Re: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
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My question is regarding cosleeping. It has been something our small
very comforted by co sleeping. It just feels like it is how it should be.
My boys do have their own room, with their toys etc. But for now they prefer
to sleep along side us. I am sure when they are ready they will want their
own beds but for now this is our family bed.
Pam G
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> family has believed in, and so has felt very natural that we do it. WeMy sons are 12 and 9 and we still co sleep in our King size bed. We all are
> have one child, who feels secure and safe in the same room or bed
> sleeping with one or both parents, even though he knows we leave the
> room for a bit at times. How long has this desire for cosleeping
> continued in other families? I know it probably varies for every
> child, but I am curious....and admittedly selfishly looking towards
> more night-time freedom.<<<<<<<,
very comforted by co sleeping. It just feels like it is how it should be.
My boys do have their own room, with their toys etc. But for now they prefer
to sleep along side us. I am sure when they are ready they will want their
own beds but for now this is our family bed.
Pam G
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rebecca de
Ok I haven't been at the computer in a while but below Genant2 wrote the she is admittedly selfishly looking for more nite time freedom.... Since the birth of my 8 month old who has co-slept with me since birth have begon 'unschooling' and opening up to a 'family bed' more or less. My 4 year old is back in bed with me when he wants to but my dilemma is the same... sometimes I just need some nite time freedom. For instance one night the two boys would not go to sleep and I was tired and grouchy to boot and I just kept wishing they would just go to sleep (but other nights i could care less!!) So how do I deal with needing time--- I've decided that I can grasp on to some freedoms or mommy time by 1) literally stepping out of the house by myself and go to yoga for a couple hours 2) take time in the morning when neither of them really 'need' me to badly --
However, I am also grasping for more ideas just to be comfortable with everything. Sometimes I just want my bed to myself and sometimes I take a couple hours to sleep by myself but as soon as baby needs me I bring back in -- plus I find I miss them when there not there..... GEEZ can I make up my mind --- see that is the whole point how can I find a happy medium where I feel like I have some hours to myself??? (I am a single parent so dropping on daddy's lap isn't an option.)
Genant2@... wrote:
My question is regarding cosleeping. It has been something our small
very comforted by co sleeping. It just feels like it is how it should be.
My boys do have their own room, with their toys etc. But for now they prefer
to sleep along side us. I am sure when they are ready they will want their
own beds but for now this is our family bed.
Pam G
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However, I am also grasping for more ideas just to be comfortable with everything. Sometimes I just want my bed to myself and sometimes I take a couple hours to sleep by myself but as soon as baby needs me I bring back in -- plus I find I miss them when there not there..... GEEZ can I make up my mind --- see that is the whole point how can I find a happy medium where I feel like I have some hours to myself??? (I am a single parent so dropping on daddy's lap isn't an option.)
Genant2@... wrote:
My question is regarding cosleeping. It has been something our small
> family has believed in, and so has felt very natural that we do it. WeMy sons are 12 and 9 and we still co sleep in our King size bed. We all are
> have one child, who feels secure and safe in the same room or bed
> sleeping with one or both parents, even though he knows we leave the
> room for a bit at times. How long has this desire for cosleeping
> continued in other families? I know it probably varies for every
> child, but I am curious....and admittedly selfishly looking towards
> more night-time freedom.<<<<<<<,
very comforted by co sleeping. It just feels like it is how it should be.
My boys do have their own room, with their toys etc. But for now they prefer
to sleep along side us. I am sure when they are ready they will want their
own beds but for now this is our family bed.
Pam G
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Ginger Sabo
If I need to have some space, I just take to the spare bed (or couch) for a few. I also take advantage of any time they are still sleeping and do just what I need to do for me. Sometimes that's a shower BY MYSELF or knitting or just sitting there enjoying the quiet. We co-sleep with a king next to a queen. For us, more room was the answer. We started out with just a king and then a twin and a king. As the boys grew, we just kept expanding the bed! It has worked well for us.
Hope this helps.
In Peace,
Ginger
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From: rebecca de <rebeccadehate@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:45:32 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Ok I haven't been at the computer in a while but below Genant2 wrote the she is admittedly selfishly looking for more nite time freedom.... Since the birth of my 8 month old who has co-slept with me since birth have begon 'unschooling' and opening up to a 'family bed' more or less. My 4 year old is back in bed with me when he wants to but my dilemma is the same... sometimes I just need some nite time freedom. For instance one night the two boys would not go to sleep and I was tired and grouchy to boot and I just kept wishing they would just go to sleep (but other nights i could care less!!) So how do I deal with needing time--- I've decided that I can grasp on to some freedoms or mommy time by 1) literally stepping out of the house by myself and go to yoga for a couple hours 2) take time in the morning when neither of them really 'need' me to badly --
However, I am also grasping for more ideas just to be comfortable with everything. Sometimes I just want my bed to myself and sometimes I take a couple hours to sleep by myself but as soon as baby needs me I bring back in -- plus I find I miss them when there not there..... GEEZ can I make up my mind --- see that is the whole point how can I find a happy medium where I feel like I have some hours to myself??? (I am a single parent so dropping on daddy's lap isn't an option.)
Genant2@aol. com wrote:
My question is regarding cosleeping. It has been something our small
very comforted by co sleeping. It just feels like it is how it should be.
My boys do have their own room, with their toys etc. But for now they prefer
to sleep along side us. I am sure when they are ready they will want their
own beds but for now this is our family bed.
Pam G
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Hope this helps.
In Peace,
Ginger
Kai(7) and Kade(5)
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From: rebecca de <rebeccadehate@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:45:32 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Ok I haven't been at the computer in a while but below Genant2 wrote the she is admittedly selfishly looking for more nite time freedom.... Since the birth of my 8 month old who has co-slept with me since birth have begon 'unschooling' and opening up to a 'family bed' more or less. My 4 year old is back in bed with me when he wants to but my dilemma is the same... sometimes I just need some nite time freedom. For instance one night the two boys would not go to sleep and I was tired and grouchy to boot and I just kept wishing they would just go to sleep (but other nights i could care less!!) So how do I deal with needing time--- I've decided that I can grasp on to some freedoms or mommy time by 1) literally stepping out of the house by myself and go to yoga for a couple hours 2) take time in the morning when neither of them really 'need' me to badly --
However, I am also grasping for more ideas just to be comfortable with everything. Sometimes I just want my bed to myself and sometimes I take a couple hours to sleep by myself but as soon as baby needs me I bring back in -- plus I find I miss them when there not there..... GEEZ can I make up my mind --- see that is the whole point how can I find a happy medium where I feel like I have some hours to myself??? (I am a single parent so dropping on daddy's lap isn't an option.)
Genant2@aol. com wrote:
My question is regarding cosleeping. It has been something our small
> family has believed in, and so has felt very natural that we do it. WeMy sons are 12 and 9 and we still co sleep in our King size bed. We all are
> have one child, who feels secure and safe in the same room or bed
> sleeping with one or both parents, even though he knows we leave the
> room for a bit at times. How long has this desire for cosleeping
> continued in other families? I know it probably varies for every
> child, but I am curious....and admittedly selfishly looking towards
> more night-time freedom.<<<< <<<,
very comforted by co sleeping. It just feels like it is how it should be.
My boys do have their own room, with their toys etc. But for now they prefer
to sleep along side us. I am sure when they are ready they will want their
own beds but for now this is our family bed.
Pam G
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Ren Allen
~~Secondly its important to remember our culture sees sleeping
arrangements as sexual. Where as in most cultures outside western
civilization they see it as a social thing.~~
Good point.
I remember sitting on the stairs as a child, crying because I wanted
to sleep with my parents but not allowed to. We were hardly allowed
into their room because it was "adult space". I can't imagine NOT
responding to my child's need for being close to me at night. My
daughter is 9 and still sleeps in my room.
Ren
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arrangements as sexual. Where as in most cultures outside western
civilization they see it as a social thing.~~
Good point.
I remember sitting on the stairs as a child, crying because I wanted
to sleep with my parents but not allowed to. We were hardly allowed
into their room because it was "adult space". I can't imagine NOT
responding to my child's need for being close to me at night. My
daughter is 9 and still sleeps in my room.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Vickisue Gray
Wow, I sat on the stairs and cried, too!
I remember being terified of going upstairs alone.
My dad would get so angry if he caught me, I
would cower in the shadow as low as I dare go
so as not to be seen. I had forgotten about that
till I read your post!
Guess that's why I've never been able to 'force'
my kids to sleep alone. I'm only packing one queen
air mattress for my spouse, son and I to share
on our trip. I know that my son will want to be close
in a strange place.
Vicki
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From: Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:15:03 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
~~Secondly its important to remember our culture sees sleeping
arrangements as sexual. Where as in most cultures outside western
civilization they see it as a social thing.~~
Good point.
I remember sitting on the stairs as a child, crying because I wanted
to sleep with my parents but not allowed to. We were hardly allowed
into their room because it was "adult space". I can't imagine NOT
responding to my child's need for being close to me at night. My
daughter is 9 and still sleeps in my room.
Ren
learninginfreedom. com
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I remember being terified of going upstairs alone.
My dad would get so angry if he caught me, I
would cower in the shadow as low as I dare go
so as not to be seen. I had forgotten about that
till I read your post!
Guess that's why I've never been able to 'force'
my kids to sleep alone. I'm only packing one queen
air mattress for my spouse, son and I to share
on our trip. I know that my son will want to be close
in a strange place.
Vicki
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From: Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:15:03 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
~~Secondly its important to remember our culture sees sleeping
arrangements as sexual. Where as in most cultures outside western
civilization they see it as a social thing.~~
Good point.
I remember sitting on the stairs as a child, crying because I wanted
to sleep with my parents but not allowed to. We were hardly allowed
into their room because it was "adult space". I can't imagine NOT
responding to my child's need for being close to me at night. My
daughter is 9 and still sleeps in my room.
Ren
learninginfreedom. com
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Schafer Vanessa
Our daughter was co-sleeping with us up until around
half way through her second grade year- I think. She
started to develop, so we decided she needed her own
space. We have worked out little signals, so that she
knows we are still there, and she can come in our room
anytime she wants--the door is always open. She is
till pretty much a momma's girl, and I will do what
she needs to make herself feel comfortable. I guess
we just got to the point, where we didn't care what
other people thought. I guess you just have to do
what you feel is right.
---Vanessa
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half way through her second grade year- I think. She
started to develop, so we decided she needed her own
space. We have worked out little signals, so that she
knows we are still there, and she can come in our room
anytime she wants--the door is always open. She is
till pretty much a momma's girl, and I will do what
she needs to make herself feel comfortable. I guess
we just got to the point, where we didn't care what
other people thought. I guess you just have to do
what you feel is right.
---Vanessa
--- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
> ~~Secondly its important to remember our culture____________________________________________________________________________________
> sees sleeping
> arrangements as sexual. Where as in most cultures
> outside western
> civilization they see it as a social thing.~~
>
> Good point.
> I remember sitting on the stairs as a child, crying
> because I wanted
> to sleep with my parents but not allowed to. We were
> hardly allowed
> into their room because it was "adult space". I
> can't imagine NOT
> responding to my child's need for being close to me
> at night. My
> daughter is 9 and still sleeps in my room.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
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Nicole Willoughby
Sigh ......my mother is convinced that my dh and I are having marital problems and that cps is going to end up getting called on us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will start working from home ..yea!
Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into societies square peg yet works well for our family.
Nicole
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Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will start working from home ..yea!
Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into societies square peg yet works well for our family.
Nicole
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Vickisue Gray
No problem.
Rant away.
Keeps me feeling normal.
<smile>
Vicki
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From: Nicole Willoughby <cncnawilloughby@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:36:18 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
Sigh ......my mother is convinced that my dh and I are having marital problems and that cps is going to end up getting called on us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will start working from home ..yea!
Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into societies square peg yet works well for our family.
Nicole
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Rant away.
Keeps me feeling normal.
<smile>
Vicki
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From: Nicole Willoughby <cncnawilloughby@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:36:18 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
Sigh ......my mother is convinced that my dh and I are having marital problems and that cps is going to end up getting called on us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will start working from home ..yea!
Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into societies square peg yet works well for our family.
Nicole
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Why do you tell your mother about your sleeping arrangements?
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Nicole Willoughby <cncnawilloughby@...>
>
>
>Sigh ......my mother is convinced that my dh and I are having marital problems and that cps is going to end up getting called on us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
>
>Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will start working from home ..yea!
>
>Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into societies square peg yet works well for our family.
>
>Nicole
>
>
Mindy Evans
Hee,hee, I second that!
--- In [email protected], Vickisue Gray
<vickisue_gray@...> wrote:
us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and
snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with
him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will
start working from home ..yea!
societies square peg yet works well for our family.
_______________
--- In [email protected], Vickisue Gray
<vickisue_gray@...> wrote:
>marital problems and that cps is going to end up getting called on
> No problem.
>
> Rant away.
>
> Keeps me feeling normal.
>
> <smile>
> Vicki
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Nicole Willoughby <cncnawilloughby@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:36:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
>
> Sigh ......my mother is convinced that my dh and I are having
us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
>drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off
> Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin
working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and
snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with
him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will
start working from home ..yea!
>are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into
> Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl
societies square peg yet works well for our family.
>email and get things done faster.
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Heather
Speaking for me, I don't! She comes to see us several times a year
and see's them for herself... (she lives in Belgium and we live in
Idaho). Believe me, I'd never volunteer any more information on
personal stuff like that than I had to...
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wrote:
us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and
snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with
him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will
start working from home ..yea!
societies square peg yet works well for our family.
and see's them for herself... (she lives in Belgium and we live in
Idaho). Believe me, I'd never volunteer any more information on
personal stuff like that than I had to...
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wrote:
>marital problems and that cps is going to end up getting called on
> Why do you tell your mother about your sleeping arrangements?
>
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Nicole Willoughby <cncnawilloughby@...>
> >
> >
> >Sigh ......my mother is convinced that my dh and I are having
us because my 7 year old still sleeps with daddy sometimes.
> >drop. As far as my 7 year old sleeping with dh.... he has been off
> >Truth is ...I snore loudly lol...and dh will wake up to a pin
working from 8 am to 8 pm most nights lately. Crawling into bed and
snuggling him and falling asleep is the only time she gets with
him....can you blame her? ...luckily at the end of next week he will
start working from home ..yea!
> >are "worried" about me when Im doing something that dosent fit into
> >Sorry bout the mini vent. I just get so tired of being told ppl
societies square peg yet works well for our family.
> >
> >Nicole
> >
> >
>
Nicole Willoughby
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> My aunt thinks we're sabotaging our marriage and won't ever haveHas
> time for intimacy (as adults, we've figured this one out too!).
> anyone else had this in their marriage? We seem to be doing fine,If it makes you feel better, I have 4 children all under age 11 and
> but they've made me feel like I'm making all the wrong choices and
> will pay for it later in irreversible consequences.
>
we co-sleept with all of them and are currently co-sleeping with the
3yr old and the 17 month old. My husband and I will celebrate our
14th wedding anniversary March of next year. We have a very strong
marriage and commentment to each other and and we belive better than
most. This has not harmed our marriage in the slighest.
My mother was against co-sleeping, extended breastfeedings
etc....Recently after watching my kids she has addmited she is
wrong...
Don't ever doubt yourself or your let others make you feel bad for
your choises, as a parent you know whats best for your family.
Ok....I'll go back to lurkdom now, LOL.......Hope everyone has a
wonderful day! :-)
Johanna
Dear List,
I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country), that states that
co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
Thank you in advance!
Greetings from Germany
Johanna
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I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country), that states that
co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
Thank you in advance!
Greetings from Germany
Johanna
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Schuyler
Meredith Small has a book that talks about co-sleeping. Our Babies Our
Selves. If you do a search for Meredith Small and co-sleeping you should be
able to find stuff. Helen Ball at the University of Durham has stuff on
co-sleeping, I don't know if it's cross-cultural or not
(http://www.dur.ac.uk/sleep.lab/publications/). James McKenna, at the
University of Notre Dame, has a sleep lab and has done a lot of work on
co-sleeping, some of his papers may talk about co-sleeping cross-culturally.
Here's an article that sites some of Mckenna's work
http://www.asklenore.info/parenting/sleep/cosleeping.html .
Actually, there was an interesting show on television last night were some
folk from Papua New Guinea went to the UK for a visit and were disturbed by
a 9 year old boy sleeping on his own. They said you'd be sleeping with your
mother still. I really liked that.
Kathryn Dettwyler, who has published alot about breastfeeding, has some
stuff on co-sleeping. Again, a search for Dettwyler and co-sleeping should
provide something. Putting her name in a search came up with this blog post:
http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/the-cosiness-of-cosleeping
which covers quite a bit about the recent change from co-sleeping to
separate beds.
Try doing a search for co-sleeping and anthropology.
Hope something in that helps.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
Selves. If you do a search for Meredith Small and co-sleeping you should be
able to find stuff. Helen Ball at the University of Durham has stuff on
co-sleeping, I don't know if it's cross-cultural or not
(http://www.dur.ac.uk/sleep.lab/publications/). James McKenna, at the
University of Notre Dame, has a sleep lab and has done a lot of work on
co-sleeping, some of his papers may talk about co-sleeping cross-culturally.
Here's an article that sites some of Mckenna's work
http://www.asklenore.info/parenting/sleep/cosleeping.html .
Actually, there was an interesting show on television last night were some
folk from Papua New Guinea went to the UK for a visit and were disturbed by
a 9 year old boy sleeping on his own. They said you'd be sleeping with your
mother still. I really liked that.
Kathryn Dettwyler, who has published alot about breastfeeding, has some
stuff on co-sleeping. Again, a search for Dettwyler and co-sleeping should
provide something. Putting her name in a search came up with this blog post:
http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/the-cosiness-of-cosleeping
which covers quite a bit about the recent change from co-sleeping to
separate beds.
Try doing a search for co-sleeping and anthropology.
Hope something in that helps.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johanna" <dialog@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
> Dear List,
>
> I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
> have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
> that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
> our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
> somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
> but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
> culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country), that states that
> co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Greetings from Germany
> Johanna
>
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Three in a Bed by Debrah Jackson has all you could ever need or want. She has researched it from our cultures and from other cultures. Very interesting stuff. Amazon has a used one for $2.00. Can't beat that.
In Peace,
Ginger
Kai(8) and Kade(5)
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----- Original Message ----
From: Johanna <dialog@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:43:08 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Dear List,
I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country) , that states that
co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
Thank you in advance!
Greetings from Germany
Johanna
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----- Original Message ----
From: Johanna <dialog@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:43:08 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Dear List,
I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country) , that states that
co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
Thank you in advance!
Greetings from Germany
Johanna
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David Johnson
I wonder if Mothering magazine would have such an article in their
archives? I think HYPERLINK
"http://www.mothering.com/"www.mothering.com should do it. You could
also join their online boards by clicking on �discuss� at mothering.com
and either search there or post this question.
I haven�t read it yet but I wonder what Jean Liefloff�s book �The
Continuum Concept� holds?
Best wishes!
~Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Schuyler
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Meredith Small has a book that talks about co-sleeping. Our Babies Our
Selves. If you do a search for Meredith Small and co-sleeping you should
be
able to find stuff. Helen Ball at the University of Durham has stuff on
co-sleeping, I don't know if it's cross-cultural or not
(HYPERLINK
"http://www.dur.ac.uk/sleep.lab/publications/"http://www.dur.-ac.uk/slee
p.-lab/publications-/). James McKenna, at the
University of Notre Dame, has a sleep lab and has done a lot of work on
co-sleeping, some of his papers may talk about co-sleeping
cross-culturally.
Here's an article that sites some of Mckenna's work
HYPERLINK
"http://www.asklenore.info/parenting/sleep/cosleeping.html"http://www.as
klenor-e.info/parenting-/sleep/cosleepin-g.html .
Actually, there was an interesting show on television last night were
some
folk from Papua New Guinea went to the UK for a visit and were disturbed
by
a 9 year old boy sleeping on his own. They said you'd be sleeping with
your
mother still. I really liked that.
Kathryn Dettwyler, who has published alot about breastfeeding, has some
stuff on co-sleeping. Again, a search for Dettwyler and co-sleeping
should
provide something. Putting her name in a search came up with this blog
post:
HYPERLINK
"http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/the-cosiness-of-cosleep
ing"http://editor.-nourishedmagazin-e.com.au/-articles/-the-cosiness--of
-cosleeping
which covers quite a bit about the recent change from co-sleeping to
separate beds.
Try doing a search for co-sleeping and anthropology.
Hope something in that helps.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.-blogspot.-com
archives? I think HYPERLINK
"http://www.mothering.com/"www.mothering.com should do it. You could
also join their online boards by clicking on �discuss� at mothering.com
and either search there or post this question.
I haven�t read it yet but I wonder what Jean Liefloff�s book �The
Continuum Concept� holds?
Best wishes!
~Melissa
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Schuyler
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Meredith Small has a book that talks about co-sleeping. Our Babies Our
Selves. If you do a search for Meredith Small and co-sleeping you should
be
able to find stuff. Helen Ball at the University of Durham has stuff on
co-sleeping, I don't know if it's cross-cultural or not
(HYPERLINK
"http://www.dur.ac.uk/sleep.lab/publications/"http://www.dur.-ac.uk/slee
p.-lab/publications-/). James McKenna, at the
University of Notre Dame, has a sleep lab and has done a lot of work on
co-sleeping, some of his papers may talk about co-sleeping
cross-culturally.
Here's an article that sites some of Mckenna's work
HYPERLINK
"http://www.asklenore.info/parenting/sleep/cosleeping.html"http://www.as
klenor-e.info/parenting-/sleep/cosleepin-g.html .
Actually, there was an interesting show on television last night were
some
folk from Papua New Guinea went to the UK for a visit and were disturbed
by
a 9 year old boy sleeping on his own. They said you'd be sleeping with
your
mother still. I really liked that.
Kathryn Dettwyler, who has published alot about breastfeeding, has some
stuff on co-sleeping. Again, a search for Dettwyler and co-sleeping
should
provide something. Putting her name in a search came up with this blog
post:
HYPERLINK
"http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/the-cosiness-of-cosleep
ing"http://editor.-nourishedmagazin-e.com.au/-articles/-the-cosiness--of
-cosleeping
which covers quite a bit about the recent change from co-sleeping to
separate beds.
Try doing a search for co-sleeping and anthropology.
Hope something in that helps.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.-blogspot.-com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johanna" <HYPERLINK
"mailto:dialog%40unerzogen.de"[email protected]>
To: <HYPERLINK
"mailto:unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com"unschoolingbasics@-yahoogrou
ps.-com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
> Dear List,
>
> I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
> have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
> that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
> our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
> somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
> but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
> culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country)-, that states that
> co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Greetings from Germany
> Johanna
>
>
> --
> Unerzogen!
> E-Mail: HYPERLINK "mailto:dialog%40unerzogen.de"[email protected]
> Webseite: www.unerzogen.-de
> Wiki: wiki.unerzogen.-de/
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earthmomma31
--- In [email protected], Johanna <dialog@...> wrote:
Tine Thevenin author of The Family Bed has a good portion of her book
dedicated to co-sleeping bedsharing history. I was happy to read about
how most of the world embraces this practice. Except the industrial
nations. =(
Laura
earthmomma in Wisconsin
><<<<
> Dear List,I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping.
Tine Thevenin author of The Family Bed has a good portion of her book
dedicated to co-sleeping bedsharing history. I was happy to read about
how most of the world embraces this practice. Except the industrial
nations. =(
Laura
earthmomma in Wisconsin
Krisula Moyer
>>>Three in a Bed by Debrah Jackson has all you could ever need or want. Shehas researched it from our cultures and from other cultures. Very
interesting stuff. Amazon has a used one for $2.00. Can't beat that.<<<
(I'll just second this recomendation)
I was so lucky when my son was born. This was before we had the web and I
hadn't found LLL yet but I was breastfeeding and not getting enough sleep
because of getting up to go to the baby whenever he cried. My pediatrician
told me just to take the baby into the bed with us. He and his wife (who
was also his partner in the MD practice) had co slept with all their
children and told me that in the Philippines where they grew up that was
considered normal and expected. I owe him a great debt of thanks. The
insight that it might be perfectly normal in the context of another culture
gave me the courage to try many other "non conventional" practices since
then.
Krisula
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rebecca de
Just popping in a little late on this conversation. I have been basically co-sleeping with my two rugrats since I became single again and we all need and love it. My two boys are 1 and 4. We kind of have the same ritual every night --- we all crawl in to bed -- baby gets his bottle and slumps off to sleep or bounces on our heads for a while then settles down and the older one always watches a couple movies. This way I get my cuddle time with them yet I can fall asleep before his movies if I want to and I can know he is 'safe' . I don't know why co-sleeping has become so taboo in our cultural. at one time in our history most families only had one bed (and probably only one room) so everyone had to sleep together. I know that our cultural has grown be have almost become distant from our own family. I always try to just tell myself that if it feels right and comfortable for me and my children than it is right.
earthmomma31 <earthmomma@...> wrote: --- In [email protected], Johanna <dialog@...> wrote:
Tine Thevenin author of The Family Bed has a good portion of her book
dedicated to co-sleeping bedsharing history. I was happy to read about
how most of the world embraces this practice. Except the industrial
nations. =(
Laura
earthmomma in Wisconsin
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earthmomma31 <earthmomma@...> wrote: --- In [email protected], Johanna <dialog@...> wrote:
><<<<
> Dear List,I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping.
Tine Thevenin author of The Family Bed has a good portion of her book
dedicated to co-sleeping bedsharing history. I was happy to read about
how most of the world embraces this practice. Except the industrial
nations. =(
Laura
earthmomma in Wisconsin
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Ren Allen
~~I always try to just tell myself that if it feels
right and comfortable for me and my children than it is right.~~
It is SO healthy for children!!:) I think our society has a lot of
"disconnects" beyond the taboo of co-sleeping...but that's a whole
other topic.
We currently have a queen and double bed smooshed together and four of
us sleep in it. My 10 y.o. recently decided she needed to be in bed
with us....which I have to admit wasn't something I embraced initially
(I was finally stretching out more at night) but it makes them so
happy. Dh would love everyone in their own beds, but he is very sweet
about the co-sleeping arrangements.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
right and comfortable for me and my children than it is right.~~
It is SO healthy for children!!:) I think our society has a lot of
"disconnects" beyond the taboo of co-sleeping...but that's a whole
other topic.
We currently have a queen and double bed smooshed together and four of
us sleep in it. My 10 y.o. recently decided she needed to be in bed
with us....which I have to admit wasn't something I embraced initially
(I was finally stretching out more at night) but it makes them so
happy. Dh would love everyone in their own beds, but he is very sweet
about the co-sleeping arrangements.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Melissa
Thanks for posting this! Our ten yo is sleeping with us, and I must admit I was not happy.
She's nearly as big as I am (and dh is 6'2"), and she's like my hubby, temp is always high,
so I feel like I'm being baked in a toaster. Between her and the 18 mo, and the occasional
guest aged 3, 5, 7 and eight, it gets crowded! Fortunately the guests usually switch out.
LOL! They also tend to sleep with each other, from room to room, TV room and dining
room, so it's really quite bizarre.
And speaking of tired, Avari's needing snuggles for bedtime.
Melissa
She's nearly as big as I am (and dh is 6'2"), and she's like my hubby, temp is always high,
so I feel like I'm being baked in a toaster. Between her and the 18 mo, and the occasional
guest aged 3, 5, 7 and eight, it gets crowded! Fortunately the guests usually switch out.
LOL! They also tend to sleep with each other, from room to room, TV room and dining
room, so it's really quite bizarre.
And speaking of tired, Avari's needing snuggles for bedtime.
Melissa
--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
> We currently have a queen and double bed smooshed together and four of
> us sleep in it. My 10 y.o. recently decided she needed to be in bed
> with us....which I have to admit wasn't something I embraced initially
> (I was finally stretching out more at night) but it makes them so
> happy. Dh would love everyone in their own beds, but he is very sweet
> about the co-sleeping arrangements.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
Ginger Sabo
We have a king and a queen pushed together and share the "space" with our two. Now I would love it if one didn't need to touch me and the other need to see me as soon as his eyes open! But then...they wont do this forever and then I'll miss it terribly. Once they are ready to go, they do. Enjoy the snuggles while you can!
In Peace,
Ginger
Kai(8) and Kade(5)
LOVE has impact.
"It's not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept and celebrate those differences." - Audre Lorde
----- Original Message ----
From: Melissa <autismhelp@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:46:01 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
Thanks for posting this! Our ten yo is sleeping with us, and I must admit I was not happy.
She's nearly as big as I am (and dh is 6'2"), and she's like my hubby, temp is always high,
so I feel like I'm being baked in a toaster. Between her and the 18 mo, and the occasional
guest aged 3, 5, 7 and eight, it gets crowded! Fortunately the guests usually switch out.
LOL! They also tend to sleep with each other, from room to room, TV room and dining
room, so it's really quite bizarre.
And speaking of tired, Avari's needing snuggles for bedtime.
Melissa
In Peace,
Ginger
Kai(8) and Kade(5)
LOVE has impact.
"It's not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept and celebrate those differences." - Audre Lorde
----- Original Message ----
From: Melissa <autismhelp@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:46:01 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: co-sleeping
Thanks for posting this! Our ten yo is sleeping with us, and I must admit I was not happy.
She's nearly as big as I am (and dh is 6'2"), and she's like my hubby, temp is always high,
so I feel like I'm being baked in a toaster. Between her and the 18 mo, and the occasional
guest aged 3, 5, 7 and eight, it gets crowded! Fortunately the guests usually switch out.
LOL! They also tend to sleep with each other, from room to room, TV room and dining
room, so it's really quite bizarre.
And speaking of tired, Avari's needing snuggles for bedtime.
Melissa
--- In unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com, "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@ ...> wrote:
> We currently have a queen and double bed smooshed together and four of
> us sleep in it. My 10 y.o. recently decided she needed to be in bed
> with us....which I have to admit wasn't something I embraced initially
> (I was finally stretching out more at night) but it makes them so
> happy. Dh would love everyone in their own beds, but he is very sweet
> about the co-sleeping arrangements.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom. com
>
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WE solved our space problem by having two queen size beds next to each other for the 4 of us. Now I can have the space I need to sleep better and I have my two kiddos next to me ( which I love) and hubby is not sleeping in the couch or other room anymore ( which he does not mind)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Johanna
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] co-sleeping
Dear List,
I'm looking for cultural information about co-sleeping. Does anybody
have an idea of where I can find reliable information about cultures
that practice co-sleeping and/or about the history of co-sleeping in
our society. I just find "parenting" websites that just say
somewhere, for instance, that co-sleeping is normal in Japan or so,
but I'd like some more scientific source or a website about the
culture of *Japan* (or any other culture/country), that states that
co-sleeping is normal, you know what I mean? :-D
Thank you in advance!
Greetings from Germany
Johanna
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