I'm new here too!
ray
So, surfing the internet, I found a resource group, but at this
point, with my son only 10 months old and me (I hate to admit)
working full-time, I'm still gathering ideas.
Here's the question:
I come from a very hard-working family, definate "Protestant Work
Ethic" there. My mother is a work-a-holic. I find myself fighting
between ideals of freedom and natural living contrasted with 'must
work to make money' so-called 'traditional' values. Unschooling frees
kids (and their parents) from the constraints of the typical school
day - 'work for kids'. Much as it would be my hope that I'd raise my
child to be a musician or dancer or organic farmer, how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule? I believe that changing the
values we instill in our children changes the values of the society
as a whole, but before they get to be in charge, they have to deal
with my parents generation, and the traditionalists of my generation,
not to mention their peers who will be products of the No Child Left
Behind Act.
How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?
Thanks for your help! Its hard sometimes to be confident I've got the
right ideas, that I'm doing the right things, with such nagging
little questions looming in the distance.
Rachel
point, with my son only 10 months old and me (I hate to admit)
working full-time, I'm still gathering ideas.
Here's the question:
I come from a very hard-working family, definate "Protestant Work
Ethic" there. My mother is a work-a-holic. I find myself fighting
between ideals of freedom and natural living contrasted with 'must
work to make money' so-called 'traditional' values. Unschooling frees
kids (and their parents) from the constraints of the typical school
day - 'work for kids'. Much as it would be my hope that I'd raise my
child to be a musician or dancer or organic farmer, how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule? I believe that changing the
values we instill in our children changes the values of the society
as a whole, but before they get to be in charge, they have to deal
with my parents generation, and the traditionalists of my generation,
not to mention their peers who will be products of the No Child Left
Behind Act.
How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?
Thanks for your help! Its hard sometimes to be confident I've got the
right ideas, that I'm doing the right things, with such nagging
little questions looming in the distance.
Rachel
Pamela Sorooshian
On Nov 10, 2006, at 4:33 PM, ray wrote:
up with.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
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> Much as it would be my hope that I'd raise myIf you "prepare" him for that - then that's what he'll probably end
> child to be a musician or dancer or organic farmer, how do I prepare
> him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
> desk, working on someone else's schedule?
up with.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:33 PM, ray wrote:
isn't.
While most families won't have the ability to not have at least one
person doing some kind of work that brings in money, not all those
people working are at a desk, let alone "stuck". In fact most of the
people you meet during the day in the middle of the week are not even
at a desk! ;-)
And look at that phrase: "Work for a living". Wouldn't it be better
to "Live for a living"? I suspect you've got tunnel vision about
working since you've grown up with focus on making money so what you
do to get that money becomes a big gray dull box. In many ways it's
like school. When the focus is on getting a diploma, the path getting
there is tedious and dull and annoying. The goal is to do as little
as possible to get to the end.
If you've been so focused on the end goal of work as making money,
then work becomes something tedious and dull and to do as little of
as possible to get the paycheck. And then, rather than self-
fulfillment, people tend to focus on what they can buy with what
they've worked so hard to get. And ultimately it isn't all that
satisfying.
But if, like with unschooling, the focus shifts to finding what you
enjoy, finding what makes you bounce out of bed in the morning, then
the money will follow. And even if the money isn't corporate
executive huge, it will be a lot more fun working for it *and* it
will be easier to put up with less outside of work because the work
will be fulfilling.
Your homework for the weekend is to go out and visit people who are
working at nondesk jobs and ask about them :-) Look at all the people
working in museums, retail stores, restaurants, grocery stores,
stables, dog groomers, road crews, landscapers, electricians,
photographers, plumbers, auctioneers, sports directors, coaches,
personal trainers, florists, bakers, house painters, occupational
therapists, dental hygenists, animal control officers, hair
dressers ... And then there are part-time-at-desk jobs: reporters
(but maybe with laptops the desk may not figure all that often),
professors, wedding planners, ministers, field biologists ... But
even full-time-desk jobs are not all drone jobs: software engineers,
graphic designers, technical writers, computer technicians, video
game designers, president ...
And that's hardly even touching on the arts or entertainment which
make some people nervous as far as stability ;-)
Here's a link to Non-traditional Jobs for Women:
http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2002.htm
30 with a part time job as greeter at Wal-Mart. I just think
childhood should be about having fun and hang the future. ;-)
Joyce
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> how do I prepareI think that's your sticking point. You see that as reality when it
> him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
> desk, working on someone else's schedule?
isn't.
While most families won't have the ability to not have at least one
person doing some kind of work that brings in money, not all those
people working are at a desk, let alone "stuck". In fact most of the
people you meet during the day in the middle of the week are not even
at a desk! ;-)
And look at that phrase: "Work for a living". Wouldn't it be better
to "Live for a living"? I suspect you've got tunnel vision about
working since you've grown up with focus on making money so what you
do to get that money becomes a big gray dull box. In many ways it's
like school. When the focus is on getting a diploma, the path getting
there is tedious and dull and annoying. The goal is to do as little
as possible to get to the end.
If you've been so focused on the end goal of work as making money,
then work becomes something tedious and dull and to do as little of
as possible to get the paycheck. And then, rather than self-
fulfillment, people tend to focus on what they can buy with what
they've worked so hard to get. And ultimately it isn't all that
satisfying.
But if, like with unschooling, the focus shifts to finding what you
enjoy, finding what makes you bounce out of bed in the morning, then
the money will follow. And even if the money isn't corporate
executive huge, it will be a lot more fun working for it *and* it
will be easier to put up with less outside of work because the work
will be fulfilling.
Your homework for the weekend is to go out and visit people who are
working at nondesk jobs and ask about them :-) Look at all the people
working in museums, retail stores, restaurants, grocery stores,
stables, dog groomers, road crews, landscapers, electricians,
photographers, plumbers, auctioneers, sports directors, coaches,
personal trainers, florists, bakers, house painters, occupational
therapists, dental hygenists, animal control officers, hair
dressers ... And then there are part-time-at-desk jobs: reporters
(but maybe with laptops the desk may not figure all that often),
professors, wedding planners, ministers, field biologists ... But
even full-time-desk jobs are not all drone jobs: software engineers,
graphic designers, technical writers, computer technicians, video
game designers, president ...
And that's hardly even touching on the arts or entertainment which
make some people nervous as far as stability ;-)
Here's a link to Non-traditional Jobs for Women:
http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2002.htm
> How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to doOh, no, I expect my daughter will still be living at home when she's
> for the individual character" and how much is practical?
30 with a part time job as greeter at Wal-Mart. I just think
childhood should be about having fun and hang the future. ;-)
Joyce
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Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/10/06, ray <raychi822@...> wrote:
there is about an accountant or help desk operator if that is what
your child wants to do. What if he wants to grow up and be an office
worker? :-)
I believe that changing the
life surrounded by tons of people who are very traditional. He's
looked at oddly because he likes to work from home (so he can have the
freedom to go do things with his kids), has waist length hair, is a
flaming liberal, and comes up with solutions in some of the oddest
ways, *and* has never had a day's worth of college education but is in
a professional position surrounded by lots of, uhm, BS holders. :-)
able to sustain himself once he is an adult or does it mean that what
we are doing is recklessly leading our children down a road of
poverty? And the two aren't mutually exclusive. :) I've seen some
very creative money making careers that have been started by
unschoolers. If I didn't believe in what I was doing, I wouldn't do
it. I think it helps that I can see my co-parent who has essentially
unschooled himself over the past 25 years to get to doing something
that he LOVES! He's a computer programmer, network administrator and
engineer. His office has 3 computers and 8 monitors (they call it air
traffic control at work LOL!) where he is found holed up unless he
happens to be off fixing something. He hums while he works, comes
home mostly happy, proud of the work that he does, loves working with
all the newest and latest gadgets, gets all excited when he finds out
that he is going to get a new blade server, and is just a "big boy"
with an expensive "erector set." Other people may view his job as
being "chained to a desk" and "someone else's schedule." He doesn't
see it that way because he *wants* to be there and *loves* being
there. He isn't even daunted by deadlines because he sees them as
challenges "Can I make this computer program work in 5 days?"
Not all unschoolers are eclectic wild families. Not all unschoolers
are working to become eclectic wild families (although some of us are
LOL!) Not all unschooled children are going to grow up to become
eclectic wild individuals (although some may). The important thing is
helping our children lead *happy* and interesting lives. And what
your child finds interesting may look a whole lot like what you see as
"Protestant Work Ethic" :)
Michelle
> Much as it would be my hope that I'd raise myThere is nothing more grand about a musician or organic farmer than
> child to be a musician or dancer or organic farmer, how do I prepare
> him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
> desk, working on someone else's schedule?
there is about an accountant or help desk operator if that is what
your child wants to do. What if he wants to grow up and be an office
worker? :-)
I believe that changing the
> values we instill in our children changes the values of the societyOnly if they chose to. My co-parent is living a very untraditional
> as a whole, but before they get to be in charge, they have to deal
> with my parents generation, and the traditionalists of my generation,
> not to mention their peers who will be products of the No Child Left
> Behind Act.
life surrounded by tons of people who are very traditional. He's
looked at oddly because he likes to work from home (so he can have the
freedom to go do things with his kids), has waist length hair, is a
flaming liberal, and comes up with solutions in some of the oddest
ways, *and* has never had a day's worth of college education but is in
a professional position surrounded by lots of, uhm, BS holders. :-)
>What does practical mean? Does it mean that your child is going to be
> How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
> for the individual character" and how much is practical?
able to sustain himself once he is an adult or does it mean that what
we are doing is recklessly leading our children down a road of
poverty? And the two aren't mutually exclusive. :) I've seen some
very creative money making careers that have been started by
unschoolers. If I didn't believe in what I was doing, I wouldn't do
it. I think it helps that I can see my co-parent who has essentially
unschooled himself over the past 25 years to get to doing something
that he LOVES! He's a computer programmer, network administrator and
engineer. His office has 3 computers and 8 monitors (they call it air
traffic control at work LOL!) where he is found holed up unless he
happens to be off fixing something. He hums while he works, comes
home mostly happy, proud of the work that he does, loves working with
all the newest and latest gadgets, gets all excited when he finds out
that he is going to get a new blade server, and is just a "big boy"
with an expensive "erector set." Other people may view his job as
being "chained to a desk" and "someone else's schedule." He doesn't
see it that way because he *wants* to be there and *loves* being
there. He isn't even daunted by deadlines because he sees them as
challenges "Can I make this computer program work in 5 days?"
Not all unschoolers are eclectic wild families. Not all unschoolers
are working to become eclectic wild families (although some of us are
LOL!) Not all unschooled children are going to grow up to become
eclectic wild individuals (although some may). The important thing is
helping our children lead *happy* and interesting lives. And what
your child finds interesting may look a whole lot like what you see as
"Protestant Work Ethic" :)
Michelle
Deb Lewis
***how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule?***
Why does he need to be prepared for someone else's life?
He will meet all kinds of people and the ones who are "stuck" will seem like
sad, stuck people to him. The ones who are alive and vibrant and who know
they can do what they love will be the people who inspire him.
You can't prepare him for much, honestly. You don't know what he'll need in
thirty years. But if you help him live the kind of life he wants to today,
he'll be prepared to live the kind of life he wants in the future.
You can derail him though. You can make life seem like it sucks and he'd
better get used to it, and chances are then, his life will suck.
***How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?***
For me, faith doesn't enter into it at all.
When you think about how babies learn, they learn by doing. No one explains
to a little baby how to pay attention to, or look for momma. Babies
experience having their needs met and then naturally look to the one who has
met them before to meet them again. No one explains how to start talking.
Babies watch and listen to other people and experiment with making noise and
then with saying words until they're talking. No one explains to them how
to start walking. The become interested in standing and walking and we give
them lots of opportunities to do that.
You have been trained to think that learning itself is a thing that in not
natural to humans and must be put there by teachers. But humans naturally
learn and naturally want to do what other humans are doing. There's
evidence all around you in all the kids who aren't in preschool, who are
walking and talking and playing and dressing themselves and feeding
themselves. In the kids of people like me who aren't in school at all and
never have been, who are pursuing interests and experimenting with ideas
and in adults who are taking up new hobbies or traveling for fun, or making
art, even though they're no longer in school.
You don't have to have faith *at all.* You just have to think.
Deb Lewis
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule?***
Why does he need to be prepared for someone else's life?
He will meet all kinds of people and the ones who are "stuck" will seem like
sad, stuck people to him. The ones who are alive and vibrant and who know
they can do what they love will be the people who inspire him.
You can't prepare him for much, honestly. You don't know what he'll need in
thirty years. But if you help him live the kind of life he wants to today,
he'll be prepared to live the kind of life he wants in the future.
You can derail him though. You can make life seem like it sucks and he'd
better get used to it, and chances are then, his life will suck.
***How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?***
For me, faith doesn't enter into it at all.
When you think about how babies learn, they learn by doing. No one explains
to a little baby how to pay attention to, or look for momma. Babies
experience having their needs met and then naturally look to the one who has
met them before to meet them again. No one explains how to start talking.
Babies watch and listen to other people and experiment with making noise and
then with saying words until they're talking. No one explains to them how
to start walking. The become interested in standing and walking and we give
them lots of opportunities to do that.
You have been trained to think that learning itself is a thing that in not
natural to humans and must be put there by teachers. But humans naturally
learn and naturally want to do what other humans are doing. There's
evidence all around you in all the kids who aren't in preschool, who are
walking and talking and playing and dressing themselves and feeding
themselves. In the kids of people like me who aren't in school at all and
never have been, who are pursuing interests and experimenting with ideas
and in adults who are taking up new hobbies or traveling for fun, or making
art, even though they're no longer in school.
You don't have to have faith *at all.* You just have to think.
Deb Lewis
Ren Allen
~~Much as it would be my hope that I'd raise my
child to be a musician or dancer or organic farmer, how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule? ~~
Reality?
That's never been our reality. Ever. And dh and I weren't unschooled!!
Why would that need to be anyone's reality?
Why would you want to prepare YOUR child for someone elses reality anyway?
If he WANTS to work a 9-5 job behind a desk, unschooling won't make it
impossible for him to do that. Unschooling just makes it possible to
see that our reality is our CHOICE.
There are so many work options in the marketplace for all different
types of people. There's always the possibility of running your own
business and working from home. There's the possibility of NOT working
too. Life is all about choices. Life is short and ideally spent
focusing on things you love, not things you fear.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
child to be a musician or dancer or organic farmer, how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule? ~~
Reality?
That's never been our reality. Ever. And dh and I weren't unschooled!!
Why would that need to be anyone's reality?
Why would you want to prepare YOUR child for someone elses reality anyway?
If he WANTS to work a 9-5 job behind a desk, unschooling won't make it
impossible for him to do that. Unschooling just makes it possible to
see that our reality is our CHOICE.
There are so many work options in the marketplace for all different
types of people. There's always the possibility of running your own
business and working from home. There's the possibility of NOT working
too. Life is all about choices. Life is short and ideally spent
focusing on things you love, not things you fear.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ren Allen
~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?***
For me, faith doesn't enter into it at all.~~
I agree with Deb.
Faith is about believing in things without any proof...not something I
tend to practice in life.;)
I don't need to have "faith" because I've got four children that are
(almost)17, 13, 9 and 5 that are learning beautifully every day of
their lives and all but the 5 year old are reading, having never been
taught or given a single lesson.
I don't need faith, I KNOW unschooling works. I KNOW people can learn
whatever they need, whenever they need it. Trust and belief I have an
abundance of, but faith? Nah.
Dh and I have lived the life of our choosing (often with tough
financial impact) for a long time now. We've lived in nicer houses,
and really small, older houses. We've driven newer cars and really old
junkers. We've worked for ourselves and for others by choice.
We're living exactly where we want to, doing exactly the work we
choose and having lots of time for family connections. I KNOW life is
what you make it and I have no doubt my kids will do the same.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
for the individual character" and how much is practical?***
For me, faith doesn't enter into it at all.~~
I agree with Deb.
Faith is about believing in things without any proof...not something I
tend to practice in life.;)
I don't need to have "faith" because I've got four children that are
(almost)17, 13, 9 and 5 that are learning beautifully every day of
their lives and all but the 5 year old are reading, having never been
taught or given a single lesson.
I don't need faith, I KNOW unschooling works. I KNOW people can learn
whatever they need, whenever they need it. Trust and belief I have an
abundance of, but faith? Nah.
Dh and I have lived the life of our choosing (often with tough
financial impact) for a long time now. We've lived in nicer houses,
and really small, older houses. We've driven newer cars and really old
junkers. We've worked for ourselves and for others by choice.
We're living exactly where we want to, doing exactly the work we
choose and having lots of time for family connections. I KNOW life is
what you make it and I have no doubt my kids will do the same.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ren Allen
~~Not all unschoolers are eclectic wild families.~~
And all that depends on perspective!
My co-workers see us as exactly that. But in reality, dh is a realtor
(ooh, so avant garde;) and I work at the bloody mall! Not exactly
traipsing the world or saving tribal villages or something fascinating
like that.
But it's what we chose. It's what we want right now and that's really
the important thing.
Some of us seem pretty tame when you look at our work lives. :)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
And all that depends on perspective!
My co-workers see us as exactly that. But in reality, dh is a realtor
(ooh, so avant garde;) and I work at the bloody mall! Not exactly
traipsing the world or saving tribal villages or something fascinating
like that.
But it's what we chose. It's what we want right now and that's really
the important thing.
Some of us seem pretty tame when you look at our work lives. :)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
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-----Original Message-----
~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to
do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?***
-=-=-=--
Our society needs "worker bees"---those folks that sit behind desks and
stand in assembly lines and stock groceries.
I'm not rearing worker bees.
Schools produce actually many more worker bees than we need. You can
see it in their eyes. Children who have already given up on dreams, and
the only "Truth" they know is the life you're suggesting.
That is not my children's Truth. That's not their Reality---now or in
their futures.
Living a life of dull drudgery in order to prepare for a life of dull
drudgery will get you a life of dull drudgery. Worker bees.
We lead rich lives full of fun and spontaneity and interesting things
and people because those are the lives we hope our children will
pursue---those are the lives that they have NOW. I doubt they'll go
looking for dull desk jobs.
I tell them often that *THEY*---and only they---get to choose their
destinies.
Couple of queens?! <bwg>
Life's bigger than school would have you believe. Faith? Naw--just look
into their eyes.
~Kelly
"Childhood is NOT a Dress Rehearsal!"
________________________________________________________________________
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~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to
do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?***
-=-=-=--
Our society needs "worker bees"---those folks that sit behind desks and
stand in assembly lines and stock groceries.
I'm not rearing worker bees.
Schools produce actually many more worker bees than we need. You can
see it in their eyes. Children who have already given up on dreams, and
the only "Truth" they know is the life you're suggesting.
That is not my children's Truth. That's not their Reality---now or in
their futures.
Living a life of dull drudgery in order to prepare for a life of dull
drudgery will get you a life of dull drudgery. Worker bees.
We lead rich lives full of fun and spontaneity and interesting things
and people because those are the lives we hope our children will
pursue---those are the lives that they have NOW. I doubt they'll go
looking for dull desk jobs.
I tell them often that *THEY*---and only they---get to choose their
destinies.
Couple of queens?! <bwg>
Life's bigger than school would have you believe. Faith? Naw--just look
into their eyes.
~Kelly
"Childhood is NOT a Dress Rehearsal!"
________________________________________________________________________
Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and
security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from
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I like this! May I post it in my blog?
Vicki
----- Original Message ----
From: "kbcdlovejo@..." <kbcdlovejo@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: I'm new here too!
-----Original Message-----
~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to
do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?** *
-=-=-=--
Our society needs "worker bees"---those folks that sit behind desks and
stand in assembly lines and stock groceries.
I'm not rearing worker bees.
Schools produce actually many more worker bees than we need. You can
see it in their eyes. Children who have already given up on dreams, and
the only "Truth" they know is the life you're suggesting.
That is not my children's Truth. That's not their Reality---now or in
their futures.
Living a life of dull drudgery in order to prepare for a life of dull
drudgery will get you a life of dull drudgery. Worker bees.
We lead rich lives full of fun and spontaneity and interesting things
and people because those are the lives we hope our children will
pursue---those are the lives that they have NOW. I doubt they'll go
looking for dull desk jobs.
I tell them often that *THEY*---and only they---get to choose their
destinies.
Couple of queens?! <bwg>
Life's bigger than school would have you believe. Faith? Naw--just look
into their eyes.
~Kelly
"Childhood is NOT a Dress Rehearsal!"
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
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Vicki
----- Original Message ----
From: "kbcdlovejo@..." <kbcdlovejo@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: I'm new here too!
-----Original Message-----
~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to
do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?** *
-=-=-=--
Our society needs "worker bees"---those folks that sit behind desks and
stand in assembly lines and stock groceries.
I'm not rearing worker bees.
Schools produce actually many more worker bees than we need. You can
see it in their eyes. Children who have already given up on dreams, and
the only "Truth" they know is the life you're suggesting.
That is not my children's Truth. That's not their Reality---now or in
their futures.
Living a life of dull drudgery in order to prepare for a life of dull
drudgery will get you a life of dull drudgery. Worker bees.
We lead rich lives full of fun and spontaneity and interesting things
and people because those are the lives we hope our children will
pursue---those are the lives that they have NOW. I doubt they'll go
looking for dull desk jobs.
I tell them often that *THEY*---and only they---get to choose their
destinies.
Couple of queens?! <bwg>
Life's bigger than school would have you believe. Faith? Naw--just look
into their eyes.
~Kelly
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:54 AM, Joyce Fetteroll wrote:
interests them, what they are passionate about. This is, imo, the
best way to prepare for a career, too.
My mom loved children of all ages, but especially 3 and 4 year olds.
In case nobody has noticed, preschool (nursery school, in her time)
teachers often make no more than minimum wage - it is definitely a
VERY low-paying career. But she LOVED her career and she was
passionate about learning everything she could about child
development and learning in young children. That led her to
eventually earning a masters degree in early childhood education. She
got involved in many local organizations related to young children
and put in MANY hours over many many years helping parents of young
children. She tirelessly protested the "pushing-down" of curriculum
and too-early teaching of reading in kindergarten and younger. She
worked on campaigns to keep academics out of preschools.
She ended up running a laboratory preschool where people could learn
how to run a developmentally appropriate program which consisted
ENTIRELY of free play and which was not a daycare program (the
children were there for 2 1/2 hours, up to 3 times per week). She
created the program at a high school and she directed it for 30
years. High school kids and other adults from the community could
learn there.
And, by the way, she made enough money to be able to live well - well
enough to travel EVERY summer all over the world - not surprisingly,
her travels mostly involved visiting early childhood programs in
Norway, Germany, Spain, Australia and New Zealand, Austria,
Czechoslovakia, England, Ireland, Scotland. She'd also been to Hawaii
and Alaska. She'd taken a train across Canada. When she died, 3 years
ago, she'd recently returned from a trip to Italy where she'd spent
three weeks visiting Reggio schools.
So - my point is that following your passion EVEN into what are
usually low-paying jobs can lead to a wonderful life. Those who are
passionate about their work will naturally put the kind of energy
into it that allows them to be recognized and to make a good living.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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>> How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to doI put my faith in unschooling as the best way for a person to do what
>> for the individual character" and how much is practical?
interests them, what they are passionate about. This is, imo, the
best way to prepare for a career, too.
My mom loved children of all ages, but especially 3 and 4 year olds.
In case nobody has noticed, preschool (nursery school, in her time)
teachers often make no more than minimum wage - it is definitely a
VERY low-paying career. But she LOVED her career and she was
passionate about learning everything she could about child
development and learning in young children. That led her to
eventually earning a masters degree in early childhood education. She
got involved in many local organizations related to young children
and put in MANY hours over many many years helping parents of young
children. She tirelessly protested the "pushing-down" of curriculum
and too-early teaching of reading in kindergarten and younger. She
worked on campaigns to keep academics out of preschools.
She ended up running a laboratory preschool where people could learn
how to run a developmentally appropriate program which consisted
ENTIRELY of free play and which was not a daycare program (the
children were there for 2 1/2 hours, up to 3 times per week). She
created the program at a high school and she directed it for 30
years. High school kids and other adults from the community could
learn there.
And, by the way, she made enough money to be able to live well - well
enough to travel EVERY summer all over the world - not surprisingly,
her travels mostly involved visiting early childhood programs in
Norway, Germany, Spain, Australia and New Zealand, Austria,
Czechoslovakia, England, Ireland, Scotland. She'd also been to Hawaii
and Alaska. She'd taken a train across Canada. When she died, 3 years
ago, she'd recently returned from a trip to Italy where she'd spent
three weeks visiting Reggio schools.
So - my point is that following your passion EVEN into what are
usually low-paying jobs can lead to a wonderful life. Those who are
passionate about their work will naturally put the kind of energy
into it that allows them to be recognized and to make a good living.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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Linda Green
Pam, Your mother must have visited Montessori schools, and I am
curious what she thought of them, if you know. I think very highly of
Montessori (have AMI Montessori certification for ages 2 1/2 through
age 6 or so and "taught" 3 years). I see Montessori as self-education
with minimal adult interruption in a beautiful learning laboratory
carefully designed just for the little ones' exploration. My
experience is that kids like to do a lot more than "play" and that
includes doing "real stuff" by their own free choice. Any comments?
Linda
curious what she thought of them, if you know. I think very highly of
Montessori (have AMI Montessori certification for ages 2 1/2 through
age 6 or so and "taught" 3 years). I see Montessori as self-education
with minimal adult interruption in a beautiful learning laboratory
carefully designed just for the little ones' exploration. My
experience is that kids like to do a lot more than "play" and that
includes doing "real stuff" by their own free choice. Any comments?
Linda
On Nov 11, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
>
> On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:54 AM, Joyce Fetteroll wrote:
>
> >> How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
> >> for the individual character" and how much is practical?
>
> I put my faith in unschooling as the best way for a person to do what
> interests them, what they are passionate about. This is, imo, the
> best way to prepare for a career, too.
>
> My mom loved children of all ages, but especially 3 and 4 year olds.
> In case nobody has noticed, preschool (nursery school, in her time)
> teachers often make no more than minimum wage - it is definitely a
> VERY low-paying career. But she LOVED her career and she was
> passionate about learning everything she could about child
> development and learning in young children. That led her to
> eventually earning a masters degree in early childhood education. She
> got involved in many local organizations related to young children
> and put in MANY hours over many many years helping parents of young
> children. She tirelessly protested the "pushing-down" of curriculum
> and too-early teaching of reading in kindergarten and younger. She
> worked on campaigns to keep academics out of preschools.
>
> She ended up running a laboratory preschool where people could learn
> how to run a developmentally appropriate program which consisted
> ENTIRELY of free play and which was not a daycare program (the
> children were there for 2 1/2 hours, up to 3 times per week). She
> created the program at a high school and she directed it for 30
> years. High school kids and other adults from the community could
> learn there.
>
> And, by the way, she made enough money to be able to live well - well
> enough to travel EVERY summer all over the world - not surprisingly,
> her travels mostly involved visiting early childhood programs in
> Norway, Germany, Spain, Australia and New Zealand, Austria,
> Czechoslovakia, England, Ireland, Scotland. She'd also been to Hawaii
> and Alaska. She'd taken a train across Canada. When she died, 3 years
> ago, she'd recently returned from a trip to Italy where she'd spent
> three weeks visiting Reggio schools.
>
> So - my point is that following your passion EVEN into what are
> usually low-paying jobs can lead to a wonderful life. Those who are
> passionate about their work will naturally put the kind of energy
> into it that allows them to be recognized and to make a good living.
>
> -pam
>
> Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
> Live Love Learn
> UNSCHOOL!
> <http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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sure---you don't have to ask! <g>
~K
-----Original Message-----
From: vickisue_gray@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: I'm new here too!
I like this! May I post it in my blog?
Vicki
----- Original Message ----
From: "kbcdlovejo@..." <kbcdlovejo@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: I'm new here too!
-----Original Message-----
~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to
do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?** *
-=-=-=--
Our society needs "worker bees"---those folks that sit behind desks and
stand in assembly lines and stock groceries.
I'm not rearing worker bees.
Schools produce actually many more worker bees than we need. You can
see it in their eyes. Children who have already given up on dreams, and
the only "Truth" they know is the life you're suggesting.
That is not my children's Truth. That's not their Reality---now or in
their futures.
Living a life of dull drudgery in order to prepare for a life of dull
drudgery will get you a life of dull drudgery. Worker bees.
We lead rich lives full of fun and spontaneity and interesting things
and people because those are the lives we hope our children will
pursue---those are the lives that they have NOW. I doubt they'll go
looking for dull desk jobs.
I tell them often that *THEY*---and only they---get to choose their
destinies.
Couple of queens?! <bwg>
Life's bigger than school would have you believe. Faith? Naw--just look
into their eyes.
~Kelly
"Childhood is NOT a Dress Rehearsal!"
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
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-----Original Message-----
From: vickisue_gray@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: I'm new here too!
I like this! May I post it in my blog?
Vicki
----- Original Message ----
From: "kbcdlovejo@..." <kbcdlovejo@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: I'm new here too!
-----Original Message-----
~~**How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to
do
for the individual character" and how much is practical?** *
-=-=-=--
Our society needs "worker bees"---those folks that sit behind desks and
stand in assembly lines and stock groceries.
I'm not rearing worker bees.
Schools produce actually many more worker bees than we need. You can
see it in their eyes. Children who have already given up on dreams, and
the only "Truth" they know is the life you're suggesting.
That is not my children's Truth. That's not their Reality---now or in
their futures.
Living a life of dull drudgery in order to prepare for a life of dull
drudgery will get you a life of dull drudgery. Worker bees.
We lead rich lives full of fun and spontaneity and interesting things
and people because those are the lives we hope our children will
pursue---those are the lives that they have NOW. I doubt they'll go
looking for dull desk jobs.
I tell them often that *THEY*---and only they---get to choose their
destinies.
Couple of queens?! <bwg>
Life's bigger than school would have you believe. Faith? Naw--just look
into their eyes.
~Kelly
"Childhood is NOT a Dress Rehearsal!"
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and
security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from
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~~My mom loved children of all ages, but especially 3 and 4 year olds.
In case nobody has noticed, preschool (nursery school, in her time)
teachers often make no more than minimum wage - it is definitely a
VERY low-paying career. But she LOVED her career and she was
passionate about learning everything she could about child
development and learning in young children. That led her to
eventually earning a masters degree in early childhood education. ~~
This sounds very similar to my mother's work story.
She also started at a preschool that paid very little, but she LOVED
her job, LOVED the kids and put her heart and soul into it. I remember
helping her with lesson plans when I was a young teen, drawing up felt
figures for her storytelling and such.
She went back to school for her EC degree and eventually got into
library work. She was much loved in the community for her storytimes
and passion for children's lit.
It all started with a low paying job, that she would have stayed at
because she loved it.
And desk jobs aren't always for "worker bees" anyway. Lots and lots of
people ENJOY desk jobs. I worked a 9-5 kinda job at a desk right out
of high school, taking reservations for a big hotel chain. It wasn't
very much pay, but it was a great way to get out on my own and spread
my wings. I learned some useful stuff there.
The important thing isn't what kind of job you have, it's that you
feel empowered to choose your path at any time.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
In case nobody has noticed, preschool (nursery school, in her time)
teachers often make no more than minimum wage - it is definitely a
VERY low-paying career. But she LOVED her career and she was
passionate about learning everything she could about child
development and learning in young children. That led her to
eventually earning a masters degree in early childhood education. ~~
This sounds very similar to my mother's work story.
She also started at a preschool that paid very little, but she LOVED
her job, LOVED the kids and put her heart and soul into it. I remember
helping her with lesson plans when I was a young teen, drawing up felt
figures for her storytelling and such.
She went back to school for her EC degree and eventually got into
library work. She was much loved in the community for her storytimes
and passion for children's lit.
It all started with a low paying job, that she would have stayed at
because she loved it.
And desk jobs aren't always for "worker bees" anyway. Lots and lots of
people ENJOY desk jobs. I worked a 9-5 kinda job at a desk right out
of high school, taking reservations for a big hotel chain. It wasn't
very much pay, but it was a great way to get out on my own and spread
my wings. I learned some useful stuff there.
The important thing isn't what kind of job you have, it's that you
feel empowered to choose your path at any time.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Pamela Sorooshian
She was not a huge Montessori fan - in practice. She liked the ideas
of respecting children's time as significant and "real" and that
children learn best when choosing their own activities and
structuring their own time - but the schools themselves are too
strict about doing things "right." The equipment is overly
specialized and is supposed to be used in certain ways - the teachers
give "lessons" that are very structured - for everything from
handwashing to writing. There is also not much value given to pretend-
play and creativity - usually no paint, no dress-ups, no props for
general use for dramatic play. The classes are too large - too many
children per adult and "orderliness" is highly valued.
My mom's school was far more free - no kid ever had to do anything he/
she didn't choose to do - all their time was "free time." The job of
the adults was to make it possible for the kids to do what they
wanted to do, to help them when they needed help, and to provide an
environment that was filled with opportunities and experiences.
-pam
of respecting children's time as significant and "real" and that
children learn best when choosing their own activities and
structuring their own time - but the schools themselves are too
strict about doing things "right." The equipment is overly
specialized and is supposed to be used in certain ways - the teachers
give "lessons" that are very structured - for everything from
handwashing to writing. There is also not much value given to pretend-
play and creativity - usually no paint, no dress-ups, no props for
general use for dramatic play. The classes are too large - too many
children per adult and "orderliness" is highly valued.
My mom's school was far more free - no kid ever had to do anything he/
she didn't choose to do - all their time was "free time." The job of
the adults was to make it possible for the kids to do what they
wanted to do, to help them when they needed help, and to provide an
environment that was filled with opportunities and experiences.
-pam
On Nov 11, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Linda Green wrote:
> Pam, Your mother must have visited Montessori schools, and I am
> curious what she thought of them, if you know. I think very highly of
> Montessori (have AMI Montessori certification for ages 2 1/2 through
> age 6 or so and "taught" 3 years). I see Montessori as self-education
> with minimal adult interruption in a beautiful learning laboratory
> carefully designed just for the little ones' exploration. My
> experience is that kids like to do a lot more than "play" and that
> includes doing "real stuff" by their own free choice. Any comments?
> Linda
>
> On Nov 11, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:54 AM, Joyce Fetteroll wrote:
>>
>>>> How much faith do you put in unschooling as "the right thing to do
>>>> for the individual character" and how much is practical?
>>
>> I put my faith in unschooling as the best way for a person to do
>> what
>> interests them, what they are passionate about. This is, imo, the
>> best way to prepare for a career, too.
>>
>> My mom loved children of all ages, but especially 3 and 4 year olds.
>> In case nobody has noticed, preschool (nursery school, in her time)
>> teachers often make no more than minimum wage - it is definitely a
>> VERY low-paying career. But she LOVED her career and she was
>> passionate about learning everything she could about child
>> development and learning in young children. That led her to
>> eventually earning a masters degree in early childhood education.
>> She
>> got involved in many local organizations related to young children
>> and put in MANY hours over many many years helping parents of young
>> children. She tirelessly protested the "pushing-down" of curriculum
>> and too-early teaching of reading in kindergarten and younger. She
>> worked on campaigns to keep academics out of preschools.
>>
>> She ended up running a laboratory preschool where people could learn
>> how to run a developmentally appropriate program which consisted
>> ENTIRELY of free play and which was not a daycare program (the
>> children were there for 2 1/2 hours, up to 3 times per week). She
>> created the program at a high school and she directed it for 30
>> years. High school kids and other adults from the community could
>> learn there.
>>
>> And, by the way, she made enough money to be able to live well -
>> well
>> enough to travel EVERY summer all over the world - not surprisingly,
>> her travels mostly involved visiting early childhood programs in
>> Norway, Germany, Spain, Australia and New Zealand, Austria,
>> Czechoslovakia, England, Ireland, Scotland. She'd also been to
>> Hawaii
>> and Alaska. She'd taken a train across Canada. When she died, 3
>> years
>> ago, she'd recently returned from a trip to Italy where she'd spent
>> three weeks visiting Reggio schools.
>>
>> So - my point is that following your passion EVEN into what are
>> usually low-paying jobs can lead to a wonderful life. Those who are
>> passionate about their work will naturally put the kind of energy
>> into it that allows them to be recognized and to make a good living.
>>
>> -pam
>>
>> Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
>> Live Love Learn
>> UNSCHOOL!
>> <http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
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Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/11/06, Linda Green <lindamgreen@...> wrote:
children are divided into groups, allowed to only go to certain areas
(whether they have an interest in that area that day (or moment) or
not) and told exactly how to use the manipulatives. There was very
little leeway for exploration, experimentation and creativity. When
they had art they were shown how to make whatever it was they were
making. The creativity wasn't what was important but the tools and
process. :( I think that there are some wonderful manipulatives in
the Montessori classroom, but it is the way in which they are
presented and controlled that I had a problem with.
Michelle
> I see Montessori as self-educationI've had children in the Montessori system. What I found is that the
> with minimal adult interruption in a beautiful learning laboratory
> carefully designed just for the little ones' exploration. My
> experience is that kids like to do a lot more than "play" and that
> includes doing "real stuff" by their own free choice. Any comments?
children are divided into groups, allowed to only go to certain areas
(whether they have an interest in that area that day (or moment) or
not) and told exactly how to use the manipulatives. There was very
little leeway for exploration, experimentation and creativity. When
they had art they were shown how to make whatever it was they were
making. The creativity wasn't what was important but the tools and
process. :( I think that there are some wonderful manipulatives in
the Montessori classroom, but it is the way in which they are
presented and controlled that I had a problem with.
Michelle
[email protected]
<<I've had children in the Montessori system. What I found is that the
children are divided into groups, allowed to only go to certain areas
(whether they have an interest in that area that day (or moment) or
not) and told exactly how to use the manipulatives. There was very
little leeway for exploration, experimentation and creativity.>>
My oldest daughter went to a public Montessori School. At the time I wished they had split the children into groups, because there were 4 or 5 bullies in the class that dominated certain areas of the classroom. My daughter was mild mannered and shy and therefore avoided the rowdy kids and the bullies, and missed out on spending any time in certain areas of the classroom as a result. I felt this was not her choice, but rather forced on her by circumstances. But that is possibly due to the nature of schooling and not the Montessori method itself. I pulled her out of that school because of teacher retention problems, and she went to a traditional public school. She actually liked it better having her own desk and knowing that she had her own space. She felt safer there, it was less chaotic.
Kathryn
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From: "Michelle Leifur Reid" <pamperedmichelle@...>
children are divided into groups, allowed to only go to certain areas
(whether they have an interest in that area that day (or moment) or
not) and told exactly how to use the manipulatives. There was very
little leeway for exploration, experimentation and creativity.>>
My oldest daughter went to a public Montessori School. At the time I wished they had split the children into groups, because there were 4 or 5 bullies in the class that dominated certain areas of the classroom. My daughter was mild mannered and shy and therefore avoided the rowdy kids and the bullies, and missed out on spending any time in certain areas of the classroom as a result. I felt this was not her choice, but rather forced on her by circumstances. But that is possibly due to the nature of schooling and not the Montessori method itself. I pulled her out of that school because of teacher retention problems, and she went to a traditional public school. She actually liked it better having her own desk and knowing that she had her own space. She felt safer there, it was less chaotic.
Kathryn
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Michelle Leifur Reid" <pamperedmichelle@...>
On 11/11/06, Linda Green <lindamgreen@...> wrote:
> I see Montessori as self-education
> with minimal adult interruption in a beautiful learning laboratory
> carefully designed just for the little ones' exploration. My
> experience is that kids like to do a lot more than "play" and that
> includes doing "real stuff" by their own free choice. Any comments?
I've had children in the Montessori system. What I found is that the
children are divided into groups, allowed to only go to certain areas
(whether they have an interest in that area that day (or moment) or
not) and told exactly how to use the manipulatives. There was very
little leeway for exploration, experimentation and creativity. When
they had art they were shown how to make whatever it was they were
making. The creativity wasn't what was important but the tools and
process. :( I think that there are some wonderful manipulatives in
the Montessori classroom, but it is the way in which they are
presented and controlled that I had a problem with.
Michelle
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From: raychi822@...
how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule? I believe that changing the
values we instill in our children changes the values of the society
as a whole, but before they get to be in charge, they have to deal
with my parents generation, and the traditionalists of my generation,
not to mention their peers who will be products of the No Child Left
Behind Act.
-=-=-=-
Where in the WORLD are you getting these "facts?"
Is that *your* reality?
My children don't deal with your parents' generation---not in the way
you're suggesting. The older one works and plays with members of my
parents' generation and is treated as an equal. He has friends of all
ages because he seeks them out as mentors and friends.
If *you* see yourself as less-than, you will be treated as less-than.
Cameron is on equal footing.
As for the NCLBA children, I doubt they'll be a very big influence on
my children or their lives. NCLBA children won't think of themselves as
worthy of much of anything becasue that's how they've been treated.
They *may* feel "entitled" to services and such because that's how
they've grown up, but my children will be OK with going AFTER what they
want instead of expecting the lottery to come their way.
It's a different mindset. I'm not "preparing" my children for
adulthood. We're living life now. As we do, we're collecting the skills
we need now and fine-tuning them as we go. They'll *be* prepared as a
side effect because they're *living* it NOW.
~Kelly
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From: raychi822@...
how do I prepare
him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
desk, working on someone else's schedule? I believe that changing the
values we instill in our children changes the values of the society
as a whole, but before they get to be in charge, they have to deal
with my parents generation, and the traditionalists of my generation,
not to mention their peers who will be products of the No Child Left
Behind Act.
-=-=-=-
Where in the WORLD are you getting these "facts?"
Is that *your* reality?
My children don't deal with your parents' generation---not in the way
you're suggesting. The older one works and plays with members of my
parents' generation and is treated as an equal. He has friends of all
ages because he seeks them out as mentors and friends.
If *you* see yourself as less-than, you will be treated as less-than.
Cameron is on equal footing.
As for the NCLBA children, I doubt they'll be a very big influence on
my children or their lives. NCLBA children won't think of themselves as
worthy of much of anything becasue that's how they've been treated.
They *may* feel "entitled" to services and such because that's how
they've grown up, but my children will be OK with going AFTER what they
want instead of expecting the lottery to come their way.
It's a different mindset. I'm not "preparing" my children for
adulthood. We're living life now. As we do, we're collecting the skills
we need now and fine-tuning them as we go. They'll *be* prepared as a
side effect because they're *living* it NOW.
~Kelly
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Why do you want to prepare him for an 8-5 job? Who says he has to
do that in adulthood? Encourage him to think outside the box. Read
_Unjobbing_ by Michael Fogler and go to whywork.org for many
perspectives of thriving without the typical job.
Michele
-- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
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do that in adulthood? Encourage him to think outside the box. Read
_Unjobbing_ by Michael Fogler and go to whywork.org for many
perspectives of thriving without the typical job.
Michele
-- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
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> how do I prepare
> him for the reality of most people's working-life: 8 - 5 stuck at a
> desk, working on someone else's schedule? I believe that changing
> values we instill in our children changes the values of the societygeneration,
> as a whole, but before they get to be in charge, they have to deal
> with my parents generation, and the traditionalists of my
> not to mention their peers who will be products of the No ChildLeft
> Behind Act.way
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> Where in the WORLD are you getting these "facts?"
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> Is that *your* reality?
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> My children don't deal with your parents' generation---not in the
> you're suggesting. The older one works and plays with members ofmy
> parents' generation and is treated as an equal. He has friends ofall
> ages because he seeks them out as mentors and friends.than.
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> If *you* see yourself as less-than, you will be treated as less-
> Cameron is on equal footing.on
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> As for the NCLBA children, I doubt they'll be a very big influence
> my children or their lives. NCLBA children won't think ofthemselves as
> worthy of much of anything becasue that's how they've beentreated.
> They *may* feel "entitled" to services and such because that's howthey
> they've grown up, but my children will be OK with going AFTER what
> want instead of expecting the lottery to come their way.skills
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> It's a different mindset. I'm not "preparing" my children for
> adulthood. We're living life now. As we do, we're collecting the
> we need now and fine-tuning them as we go. They'll *be* preparedas a
> side effect because they're *living* it NOW._____________________________________________________________________
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> ~Kelly
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