I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
kellmar98
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
Cookiebaker
I had to work yesterday so I missed the show and don't have tivo/dvr. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't a bashing fest on unschooling/homeschooling. That's great to hear!! :o) Thanks for the review. I need to contact my friend who said she was going to record it and see if I can watch it at her house. I'd love to see it for myself.
Valerie K
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Cookiebaker
Oh yea...on a second note...I know that most people don't understand unschooling...let alone homeschooling. I have a friend who completely believes in the public school system even though her 9 yr old this year has turned into a complete jerk--including his attitude towards his teacher, me as his daycare provider, his bus driver and his parents. But, she still reasons with herself and says that ps is the right thing for their family. Their 5 yr old boy started K this year and is the same way....huge attitude. He's done a complete turn from being an angel boy to devil boy over the past couple months. It's pretty sad really that school does that to kids. :o(
Just had to throw that out there. There are some people that you'll never convince about homeschooling.
Valerie K
Just had to throw that out there. There are some people that you'll never convince about homeschooling.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Kelly Weyd
What's sad is that some of them don't even consider it an option for ANYONE. I can see that some families both parents need to work to make ends meat, so homeschooling might not work for them. But some people can't open their minds enough to see that homeschooling/and or unschooling might be a viable option for some families.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
Oh yea...on a second note...I know that most people don't understand unschooling...let alone homeschooling. I have a friend who completely believes in the public school system even though her 9 yr old this year has turned into a complete jerk--including his attitude towards his teacher, me as his daycare provider, his bus driver and his parents. But, she still reasons with herself and says that ps is the right thing for their family. Their 5 yr old boy started K this year and is the same way....huge attitude. He's done a complete turn from being an angel boy to devil boy over the past couple months. It's pretty sad really that school does that to kids. :o(
Just had to throw that out there. There are some people that you'll never convince about homeschooling.
Valerie K
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
Oh yea...on a second note...I know that most people don't understand unschooling...let alone homeschooling. I have a friend who completely believes in the public school system even though her 9 yr old this year has turned into a complete jerk--including his attitude towards his teacher, me as his daycare provider, his bus driver and his parents. But, she still reasons with herself and says that ps is the right thing for their family. Their 5 yr old boy started K this year and is the same way....huge attitude. He's done a complete turn from being an angel boy to devil boy over the past couple months. It's pretty sad really that school does that to kids. :o(
Just had to throw that out there. There are some people that you'll never convince about homeschooling.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Valerie,
I guess the ruling is still out on this one. A lot of people on this board and others are up in arms thinking the show was terrible. Maybe it was and I'm not seeing it. Knowing that these types of shows (Dr. Phil, Oprah, etc.) are all about Ratings and Sensationalism, I expected the worst. I was pleasantly surprised that they actually presented both sides, and the homeschoolers/unschoolers were not totally blasted. I have seen Dr. Phil totally brow beat people in the past, and because of it I had stopped watching his show. Anyway at the end of the show they had this 26 year old gal on that had been homeschooled, and she was anti-homeschooling. She said it made her socially retarded, and that she to this day was afraid to go to College because she had never been exposed to a classroom type setting. Well I had to wonder what the rest of the story was on that one. The homeschooled teens I know where we live are involved in sports, clubs, going to homeschool proms,
teen groups, 4-H, oh the list goes on and on........these kids are not socially retarded by any stretch. And another woman made the point that homeschooling does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. Actually that last bit I thought was the most negative thing about the whole segment.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
I had to work yesterday so I missed the show and don't have tivo/dvr. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't a bashing fest on unschooling/homeschooling. That's great to hear!! :o) Thanks for the review. I need to contact my friend who said she was going to record it and see if I can watch it at her house. I'd love to see it for myself.
Valerie K
I guess the ruling is still out on this one. A lot of people on this board and others are up in arms thinking the show was terrible. Maybe it was and I'm not seeing it. Knowing that these types of shows (Dr. Phil, Oprah, etc.) are all about Ratings and Sensationalism, I expected the worst. I was pleasantly surprised that they actually presented both sides, and the homeschoolers/unschoolers were not totally blasted. I have seen Dr. Phil totally brow beat people in the past, and because of it I had stopped watching his show. Anyway at the end of the show they had this 26 year old gal on that had been homeschooled, and she was anti-homeschooling. She said it made her socially retarded, and that she to this day was afraid to go to College because she had never been exposed to a classroom type setting. Well I had to wonder what the rest of the story was on that one. The homeschooled teens I know where we live are involved in sports, clubs, going to homeschool proms,
teen groups, 4-H, oh the list goes on and on........these kids are not socially retarded by any stretch. And another woman made the point that homeschooling does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. Actually that last bit I thought was the most negative thing about the whole segment.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
I had to work yesterday so I missed the show and don't have tivo/dvr. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't a bashing fest on unschooling/homeschooling. That's great to hear!! :o) Thanks for the review. I need to contact my friend who said she was going to record it and see if I can watch it at her house. I'd love to see it for myself.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Cookiebaker
That's exactly what I mean. My friend doesn't look down on me for homeschooling but she certainly doesn't support it and probably never will. Only because she's ignorant about it. We both have mutual friends and I'd say that over 1/2 of our mutual friends are homeschoolers. She's the only one out of the group that has said she completely refuses to ever consider homeschooling because the ps system does a better job. And it's not that she's not "qualified", she's extremely smart and has a college degree, she just doesn't want to consider it as an option....ever.
Valerie K
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Weyd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
What's sad is that some of them don't even consider it an option for ANYONE. I can see that some families both parents need to work to make ends meat, so homeschooling might not work for them. But some people can't open their minds enough to see that homeschooling/and or unschooling might be a viable option for some families.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
Oh yea...on a second note...I know that most people don't understand unschooling...let alone homeschooling. I have a friend who completely believes in the public school system even though her 9 yr old this year has turned into a complete jerk--including his attitude towards his teacher, me as his daycare provider, his bus driver and his parents. But, she still reasons with herself and says that ps is the right thing for their family. Their 5 yr old boy started K this year and is the same way....huge attitude. He's done a complete turn from being an angel boy to devil boy over the past couple months. It's pretty sad really that school does that to kids. :o(
Just had to throw that out there. There are some people that you'll never convince about homeschooling.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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The 26 yr old must have been pretty sheltered then or have some self-esteem issues then. I can't see how anyone homeschooled would consider themselves socially retarded unless they just never interacted with anyone....ever.
My kids are only 9 and 5 and are the most outgoing kids I've ever seen. They have their normal hang-ups about walking up to a stranger (say the person behind the counter at the bookstore) to ask them a question, but I make them do it anyway on their own so they know how to speak to adults and ask the questions they need to get through life and everyday activities.
It makes you wonder if that gal from the show ever attended any kind of class setting....whether it be Sunday school or a homeschool conference meeting. Sounds very strange that she would say homeschooling made her socially retarded. Like I said before, there has to be more behind her life story leading her to be so scared of a college setting. Very sad really that her parents didn't prepare her better for life.
Valerie K
My kids are only 9 and 5 and are the most outgoing kids I've ever seen. They have their normal hang-ups about walking up to a stranger (say the person behind the counter at the bookstore) to ask them a question, but I make them do it anyway on their own so they know how to speak to adults and ask the questions they need to get through life and everyday activities.
It makes you wonder if that gal from the show ever attended any kind of class setting....whether it be Sunday school or a homeschool conference meeting. Sounds very strange that she would say homeschooling made her socially retarded. Like I said before, there has to be more behind her life story leading her to be so scared of a college setting. Very sad really that her parents didn't prepare her better for life.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Weyd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
Valerie,
I guess the ruling is still out on this one. A lot of people on this board and others are up in arms thinking the show was terrible. Maybe it was and I'm not seeing it. Knowing that these types of shows (Dr. Phil, Oprah, etc.) are all about Ratings and Sensationalism, I expected the worst. I was pleasantly surprised that they actually presented both sides, and the homeschoolers/unschoolers were not totally blasted. I have seen Dr. Phil totally brow beat people in the past, and because of it I had stopped watching his show. Anyway at the end of the show they had this 26 year old gal on that had been homeschooled, and she was anti-homeschooling. She said it made her socially retarded, and that she to this day was afraid to go to College because she had never been exposed to a classroom type setting. Well I had to wonder what the rest of the story was on that one. The homeschooled teens I know where we live are involved in sports, clubs, going to homeschool proms,
teen groups, 4-H, oh the list goes on and on........these kids are not socially retarded by any stretch. And another woman made the point that homeschooling does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. Actually that last bit I thought was the most negative thing about the whole segment.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
I had to work yesterday so I missed the show and don't have tivo/dvr. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't a bashing fest on unschooling/homeschooling. That's great to hear!! :o) Thanks for the review. I need to contact my friend who said she was going to record it and see if I can watch it at her house. I'd love to see it for myself.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Kelly Weyd
Exactly, there is definately more to that story than is not being told. I personally think it's a personal issue with her, not a homeschool issue. And who knows what kind of upbringing she had or what her life experiences have been. Now I have a 6 year old that does not do well socially, and it has nothing to do with being homeschooled........although I'm sure people will say it's because of that. It's because she has Asperger's Syndrome, and it's very common for kid's with Asperger's to have a hard time socially. Now my 8 year old is as social as they come. She loves to be around people and it does not matter whether they are 2 or 82 she loves to talk to them.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
The 26 yr old must have been pretty sheltered then or have some self-esteem issues then. I can't see how anyone homeschooled would consider themselves socially retarded unless they just never interacted with anyone....ever.
My kids are only 9 and 5 and are the most outgoing kids I've ever seen. They have their normal hang-ups about walking up to a stranger (say the person behind the counter at the bookstore) to ask them a question, but I make them do it anyway on their own so they know how to speak to adults and ask the questions they need to get through life and everyday activities.
It makes you wonder if that gal from the show ever attended any kind of class setting....whether it be Sunday school or a homeschool conference meeting. Sounds very strange that she would say homeschooling made her socially retarded. Like I said before, there has to be more behind her life story leading her to be so scared of a college setting. Very sad really that her parents didn't prepare her better for life.
Valerie K
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
The 26 yr old must have been pretty sheltered then or have some self-esteem issues then. I can't see how anyone homeschooled would consider themselves socially retarded unless they just never interacted with anyone....ever.
My kids are only 9 and 5 and are the most outgoing kids I've ever seen. They have their normal hang-ups about walking up to a stranger (say the person behind the counter at the bookstore) to ask them a question, but I make them do it anyway on their own so they know how to speak to adults and ask the questions they need to get through life and everyday activities.
It makes you wonder if that gal from the show ever attended any kind of class setting....whether it be Sunday school or a homeschool conference meeting. Sounds very strange that she would say homeschooling made her socially retarded. Like I said before, there has to be more behind her life story leading her to be so scared of a college setting. Very sad really that her parents didn't prepare her better for life.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Weyd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
Valerie,
I guess the ruling is still out on this one. A lot of people on this board and others are up in arms thinking the show was terrible. Maybe it was and I'm not seeing it. Knowing that these types of shows (Dr. Phil, Oprah, etc.) are all about Ratings and Sensationalism, I expected the worst. I was pleasantly surprised that they actually presented both sides, and the homeschoolers/unschoolers were not totally blasted. I have seen Dr. Phil totally brow beat people in the past, and because of it I had stopped watching his show. Anyway at the end of the show they had this 26 year old gal on that had been homeschooled, and she was anti-homeschooling. She said it made her socially retarded, and that she to this day was afraid to go to College because she had never been exposed to a classroom type setting. Well I had to wonder what the rest of the story was on that one. The homeschooled teens I know where we live are involved in sports, clubs, going to homeschool proms,
teen groups, 4-H, oh the list goes on and on........these kids are not socially retarded by any stretch. And another woman made the point that homeschooling does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. Actually that last bit I thought was the most negative thing about the whole segment.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
I had to work yesterday so I missed the show and don't have tivo/dvr. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't a bashing fest on unschooling/homeschooling. That's great to hear!! :o) Thanks for the review. I need to contact my friend who said she was going to record it and see if I can watch it at her house. I'd love to see it for myself.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Cookiebaker
So true. :o)
Valerie K
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Weyd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
Exactly, there is definately more to that story than is not being told. I personally think it's a personal issue with her, not a homeschool issue. And who knows what kind of upbringing she had or what her life experiences have been. Now I have a 6 year old that does not do well socially, and it has nothing to do with being homeschooled........although I'm sure people will say it's because of that. It's because she has Asperger's Syndrome, and it's very common for kid's with Asperger's to have a hard time socially. Now my 8 year old is as social as they come. She loves to be around people and it does not matter whether they are 2 or 82 she loves to talk to them.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
The 26 yr old must have been pretty sheltered then or have some self-esteem issues then. I can't see how anyone homeschooled would consider themselves socially retarded unless they just never interacted with anyone....ever.
My kids are only 9 and 5 and are the most outgoing kids I've ever seen. They have their normal hang-ups about walking up to a stranger (say the person behind the counter at the bookstore) to ask them a question, but I make them do it anyway on their own so they know how to speak to adults and ask the questions they need to get through life and everyday activities.
It makes you wonder if that gal from the show ever attended any kind of class setting....whether it be Sunday school or a homeschool conference meeting. Sounds very strange that she would say homeschooling made her socially retarded. Like I said before, there has to be more behind her life story leading her to be so scared of a college setting. Very sad really that her parents didn't prepare her better for life.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Weyd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
Valerie,
I guess the ruling is still out on this one. A lot of people on this board and others are up in arms thinking the show was terrible. Maybe it was and I'm not seeing it. Knowing that these types of shows (Dr. Phil, Oprah, etc.) are all about Ratings and Sensationalism, I expected the worst. I was pleasantly surprised that they actually presented both sides, and the homeschoolers/unschoolers were not totally blasted. I have seen Dr. Phil totally brow beat people in the past, and because of it I had stopped watching his show. Anyway at the end of the show they had this 26 year old gal on that had been homeschooled, and she was anti-homeschooling. She said it made her socially retarded, and that she to this day was afraid to go to College because she had never been exposed to a classroom type setting. Well I had to wonder what the rest of the story was on that one. The homeschooled teens I know where we live are involved in sports, clubs, going to homeschool proms,
teen groups, 4-H, oh the list goes on and on........these kids are not socially retarded by any stretch. And another woman made the point that homeschooling does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. Actually that last bit I thought was the most negative thing about the whole segment.
Kelly
Cookiebaker <vkubat1@...> wrote:
I had to work yesterday so I missed the show and don't have tivo/dvr. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't a bashing fest on unschooling/homeschooling. That's great to hear!! :o) Thanks for the review. I need to contact my friend who said she was going to record it and see if I can watch it at her house. I'd love to see it for myself.
Valerie K
----- Original Message -----
From: kellmar98
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] I just watched the Dr. Phil show on Unschooling!
I was expecting it to be totally Anti-Homeschooling/Unschooling, and
it really was not. Of course in any type of show like this they
have to give views of all sides. But I thought it put a positive
spin on Homeschooling and Unschooling. I think though the thing
people don't realize is that there is such a varied group of
homeschoolers and unschoolers out there (some people want to put
them all in one group, and think they are all the same). One woman
in the audience was an unschooler and she did a nice job showing
what a wonderful, rich life her 3 kids are living and that the 3
kids are happy. And the unschooler on the stage did a good job too,
and she made the point that her kids have a choice whether they want
to go to school or not. I think probably a lot of America has never
heard of Unschooling or does not understand Unschooling so it put
the word out and hopefully it will make people think about it. They
had a public school teacher talking about how wonderful public
school was, and she just was not convincing to me. Dr. Phil himself
said that he hated school, but he said that if his parents had left
him to his own divices it would have been a disaster......which is
where I think he was not understanding how unschooling works. And
you could see during the show he was trying to process how it
works. He ended with saying that parents have to do what they feel
is right for their children. Luckily he did not totally blast the
unschoolers or homeschoolers which is what I thought would happen.
Kelly
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Ren Allen
~And another woman made the point that homeschooling
does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. ~
Some are.
Some keep their kids home to "train" them in a certain religion
without interference. Just because there are plenty of healthy, happy
homeschooled kids, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of dysfunctional
families that homeschool AND parents that shelter their kids from the
world.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. ~
Some are.
Some keep their kids home to "train" them in a certain religion
without interference. Just because there are plenty of healthy, happy
homeschooled kids, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of dysfunctional
families that homeschool AND parents that shelter their kids from the
world.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/25/06, Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@...> wrote:
from "the big bad world" rather than exposed her to all the richness
and possibilities that are out there! How very sad.
We had college football on here too.
Michelle
> Anyway at the end of the show they had this 26 year old gal on that had been homeschooled, and she was anti-homeschooling. She said it made her socially retarded, and that she to this day was afraid to go to College because she had never been exposed to a classroom type setting.Sounds like this girl was one of those whose parents sheltered her
from "the big bad world" rather than exposed her to all the richness
and possibilities that are out there! How very sad.
We had college football on here too.
Michelle
Kelly Weyd
So true Ren, there are all different types of homeschoolers out there.
Kelly
Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
~And another woman made the point that homeschooling
does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. ~
Some are.
Some keep their kids home to "train" them in a certain religion
without interference. Just because there are plenty of healthy, happy
homeschooled kids, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of dysfunctional
families that homeschool AND parents that shelter their kids from the
world.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
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Kelly
Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
~And another woman made the point that homeschooling
does not mean some kind of reclusive, hidden in a cave lifestyle. ~
Some are.
Some keep their kids home to "train" them in a certain religion
without interference. Just because there are plenty of healthy, happy
homeschooled kids, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of dysfunctional
families that homeschool AND parents that shelter their kids from the
world.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
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