and they say we're crazy?!?
rshoulla
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/12/13/206561.html?
title=Controversial+therapy
oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced to
use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soon as
they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.
My ds would be terrified.
I would NEVER consider such a thing to calm a child.
Why don't they just lock them in dark closets? I think it would have
a similar effect and "success" with forcing children into submission.
Brother. IMHO this sounds like abuse to me.
Tell me I'm not the only one who's outraged by the thought of such a
thing...
title=Controversial+therapy
oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced to
use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soon as
they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.
My ds would be terrified.
I would NEVER consider such a thing to calm a child.
Why don't they just lock them in dark closets? I think it would have
a similar effect and "success" with forcing children into submission.
Brother. IMHO this sounds like abuse to me.
Tell me I'm not the only one who's outraged by the thought of such a
thing...
Michelle Leifur Reid
On 12/13/06, rshoulla <rshoulla@...> wrote:
and a very poor form of "discipline." My children would be terrified
in such a device as well unless they were in a VERY safe environment
and decided to explore it themselves. The child obviously wanted
out!!!
Michelle
> http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/12/13/206561.html?Yes, outraged. I don't care what the teacher calls it, it is abuse
> title=Controversial+therapy
>
> oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
> with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced to
> use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soon as
> they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.
> My ds would be terrified.
and a very poor form of "discipline." My children would be terrified
in such a device as well unless they were in a VERY safe environment
and decided to explore it themselves. The child obviously wanted
out!!!
Michelle
tigeress2474
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they did this to my child.... heads would roll. This is just wrong and a sick thing to do to a child.
Its kind of like what some Dr.s tried to use to "rebirth" a child. They felt it would help them be a better child and not be so "unruley". Children died from it. Are they going to wait and see if a child dies in school from this before they stop it?
This is just plain sick!!!!!!!!!!
Jennifer :)
rshoulla <rshoulla@...> wrote:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/12/13/206561.html?
title=Controversial+therapy
oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced to
use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soon as
they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.
My ds would be terrified.
I would NEVER consider such a thing to calm a child.
Why don't they just lock them in dark closets? I think it would have
a similar effect and "success" with forcing children into submission.
Brother. IMHO this sounds like abuse to me.
Tell me I'm not the only one who's outraged by the thought of such a
thing...
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Its kind of like what some Dr.s tried to use to "rebirth" a child. They felt it would help them be a better child and not be so "unruley". Children died from it. Are they going to wait and see if a child dies in school from this before they stop it?
This is just plain sick!!!!!!!!!!
Jennifer :)
rshoulla <rshoulla@...> wrote:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/12/13/206561.html?
title=Controversial+therapy
oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced to
use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soon as
they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.
My ds would be terrified.
I would NEVER consider such a thing to calm a child.
Why don't they just lock them in dark closets? I think it would have
a similar effect and "success" with forcing children into submission.
Brother. IMHO this sounds like abuse to me.
Tell me I'm not the only one who's outraged by the thought of such a
thing...
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Brian & Alexandra Polikowsky
Last night I was surfing channels nursing my 10 month old to sleep and came across the new show on TLC "House of Tiny Terror". The title itself is disgusting but I was not prepared to see so much abuse being portrayed as good parenting by an "expert". I wanted to throw up.
That is why parents do not know what happens when their kids grow up and are angry or worse.
Enough with my rant. I got to keep myself from seeing those shows that make me sick.
Alex
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That is why parents do not know what happens when their kids grow up and are angry or worse.
Enough with my rant. I got to keep myself from seeing those shows that make me sick.
Alex
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-----Original Message-----
From: tigeress2474@...
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they did this to my child.... heads would
roll. This is
just wrong and a sick thing to do to a child.
Its kind of like what some Dr.s tried to use to "rebirth" a child.
They felt
it would help them be a better child and not be so "unruley". Children
died from
it. Are they going to wait and see if a child dies in school from this
before
they stop it?
This is just plain sick!!!!!!!!!!
-=-=-=-=-
Oh--now...see, I can completely see both my kids *playing* with them!
<g>
NOT as punishment or anything---but they look FUN! <G>
BAD school thang. Fun at home.
~Kelly
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From: tigeress2474@...
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they did this to my child.... heads would
roll. This is
just wrong and a sick thing to do to a child.
Its kind of like what some Dr.s tried to use to "rebirth" a child.
They felt
it would help them be a better child and not be so "unruley". Children
died from
it. Are they going to wait and see if a child dies in school from this
before
they stop it?
This is just plain sick!!!!!!!!!!
-=-=-=-=-
Oh--now...see, I can completely see both my kids *playing* with them!
<g>
NOT as punishment or anything---but they look FUN! <G>
BAD school thang. Fun at home.
~Kelly
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I must admit, if it were available in the UK, I might just get one. 65 bucks
is a bit steep, but they looked pretty cool to me.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
is a bit steep, but they looked pretty cool to me.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] and they say we're crazy?!?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigeress2474@...
>
> OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they did this to my child.... heads would
> roll. This is
> just wrong and a sick thing to do to a child.
> Its kind of like what some Dr.s tried to use to "rebirth" a child.
> They felt
> it would help them be a better child and not be so "unruley". Children
> died from
> it. Are they going to wait and see if a child dies in school from this
> before
> they stop it?
> This is just plain sick!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Oh--now...see, I can completely see both my kids *playing* with them!
> <g>
>
> NOT as punishment or anything---but they look FUN! <G>
>
> BAD school thang. Fun at home.
>
> ~Kelly
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rshoulla" <rshoulla@...>
> Tell me I'm not the only one who's outraged by the thought of such a
> thing...
You are not the only one. This reminds me of the Tizzy Tube from American
Inventor. <<Shudder.>>
Dawn
Julie Peters
For punishment OMG NO! But for FUN, absolutely! If my kids were
smaller they would love it. They used to spend hours all wrapped and
bundled in blankets, pillowcases, sleeping bags, etc. Way cool...if
used by kids not adults.
Julie Peters
smaller they would love it. They used to spend hours all wrapped and
bundled in blankets, pillowcases, sleeping bags, etc. Way cool...if
used by kids not adults.
Julie Peters
alisonslp
These body socks are very popular for kids with autism and sensory
processing needs. Many of these kids crave that kind of input. they
are used in therapy quite often, but to use it in the way that this
school apparently has is overstapping the boundaries... Definitely
seemed like punishment to me, and NOT a calming experience for that
child. Ihad to try one as a part of training when I worked in an
autsim program. I couldn't get out fast enough - gave me high anxiety
- I hate any type of situation where I feel my breathing could be
compromised (either by too small a space or too many people) - yes,
it's an odd phobia but a very real one for me...
alison
processing needs. Many of these kids crave that kind of input. they
are used in therapy quite often, but to use it in the way that this
school apparently has is overstapping the boundaries... Definitely
seemed like punishment to me, and NOT a calming experience for that
child. Ihad to try one as a part of training when I worked in an
autsim program. I couldn't get out fast enough - gave me high anxiety
- I hate any type of situation where I feel my breathing could be
compromised (either by too small a space or too many people) - yes,
it's an odd phobia but a very real one for me...
alison
Kelly Weyd
OK, I was just able to link up to this article. As I said previously my daughter has sensory issues and Asperger's Syndrome. Now I'd think a school district would be setting themselves up for a liability situation. The picture they showed the body sock went over the head......I would not allow that with my daughter unless it was her idea. It's been my understanding that these types of socks are used for Occupational Therapy. I don't think they were meant or developed to be used as a discipline technique, so I'm not sure what this school was thinking. I think I would only allow this to be used with my daughter in an Occupational Therapy setting while I was there, or at home if it was her idea. Definately not as a discipline technique. Now I understand why everyone is so offended.
Kelly
Michelle Leifur Reid <pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
Kelly
Michelle Leifur Reid <pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
On 12/13/06, rshoulla <rshoulla@...> wrote:
> http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/12/13/206561.html?
> title=Controversial+therapy
>
> oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
> with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced to
> use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soon as
> they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.
> My ds would be terrified.
Yes, outraged. I don't care what the teacher calls it, it is abuse
and a very poor form of "discipline." My children would be terrified
in such a device as well unless they were in a VERY safe environment
and decided to explore it themselves. The child obviously wanted
out!!!
Michelle
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plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], "Julie Peters"
<julieannpeters@...> wrote:
would be fun if it were big enough.
I've been looking at the pix wondering if I could make one - a nice
cotton-lycra blend would breathe well, and it looks like they "velcro"
shut - or they could, anyway. That would eliminate the hassle of
trying to work a zipper from the inside. Hmmmmm. Y'know I have
some "stretch tulle" somewhere - basically a stretchy mesh, so its see-
through and totally breathable. I may be doing some experimenting....
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
<julieannpeters@...> wrote:
>Yeah, if used *by* kids, not *on* kids. For that matter *by* adults
> For punishment OMG NO! But for FUN, absolutely!... Way cool...if
> used by kids not adults.
would be fun if it were big enough.
I've been looking at the pix wondering if I could make one - a nice
cotton-lycra blend would breathe well, and it looks like they "velcro"
shut - or they could, anyway. That would eliminate the hassle of
trying to work a zipper from the inside. Hmmmmm. Y'know I have
some "stretch tulle" somewhere - basically a stretchy mesh, so its see-
through and totally breathable. I may be doing some experimenting....
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
alisonslp
--- In [email protected], "plaidpanties666"
<plaidpanties666@...> wrote:
up the sides, with both ends open. The kids would just crawl into them
and hang out. Some wanted their heads out, some didn't. I think the
socks were about 6ft long - definitely long enough for them to get
alot of input as they were making their way through the sock to the end.
alison
<plaidpanties666@...> wrote:
> I've been looking at the pix wondering if I could make one - a niceThe ones we used to use were just pieces of spandex/lycra blends sewn
> cotton-lycra blend would breathe well, and it looks like they "velcro"
> shut - or they could, anyway. That would eliminate the hassle of
> trying to work a zipper from the inside. Hmmmmm. Y'know I have
> some "stretch tulle" somewhere - basically a stretchy mesh, so its >see-
> through and totally breathable. I may be doing some experimenting....
>
> ---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
>
up the sides, with both ends open. The kids would just crawl into them
and hang out. Some wanted their heads out, some didn't. I think the
socks were about 6ft long - definitely long enough for them to get
alot of input as they were making their way through the sock to the end.
alison
Misty
--- In [email protected], "rshoulla" <rshoulla@...>
wrote:
have both seen and used the "body sock" but it's not at all what they
make it out to be. When we used it in our class room it was brought
in by a museum group called Arts Partners. It was used for movement
just like scarves and stretchy bands, instruments and other such
things. Kids were allowed to try it and move around to the beat of
music. No child was forced, but we encouraged them to try it out for
something new. Most of the kids loved it. But, if they were
uncomfortable then they didn't do it, no big deal. This teacher
might have been a wacko who thought it was calming and tried to
assert it in another way, but when I read the part about the
assistant putting a child back in I thought, maybe she misunderstood
the child and thought he needed help getting back in. They had these
at an arts festival I took my daughter to in August then, 2.5 yo. I
got in and showed it to my dd so she'd know what it was. I appeared
to be the only person there who knew what they were for, so I kind of
demonstrated to everyone. It's a lycra type material that you can
easily see out of and breath, unless of course you're closterphobic
or something. Anyway, dd tried it out a couple of times, but
ultimately she's not into that kind of thing, she wasn't interested
in most the stuff in the music / movement section. Anyway, I don't
know exactly what was going on there, but I rather doubt the district
or even school as a whole use it as "punishment" Just wantd to set
the record straight.
Misty
wrote:
>to
> http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/12/13/206561.html?
> title=Controversial+therapy
>
> oh...I'm just sick. Okay, to be fair, I can see where this might,
> with the right child in the right setting (where they aren't forced
> use it!!) be a fun tool...if they can breathe AND get out as soonas
> they want to...if they want to be in it in the first place.have
> My ds would be terrified.
> I would NEVER consider such a thing to calm a child.
> Why don't they just lock them in dark closets? I think it would
> a similar effect and "success" with forcing children intosubmission.
>a
> Brother. IMHO this sounds like abuse to me.
> Tell me I'm not the only one who's outraged by the thought of such
> thing...Okay, I had to reply to this. As a former teacher and parent. I
>
have both seen and used the "body sock" but it's not at all what they
make it out to be. When we used it in our class room it was brought
in by a museum group called Arts Partners. It was used for movement
just like scarves and stretchy bands, instruments and other such
things. Kids were allowed to try it and move around to the beat of
music. No child was forced, but we encouraged them to try it out for
something new. Most of the kids loved it. But, if they were
uncomfortable then they didn't do it, no big deal. This teacher
might have been a wacko who thought it was calming and tried to
assert it in another way, but when I read the part about the
assistant putting a child back in I thought, maybe she misunderstood
the child and thought he needed help getting back in. They had these
at an arts festival I took my daughter to in August then, 2.5 yo. I
got in and showed it to my dd so she'd know what it was. I appeared
to be the only person there who knew what they were for, so I kind of
demonstrated to everyone. It's a lycra type material that you can
easily see out of and breath, unless of course you're closterphobic
or something. Anyway, dd tried it out a couple of times, but
ultimately she's not into that kind of thing, she wasn't interested
in most the stuff in the music / movement section. Anyway, I don't
know exactly what was going on there, but I rather doubt the district
or even school as a whole use it as "punishment" Just wantd to set
the record straight.
Misty
Nicole Willoughby
I have to put my 2 cents in on this. I have an autistic son who loves this sort of stuff. He likes to lay under his mattress (head out) have his backpack on with a few books in it, have me squish him under a pillow ( again of course head out) . These are sensory tool and are proven calmers for some kids...the bodysock included. They can be a great help.
What this teacher did wrong in my opinion......
First no kid with asthma should be given a "therapy" that restrains their chest...no the body sock dosent but I like to mention it because I dont want anyone trying to squish their asmatic child with pillows.
Second ....Always, always, always respect the childs wishes.... Would you like to be a burrito today ? ( wrapping a blanket tightly around the child ) then assuming the child gave a yes ...you need to stay right with the child and give assurance that as soon as they ( child ) says Im done you will unwrap and of course follow through with that.
I dont think its abuse in fact can help a great deal but it sometimes worries me because when done the wrong way it can go from something that a child might have tried after seeing it 3 or 4 times and might have been helped by to something they are horrified of.
Nicole
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What this teacher did wrong in my opinion......
First no kid with asthma should be given a "therapy" that restrains their chest...no the body sock dosent but I like to mention it because I dont want anyone trying to squish their asmatic child with pillows.
Second ....Always, always, always respect the childs wishes.... Would you like to be a burrito today ? ( wrapping a blanket tightly around the child ) then assuming the child gave a yes ...you need to stay right with the child and give assurance that as soon as they ( child ) says Im done you will unwrap and of course follow through with that.
I dont think its abuse in fact can help a great deal but it sometimes worries me because when done the wrong way it can go from something that a child might have tried after seeing it 3 or 4 times and might have been helped by to something they are horrified of.
Nicole
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