of what's commonly vaccinated for I don't consider to be a big risk. I'd personally rather my kids had mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox and gain the lifelong immunity. I had them all as a child, so I don't need to worry about booster shots. Anyone who had the shots will need boosters thruout life to stay protected. And the vaxes aren't 100% -- sometimes they don't take at all, sometimes they take partially, leaving a person at risk for diseases that worsen when a person ages.
Sylvia
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Ginger
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From: L. Amphay <l_amphay@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:24:01 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] OT - Vaccines??
Ladies,
Does anyone know of any good books on the subject?
Lucy
Sylvia Toyama <sylgt04@yahoo. com> wrote: Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal- Free vaccines -
or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
your children??
*****
We opted out years ago -- my youngest is totally unvaxxed, the second has had a tetanus booster shot after an injury a couple of years ago.
You can request mercury/thimersol free vaxes -- but know that they really aren't mercury free. The process for making vaccines requires the use of thimersol, so they use it, then 'wash' it out, presumably removing all but a trace element. Really not truth in advertising, but vaxxing has never been that anyway.
For me, the biggest issue isn't that I consider all vaxes to be dangerous, it's that exposing a child's immune system to 6 or 8 viruses at a time, every few months is frightening. Never in the natural course of life would a body's immune system have to respond to all those invasions at one time, not to mention metabolizing the other chemicals in the vax mixes. As well, most of what's commonly vaccinated for I don't consider to be a big risk. I'd personally rather my kids had mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox and gain the lifelong immunity. I had them all as a child, so I don't need to worry about booster shots. Anyone who had the shots will need boosters thruout life to stay protected. And the vaxes aren't 100% -- sometimes they don't take at all, sometimes they take partially, leaving a person at risk for diseases that worsen when a person ages.
Sylvia
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Melissa
There's a whole big story behind vaccinations in our family, dh grew up in a family without
any vaccinations and they are the healthiest bunch you'd ever know (they don't use any
kind of medication at all). MIL is one of 13 never vaccinated, and dh is one of eight never
vaccinated, and there's something like 27 cousins, except for two of ours never
vaccinated. We have the only two autistic kids in this huge family, unusual for a genetic
disease, don't you think? Anyway, the short story is that we haven't vaccinated any of our
five younger ones, and most of all seven have had measles, rubella, mumps and
chickenpox. They've all had whooping cough.
It's not just the mercury for us, it's the whole swirl in one needle. There's more and more
research coming out about people with unusual immune systems reacting differently.
Children with chronic ear infections and measles shots, parents with unusual rubella
reactions and rubella shots, etc. For my husband it's anything that goes against the body
and the way it should work. I won't say our kids appear any healthier than others, they're
sick probably as often, but they react better to the illnesses, does that make sense? They
aren't sick as long, they can cope with minor headaches, bumps and bruises that send our
friends' kids screaming for tylenol and ice bags.
Anyway, cut it here so it's quick. other's have suggested some good reading, I'd also like
to suggest 'The Hundred Year Lie', by Randall Fitsgerald.
We're having the same discussion in our family, my brother and his wife are expecting
their first, and she won't even take a tums now because it'd be forcing medication on the
baby..but they are planning on vaccinating before the baby leaves the hospital because the
doctors know what they are saying.
Melissa
any vaccinations and they are the healthiest bunch you'd ever know (they don't use any
kind of medication at all). MIL is one of 13 never vaccinated, and dh is one of eight never
vaccinated, and there's something like 27 cousins, except for two of ours never
vaccinated. We have the only two autistic kids in this huge family, unusual for a genetic
disease, don't you think? Anyway, the short story is that we haven't vaccinated any of our
five younger ones, and most of all seven have had measles, rubella, mumps and
chickenpox. They've all had whooping cough.
It's not just the mercury for us, it's the whole swirl in one needle. There's more and more
research coming out about people with unusual immune systems reacting differently.
Children with chronic ear infections and measles shots, parents with unusual rubella
reactions and rubella shots, etc. For my husband it's anything that goes against the body
and the way it should work. I won't say our kids appear any healthier than others, they're
sick probably as often, but they react better to the illnesses, does that make sense? They
aren't sick as long, they can cope with minor headaches, bumps and bruises that send our
friends' kids screaming for tylenol and ice bags.
Anyway, cut it here so it's quick. other's have suggested some good reading, I'd also like
to suggest 'The Hundred Year Lie', by Randall Fitsgerald.
We're having the same discussion in our family, my brother and his wife are expecting
their first, and she won't even take a tums now because it'd be forcing medication on the
baby..but they are planning on vaccinating before the baby leaves the hospital because the
doctors know what they are saying.
Melissa
--- In [email protected], "Julie Peters" <julieannpeters@...> wrote:
>
> Just a quick OT question...has anyone here opted out of childhood
> vaccines completely -or- requested Mercury/Thimerosal-Free vaccines -
> or- gone against popular belief regarding other medical practices for
> your children??
>
> My DB/SIL are expecting baby #1 in May and this seems to be a family
> debate right now. I was curious to see what others are doing.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Julie Peters
>
Schuyler
Both Simon and Linnaea have been vaccinated. Actually, I keep pretty up to
date with my vaccinations as well. And Simon was on anti-malarial medication
when we were in Belize, he was 3 months old. Both are healthy, very healthy
and Linnaea, who just got measured for a pair of handmade shoes today, has
perfectly symmetric feet, which could be seen as a mark of growing in a very
healthy environment, one with fairly few health insults, even though she was
given multi-vax's as an infant.
Just my perspective. It probably helps me to be pretty secure in my view
having had a step mother who worked with polio victims. The risks of some of
the diseases seems so horrific.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
date with my vaccinations as well. And Simon was on anti-malarial medication
when we were in Belize, he was 3 months old. Both are healthy, very healthy
and Linnaea, who just got measured for a pair of handmade shoes today, has
perfectly symmetric feet, which could be seen as a mark of growing in a very
healthy environment, one with fairly few health insults, even though she was
given multi-vax's as an infant.
Just my perspective. It probably helps me to be pretty secure in my view
having had a step mother who worked with polio victims. The risks of some of
the diseases seems so horrific.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
Nicole Willoughby
Melissa .....
I was just wondering ...you said you had 2 autistic kids that have never been vaccinated? Not even hep b in the hospital at birth?
Im sure you arent the only but you will be the first person I have heard of who has autistic and non vaccinated kids. Even the Amish study that was done a while back....from what I understood the 2 they found in 4 hundred something people were adopted and had their vaccinations done.
My oldest 2 are fully vaccinated...though they wont be getting anymore. Oldest has mild autism and younger severe non verbal. My youngest has only had polio ...she would have had none but we had a baby coming to the church nursery from korea who was given the oral form of polio. This form of polio is live and there is risk of contacting polio from the vaccinated infant.
I think its something where you have to look at wether baby will be in daycare or at home. If the baby actually gets the disease will you still think that not vaccinating is the best thing you could have done? I personaly have different answers for different possible diseases.
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I was just wondering ...you said you had 2 autistic kids that have never been vaccinated? Not even hep b in the hospital at birth?
Im sure you arent the only but you will be the first person I have heard of who has autistic and non vaccinated kids. Even the Amish study that was done a while back....from what I understood the 2 they found in 4 hundred something people were adopted and had their vaccinations done.
My oldest 2 are fully vaccinated...though they wont be getting anymore. Oldest has mild autism and younger severe non verbal. My youngest has only had polio ...she would have had none but we had a baby coming to the church nursery from korea who was given the oral form of polio. This form of polio is live and there is risk of contacting polio from the vaccinated infant.
I think its something where you have to look at wether baby will be in daycare or at home. If the baby actually gets the disease will you still think that not vaccinating is the best thing you could have done? I personaly have different answers for different possible diseases.
Nicole
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Brad Holcomb
Zero vaccines for our 2 year/old, and he'll never get them. He's also never
seen a pediatrician, or any MD for that matter. I'm a former ICU nurse, so
I previously leaned more toward the mainstream. I researched the issues
intensively throughout the pregnancy. It came down to this: There are too
many unanswered questions about vaccines, and so the risk of my child
getting the diseases themselves looked like the better bet. In other words
the risk of harm from the shots seems bigger than the risk of being damaged
by one of the diseases they're intended to prevent. PLUS the vaccines don't
provide "immunity"...sometimes they just don't "take", other times they
require boosters, etc.
It appears to me that we know MUCH more about how the brain works (just as
an example) than we understand about the immune system. Yes, vaccines have
an "effect" measurable with titers, etc. But what are all of the side
effects? What are the long-term effects of monkeying with the immune system
as much as we do? Is the massive increase in the incidence of many diseases
in the past 10 or 20 years related to the growing list of "mandated" (for
public schooling) vaccines? Why has autism incidence increased 1000% in the
past 10 or 12 years (from 1 in 1500 kids to now 1 in 150)? Did it have
anything to do with the introduction of the HepB vaccine in 1991 or so,
which took a few years for all states to mandate, but is now given to babies
right after a hospital birth? And why even give a vaccine for Hepatitis B
(transmitted by sex or body fluids) to a neonate? Why not schedule it
closer to puberty, when the immune system might be able to deal with it
better? Why do Amish populations (who shun vaccines) have ZERO incidence of
autism? If our U.S. doctors are such experts, why does the U.S. rank 40th
in the world in mortality of children before the age of 1 (in other words,
39 other countries have healthier babies...this is from the CIA World
Factbook, available at cia.gov)?
I really think that 2 or 3 decades from now, we'll look back at our current
U.S. vaccine schedule (30 shots for 14 different things, all by the age of
2) and put it in the category of Lunacy, the same category we use for
transorbital lobotomies and other medical treatments from the past that
seemed to "work" in that they definitely had a measurable effect in the
moment, but caused irreparable harm.
-=Brad in Missouri
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seen a pediatrician, or any MD for that matter. I'm a former ICU nurse, so
I previously leaned more toward the mainstream. I researched the issues
intensively throughout the pregnancy. It came down to this: There are too
many unanswered questions about vaccines, and so the risk of my child
getting the diseases themselves looked like the better bet. In other words
the risk of harm from the shots seems bigger than the risk of being damaged
by one of the diseases they're intended to prevent. PLUS the vaccines don't
provide "immunity"...sometimes they just don't "take", other times they
require boosters, etc.
It appears to me that we know MUCH more about how the brain works (just as
an example) than we understand about the immune system. Yes, vaccines have
an "effect" measurable with titers, etc. But what are all of the side
effects? What are the long-term effects of monkeying with the immune system
as much as we do? Is the massive increase in the incidence of many diseases
in the past 10 or 20 years related to the growing list of "mandated" (for
public schooling) vaccines? Why has autism incidence increased 1000% in the
past 10 or 12 years (from 1 in 1500 kids to now 1 in 150)? Did it have
anything to do with the introduction of the HepB vaccine in 1991 or so,
which took a few years for all states to mandate, but is now given to babies
right after a hospital birth? And why even give a vaccine for Hepatitis B
(transmitted by sex or body fluids) to a neonate? Why not schedule it
closer to puberty, when the immune system might be able to deal with it
better? Why do Amish populations (who shun vaccines) have ZERO incidence of
autism? If our U.S. doctors are such experts, why does the U.S. rank 40th
in the world in mortality of children before the age of 1 (in other words,
39 other countries have healthier babies...this is from the CIA World
Factbook, available at cia.gov)?
I really think that 2 or 3 decades from now, we'll look back at our current
U.S. vaccine schedule (30 shots for 14 different things, all by the age of
2) and put it in the category of Lunacy, the same category we use for
transorbital lobotomies and other medical treatments from the past that
seemed to "work" in that they definitely had a measurable effect in the
moment, but caused irreparable harm.
-=Brad in Missouri
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From: list.brad@...
I really think that 2 or 3 decades from now, we'll look back at our
current
U.S. vaccine schedule (30 shots for 14 different things, all by the age
of
2) and put it in the category of Lunacy, the same category we use for
transorbital lobotomies and other medical treatments from the past that
seemed to "work" in that they definitely had a measurable effect in the
moment, but caused irreparable harm.
-=-=-=
Many veterinarians have already done this---and especially with certain
breeds which are more prone to auto-immune issues after being attacked
with so many vaccines in ONE shot (DHLPPCC). Had little to do with the
veterinarians---it was the breeders who saw the problems and pointed
them out to the vets. <g>
~Kelly
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From: list.brad@...
I really think that 2 or 3 decades from now, we'll look back at our
current
U.S. vaccine schedule (30 shots for 14 different things, all by the age
of
2) and put it in the category of Lunacy, the same category we use for
transorbital lobotomies and other medical treatments from the past that
seemed to "work" in that they definitely had a measurable effect in the
moment, but caused irreparable harm.
-=-=-=
Many veterinarians have already done this---and especially with certain
breeds which are more prone to auto-immune issues after being attacked
with so many vaccines in ONE shot (DHLPPCC). Had little to do with the
veterinarians---it was the breeders who saw the problems and pointed
them out to the vets. <g>
~Kelly
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L. Amphay
Chris,
I appreciate your reply. How did you find your homeopathic MD pediatrician? If I could find someone practicing homeopathic MD in pediatrics, or family medicine I would call today. I've heard of Dr. Tenpenny, and will look for this DVD.
Thank-you,
Lucy
Chris <chris@...> wrote: Lucy,
I'm not a lady, but hopefully I'm still allowed to respond. :)
That said, our homeopathic MD pediatrician (also specializes in
Chinese medicine and herbs) has recommended that we watch the Dr.
Tenpenny "Vaccines" DVD before we make a decision about vaccinating
our DS.
We purchased the video, but have yet to watch it.
Not all doctors are the same. In our case, our pediatrician says that
*if* we choose to vaccinate, that we would wait until our child's
immune system has developed and we would never do more than one
vaccination at a time. She also would not recommend the usual
"schedule" but rather, only very specific vaccinations... of course,
this is all *if* we choose to vaccinate after having watched the video
and educated ourselves.
I'm very fond of this pediatrician as she's encouraged us to educate
ourselves and seek homeopathic remedies before turning to conventional
medicine. Definitely our kind of doctor (now only if we could find a
GP like her!)
-Chris
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I appreciate your reply. How did you find your homeopathic MD pediatrician? If I could find someone practicing homeopathic MD in pediatrics, or family medicine I would call today. I've heard of Dr. Tenpenny, and will look for this DVD.
Thank-you,
Lucy
Chris <chris@...> wrote: Lucy,
I'm not a lady, but hopefully I'm still allowed to respond. :)
That said, our homeopathic MD pediatrician (also specializes in
Chinese medicine and herbs) has recommended that we watch the Dr.
Tenpenny "Vaccines" DVD before we make a decision about vaccinating
our DS.
We purchased the video, but have yet to watch it.
Not all doctors are the same. In our case, our pediatrician says that
*if* we choose to vaccinate, that we would wait until our child's
immune system has developed and we would never do more than one
vaccination at a time. She also would not recommend the usual
"schedule" but rather, only very specific vaccinations... of course,
this is all *if* we choose to vaccinate after having watched the video
and educated ourselves.
I'm very fond of this pediatrician as she's encouraged us to educate
ourselves and seek homeopathic remedies before turning to conventional
medicine. Definitely our kind of doctor (now only if we could find a
GP like her!)
-Chris
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wrote:
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> Ladies,
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> Does anyone know of any good books on the subject?
>
> Lucy
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In a message dated 2/21/2007 5:57:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Many veterinarians have already done this---and especially with certain
breeds which are more prone to auto-immune issues after being attacked
with so many vaccines in ONE shot (DHLPPCC). Had little to do with the
veterinarians-veterinarians-<WBR>--it was the breeders who saw the pr
them out to the vets. <g>
~Kelly
now that you brought this up, are there no-vaccine vets?? we just got a
puppy and I hate the idea of all these medical tests, shots, worming, poisons. It
seems crazy!
Adriana
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Many veterinarians have already done this---and especially with certain
breeds which are more prone to auto-immune issues after being attacked
with so many vaccines in ONE shot (DHLPPCC). Had little to do with the
veterinarians-veterinarians-<WBR>--it was the breeders who saw the pr
them out to the vets. <g>
~Kelly
now that you brought this up, are there no-vaccine vets?? we just got a
puppy and I hate the idea of all these medical tests, shots, worming, poisons. It
seems crazy!
Adriana
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Katharine Wise
I remember hearing someone comment, quite eloquently, on this subject once. The gist of what she said was that vaccinations are one of those things that are highly debated. We really don't know one way or the other. So the decision we have to make is this: with which choice will we be able to live with ourselves if we turn out to be wrong? Going to be a different answer for everyone, but it took the pressure off for me of having to make the "right" choice. Instead I just had to decide which one I could forgive myself for if I turned out to be wrong.
Katharine
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rosefurney1111
My 2 youngest are completely vax free, my oldest,unfortunately, had
all the "baby shots" that were "recommended" in 1987. I wasn't aware
that I even had a choice back then and I hadn't begun my journey into
alternative medicine yet. He seemed to get sick more often than my
other 2. I read a really good book when I was pregnant with my 2nd(12
years ago!) that gave both sides of the issue, which I appreciated-no
scare tactics, just information. I can't remember the name of it, but
I believe it was put out by Mothering mag. We've moved a fair amount
but I've always managed to find a family practice dr. who, although
may not share my opinion about vaccines, at least honors my right to
make a choice. We hardly ever go to a dr.anyway, but I like to have
one just in case and there have been times I've used them for
diagnosis when herbs and homeopathics don't seem to be working and
then I treated it accordingly with alternative medicine or went to my
naturopath. Sometimes I get "eye rolls" from people who don't share my
opinion, but it doesn't bother me. I wish that the medical community
would give parents all the information about vaccines and say, "Read
this information and then make the choices that you feel are best for
your children." (Ahhh, in a dream world...!) What I have noticed is
that my kids are healthy and have very strong immune systems that work
like they're supposed to! Both of my kids had the chicken pox and
neither of them had a very bad case. They have been exposed now
numerous times and have never gotten it again. The power of a strong
immune system! There also are a number of homeopathic remedies for
diseases that there are vaccinations for, such as pertussis, tetnus. I
had an MD when we lived in Ohio who used all homeopathy in his
practice. He put out a little booklet about specific remedies for
some common diseases. I would think any homeopathic practictioner
would know what to use. Anyway, that's my 2 cents!
Rose
all the "baby shots" that were "recommended" in 1987. I wasn't aware
that I even had a choice back then and I hadn't begun my journey into
alternative medicine yet. He seemed to get sick more often than my
other 2. I read a really good book when I was pregnant with my 2nd(12
years ago!) that gave both sides of the issue, which I appreciated-no
scare tactics, just information. I can't remember the name of it, but
I believe it was put out by Mothering mag. We've moved a fair amount
but I've always managed to find a family practice dr. who, although
may not share my opinion about vaccines, at least honors my right to
make a choice. We hardly ever go to a dr.anyway, but I like to have
one just in case and there have been times I've used them for
diagnosis when herbs and homeopathics don't seem to be working and
then I treated it accordingly with alternative medicine or went to my
naturopath. Sometimes I get "eye rolls" from people who don't share my
opinion, but it doesn't bother me. I wish that the medical community
would give parents all the information about vaccines and say, "Read
this information and then make the choices that you feel are best for
your children." (Ahhh, in a dream world...!) What I have noticed is
that my kids are healthy and have very strong immune systems that work
like they're supposed to! Both of my kids had the chicken pox and
neither of them had a very bad case. They have been exposed now
numerous times and have never gotten it again. The power of a strong
immune system! There also are a number of homeopathic remedies for
diseases that there are vaccinations for, such as pertussis, tetnus. I
had an MD when we lived in Ohio who used all homeopathy in his
practice. He put out a little booklet about specific remedies for
some common diseases. I would think any homeopathic practictioner
would know what to use. Anyway, that's my 2 cents!
Rose
>
Deborah Greenspan
How has anyone avoided the vaccine the child gets at birth when born in the
hospital?
Deborah
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hospital?
Deborah
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Eugenie van Ruitenbeek
They say that the shots give the body the opportunity to make anitbodies.
The presence of antibodies would prove the body to be safe when the disease
arise. But this is not true!! Antibodies prove that the body has been
visited by the disease. Nothing more. When we look at AIDS, we now know that
the occurrence of antibodies mean that you are in danger.
It is all a bunge of lies, IMO. Follow the money. and you know why this is
all happenning. Governement, doctors, parents are all hypnotized for many
years and this will continue for a long time because a lot of people don't
want to wake up.. How difficult it is when you have to say. " I thought I
did the best thing for my baby but I did not collect any information, I just
did what the majority was doing and now my child is
suffering/handicapt/dead??" I don't know if I could face such a truth
myself..
Eugenie
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The presence of antibodies would prove the body to be safe when the disease
arise. But this is not true!! Antibodies prove that the body has been
visited by the disease. Nothing more. When we look at AIDS, we now know that
the occurrence of antibodies mean that you are in danger.
It is all a bunge of lies, IMO. Follow the money. and you know why this is
all happenning. Governement, doctors, parents are all hypnotized for many
years and this will continue for a long time because a lot of people don't
want to wake up.. How difficult it is when you have to say. " I thought I
did the best thing for my baby but I did not collect any information, I just
did what the majority was doing and now my child is
suffering/handicapt/dead??" I don't know if I could face such a truth
myself..
Eugenie
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Eugenie van Ruitenbeek
I gently dissagree with this way of looking at it. There is a lot of
scientic research that proves that vaccines do not work, causes harm and so
on. There is no hard evidence that it is safe, lifesaving and doing its job.
Eugenie
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Katharine Wise
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: OT - Vaccines??
I remember hearing someone comment, quite eloquently, on this subject once.
The gist of what she said was that vaccinations are one of those things that
are highly debated. We really don't know one way or the other. So the
decision we have to make is this: with which choice will we be able to live
with ourselves if we turn out to be wrong? Going to be a different answer
for everyone, but it took the pressure off for me of having to make the
"right" choice. Instead I just had to decide which one I could forgive
myself for if I turned out to be wrong.
Katharine
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scientic research that proves that vaccines do not work, causes harm and so
on. There is no hard evidence that it is safe, lifesaving and doing its job.
Eugenie
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Katharine Wise
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: OT - Vaccines??
I remember hearing someone comment, quite eloquently, on this subject once.
The gist of what she said was that vaccinations are one of those things that
are highly debated. We really don't know one way or the other. So the
decision we have to make is this: with which choice will we be able to live
with ourselves if we turn out to be wrong? Going to be a different answer
for everyone, but it took the pressure off for me of having to make the
"right" choice. Instead I just had to decide which one I could forgive
myself for if I turned out to be wrong.
Katharine
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Carrie Kimball
I really like the book Vaccination: An Informed Parents Guide by Aviva Jill Romm. I feel like it presents a very very well researched case for each vaccine independently, addressess the implications of each age group and so forth. It does it without any pseudoscientific weirdness, melodrama and other distracting tactics. It's like "here's the disease, Here's the vaccine, make an informed decision."
She says in her book that she intentionally leaves out her own personal choices and decisions because she feels it's important to help parents choose for themselves, I know she chose not to vax.
Neither of my kids have had vaccines, but we have still had to deal with ear infections (dairy related), eczema (not sure yet), the kids have had generally healthy lives, the four year old has never had any antibiotics and so on, but the baby has, so it has been a pretty comparitive picture to my friends three kids who are fully vaccinated and have great health as well. I only mention that because while I know of and believe in vaccine damaged kids, most kids who get vaccines are going to be fine. It's just that its a roulette wheel, and no one can predict whose kid will have a problem. And some folks don't vaccinate and their kids can still get sick or have health issues otherwise derived.
For me, the decision was as another poster said, about the risks I was willing to take, and for me- What do I feel comfortable explaining to my kids when they are adults about the choices I made about their health? And this was the place I got to of comfort. I will do the mumps vaccine if they have a negative titer toward age 10 or so, and chicken pox if they are in adolscence with a negative titer. Offer it that is. At that point, they can make their own choice.
Carrie
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She says in her book that she intentionally leaves out her own personal choices and decisions because she feels it's important to help parents choose for themselves, I know she chose not to vax.
Neither of my kids have had vaccines, but we have still had to deal with ear infections (dairy related), eczema (not sure yet), the kids have had generally healthy lives, the four year old has never had any antibiotics and so on, but the baby has, so it has been a pretty comparitive picture to my friends three kids who are fully vaccinated and have great health as well. I only mention that because while I know of and believe in vaccine damaged kids, most kids who get vaccines are going to be fine. It's just that its a roulette wheel, and no one can predict whose kid will have a problem. And some folks don't vaccinate and their kids can still get sick or have health issues otherwise derived.
For me, the decision was as another poster said, about the risks I was willing to take, and for me- What do I feel comfortable explaining to my kids when they are adults about the choices I made about their health? And this was the place I got to of comfort. I will do the mumps vaccine if they have a negative titer toward age 10 or so, and chicken pox if they are in adolscence with a negative titer. Offer it that is. At that point, they can make their own choice.
Carrie
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Melissa
Well, we moved to homebirths. that's a very easy way to avoid it. However, we have had four
hospital births, and i just said, We do not vaccinate. It helps when you are present with your
baby the entire time. They room in with you, don't go to the nursery alone, etc. With my
oldest, they did all of that against our wishes when the baby was alone with them.
Melissa
hospital births, and i just said, We do not vaccinate. It helps when you are present with your
baby the entire time. They room in with you, don't go to the nursery alone, etc. With my
oldest, they did all of that against our wishes when the baby was alone with them.
Melissa
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>
> How has anyone avoided the vaccine the child gets at birth when born in the
> hospital?
>
>
> Deborah
>
>
>
>
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Melissa
No, my two autistic kids have been vaccinated. When my daughter regressed was when I
stopped vaccinating. on my autism board, there are a few people who have not vaccinated
and have children with autism, but out of 1500 on the board, it's three families maybe?
You're right on the Amish study, the two autistics were adoped and have been vaccinated.
I think my letter got confusing when i posted about my husbands family, who hasn't ever
had a vaccination among 150. They don't use any kind of medication, and I went against
that because of my mainstream fears. I had also typed out the details of our vaccination
schedule, and deleted because it was too long. I might have erased some info on that.
My younger ones have not been vaccinated. They do not have autism. When you look at
the argument that autism must be genetic, that blows the theory out of the water. How
can you have a genetic disease that only affect the first two out of seven children? The only
thing those two have in common that no other child shares is a bad reaction to vaccines.
Melissa
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wrote:
stopped vaccinating. on my autism board, there are a few people who have not vaccinated
and have children with autism, but out of 1500 on the board, it's three families maybe?
You're right on the Amish study, the two autistics were adoped and have been vaccinated.
I think my letter got confusing when i posted about my husbands family, who hasn't ever
had a vaccination among 150. They don't use any kind of medication, and I went against
that because of my mainstream fears. I had also typed out the details of our vaccination
schedule, and deleted because it was too long. I might have erased some info on that.
My younger ones have not been vaccinated. They do not have autism. When you look at
the argument that autism must be genetic, that blows the theory out of the water. How
can you have a genetic disease that only affect the first two out of seven children? The only
thing those two have in common that no other child shares is a bad reaction to vaccines.
Melissa
--- In [email protected], Nicole Willoughby <cncnawilloughby@...>
wrote:
>vaccinated? Not even hep b in the hospital at birth?
> Melissa .....
>
> I was just wondering ...you said you had 2 autistic kids that have never been
>
Chris
Hi Lucy,
We were lucky that a website for a midwife here in the SF Bay Area had
lots of references to alternative friendly practitioners (obgyns,
doctors, midwives, pediatricians, etc).
As for finding them in your local area, best bet is to just do a
search for homeopathy and pediatrician and your local area. Then go
through the results to find the very few MDs left.
That's how I found a homeopathic MD I am considering using for my GP
next time I decide to see a doctor (which is rare, but occasionally I
want to get bloodwork done since I have some genetic predispositions I
like to keep an eye on).
Sorry I can't be of more help. :( Though if you're in the SF Bay
Area, then let me know and I'll send you the link to that website.
-Chris
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wrote:
pediatrics, or family medicine I would call today. I've heard of Dr.
Tenpenny, and will look for this DVD.
We were lucky that a website for a midwife here in the SF Bay Area had
lots of references to alternative friendly practitioners (obgyns,
doctors, midwives, pediatricians, etc).
As for finding them in your local area, best bet is to just do a
search for homeopathy and pediatrician and your local area. Then go
through the results to find the very few MDs left.
That's how I found a homeopathic MD I am considering using for my GP
next time I decide to see a doctor (which is rare, but occasionally I
want to get bloodwork done since I have some genetic predispositions I
like to keep an eye on).
Sorry I can't be of more help. :( Though if you're in the SF Bay
Area, then let me know and I'll send you the link to that website.
-Chris
--- In [email protected], "L. Amphay" <l_amphay@...>
wrote:
>pediatrician? If I could find someone practicing homeopathic MD in
> Chris,
>
> I appreciate your reply. How did you find your homeopathic MD
pediatrics, or family medicine I would call today. I've heard of Dr.
Tenpenny, and will look for this DVD.
>
> Thank-you,
>
> Lucy
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I just simply said " i do not consent" they CANNOT give the child the shot
if the parents do not consent to give it.
In a message dated 2/22/2007 6:37:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dgreens1@... writes:
How has anyone avoided the vaccine the child gets at birth when born in the
hospital?
Deborah
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if the parents do not consent to give it.
In a message dated 2/22/2007 6:37:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dgreens1@... writes:
How has anyone avoided the vaccine the child gets at birth when born in the
hospital?
Deborah
~Alyssa in IL
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
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