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Except for the "eating candy bars" bit, it's pretty good. A little
"academic'-oriented--- but I think that's what people need to bellieve.
~Kelly
You have to trust that the child will learn'
'Unschooling' movement leaves education choices up to kids
December 24, 2006
BY ROSALIND ROSSI Education Reporter
Eighteen-year-old Abby Stewart got word this month that she won early
admission to elite Princeton University, even though she has never set
foot in a high school classroom.
She also wrapped up a huge challenge -- dancing the Snow Queen role in
"The Nutcracker Suite" at the Athenaeum Theatre -- largely because she
has never set foot in a high school classroom.
Five years ago, frustrated with the pace and depth of a Chicago Public
School gifted program, Abby withdrew from eighth grade and entered
uncharted territory -- a branch of home schooling often called
"unschooling."
Under this ultimate form of "child-directed" learning, Abby used no set
curriculum. She called her own hours, worked at her own pace and, most
important, followed her own interests -- without taking tests or
receiving grades. Some days, she'd wake up, grab a bowl of cereal and
go back to bed with a book.
Since then, she has amassed a six-page reading list ranging from
Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species to Holt, Rinehart and Winston's
Calculus to 16 Shakespearean plays.
"I do exactly what feels right to me," says Abby. "If I want to just
read literature for three weeks or three months, that's perfectly fine
with my family."
The flexibility of unschooling made it easier for Abby to take ballet
classes six days a week, resulting in the shopping bag full of pointe
shoes in the corner of her Hyde Park bedroom and her recent role in
Ballet Chicago's Studio Company production of "The Nutcracker Suite."
Abby also volunteers three days a week at the Field Museum, where she
reduces animal carcasses to bones. Her first day at work, she was given
a pair of gloves and a scalpel and directed to the remains of a
Siberian tiger.
"Compared to a kid in high school with worms and frogs, it's pretty
heady stuff," said her dad, Dana Stewart, a sleep researcher at the
University of Chicago Hospitals.
'Delight-driven learning'
By some counts, Abby is part of a growing movement, at least in the
Chicago area.
Federal officials estimate that about 1.1 million students nationwide
were home-schooled in 2003, up a hefty 30 percent from four years
earlier.
Although numbers on unschooling are more difficult to come by, since
1999, at least five unschooling online support groups have sprung up in
Illinois, four of them concentrated in the six-county Chicago area,
said Melissa Bradford, founder of Many Rivers Unschooling, serving
mostly DuPage and Will counties.
"It's definitely growing. Look at our group," said Winifred Haun, a
choreographer and dancer who co-founded Northside Unschoolers of
Chicago in 2001 with some half-dozen families. Last year, membership
hit 100.
Unschooling is rooted in the ideas of education reformer John Holt, who
said children are innately curious and will learn what they need to
know when they need to know it.
That doesn't mean unschoolers won't ever take conventional classes.
Art enthusiasts may take art classes. Teens who want to go to college
may take community college classes first.
Unschoolers figure out what they want to do in life and then learn what
they need to get there. Advocates say they absorb material better by
learning it when they need it.
One unschooling Web site calls the approach "delight-driven learning."
Author Pat Farenga, a student of Holt's, calls it "the natural way to
learn."
"This is the way we learn before going to school and the way we learn
when we leave school and enter the world of work," Farenga writes in
Teach Your Own: The John Holt Book of Unschooling.
One Northside Unschoolers mom was seeking an alternative to the test
emphasis and heavy homework in her public school. Other unschooling
parents may want to avoid labels schools put on especially active kids
or late readers.
"The hardest thing for most people ... is that you have to trust that
the child will learn," said Mary Griffith, author of The Unschooling
Handbook: How to Use the Whole World As Your Child's Classroom.
"For those of us who had late readers, it was really hard. A lot of
unschooled kids don't learn to read when they are 6. Sometimes waiting
until they are 7, 8 or 9 is quite common," said Griffith.
"But once they learn to read, they read anything and everything."
'Noodling around'
The tools of unschooling in the early years are scattered across a
third-floor playroom of Winifred Haun's turn-of-the-century Oak Park
home.
Dice and board games help daughters Athena, 10; Iris, 5, and Selene, 2,
learn math -- and social skills. Pads of paper, pencils and markers are
there for writing and drawing. Books are omnipresent.
This "unschooling" morning, Iris and Athena have completed math
problems they asked their dad, Stephen Parke, a Harvard grad and
physicist at Argonne National Laboratory, to create.
"Iris was interested in 1 plus 1 is 2," Haun says, so Parke's worksheet
expands the idea all the way up to 50 plus 50. Athena's problems amount
to early algebra.
Selene plays on a futon as Iris works with her mom on sewing and Athena
announces "I need to practice my writing."
Athena has seen what she's missing -- and doesn't miss it.
"I've been to school for a day. It was fun, but I like it here better.
In school, they just sat there while the teacher talked," Athena says.
Athena knows some question whether home-schoolers will develop the
proper social skills away from a classroom full of kids their age.
"I say home-schoolers do get social skills," Athena says. "I go to
choir where there's one other kid who's home schooled. And I go to a
home-schooling group where there are kids of all ages. And I have Girl
Scouts and ballet."
Haun said some days her kids "just noodle around, but they are
investing in days when they produce more."
Besides, she said, "You can teach your kid in 90 minutes a day what it
takes the school six hours. ... The other 4½ hours are, 'Stand up. Sit
up. Let's go to the bathroom. Let's take attendance. ...'
"If my daughter needs to know ... how to find her friend's name in the
phone book, I can take five minutes and explain to her about
alphabetizing," Haun said. "I don't have to test her. I know when she
can look up the name on her own."
In their teenage years, said Grace Llewellyn, author of The Teenage
Liberation Handbook, unschooling kids can study biology with a
textbook, in a community college or with software. Or they can befriend
a doctor and brainstorm on books to read or projects to do. Or they can
volunteer to work in a veterinarian's office.
"The sky is the limit," Llewellyn said.
The college question
Abby's dad and mom, a hospice social worker, gave their three children
a taste of school (all won admission to gifted programs), and
eventually let them decide if they wanted to stay there. All three
wound up pretty much unschoolers, with the oldest graduating from
Dartmouth in June.
Abby wanted to go to college, too, and plunged into subjects she'd need
to get there.
To prepare for the SAT college admission tests, she bought some test
prep books and took some old subject matter tests. She posted knockout
scores: an overall SAT of 2,350 out of 2,400.
To pad out her track record, she also took the SAT world history,
literature and U.S. history tests, scoring 800, 790 and 780,
respectively, on an 800-point scale.
Not all unschoolers or home-schoolers have Abby's scores, but on
another popular college admission test, the ACT, test-takers who
identified themselves as home-schoolers have scored a notch above the
national average for the last decade. This year, they averaged 22.4 on
a 36-point scale compared with a national average of 21.2.
Before Abby got the news last week that she had won early admission to
Princeton, she had researched applying to seven other colleges and
found them "pretty forgiving" about her lack of a traditional
grade-point average.
At Harvard University, admissions director Marlyn McGrath Lewis said,
unschoolers without transcripts can submit college admission scores,
and then "tell us what they have done in the way of academic
preparation for college, and we'll take it from there."
Some may wonder if unschoolers can adjust to the structure of college
life. After the regimen of ballet classes, Abby doesn't expect problems.
Unschooler Sam Dickey, 23, an Oak Park native now attending Beloit
College after four years at a community college, said he has no
difficulty making it to classes. He found he performs well on deadline
and is a "very good writer" despite never having written a research
paper before college.
But just like traditional schoolers, not all unschoolers want college.
Jan Hunt, an unschooling counselor who operates the Natural Child
Project Web site, said her unschooled son didn't go to college. He
started a computer consulting company instead.
"He continually beats us at Trivial Pursuit. He's an incredible
editor," said Hunt. "He can do any math problem in his head. I have the
proof in the pudding right here."
Not for everyone
Yet even advocates caution that unschooling is not for everyone.
"It's just kind of a scary way of doing things. Not many people are
willing to go out on that limb," said Dorothy Werner, founder of Home
Oriented Unique Schooling Experience, an Illinois home-schooling
support group.
"You have to trust that children want to learn. You can't believe that
children must be forced to learn," Werner said.
"Parents who need to be in control ... would have a hard time. If you
want your child to be learning the same factoids as the child next
door, unschooling is not for you."
Home-schooling researcher Michael Apple, an education professor at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison, is "wary of the hype." He wonders what
unschoolers are really learning about people of other races, religions
and cultures.
"There is no public accountability," Apple said.
Counters unschooling author Farenga: "Who is going to be the commissar
of correct thought?"
William Schubert, professor of curriculum studies at the University of
Illinois at Chicago, home-schooled his daughter using a few unschooling
ideas.
He says unschooling can be positive, but requires time, resources and
"dialogue with ... well-educated people."
"We don't know that children are innately curious. The question is
open," Schubert said. Some unschoolers "may not get any further than
eating candy bars."
Unschooling may be easier for parents with the time and resources,
Farenga agrees, but "everyone can find that within their own little
sphere."
"I'm not trying to make this sound like it's easy," Farenga said, "but
it's not easy if your child is failing or hurting in school, either."
Abby and others insist every child has a passion waiting to be ignited.
"Every person has something they absolutely adore and would like to do
for the rest of their life," Abby said.
"If you can pinpoint that, and have your kids run with it, you'd be
amazed how excited your kids can be about learning."
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"academic'-oriented--- but I think that's what people need to bellieve.
~Kelly
You have to trust that the child will learn'
'Unschooling' movement leaves education choices up to kids
December 24, 2006
BY ROSALIND ROSSI Education Reporter
Eighteen-year-old Abby Stewart got word this month that she won early
admission to elite Princeton University, even though she has never set
foot in a high school classroom.
She also wrapped up a huge challenge -- dancing the Snow Queen role in
"The Nutcracker Suite" at the Athenaeum Theatre -- largely because she
has never set foot in a high school classroom.
Five years ago, frustrated with the pace and depth of a Chicago Public
School gifted program, Abby withdrew from eighth grade and entered
uncharted territory -- a branch of home schooling often called
"unschooling."
Under this ultimate form of "child-directed" learning, Abby used no set
curriculum. She called her own hours, worked at her own pace and, most
important, followed her own interests -- without taking tests or
receiving grades. Some days, she'd wake up, grab a bowl of cereal and
go back to bed with a book.
Since then, she has amassed a six-page reading list ranging from
Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species to Holt, Rinehart and Winston's
Calculus to 16 Shakespearean plays.
"I do exactly what feels right to me," says Abby. "If I want to just
read literature for three weeks or three months, that's perfectly fine
with my family."
The flexibility of unschooling made it easier for Abby to take ballet
classes six days a week, resulting in the shopping bag full of pointe
shoes in the corner of her Hyde Park bedroom and her recent role in
Ballet Chicago's Studio Company production of "The Nutcracker Suite."
Abby also volunteers three days a week at the Field Museum, where she
reduces animal carcasses to bones. Her first day at work, she was given
a pair of gloves and a scalpel and directed to the remains of a
Siberian tiger.
"Compared to a kid in high school with worms and frogs, it's pretty
heady stuff," said her dad, Dana Stewart, a sleep researcher at the
University of Chicago Hospitals.
'Delight-driven learning'
By some counts, Abby is part of a growing movement, at least in the
Chicago area.
Federal officials estimate that about 1.1 million students nationwide
were home-schooled in 2003, up a hefty 30 percent from four years
earlier.
Although numbers on unschooling are more difficult to come by, since
1999, at least five unschooling online support groups have sprung up in
Illinois, four of them concentrated in the six-county Chicago area,
said Melissa Bradford, founder of Many Rivers Unschooling, serving
mostly DuPage and Will counties.
"It's definitely growing. Look at our group," said Winifred Haun, a
choreographer and dancer who co-founded Northside Unschoolers of
Chicago in 2001 with some half-dozen families. Last year, membership
hit 100.
Unschooling is rooted in the ideas of education reformer John Holt, who
said children are innately curious and will learn what they need to
know when they need to know it.
That doesn't mean unschoolers won't ever take conventional classes.
Art enthusiasts may take art classes. Teens who want to go to college
may take community college classes first.
Unschoolers figure out what they want to do in life and then learn what
they need to get there. Advocates say they absorb material better by
learning it when they need it.
One unschooling Web site calls the approach "delight-driven learning."
Author Pat Farenga, a student of Holt's, calls it "the natural way to
learn."
"This is the way we learn before going to school and the way we learn
when we leave school and enter the world of work," Farenga writes in
Teach Your Own: The John Holt Book of Unschooling.
One Northside Unschoolers mom was seeking an alternative to the test
emphasis and heavy homework in her public school. Other unschooling
parents may want to avoid labels schools put on especially active kids
or late readers.
"The hardest thing for most people ... is that you have to trust that
the child will learn," said Mary Griffith, author of The Unschooling
Handbook: How to Use the Whole World As Your Child's Classroom.
"For those of us who had late readers, it was really hard. A lot of
unschooled kids don't learn to read when they are 6. Sometimes waiting
until they are 7, 8 or 9 is quite common," said Griffith.
"But once they learn to read, they read anything and everything."
'Noodling around'
The tools of unschooling in the early years are scattered across a
third-floor playroom of Winifred Haun's turn-of-the-century Oak Park
home.
Dice and board games help daughters Athena, 10; Iris, 5, and Selene, 2,
learn math -- and social skills. Pads of paper, pencils and markers are
there for writing and drawing. Books are omnipresent.
This "unschooling" morning, Iris and Athena have completed math
problems they asked their dad, Stephen Parke, a Harvard grad and
physicist at Argonne National Laboratory, to create.
"Iris was interested in 1 plus 1 is 2," Haun says, so Parke's worksheet
expands the idea all the way up to 50 plus 50. Athena's problems amount
to early algebra.
Selene plays on a futon as Iris works with her mom on sewing and Athena
announces "I need to practice my writing."
Athena has seen what she's missing -- and doesn't miss it.
"I've been to school for a day. It was fun, but I like it here better.
In school, they just sat there while the teacher talked," Athena says.
Athena knows some question whether home-schoolers will develop the
proper social skills away from a classroom full of kids their age.
"I say home-schoolers do get social skills," Athena says. "I go to
choir where there's one other kid who's home schooled. And I go to a
home-schooling group where there are kids of all ages. And I have Girl
Scouts and ballet."
Haun said some days her kids "just noodle around, but they are
investing in days when they produce more."
Besides, she said, "You can teach your kid in 90 minutes a day what it
takes the school six hours. ... The other 4½ hours are, 'Stand up. Sit
up. Let's go to the bathroom. Let's take attendance. ...'
"If my daughter needs to know ... how to find her friend's name in the
phone book, I can take five minutes and explain to her about
alphabetizing," Haun said. "I don't have to test her. I know when she
can look up the name on her own."
In their teenage years, said Grace Llewellyn, author of The Teenage
Liberation Handbook, unschooling kids can study biology with a
textbook, in a community college or with software. Or they can befriend
a doctor and brainstorm on books to read or projects to do. Or they can
volunteer to work in a veterinarian's office.
"The sky is the limit," Llewellyn said.
The college question
Abby's dad and mom, a hospice social worker, gave their three children
a taste of school (all won admission to gifted programs), and
eventually let them decide if they wanted to stay there. All three
wound up pretty much unschoolers, with the oldest graduating from
Dartmouth in June.
Abby wanted to go to college, too, and plunged into subjects she'd need
to get there.
To prepare for the SAT college admission tests, she bought some test
prep books and took some old subject matter tests. She posted knockout
scores: an overall SAT of 2,350 out of 2,400.
To pad out her track record, she also took the SAT world history,
literature and U.S. history tests, scoring 800, 790 and 780,
respectively, on an 800-point scale.
Not all unschoolers or home-schoolers have Abby's scores, but on
another popular college admission test, the ACT, test-takers who
identified themselves as home-schoolers have scored a notch above the
national average for the last decade. This year, they averaged 22.4 on
a 36-point scale compared with a national average of 21.2.
Before Abby got the news last week that she had won early admission to
Princeton, she had researched applying to seven other colleges and
found them "pretty forgiving" about her lack of a traditional
grade-point average.
At Harvard University, admissions director Marlyn McGrath Lewis said,
unschoolers without transcripts can submit college admission scores,
and then "tell us what they have done in the way of academic
preparation for college, and we'll take it from there."
Some may wonder if unschoolers can adjust to the structure of college
life. After the regimen of ballet classes, Abby doesn't expect problems.
Unschooler Sam Dickey, 23, an Oak Park native now attending Beloit
College after four years at a community college, said he has no
difficulty making it to classes. He found he performs well on deadline
and is a "very good writer" despite never having written a research
paper before college.
But just like traditional schoolers, not all unschoolers want college.
Jan Hunt, an unschooling counselor who operates the Natural Child
Project Web site, said her unschooled son didn't go to college. He
started a computer consulting company instead.
"He continually beats us at Trivial Pursuit. He's an incredible
editor," said Hunt. "He can do any math problem in his head. I have the
proof in the pudding right here."
Not for everyone
Yet even advocates caution that unschooling is not for everyone.
"It's just kind of a scary way of doing things. Not many people are
willing to go out on that limb," said Dorothy Werner, founder of Home
Oriented Unique Schooling Experience, an Illinois home-schooling
support group.
"You have to trust that children want to learn. You can't believe that
children must be forced to learn," Werner said.
"Parents who need to be in control ... would have a hard time. If you
want your child to be learning the same factoids as the child next
door, unschooling is not for you."
Home-schooling researcher Michael Apple, an education professor at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison, is "wary of the hype." He wonders what
unschoolers are really learning about people of other races, religions
and cultures.
"There is no public accountability," Apple said.
Counters unschooling author Farenga: "Who is going to be the commissar
of correct thought?"
William Schubert, professor of curriculum studies at the University of
Illinois at Chicago, home-schooled his daughter using a few unschooling
ideas.
He says unschooling can be positive, but requires time, resources and
"dialogue with ... well-educated people."
"We don't know that children are innately curious. The question is
open," Schubert said. Some unschoolers "may not get any further than
eating candy bars."
Unschooling may be easier for parents with the time and resources,
Farenga agrees, but "everyone can find that within their own little
sphere."
"I'm not trying to make this sound like it's easy," Farenga said, "but
it's not easy if your child is failing or hurting in school, either."
Abby and others insist every child has a passion waiting to be ignited.
"Every person has something they absolutely adore and would like to do
for the rest of their life," Abby said.
"If you can pinpoint that, and have your kids run with it, you'd be
amazed how excited your kids can be about learning."
rrossi@...
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A Voss Dolce
Maybe I should repost this comment as How not to be worried if your 13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....
This article points out children who are self motivated - the eighth grader reading Darwin and Shakespeare, volunteering, taking ballet...another girl announcing that 'I need to practice writing'.. my son would never do that. I see many examples of homeschooled children who are gifted, the article goes on to mention SAT scores which are through the roof.
These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooled student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
Amy
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This article points out children who are self motivated - the eighth grader reading Darwin and Shakespeare, volunteering, taking ballet...another girl announcing that 'I need to practice writing'.. my son would never do that. I see many examples of homeschooled children who are gifted, the article goes on to mention SAT scores which are through the roof.
These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooled student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
Amy
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Kelly Weyd
I have to agree it is not fair. Seems like all the homeschool articles I see are about kids that went on to Ivy Leaugue Colleges. Well what about the Homeschooled kid that becomes a Grocery Store Clerk? Is that kid a failure? I don't think so. But society seems to want to see some kind of proof that homeschooling produces some kind of super smart college bound kid. Well homeschooled and unschooled kids are just like the rest of the population......some are gonna go to College and some are not. I really don't care if my girls go to college or not. I just want them to find what is right for their lives, and what makes them happy.
Kelly
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Maybe I should repost this comment as How not to be worried if your 13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....
This article points out children who are self motivated - the eighth grader reading Darwin and Shakespeare, volunteering, taking ballet...another girl announcing that 'I need to practice writing'.. my son would never do that. I see many examples of homeschooled children who are gifted, the article goes on to mention SAT scores which are through the roof.
These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooled student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
Amy
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A Voss Dolce <avd@...> wrote:
Maybe I should repost this comment as How not to be worried if your 13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....
This article points out children who are self motivated - the eighth grader reading Darwin and Shakespeare, volunteering, taking ballet...another girl announcing that 'I need to practice writing'.. my son would never do that. I see many examples of homeschooled children who are gifted, the article goes on to mention SAT scores which are through the roof.
These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooled student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
Amy
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Dec 27, 2006, at 11:21 PM, Kelly Weyd wrote:
important about unschooling, if there were an article that described
how a new school was turning out kids headed for minimum wage jobs,
would that pique anyone's interest in the school?
If the point of the article is what kind of job the kids get after
the education method, grocery store clerk isn't going to convince
anyone.
If the point of the article is about people going after something
other than financial security, then focusing on grocery store clerk
won't convince anyone either ;-) It needs to be about other values,
like happiness. (But I would think that there would still need to be
some suggestion that the world of opportunities is still open for the
person, that they're *choosing* a lower paying job because they value
happiness more.)
But parents want to give their kids financial security for the future
and the college route seems to offer that. (Most people are convinced
that school will work for all kids as long as the kids apply
themselves. It takes a lot of failure for most parents to start
thinking in terms of the school failing their child.) To get most
parents to even look at other educational methods the worry that
their kids will be able to get well paying jobs needs to be soothed.
Joyce
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> Well what about the Homeschooled kid that becomes a Grocery StoreWhile I agree that being happy in what they do is what's most
> Clerk? Is that kid a failure? I don't think so. But society
> seems to want to see some kind of proof that homeschooling produces
> some kind of super smart college bound kid.
important about unschooling, if there were an article that described
how a new school was turning out kids headed for minimum wage jobs,
would that pique anyone's interest in the school?
If the point of the article is what kind of job the kids get after
the education method, grocery store clerk isn't going to convince
anyone.
If the point of the article is about people going after something
other than financial security, then focusing on grocery store clerk
won't convince anyone either ;-) It needs to be about other values,
like happiness. (But I would think that there would still need to be
some suggestion that the world of opportunities is still open for the
person, that they're *choosing* a lower paying job because they value
happiness more.)
But parents want to give their kids financial security for the future
and the college route seems to offer that. (Most people are convinced
that school will work for all kids as long as the kids apply
themselves. It takes a lot of failure for most parents to start
thinking in terms of the school failing their child.) To get most
parents to even look at other educational methods the worry that
their kids will be able to get well paying jobs needs to be soothed.
Joyce
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Joanne
I think you bring up a good point Amy. One that I would imagine
other parents feel also. To many of these unschooling articles focus
on the academic side and not the joyful, happy families.
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (8), Shawna (11) & Cimion (14)
Adopted into our hearts October 2003
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--- In [email protected], "A Voss Dolce" <avd@...>
wrote:
ballet...another girl announcing that 'I need to practice
writing'.. my son would never do that. I see many examples of
homeschooled children who are gifted, the article goes on to mention
SAT scores which are through the roof.
constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to
succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
other parents feel also. To many of these unschooling articles focus
on the academic side and not the joyful, happy families.
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (8), Shawna (11) & Cimion (14)
Adopted into our hearts October 2003
************************************
Unschooling Voices ~ Add Your Voice
www.foreverparents.com/UnschoolingVoices.html
--- In [email protected], "A Voss Dolce" <avd@...>
wrote:
>your 13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....
> Maybe I should repost this comment as How not to be worried if
>eighth grader reading Darwin and Shakespeare, volunteering, taking
> This article points out children who are self motivated - the
ballet...another girl announcing that 'I need to practice
writing'.. my son would never do that. I see many examples of
homeschooled children who are gifted, the article goes on to mention
SAT scores which are through the roof.
>student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to
> These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooled
constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to
succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
>
> Amy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Ariannah Armstrong
A Voss Dolce wrote:
answer the argument of "but can a homeschooled/unschooled child
'succeed' in the world like a 'well educated one'?"), I too, agree with
that.
My oldest daughter (16), who has learning differences, is NOT going to
"enter college with honors" at a young age. She's needing the extra
time to absorb her own identity and what it is she wants. I've also not
subscribed to the idea that just because children reach a certain age
therefore they must "move out", to be successful. When I made the
choice to have children, it was the choice to support and facilitate
them for as long as they required my assistance. For my oldest, it's
going to be a while. And the cool thing about unschooling, is my
daughter does not have to offer an apology in the form of a label (like
in school). No deadlines there.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia
Ariannah Armstrong
http://ec.lecti.ca/
"She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands."
Proverbs 31:13
> These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooledWhile I can understand "why" they focus on that (the media attempting to
> student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to
> constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to
> succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
answer the argument of "but can a homeschooled/unschooled child
'succeed' in the world like a 'well educated one'?"), I too, agree with
that.
My oldest daughter (16), who has learning differences, is NOT going to
"enter college with honors" at a young age. She's needing the extra
time to absorb her own identity and what it is she wants. I've also not
subscribed to the idea that just because children reach a certain age
therefore they must "move out", to be successful. When I made the
choice to have children, it was the choice to support and facilitate
them for as long as they required my assistance. For my oldest, it's
going to be a while. And the cool thing about unschooling, is my
daughter does not have to offer an apology in the form of a label (like
in school). No deadlines there.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia
>--
> Amy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Ariannah Armstrong
http://ec.lecti.ca/
"She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands."
Proverbs 31:13
Manisha Kher
--- Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@...> wrote:
But
success of school in terms of what percentage of
students go to college, what are their SAT scores etc.
So naturally the same measure is used for
homeschooling and unschooling.
My family is concerned that we're "experimenting" on
our kids. I haven't even mentioned unschooling to
them, just homeschooling. I have to reassure them that
homeschooled kids to make it college. So I do think
this kind of article has a place in general media.
Manisha
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> society seems to want to see some kind of proof thatI hear you, I really do. But people do measure the
> homeschooling produces some kind of super smart
> college bound kid. Well homeschooled and unschooled
> kids are just like the rest of the
> population......some are gonna go to College and
> some are not.
success of school in terms of what percentage of
students go to college, what are their SAT scores etc.
So naturally the same measure is used for
homeschooling and unschooling.
My family is concerned that we're "experimenting" on
our kids. I haven't even mentioned unschooling to
them, just homeschooling. I have to reassure them that
homeschooled kids to make it college. So I do think
this kind of article has a place in general media.
Manisha
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***These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooled student
are
just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to constantly question
themselves
and it takes a strong person not to succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not
there
yet.***
How is it not fair when it's the life those kids are living? The people
who agree to articles are not going to be the people who are worried about
kids playing video games all day, or the people who's kids would rather
watch cartoon network. The people who agree to be interviewed are people
who think their family can be a positive example for unschooling.
There are kids who go to school all day who play video games or watch
cartoon network when they get home. There are kids who go to school all
day and go to karate or ballet or theater or voice or music or riding
lessons after school.
If an article makes you question yourself and wonder if you're doing enough
for your kids, GOOD! You should be wondering.
If you think your kid should somehow measure up to some standard other than
his own then you need to think about why you're interested in or committed
to unschooling.
If an article came out about unschoolers who play WOW for eight hours a day
and then jump on the trampoline and then eat French fries and burgers before
going another round at WOW, the criticism of hostile experts would make you
shiver and wonder when you'd be turned in to family services by the neighbor
who saw your kids in that article. Would that be fair?
The real value of these lists is that we can get samplings of the lives of
lots of different folks and see that all kinds of people have all kinds of
ways of living and learning.
If there is a problem it's not that the article focused on a really cool
kid. The problem is that you (the generic you, not *you* specifically)
don't see what your own kid is doing as cool and valuable.
Deb Lewis
are
just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to constantly question
themselves
and it takes a strong person not to succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not
there
yet.***
How is it not fair when it's the life those kids are living? The people
who agree to articles are not going to be the people who are worried about
kids playing video games all day, or the people who's kids would rather
watch cartoon network. The people who agree to be interviewed are people
who think their family can be a positive example for unschooling.
There are kids who go to school all day who play video games or watch
cartoon network when they get home. There are kids who go to school all
day and go to karate or ballet or theater or voice or music or riding
lessons after school.
If an article makes you question yourself and wonder if you're doing enough
for your kids, GOOD! You should be wondering.
If you think your kid should somehow measure up to some standard other than
his own then you need to think about why you're interested in or committed
to unschooling.
If an article came out about unschoolers who play WOW for eight hours a day
and then jump on the trampoline and then eat French fries and burgers before
going another round at WOW, the criticism of hostile experts would make you
shiver and wonder when you'd be turned in to family services by the neighbor
who saw your kids in that article. Would that be fair?
The real value of these lists is that we can get samplings of the lives of
lots of different folks and see that all kinds of people have all kinds of
ways of living and learning.
If there is a problem it's not that the article focused on a really cool
kid. The problem is that you (the generic you, not *you* specifically)
don't see what your own kid is doing as cool and valuable.
Deb Lewis
Suzanne Graves
Arianna,
Where in NS are you? My husband grew up in the Bridgewater-Lunenburg area
and his family is all still there.
Blessings, Suzanne
Married to the "Love of my life"; blessed with nine wonderful children.
"Blessings come in a number of ways. The Lord doesn't give you what you want
- the Lord gives you what you need". ~ Eric Davis
For info on Discovery Toys email <mailto:psalm63@...>
psalm63@....
For Website Design/Hosting and Promotional/Printed Products contact
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ariannah Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re:article from Chicago Suntimes
A Voss Dolce wrote:
answer the argument of "but can a homeschooled/unschooled child
'succeed' in the world like a 'well educated one'?"), I too, agree with
that.
My oldest daughter (16), who has learning differences, is NOT going to
"enter college with honors" at a young age. She's needing the extra
time to absorb her own identity and what it is she wants. I've also not
subscribed to the idea that just because children reach a certain age
therefore they must "move out", to be successful. When I made the
choice to have children, it was the choice to support and facilitate
them for as long as they required my assistance. For my oldest, it's
going to be a while. And the cool thing about unschooling, is my
daughter does not have to offer an apology in the form of a label (like
in school). No deadlines there.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia
Ariannah Armstrong
http://ec.lecti <http://ec.lecti.ca/> ca/
"She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands."
Proverbs 31:13
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Where in NS are you? My husband grew up in the Bridgewater-Lunenburg area
and his family is all still there.
Blessings, Suzanne
Married to the "Love of my life"; blessed with nine wonderful children.
"Blessings come in a number of ways. The Lord doesn't give you what you want
- the Lord gives you what you need". ~ Eric Davis
For info on Discovery Toys email <mailto:psalm63@...>
psalm63@....
For Website Design/Hosting and Promotional/Printed Products contact
<http://www.plscorporate.com> www.plscorporate.com.
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ariannah Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re:article from Chicago Suntimes
A Voss Dolce wrote:
> These types of articles, which focus on an idealized homeschooledWhile I can understand "why" they focus on that (the media attempting to
> student are just not fair. It is far too easy for parents to
> constantly question themselves and it takes a strong person not to
> succomb to comparisons...I am sooo not there yet.
answer the argument of "but can a homeschooled/unschooled child
'succeed' in the world like a 'well educated one'?"), I too, agree with
that.
My oldest daughter (16), who has learning differences, is NOT going to
"enter college with honors" at a young age. She's needing the extra
time to absorb her own identity and what it is she wants. I've also not
subscribed to the idea that just because children reach a certain age
therefore they must "move out", to be successful. When I made the
choice to have children, it was the choice to support and facilitate
them for as long as they required my assistance. For my oldest, it's
going to be a while. And the cool thing about unschooling, is my
daughter does not have to offer an apology in the form of a label (like
in school). No deadlines there.
Ariannah in Nova Scotia
>--
> Amy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Ariannah Armstrong
http://ec.lecti <http://ec.lecti.ca/> ca/
"She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands."
Proverbs 31:13
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ren Allen
~~Maybe I should repost this comment as How not to be worried if your
13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....~~
I have a 17 year old that plays a LOT of World of Warcraft. We just
helped him buy a new computer today, so he could continue playing
without disruption as his old computer was dying a slow death.
I also got World of Warcraft for two of my middle kids and Jared
bought XBox 360 and Oblivion with his Christmas money. Suffice it to
say that we're a huge gaming family. In fact, we have the old N64
system, Xbox, Xbox 360, Gamecube AND PS2. Sierra is saving money for
the Wii right now (yay for grandparents that send money on holidays
and birthdays!!) It seems almost ridiculous when I list it all out, as
though we're a bit overboard. But when I see the learning and joy all
our technology has helped bring into our home, how could I NOT support it?
We do a lot of other activities too.... I just happen to have kids
that really get a lot out of video gaming of all kinds. So no
stress...it's all learning and YES, it does help them expand their
worlds.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....~~
I have a 17 year old that plays a LOT of World of Warcraft. We just
helped him buy a new computer today, so he could continue playing
without disruption as his old computer was dying a slow death.
I also got World of Warcraft for two of my middle kids and Jared
bought XBox 360 and Oblivion with his Christmas money. Suffice it to
say that we're a huge gaming family. In fact, we have the old N64
system, Xbox, Xbox 360, Gamecube AND PS2. Sierra is saving money for
the Wii right now (yay for grandparents that send money on holidays
and birthdays!!) It seems almost ridiculous when I list it all out, as
though we're a bit overboard. But when I see the learning and joy all
our technology has helped bring into our home, how could I NOT support it?
We do a lot of other activities too.... I just happen to have kids
that really get a lot out of video gaming of all kinds. So no
stress...it's all learning and YES, it does help them expand their
worlds.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ariannah Armstrong
Suzanne Graves wrote:
All the best,
Ariannah
--
Ariannah Armstrong
http://ec.lecti.ca/
"She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands."
Proverbs 31:13
> Arianna,We live in Timberlea area for the past 1.5 years.
>
> Where in NS are you? My husband grew up in the Bridgewater-Lunenburg area
> and his family is all still there.
All the best,
Ariannah
--
Ariannah Armstrong
http://ec.lecti.ca/
"She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands."
Proverbs 31:13
Morten Holmstrup
Hi,
this is my first post here, so I'm sorry if this has been mentioned
before.
Speaking of computer games I thought I'd recommend the book "Don't
Bother Me Mom--I'm Learning" by Marc Prensky, an educational software
developer. I just bought the book which takes a very pro-game look at
kids and games. I love the term "digital natives", which he uses to
describe 21st kids as opposed to "digital immigrants" (grown ups) :)
The book isn't really unschooling-centered, but the author does mention
unschooling a couple of places in the book (in a positive way).
http://www.marcprensky.com/
Our 2 kids are only 4 months and 3 years, but the oldest is already very
interested in gaming, and I just love to see him gradually learning his
way around the computer.
cheers
Morten (Denmark)
tor, 28 12 2006 kl. 20:54 +0000, skrev Ren Allen:
this is my first post here, so I'm sorry if this has been mentioned
before.
Speaking of computer games I thought I'd recommend the book "Don't
Bother Me Mom--I'm Learning" by Marc Prensky, an educational software
developer. I just bought the book which takes a very pro-game look at
kids and games. I love the term "digital natives", which he uses to
describe 21st kids as opposed to "digital immigrants" (grown ups) :)
The book isn't really unschooling-centered, but the author does mention
unschooling a couple of places in the book (in a positive way).
http://www.marcprensky.com/
Our 2 kids are only 4 months and 3 years, but the oldest is already very
interested in gaming, and I just love to see him gradually learning his
way around the computer.
cheers
Morten (Denmark)
tor, 28 12 2006 kl. 20:54 +0000, skrev Ren Allen:
> ~~Maybe I should repost this comment as How not to be worried if your
> 13 yo only son plays World of Warcraft all day, every day....~~
>
> I have a 17 year old that plays a LOT of World of Warcraft. We just
> helped him buy a new computer today, so he could continue playing
> without disruption as his old computer was dying a slow death.
>
> I also got World of Warcraft for two of my middle kids and Jared
> bought XBox 360 and Oblivion with his Christmas money. Suffice it to
> say that we're a huge gaming family. In fact, we have the old N64
> system, Xbox, Xbox 360, Gamecube AND PS2. Sierra is saving money for
> the Wii right now (yay for grandparents that send money on holidays
> and birthdays!!) It seems almost ridiculous when I list it all out, as
> though we're a bit overboard. But when I see the learning and joy all
> our technology has helped bring into our home, how could I NOT support
> it?
>
> We do a lot of other activities too.... I just happen to have kids
> that really get a lot out of video gaming of all kinds. So no
> stress...it's all learning and YES, it does help them expand their
> worlds.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
>
>
>
>