candy, teeth, and brushing
alisonslp
OK, I have to say that not brushing your teeth EVER is just
disgusting. Now, I know that kids' mouths are different than adults
but ?I can't imagine that the bacteria doesn't eventually grow to
dangerous levels. I know that if my son doesn't brush his tongue every
couple of days, it looks disgusting and his breath just stinks!! Kids
(like many adults) may not understand or care about the consequences
but the are very real - danger of rotting teeth, full body infection
(this is more common than most people realize), and people not wanting
to be around you.
Beyond that, in terms of teeth and decay, obviously it's more than
just sugar that does it. But sugar is a big factor. It readily sticks
to the gums and teeth and is a perfect food to help the bacteria grow.
But chewing sugarless gum can help get rid of a lot of the sugar - it
increases the saliva production and helps to break down the sugars,
which you just swallow with your saliva. A lot of dentists now
recommend this to parents for many kids who have had bad luck with
cavities at a young age and it's not just for candy and chocolate -
but for anything with high sugar content, including fruits. Swishing
water in the mouth helps as well. Sometime this is better because the
water can go through the spaces between teeth.
We are not the greatest with teeth brushing (well, I am because I have
health problems and can't afford any addition possibility of infection
through my mouth) . As long as the kids brush at least once a day, I'm
happy. They usually choose night time, but sometimes they will
remember to brush in the morning too. And sometimes if they're really
tired they won't brush at night. But I also buy mouth washes that they
like to use (both the flouride ones and the staining ones). IT
motivates them to brush and I'm assuming (though maybe wrongly so)
that the alcohol in it must kill at least some of the germs in the mouth.
Alison
disgusting. Now, I know that kids' mouths are different than adults
but ?I can't imagine that the bacteria doesn't eventually grow to
dangerous levels. I know that if my son doesn't brush his tongue every
couple of days, it looks disgusting and his breath just stinks!! Kids
(like many adults) may not understand or care about the consequences
but the are very real - danger of rotting teeth, full body infection
(this is more common than most people realize), and people not wanting
to be around you.
Beyond that, in terms of teeth and decay, obviously it's more than
just sugar that does it. But sugar is a big factor. It readily sticks
to the gums and teeth and is a perfect food to help the bacteria grow.
But chewing sugarless gum can help get rid of a lot of the sugar - it
increases the saliva production and helps to break down the sugars,
which you just swallow with your saliva. A lot of dentists now
recommend this to parents for many kids who have had bad luck with
cavities at a young age and it's not just for candy and chocolate -
but for anything with high sugar content, including fruits. Swishing
water in the mouth helps as well. Sometime this is better because the
water can go through the spaces between teeth.
We are not the greatest with teeth brushing (well, I am because I have
health problems and can't afford any addition possibility of infection
through my mouth) . As long as the kids brush at least once a day, I'm
happy. They usually choose night time, but sometimes they will
remember to brush in the morning too. And sometimes if they're really
tired they won't brush at night. But I also buy mouth washes that they
like to use (both the flouride ones and the staining ones). IT
motivates them to brush and I'm assuming (though maybe wrongly so)
that the alcohol in it must kill at least some of the germs in the mouth.
Alison
Ren Allen
~~OK, I have to say that not brushing your teeth EVER is just
disgusting. ~~
Yes, but that's a societal thing. The Native Americans didn't brush.
From what I've read, many of them had very thick layers of plaque
covering their teeth, yet their teeth were very healthy. A lot of our
ideas about hygeine aren't really about safety or health...just
messages we've been handed.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
disgusting. ~~
Yes, but that's a societal thing. The Native Americans didn't brush.
From what I've read, many of them had very thick layers of plaque
covering their teeth, yet their teeth were very healthy. A lot of our
ideas about hygeine aren't really about safety or health...just
messages we've been handed.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/8/2007 12:40:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
The Native Americans didn't brush.
From what I've read, many of them had very thick layers of plaque
covering their teeth, yet their teeth were very healthy.
plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart disease, cancer,
diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes survivors of organ
transplants less likely to accept their new organ.
Adriana
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starsuncloud@... writes:
The Native Americans didn't brush.
From what I've read, many of them had very thick layers of plaque
covering their teeth, yet their teeth were very healthy.
plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart disease, cancer,
diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes survivors of organ
transplants less likely to accept their new organ.
Adriana
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sherkinpirate
--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
Meanwhile people in the Middle East and India use the twigs of trees -
respectively the miswak and neem trees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_hygiene
** pirateking **
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>But the Native Ameicans didn't eat refined sugars.
> ~~OK, I have to say that not brushing your teeth EVER is just
> disgusting. ~~
>
> Yes, but that's a societal thing. The Native Americans didn't brush.
> From what I've read, many of them had very thick layers of plaque
> covering their teeth, yet their teeth were very healthy. A lot of our
> ideas about hygeine aren't really about safety or health...just
> messages we've been handed.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
Meanwhile people in the Middle East and India use the twigs of trees -
respectively the miswak and neem trees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_hygiene
** pirateking **
Ren Allen
~~plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart disease,
cancer, diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes
survivors of organ transplants less likely to accept their new organ.~~
You're stating this as though it's always true...it's NOT.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
cancer, diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes
survivors of organ transplants less likely to accept their new organ.~~
You're stating this as though it's always true...it's NOT.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/8/2007 10:50:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
~~plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart disease,
cancer, diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes
survivors of organ transplants less likely to accept their new organ.~~
You're stating this as though it's always true...it's NOT.
Ren
Here is this better? ~~plaque often can lead to gum disease. gum disease
leads to heart disease, cancer, diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood
infections and makes survivors of organ transplants less likely to accept their
new organ.~~
so if it can why take that chance? especially since gum disease also makes
breath stinky! (always true) and if you say that some people might not think
it smells bad, then that's just too funny because the closest thing to the
smell of true gum disease breath are POOP and garbage and I don't think anyone
wants to smell those things!
Adriana
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starsuncloud@... writes:
~~plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart disease,
cancer, diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes
survivors of organ transplants less likely to accept their new organ.~~
You're stating this as though it's always true...it's NOT.
Ren
Here is this better? ~~plaque often can lead to gum disease. gum disease
leads to heart disease, cancer, diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood
infections and makes survivors of organ transplants less likely to accept their
new organ.~~
so if it can why take that chance? especially since gum disease also makes
breath stinky! (always true) and if you say that some people might not think
it smells bad, then that's just too funny because the closest thing to the
smell of true gum disease breath are POOP and garbage and I don't think anyone
wants to smell those things!
Adriana
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Deb Lewis
***plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart disease, cancer,
diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes survivors of
organ
transplants less likely to accept their new organ.***
Plaque *can* lead to gum disease but many people who have had plaque and do
not have gum disease belie your declaration of absolutes.
Gum disease *can* lead to other infection or illness but many people who
have gum disease do not have and will not get heart disease, cancer,
diabetes, blah, blah, blah and so your statement is another exaggeration.
Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants.
Extreme cases and rare illness is not the norm. It is not the experience
most people will have and it is certainly not the experience most
unschoolers will have.
Deb Lewis
diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makes survivors of
organ
transplants less likely to accept their new organ.***
Plaque *can* lead to gum disease but many people who have had plaque and do
not have gum disease belie your declaration of absolutes.
Gum disease *can* lead to other infection or illness but many people who
have gum disease do not have and will not get heart disease, cancer,
diabetes, blah, blah, blah and so your statement is another exaggeration.
Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants.
Extreme cases and rare illness is not the norm. It is not the experience
most people will have and it is certainly not the experience most
unschoolers will have.
Deb Lewis
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/8/2007 12:30:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d.lewis@... writes:
Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants.
Extreme cases and rare illness is not the norm. It is not the experience
most people will have and it is certainly not the experience most
unschoolers will have.
Deb Lewis
it isn't extreme at all to link heart disease and blood problems to bad
teeth. just talk to a periodontal surgeon. my better half's mom is one so he
hears about it all the time. gum disease prevention and general disease
prevention have (in the medical field) become very closely related!
also, my son was born with the possibility of needing a new liver some day
and it was him I was talking about.
in regards to the "rotted out tooth should have been addressed long before
it became a problem" comment. It was a filled tooth not only filled but
covered with that stuff that they use to make molars more flat and less prone to
getting gunk in them (don't know the name). It looked great to me and the
dentist from the outside. I made the error of limiting the amount of xrays they
take (I hate the idea of lots of radiation) and they didn't detect it on time.
My son didn't talk about any pain. One day his cheek was huge and that was
the day we took him in and realized an abscess had formed. It was not visible
until the cheek swelled and then they did the xray and everything became very
clear.
I have a regret about getting that tooth filled to begin with and now feel
that with baby cavities and molars, and extraction (with a spacer, if needed)
makes more sense. but dentists are very slow to want to extract these days
because of orthodontic concerns.
Adriana
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d.lewis@... writes:
Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants.
Extreme cases and rare illness is not the norm. It is not the experience
most people will have and it is certainly not the experience most
unschoolers will have.
Deb Lewis
it isn't extreme at all to link heart disease and blood problems to bad
teeth. just talk to a periodontal surgeon. my better half's mom is one so he
hears about it all the time. gum disease prevention and general disease
prevention have (in the medical field) become very closely related!
also, my son was born with the possibility of needing a new liver some day
and it was him I was talking about.
in regards to the "rotted out tooth should have been addressed long before
it became a problem" comment. It was a filled tooth not only filled but
covered with that stuff that they use to make molars more flat and less prone to
getting gunk in them (don't know the name). It looked great to me and the
dentist from the outside. I made the error of limiting the amount of xrays they
take (I hate the idea of lots of radiation) and they didn't detect it on time.
My son didn't talk about any pain. One day his cheek was huge and that was
the day we took him in and realized an abscess had formed. It was not visible
until the cheek swelled and then they did the xray and everything became very
clear.
I have a regret about getting that tooth filled to begin with and now feel
that with baby cavities and molars, and extraction (with a spacer, if needed)
makes more sense. but dentists are very slow to want to extract these days
because of orthodontic concerns.
Adriana
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Ariannah Armstrong
singdoula@... wrote:
Ariannah in Nova Scotia.
(sorry to be OT)
--
"May we all have a vision now and then
Of a world where every neighbour is a friend"
Abba "Happy New Year" 1980
Personal Blog: http://ec.lecti.ca
> AdrianaOh cool your name is quite similar looking to mine, neato.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia.
(sorry to be OT)
--
"May we all have a vision now and then
Of a world where every neighbour is a friend"
Abba "Happy New Year" 1980
Personal Blog: http://ec.lecti.ca
[email protected]
so if it can why take that chance?
********
Life itself is full of chance.
Jumping out of an airplane can lead to death.
The risk can be drastically reduced by wearing a well packed and in good repair parachute, taking classes, joining email lists to hear other's experience of skydiving, and many other things.
Again, loads of choices between jumping with no thought and complete avoidance of planes.
Elissa Jill
OTN:
silk/wool blend tie front mini sweater
http://mystikmusings.blogspot.com/
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********
Life itself is full of chance.
Jumping out of an airplane can lead to death.
The risk can be drastically reduced by wearing a well packed and in good repair parachute, taking classes, joining email lists to hear other's experience of skydiving, and many other things.
Again, loads of choices between jumping with no thought and complete avoidance of planes.
Elissa Jill
OTN:
silk/wool blend tie front mini sweater
http://mystikmusings.blogspot.com/
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/8/2007 1:44:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
adagio@... writes:
Oh cool your name is quite similar looking to mine, neato.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia.
LOL I saw yours and thought it was me writing a typo :-) I like yours,
especially with the "h" in the end!
Adriana
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adagio@... writes:
Oh cool your name is quite similar looking to mine, neato.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia.
LOL I saw yours and thought it was me writing a typo :-) I like yours,
especially with the "h" in the end!
Adriana
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plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], singdoula@... wrote:
address our concerns about our kids health while still respecting our
kids autonomy?
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
>> so if it can why take that chance?To approach this question from an unschooling standpoint, how can we
address our concerns about our kids health while still respecting our
kids autonomy?
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
kristenhendricks55
"Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants."
Why is that?
--- In [email protected], "Deb Lewis" <d.lewis@...>
wrote:
Why is that?
--- In [email protected], "Deb Lewis" <d.lewis@...>
wrote:
>disease, cancer,
> ***plaque leads to gum disease. gum disease leads to heart
> diabetes, low birth weight babies, blood infections and makessurvivors of
> organplaque and do
> transplants less likely to accept their new organ.***
>
> Plaque *can* lead to gum disease but many people who have had
> not have gum disease belie your declaration of absolutes.people who
>
> Gum disease *can* lead to other infection or illness but many
> have gum disease do not have and will not get heart disease,cancer,
> diabetes, blah, blah, blah and so your statement is anotherexaggeration.
>experience
> Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants.
>
> Extreme cases and rare illness is not the norm. It is not the
> most people will have and it is certainly not the experience most
> unschoolers will have.
>
> Deb Lewis
>
alisonslp
--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
of it, at least to a certain extent, we have to concede to certain
societal standards. Perhaps it's just my hangup but I know I don't
want to be near anyone whose breath stinks really bad. BTW, that
includes coffee breath - eeewww... LOL (OK, so that's definitely my
hangup - I hate the smell of coffee.. but that's going way off topic now)
alison
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
> Yes, but that's a societal thing. ... A lot of ourPoint taken, but we live in this society and if we want to be a part
> ideas about hygeine aren't really about safety or health...just
> messages we've been handed.
of it, at least to a certain extent, we have to concede to certain
societal standards. Perhaps it's just my hangup but I know I don't
want to be near anyone whose breath stinks really bad. BTW, that
includes coffee breath - eeewww... LOL (OK, so that's definitely my
hangup - I hate the smell of coffee.. but that's going way off topic now)
alison
walker_unschool
Well , heres my two cents on the whole teeth brushing , teeth falling
out, candy ordeal. Plain and simple really but oh well here it
goes...my children brush their teeth not because I talked them into it,
not becuase they were TOLD to , not becuase I told them their teeth
would rot out, but simply becuase at an early age they saw me brushing
my teeth and caring for MY teeth because I like to have white teeth,
sooooo they brush their teeth. I beleive that certain "habits" are
learned habits and I think teeth brushing is one of em. It doesnt
matter how much candy you eat or how many apples you down. I brush my
teeth becuase it feels good, done and done, and so do my kidlets. My
son will go a day without brushing and then NEED to brush becuase he
doesnt like the feel of scum on his teeth...Its never evne been an
issue here , but it has just always been something we all do together.
*shrug*
sarah
out, candy ordeal. Plain and simple really but oh well here it
goes...my children brush their teeth not because I talked them into it,
not becuase they were TOLD to , not becuase I told them their teeth
would rot out, but simply becuase at an early age they saw me brushing
my teeth and caring for MY teeth because I like to have white teeth,
sooooo they brush their teeth. I beleive that certain "habits" are
learned habits and I think teeth brushing is one of em. It doesnt
matter how much candy you eat or how many apples you down. I brush my
teeth becuase it feels good, done and done, and so do my kidlets. My
son will go a day without brushing and then NEED to brush becuase he
doesnt like the feel of scum on his teeth...Its never evne been an
issue here , but it has just always been something we all do together.
*shrug*
sarah
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/8/2007 10:14:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
alisonslp@... writes:
Perhaps it's just my hangup but I know I don't
want to be near anyone whose breath stinks really bad. BTW, that
includes coffee breath - eeewww... LOL (OK, so that's definitely my
hangup -
LOL. You are not alone. I share your hang up Alison! There is nothing ON
EARTH more offensive to me than stinky breath!!! I'm grossed out almost as much
by that as I am by people who don't bathe and who don't teach their children
to bathe. Its so sad when you see a beautiful little child with stringy
greasy hair and crusty dirt all over them. (not dirt from playing and being a
happy kid, dirt from not having had a bath in 5 days) Sometimes I have to look
away or I'll cry!
Adriana
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alisonslp@... writes:
Perhaps it's just my hangup but I know I don't
want to be near anyone whose breath stinks really bad. BTW, that
includes coffee breath - eeewww... LOL (OK, so that's definitely my
hangup -
LOL. You are not alone. I share your hang up Alison! There is nothing ON
EARTH more offensive to me than stinky breath!!! I'm grossed out almost as much
by that as I am by people who don't bathe and who don't teach their children
to bathe. Its so sad when you see a beautiful little child with stringy
greasy hair and crusty dirt all over them. (not dirt from playing and being a
happy kid, dirt from not having had a bath in 5 days) Sometimes I have to look
away or I'll cry!
Adriana
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Deb Lewis
"Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants."
***Why is that?***
Because unschoolers make up an extremely small percentage of the population.
What are the statistics on organ transplantation - something like thirty
thousand people per year in the US? What are the odds a significant
number of those would be unschoolers? While it's a serious topic it will
not be a common experience of most unschoolers on this list.
Deb Lewis
***Why is that?***
Because unschoolers make up an extremely small percentage of the population.
What are the statistics on organ transplantation - something like thirty
thousand people per year in the US? What are the odds a significant
number of those would be unschoolers? While it's a serious topic it will
not be a common experience of most unschoolers on this list.
Deb Lewis
Kristen Hendricks
When I asked "why is that", what I meant was why is that your reasoning? I would assume that if you child was in a life or death situation you would take an organ transplant, wouldn't you?
Deb Lewis <d.lewis@...> wrote: "Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants."
***Why is that?***
Because unschoolers make up an extremely small percentage of the population.
What are the statistics on organ transplantation - something like thirty
thousand people per year in the US? What are the odds a significant
number of those would be unschoolers? While it's a serious topic it will
not be a common experience of most unschoolers on this list.
Deb Lewis
*Kristen*
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Deb Lewis <d.lewis@...> wrote: "Most unschoolers will not have organ transplants."
***Why is that?***
Because unschoolers make up an extremely small percentage of the population.
What are the statistics on organ transplantation - something like thirty
thousand people per year in the US? What are the odds a significant
number of those would be unschoolers? While it's a serious topic it will
not be a common experience of most unschoolers on this list.
Deb Lewis
*Kristen*
Kendall MacKenzie
8/30/2003
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11/7/2005
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9/20/2006
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In a message dated 1/8/2007 11:04:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d.lewis@... writes:
Because unschoolers make up an extremely small percentage of the population.
What are the statistics on organ transplantation - something like thirty
thousand people per year in the US? What are the odds a significant
number of those would be unschoolers? While it's a serious topic it will
not be a common experience of most unschoolers on this list.
Deb Lewis
hmmm, I see it another way. I don't know that many people who homeschool yet
I know of several who chose to do so just because their child was
chronically ill or had a severe illness (like cancer) and being enrolled in school was
either troubling for the family or near impossible. Of those people, a few
have tried various methods of homeschooling, including unschooling.
Adriana
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d.lewis@... writes:
Because unschoolers make up an extremely small percentage of the population.
What are the statistics on organ transplantation - something like thirty
thousand people per year in the US? What are the odds a significant
number of those would be unschoolers? While it's a serious topic it will
not be a common experience of most unschoolers on this list.
Deb Lewis
hmmm, I see it another way. I don't know that many people who homeschool yet
I know of several who chose to do so just because their child was
chronically ill or had a severe illness (like cancer) and being enrolled in school was
either troubling for the family or near impossible. Of those people, a few
have tried various methods of homeschooling, including unschooling.
Adriana
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Ren Allen
~~Perhaps it's just my hangup but I know I don't
want to be near anyone whose breath stinks really bad. ~~
I don't either. I just get tired of "the sky is falling" posts that
aren't about openly exploring a topic without all the loaded language
and fears.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
want to be near anyone whose breath stinks really bad. ~~
I don't either. I just get tired of "the sky is falling" posts that
aren't about openly exploring a topic without all the loaded language
and fears.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ren Allen
~~My
son will go a day without brushing and then NEED to brush becuase he
doesnt like the feel of scum on his teeth...Its never evne been an
issue here , but it has just always been something we all do together.~~
Same here.
But out of four children, only one really LOVES the feel of clean
teeth, the two older boys (who have NO cavities of course) will go for
a couple days before noticing and my youngest has a lot of
sensitivities and has never liked the feel of tooth brushing.
We buy him a lot of different toothbrushes and yummy toothpastes to
try and make it more desirable for him because he does have tooth decay.
For most kids, brushing with them and making it a time to connect and
be together is enough.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
son will go a day without brushing and then NEED to brush becuase he
doesnt like the feel of scum on his teeth...Its never evne been an
issue here , but it has just always been something we all do together.~~
Same here.
But out of four children, only one really LOVES the feel of clean
teeth, the two older boys (who have NO cavities of course) will go for
a couple days before noticing and my youngest has a lot of
sensitivities and has never liked the feel of tooth brushing.
We buy him a lot of different toothbrushes and yummy toothpastes to
try and make it more desirable for him because he does have tooth decay.
For most kids, brushing with them and making it a time to connect and
be together is enough.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Deb Lewis
***When I asked "why is that", what I meant was why is that your reasoning?
And I answered your question.
***I would assume that if you child was in a life or death situation you
would take an
organ transplant, wouldn't you?***
This isn't about me. The topic of whether gum disease might make organ
transplantation more risky is not a good topic for a list where most members
will never be facing such an extreme illness, statistically speaking.
Deb Lewis
And I answered your question.
***I would assume that if you child was in a life or death situation you
would take an
organ transplant, wouldn't you?***
This isn't about me. The topic of whether gum disease might make organ
transplantation more risky is not a good topic for a list where most members
will never be facing such an extreme illness, statistically speaking.
Deb Lewis
kristenhendricks55
OOOOOHHHH!!! My fault!!!!
I TOTALLY misunderstood your post.
What I thought you were saying by "most unschoolers wont recieve a
organ transplant", was that most unschoolers would CHOOSE not to
have one.
I thought you were saying that unschooling people tend to not
believe in that.
I was on the wrong track.
I gotcha now :)
--- In [email protected], "Deb Lewis" <d.lewis@...>
wrote:
I TOTALLY misunderstood your post.
What I thought you were saying by "most unschoolers wont recieve a
organ transplant", was that most unschoolers would CHOOSE not to
have one.
I thought you were saying that unschooling people tend to not
believe in that.
I was on the wrong track.
I gotcha now :)
--- In [email protected], "Deb Lewis" <d.lewis@...>
wrote:
>reasoning?
> ***When I asked "why is that", what I meant was why is that your
>situation you
> And I answered your question.
>
> ***I would assume that if you child was in a life or death
> would take anorgan
> organ transplant, wouldn't you?***
>
> This isn't about me. The topic of whether gum disease might make
> transplantation more risky is not a good topic for a list wheremost members
> will never be facing such an extreme illness, statisticallyspeaking.
>
> Deb Lewis
>
Joyce Fetteroll
On Jan 8, 2007, at 6:51 PM, plaidpanties666 wrote:
have dealt with the practical matters. By reading what really happens
rather than what we fear will happen. By asking how others have
handled the fear.
A good question to ask when a child wants to do something that makes
you uncomfortable is "Who is going to die if he does this *one* thing?"
I think part of the problem is that often the responses here seem to
dismiss the fear as though it were nothing to be concerned about. As
an example, I think many of the posts about brushing not being the be
all and end all of cavity prevention come across as though the poster
were saying "Brushing isn't important. If they brush, fine, if they
don't brush, fine too."
But what people are trying to do is help people approach a problem
calmly and rationally without the fear driving them. There are many
solutions to the issues kids have with brushing. (Brushing together,
using just water, different toothpastes, and so on and so on.) But
it's much easier to see new solutions and try ones suggested if
parents do it from a position of knowledge rather than fear.
Some kids *will* be more prone to cavities but that's not a reason to
treat all kids as though that were true. Some kids may never get
cavities regardless of their brushing frequency but that's not a
reason to treat all kids as though that were true.
If we give them *real* information it will help them make better more
informed decisions. Real information is "Brushing will help most
people prevent cavities." If we treat their objections seriously and
with real respect, they will come to understand that we're trying to
help them. And we can better do that when we don't fear that a day or
a week or even a month without brushing means their teeth will rot.
We can help them better if we aren't hovering over them impatiently
waiting for them to show they've made the "right" decision by
brushing their teeth everyday.
Joyce
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> To approach this question from an unschooling standpoint, how can weBy holding up fears to critical examination. By asking how others
> address our concerns about our kids health while still respecting our
> kids autonomy?
have dealt with the practical matters. By reading what really happens
rather than what we fear will happen. By asking how others have
handled the fear.
A good question to ask when a child wants to do something that makes
you uncomfortable is "Who is going to die if he does this *one* thing?"
I think part of the problem is that often the responses here seem to
dismiss the fear as though it were nothing to be concerned about. As
an example, I think many of the posts about brushing not being the be
all and end all of cavity prevention come across as though the poster
were saying "Brushing isn't important. If they brush, fine, if they
don't brush, fine too."
But what people are trying to do is help people approach a problem
calmly and rationally without the fear driving them. There are many
solutions to the issues kids have with brushing. (Brushing together,
using just water, different toothpastes, and so on and so on.) But
it's much easier to see new solutions and try ones suggested if
parents do it from a position of knowledge rather than fear.
Some kids *will* be more prone to cavities but that's not a reason to
treat all kids as though that were true. Some kids may never get
cavities regardless of their brushing frequency but that's not a
reason to treat all kids as though that were true.
If we give them *real* information it will help them make better more
informed decisions. Real information is "Brushing will help most
people prevent cavities." If we treat their objections seriously and
with real respect, they will come to understand that we're trying to
help them. And we can better do that when we don't fear that a day or
a week or even a month without brushing means their teeth will rot.
We can help them better if we aren't hovering over them impatiently
waiting for them to show they've made the "right" decision by
brushing their teeth everyday.
Joyce
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Jan 8, 2007, at 12:51 PM, singdoula@... wrote:
justifications for making kids do what will ease mom's fears.
Your mother in law is obviously biased because she sees an inordinate
number of worst case scenarios because of her profession so it seems
way more common than it is.
My brother in law as an LA cop views teens as potential criminals
because he deals with a disproportionate number of teens who are
criminals.
Neither of them is seeing the overwhelming majority of non-worst case
scenarios.
We can live in fear that a meteor could hit our house. It *could*
happen. But it's highly unlikely and that fear will prevent us from
living a joyfully as possible.
asking people what they would have done or what other options there
were.
The advice isn't meant to solve everyone's problems but to help
people -- who are here asking for that kind of help -- to start
thinking in new ways so that more respectful solutions become more
natural and the norm in their lives to help unschooling flourish.
Joyce
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> it isn't extreme at all to link heart disease and blood problemsIt is extreme to use worst case scenarios as fuel for fears and
> to bad
> teeth.
justifications for making kids do what will ease mom's fears.
Your mother in law is obviously biased because she sees an inordinate
number of worst case scenarios because of her profession so it seems
way more common than it is.
My brother in law as an LA cop views teens as potential criminals
because he deals with a disproportionate number of teens who are
criminals.
Neither of them is seeing the overwhelming majority of non-worst case
scenarios.
We can live in fear that a meteor could hit our house. It *could*
happen. But it's highly unlikely and that fear will prevent us from
living a joyfully as possible.
> in regards to the "rotted out tooth should have been addressedIt's very easy to bat away advice. What works better for the list is
> long before
> it became a problem" comment
asking people what they would have done or what other options there
were.
The advice isn't meant to solve everyone's problems but to help
people -- who are here asking for that kind of help -- to start
thinking in new ways so that more respectful solutions become more
natural and the norm in their lives to help unschooling flourish.
Joyce
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plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], singdoula@... wrote:
but a valuble piece of information about my kids - and one
completely unrelated to hygiene.
also take a rigorous medical history of the entire family to check
for conflating factors?
My experience with two very active kids in my own home and their
playmates is that some children can go a month or more without ever
bathing and no-one outside the family being the wiser. There are
many other issues that come into play wrt things like greasy hair
and skin, including genes, hormonal shifts, and balanced health.
You seem to be appallingly underinformed about hygiene and health,
yet it seems to be an issue of great concern for you. I'd like to
suggest you broaden your research on this topic - your
misconceptions are making you more fearful, and undermining your
ability to critically examine these issues.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
>>There is nothing ONIn my family bad breath is a sign of sinus congestion. Stinky, yes,
> EARTH more offensive to me than stinky breath!!!
>
but a valuble piece of information about my kids - and one
completely unrelated to hygiene.
>Its so sad when you see a beautiful little child with stringyand being a
> greasy hair and crusty dirt all over them. (not dirt from playing
> happy kid, dirt from not having had a bath in 5 days)Is this something you discover by quizzing the parents? Do you then
also take a rigorous medical history of the entire family to check
for conflating factors?
My experience with two very active kids in my own home and their
playmates is that some children can go a month or more without ever
bathing and no-one outside the family being the wiser. There are
many other issues that come into play wrt things like greasy hair
and skin, including genes, hormonal shifts, and balanced health.
You seem to be appallingly underinformed about hygiene and health,
yet it seems to be an issue of great concern for you. I'd like to
suggest you broaden your research on this topic - your
misconceptions are making you more fearful, and undermining your
ability to critically examine these issues.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
kristenhendricks55
"My experience with two very active kids in my own home and their
playmates is that some children can go a month or more without ever
bathing and no-one outside the family being the wiser. There are
many other issues that come into play wrt things like greasy hair
and skin, including genes, hormonal shifts, and balanced health."
I;m assuming this means your children have gone over month without a
bath. Do you worry about the germs and dirt they carry? Judt
curious :)
--- In [email protected], "plaidpanties666"
<plaidpanties666@...> wrote:
playmates is that some children can go a month or more without ever
bathing and no-one outside the family being the wiser. There are
many other issues that come into play wrt things like greasy hair
and skin, including genes, hormonal shifts, and balanced health."
I;m assuming this means your children have gone over month without a
bath. Do you worry about the germs and dirt they carry? Judt
curious :)
--- In [email protected], "plaidpanties666"
<plaidpanties666@...> wrote:
>yes,
> --- In [email protected], singdoula@ wrote:
> >>There is nothing ON
> > EARTH more offensive to me than stinky breath!!!
> >
>
> In my family bad breath is a sign of sinus congestion. Stinky,
> but a valuble piece of information about my kids - and oneplaying
> completely unrelated to hygiene.
>
> >Its so sad when you see a beautiful little child with stringy
> > greasy hair and crusty dirt all over them. (not dirt from
> and being athen
> > happy kid, dirt from not having had a bath in 5 days)
>
> Is this something you discover by quizzing the parents? Do you
> also take a rigorous medical history of the entire family to checkever
> for conflating factors?
>
> My experience with two very active kids in my own home and their
> playmates is that some children can go a month or more without
> bathing and no-one outside the family being the wiser. There are
> many other issues that come into play wrt things like greasy hair
> and skin, including genes, hormonal shifts, and balanced health.
>
> You seem to be appallingly underinformed about hygiene and health,
> yet it seems to be an issue of great concern for you. I'd like to
> suggest you broaden your research on this topic - your
> misconceptions are making you more fearful, and undermining your
> ability to critically examine these issues.
>
> ---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
>
Ariannah Armstrong
plaidpanties666 wrote:
without a bath or a shower, and nobody is the wiser. I shower 3-4 times
a week. I remember growing up in a rural community where our family was
on well water and we had full baths or showers once per week. It cuts
down on water consumption bills, too :) But no, we don't deny them
baths either haha. They enjoy their baths, but sometimes they or I are
just not in the mood to get wet :)
Ariannah in Nova Scotia
--
"May we all have a vision now and then
Of a world where every neighbour is a friend"
Abba "Happy New Year" 1980
Personal Blog: http://ec.lecti.ca
> My experience with two very active kids in my own home and theirOur experience as well says this is true. My kids sometimes go for days
> playmates is that some children can go a month or more without ever
> bathing and no-one outside the family being the wiser. There are
> many other issues that come into play wrt things like greasy hair
> and skin, including genes, hormonal shifts, and balanced health.
without a bath or a shower, and nobody is the wiser. I shower 3-4 times
a week. I remember growing up in a rural community where our family was
on well water and we had full baths or showers once per week. It cuts
down on water consumption bills, too :) But no, we don't deny them
baths either haha. They enjoy their baths, but sometimes they or I are
just not in the mood to get wet :)
Ariannah in Nova Scotia
--
"May we all have a vision now and then
Of a world where every neighbour is a friend"
Abba "Happy New Year" 1980
Personal Blog: http://ec.lecti.ca
[email protected]
dirt from not having had a bath in 5 days)
********
Not bathing doesn't always have the effects you are stating. My youndest son, 7 1/2 takes a bath maybe once a week. He doesn't smell, there's no crusties. He also has not washed his hair in months, after almost a year without washing. He has shiny untangled sweet smelling brown hair with golden highlights. Nothing greasy. An adult woman I know decided to eliminate hair prodects from her life and after an initial adjustment period (I think it was about 3 weeks?), her hair reverted to it's natural state, clean, shiny and healthy.
Sometimes bad breath is caused by other problems, rather than brushing issues. Certain diseases can be indicated by bad breath.
Elissa Jill
OTN:
silk/wool blend tie front mini sweater
http://mystikmusings.blogspot.com/
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********
Not bathing doesn't always have the effects you are stating. My youndest son, 7 1/2 takes a bath maybe once a week. He doesn't smell, there's no crusties. He also has not washed his hair in months, after almost a year without washing. He has shiny untangled sweet smelling brown hair with golden highlights. Nothing greasy. An adult woman I know decided to eliminate hair prodects from her life and after an initial adjustment period (I think it was about 3 weeks?), her hair reverted to it's natural state, clean, shiny and healthy.
Sometimes bad breath is caused by other problems, rather than brushing issues. Certain diseases can be indicated by bad breath.
Elissa Jill
OTN:
silk/wool blend tie front mini sweater
http://mystikmusings.blogspot.com/
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Ren Allen
~~My kids sometimes go for days
without a bath or a shower, and nobody is the wiser. ~~
Same here. My five year old varies between not bathing for days on
end, then going into a stage where he wants to shower twice a day.
Right now he's getting clean by playing in the snow. I figure any
water or snow type play gets some cleaning done.:) Until kids hit the
teen years, there really isn't any smell associated with not bathing.
My teens might get a reminder if their B.O. is getting nasty. "Hey,
have you showered in a while?" reminds them that they DO indeed have a
scent. It's just not that big of a deal, and we're pretty clean people
over all.
And now, I'm going to make a cuppa tea and watch two of my kids enjoy
the first real snow of the season...YIPPEEE! (yes, I'm too lazy to
bundle up and go outside this morning).
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
without a bath or a shower, and nobody is the wiser. ~~
Same here. My five year old varies between not bathing for days on
end, then going into a stage where he wants to shower twice a day.
Right now he's getting clean by playing in the snow. I figure any
water or snow type play gets some cleaning done.:) Until kids hit the
teen years, there really isn't any smell associated with not bathing.
My teens might get a reminder if their B.O. is getting nasty. "Hey,
have you showered in a while?" reminds them that they DO indeed have a
scent. It's just not that big of a deal, and we're pretty clean people
over all.
And now, I'm going to make a cuppa tea and watch two of my kids enjoy
the first real snow of the season...YIPPEEE! (yes, I'm too lazy to
bundle up and go outside this morning).
Ren
learninginfreedom.com