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thisismaggiesemailaddress
Hi,
I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this and
maybe some advice.
Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our youngest,
age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock at the
door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour at this
point.
The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us he
received a call about a domestic disturbance.
To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
everything was ok he left.
Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this. He suggested we be on our guard.
We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been cheating
on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had to change
our phone number because of phone calls and even my internet address
because they would send e-mails there.
In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about the
noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loud
talking, etc that she hears over here.
My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by nature.
They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.
I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because have
just started unschooling in February this year. If the authorities do
get called on us will we be in trouble?
We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer I
have no evidence of what they've done and learned during this time.
(which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuff down
in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longer have
it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on the
computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be thankful
to anyone who replies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has a
good day.
Maggie
I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this and
maybe some advice.
Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our youngest,
age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock at the
door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour at this
point.
The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us he
received a call about a domestic disturbance.
To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
everything was ok he left.
Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this. He suggested we be on our guard.
We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been cheating
on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had to change
our phone number because of phone calls and even my internet address
because they would send e-mails there.
In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about the
noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loud
talking, etc that she hears over here.
My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by nature.
They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.
I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because have
just started unschooling in February this year. If the authorities do
get called on us will we be in trouble?
We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer I
have no evidence of what they've done and learned during this time.
(which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuff down
in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longer have
it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on the
computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be thankful
to anyone who replies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has a
good day.
Maggie
Joanne
Hi Maggie,
I am also in Florida and I think we're using the same 600 school as
you. (Is it AEI?) If it is, she has a form letter you can print out
with all the legal mumbo jumbo on it, like her DOE # and a bit about
the school. It may be all you need to satisfy someone's questioning.
My advice is to sound secure in what you're doing and remember,
unless they have a search warrant, they cannot come in your house.
Good luck!!
Joanne
the [email protected], "thisismaggiesemailaddress"
<thisismaggiesemailaddress@...> wrote:
I am also in Florida and I think we're using the same 600 school as
you. (Is it AEI?) If it is, she has a form letter you can print out
with all the legal mumbo jumbo on it, like her DOE # and a bit about
the school. It may be all you need to satisfy someone's questioning.
My advice is to sound secure in what you're doing and remember,
unless they have a search warrant, they cannot come in your house.
Good luck!!
Joanne
the [email protected], "thisismaggiesemailaddress"
<thisismaggiesemailaddress@...> wrote:
>and
> Hi,
> I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this
> maybe some advice.youngest,
>
> Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our
> age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock atthe
> door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour atthis
> point.he
>
> The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
> kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us
> received a call about a domestic disturbance.cheating
>
> To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
> officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
> sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
> everything was ok he left.
>
> Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
> incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
> children and family services will pay a visit after something like
> this. He suggested we be on our guard.
>
> We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
> What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
> receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been
> on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had tochange
> our phone number because of phone calls and even my internetaddress
> because they would send e-mails there.the
>
> In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about
> noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loudnature.
> talking, etc that she hears over here.
>
> My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by
> They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.have
> I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
> effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
> doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
>
> My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
> anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because
> just started unschooling in February this year. If the authoritiesdo
> get called on us will we be in trouble?I
>
> We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
> requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
> things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer
> have no evidence of what they've done and learned during thistime.
> (which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuffdown
> in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longerhave
> it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on thethankful
> computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
>
> I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be
> to anyone who replies.a
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has
> good day.
>
> Maggie
>
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Maggie,
Have you saved any of the harassing letters or email you received? You might want to compile a chronology of the harrassment and report it. Also, if the responding officer was required to complete a report after visiting your house, you may be able to get it. It would not have the reporting party's information, but the officer may have put down verbiage in there that would give you more information such as "responding to reports of a woman screaming" or "responding to reports of a child crying" at such and such an address. If he filed no report you are out of luck on that score, but you may be able to get information from the dispath center. They cannot tell you who the reporting party was, but they may give you the verbiage used by the caller, which could alert you as to where it came from, such as the neighbor. I worked as a police dispatcher and there was information we were allowed to give the public, such as time the call was placed, who the responding officer was, whether a
report was filed, time of dispatch and arrival, etc. Keep a record of this stuff, I would. But dont be too paranoid about the unschooling. You are doing nothing illegal.
Kathryn
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From: "thisismaggiesemailaddress" <thisismaggiesemailaddress@...>
Hi,
I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this and
maybe some advice.
Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our youngest,
age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock at the
door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour at this
point.
The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us he
received a call about a domestic disturbance.
To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
everything was ok he left.
Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this. He suggested we be on our guard.
We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been cheating
on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had to change
our phone number because of phone calls and even my internet address
because they would send e-mails there.
In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about the
noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loud
talking, etc that she hears over here.
My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by nature.
They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.
I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because have
just started unschooling in February this year. If the authorities do
get called on us will we be in trouble?
We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer I
have no evidence of what they've done and learned during this time.
(which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuff down
in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longer have
it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on the
computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be thankful
to anyone who replies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has a
good day.
Maggie
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Have you saved any of the harassing letters or email you received? You might want to compile a chronology of the harrassment and report it. Also, if the responding officer was required to complete a report after visiting your house, you may be able to get it. It would not have the reporting party's information, but the officer may have put down verbiage in there that would give you more information such as "responding to reports of a woman screaming" or "responding to reports of a child crying" at such and such an address. If he filed no report you are out of luck on that score, but you may be able to get information from the dispath center. They cannot tell you who the reporting party was, but they may give you the verbiage used by the caller, which could alert you as to where it came from, such as the neighbor. I worked as a police dispatcher and there was information we were allowed to give the public, such as time the call was placed, who the responding officer was, whether a
report was filed, time of dispatch and arrival, etc. Keep a record of this stuff, I would. But dont be too paranoid about the unschooling. You are doing nothing illegal.
Kathryn
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From: "thisismaggiesemailaddress" <thisismaggiesemailaddress@...>
Hi,
I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this and
maybe some advice.
Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our youngest,
age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock at the
door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour at this
point.
The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us he
received a call about a domestic disturbance.
To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
everything was ok he left.
Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this. He suggested we be on our guard.
We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been cheating
on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had to change
our phone number because of phone calls and even my internet address
because they would send e-mails there.
In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about the
noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loud
talking, etc that she hears over here.
My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by nature.
They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.
I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because have
just started unschooling in February this year. If the authorities do
get called on us will we be in trouble?
We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer I
have no evidence of what they've done and learned during this time.
(which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuff down
in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longer have
it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on the
computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be thankful
to anyone who replies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has a
good day.
Maggie
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Chris and Kelli Bailey
this is my first post :)
i think you did absolutely the right thing letting the
officer speak with both of you. he probably doesn't
feel there is any reason to follow-up.
it seems like a good idea to be cooperative with
officials. police warrants are only issued to search
your home for evidence of wrongdoing in a criminal
matter, so you are probably safe there.
however, if the police officer finds more reason to
believe your family should be investigated for any
supposed wrongdoing, and DHS becomes involved, then it
gets sticky. i would think the best course of action
would be full cooperation on your part. that is an
organization you do not want to provoke. in some
states they can get nasty and actually remove your
children temporarily from your care over the slightest
thing (such as lack of parental cooperation which may
seem "suspicious" to them), and then worry about the
"paperwork" later.
dh was a police officer for 10 years and saw many
different situations. he agrees the best course of
action is to document everything yourself and see an
attorney if the harassment continues.
does the nosy neighbor disapprove of homeschooling? if
so, maybe a friendly educational chat will soften her
attitude. :)
is it possible the person who accused your dh of
cheating made the call to the police to harass you
even further? knowing who made the complaint will help
decide your course of action.
i agree with the lister who said not to worry about
the homeschooling. try to relax. let them see your
confidence in the learning lifestyle you have chosen
for your family. unless your children are being abused
or neglected you have nothing to stress over.
my 2 cents,
kelli
(hope this makes you feel better and not worse--LOL)
Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
http://new.mail.yahoo.com
i think you did absolutely the right thing letting the
officer speak with both of you. he probably doesn't
feel there is any reason to follow-up.
it seems like a good idea to be cooperative with
officials. police warrants are only issued to search
your home for evidence of wrongdoing in a criminal
matter, so you are probably safe there.
however, if the police officer finds more reason to
believe your family should be investigated for any
supposed wrongdoing, and DHS becomes involved, then it
gets sticky. i would think the best course of action
would be full cooperation on your part. that is an
organization you do not want to provoke. in some
states they can get nasty and actually remove your
children temporarily from your care over the slightest
thing (such as lack of parental cooperation which may
seem "suspicious" to them), and then worry about the
"paperwork" later.
dh was a police officer for 10 years and saw many
different situations. he agrees the best course of
action is to document everything yourself and see an
attorney if the harassment continues.
does the nosy neighbor disapprove of homeschooling? if
so, maybe a friendly educational chat will soften her
attitude. :)
is it possible the person who accused your dh of
cheating made the call to the police to harass you
even further? knowing who made the complaint will help
decide your course of action.
i agree with the lister who said not to worry about
the homeschooling. try to relax. let them see your
confidence in the learning lifestyle you have chosen
for your family. unless your children are being abused
or neglected you have nothing to stress over.
my 2 cents,
kelli
(hope this makes you feel better and not worse--LOL)
> Maggie,____________________________________________________________________________________
> Have you saved any of the harassing letters or email
> you received? You might want to compile a chronology
> of the harrassment and report it.
Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
http://new.mail.yahoo.com
John Doo
I think you should file a police report. Reporting that your family has been harassed for over a year now: the mails, phone calls and emails as well as last nights police visit while your children were asleep. You should request an investigation and find out that who is behind all these and trying to hurt your family. The police should know who made that phone call last night.
In the mean time, please make every effort to keep your children safe. Looks like there maybe a very bitter person around you who doesnt like to see your children happy and your family prosper.
thisismaggiesemailaddress <thisismaggiesemailaddress@...> wrote:
Hi,
I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this and
maybe some advice.
Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our youngest,
age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock at the
door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour at this
point.
The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us he
received a call about a domestic disturbance.
To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
everything was ok he left.
Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this. He suggested we be on our guard.
We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been cheating
on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had to change
our phone number because of phone calls and even my internet address
because they would send e-mails there.
In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about the
noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loud
talking, etc that she hears over here.
My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by nature.
They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.
I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because have
just started unschooling in February this year. If the authorities do
get called on us will we be in trouble?
We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer I
have no evidence of what they've done and learned during this time.
(which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuff down
in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longer have
it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on the
computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be thankful
to anyone who replies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has a
good day.
Maggie
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In the mean time, please make every effort to keep your children safe. Looks like there maybe a very bitter person around you who doesnt like to see your children happy and your family prosper.
thisismaggiesemailaddress <thisismaggiesemailaddress@...> wrote:
Hi,
I was hoping someone could share with me their thoughts on this and
maybe some advice.
Last night after my family had all gone to bed and only our youngest,
age 17 months and I were awake, I was startled by a loud knock at the
door. My other 3 children had been sleeping for over an hour at this
point.
The knock woke my husband and he answered the door. I was in the
kitchen nursing the youngest. It was a police officer telling us he
received a call about a domestic disturbance.
To say we were surprised and shocked was a understatement. The
officer talked to my husband a bit and then asked to see me to be
sure everything was alright. After talking with me and seeing that
everything was ok he left.
Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about the
incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this. He suggested we be on our guard.
We are a good family with good kids and we can't understand this.
What makes this worse is the fact that for a year now I have been
receiving letters in the mail telling me my husband has been cheating
on me, etc. (He's not trust me, I even have proof.) We had to change
our phone number because of phone calls and even my internet address
because they would send e-mails there.
In addition to this my next door neighbor keeps complaining about the
noise level of our children. She complains about the yelling, loud
talking, etc that she hears over here.
My children, although basically good kids, are very rowdy by nature.
They play and talk very loudly and often yell during their games.
I've suggested to them to tone it down, but that hasn't had any
effect. ( They are 10 yr, 8 yr, 3 yr and 17 months old)The noise
doesn't bother my husband and I, but we don't want any troble.
My husband and I are now worried and concerned. We don't want
anything to happen to us or the children. We also worry because have
just started unschooling in February this year. If the authorities do
get called on us will we be in trouble?
We are unschooling under an umbrella school in Florida that only
requires attendance. Although my children are involved in a lot of
things, read frequently and do educational things on the computer I
have no evidence of what they've done and learned during this time.
(which is tons) Could that be used against us? I did write stuff down
in a notebook but it was accidentally destroyed so I no longer have
it. ( I have since learned to keep this kind of thing on the
computer) How will I explain what we did from Feb to Oct?
I'd appreciate any thoughts, advice or comments and will be thankful
to anyone who replies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope everyone has a
good day.
Maggie
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Deb Lewis
***warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this.***
After a false alarm?
Two summers ago I was surprised by a policeman coming in my back door. It
was a Saturday morning. David (dh) was at a garage sale, Dylan (ds) was
upstairs asleep, I was at the computer. The front door and back door were
open. A cop pulled up in front of my house (I didn't see him and if I
heard him I attributed it to neighbors or traffic noise.) He walked past my
open front door, around the side of my house, through my back gate and to my
back door. I got up to fill my coffee cup. Imagine my surprise to find a
big guy with a gun in my kitchen!
He said there'd been a report of gunshots.
I assured him no one was shooting. He said he needed to check the house and
I said "no you don't." He said it was procedure to check the house after a
call like that. I said, "no."
He left. Then all my neighbors wanted to know why there'd been a cop at my
house.<g>
Cops get calls that turn out to be nothing.
Deb Lewis
children and family services will pay a visit after something like
this.***
After a false alarm?
Two summers ago I was surprised by a policeman coming in my back door. It
was a Saturday morning. David (dh) was at a garage sale, Dylan (ds) was
upstairs asleep, I was at the computer. The front door and back door were
open. A cop pulled up in front of my house (I didn't see him and if I
heard him I attributed it to neighbors or traffic noise.) He walked past my
open front door, around the side of my house, through my back gate and to my
back door. I got up to fill my coffee cup. Imagine my surprise to find a
big guy with a gun in my kitchen!
He said there'd been a report of gunshots.
I assured him no one was shooting. He said he needed to check the house and
I said "no you don't." He said it was procedure to check the house after a
call like that. I said, "no."
He left. Then all my neighbors wanted to know why there'd been a cop at my
house.<g>
Cops get calls that turn out to be nothing.
Deb Lewis
Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/7/06, thisismaggiesemailaddress
<thisismaggiesemailaddress@...> wrote:
and goes out on quite a few domestic disturbance calls at all hours of
the night). He said that many times people will hear a scream or a
yell or a crash and attribute it to the wrong house. He said twice he
has been called out on a "domestic disturbance" that was just hot and
heavy (and very vocal) sex. He was concerned about your threatening
e-mails and phone calls and asked if you had filed a complaint about
those. He said it is very important to take those things seriously
because the police can do something about them, espcially if they are
escalating (and it seems that they are). With that kind of
information the police have the right to go back and see who placed
the call from last night to see if it was legitimate. They could find
that the person who placed the call did so from all the way across
town!
As far as unschooling in Florida, you are doing nothing illegal. You
should have something from your 600 school stating that you are
enrolled with them and you can always get something from them that you
are in "good standing."
Michelle
<thisismaggiesemailaddress@...> wrote:
> Today, my husband mentioned to me that a friend he told about theFor doing nothing wrong? I called my brother (who is a police officer
> incident warned him that even if their wasn't a problem that often
> children and family services will pay a visit after something like
> this. He suggested we be on our guard.
>
and goes out on quite a few domestic disturbance calls at all hours of
the night). He said that many times people will hear a scream or a
yell or a crash and attribute it to the wrong house. He said twice he
has been called out on a "domestic disturbance" that was just hot and
heavy (and very vocal) sex. He was concerned about your threatening
e-mails and phone calls and asked if you had filed a complaint about
those. He said it is very important to take those things seriously
because the police can do something about them, espcially if they are
escalating (and it seems that they are). With that kind of
information the police have the right to go back and see who placed
the call from last night to see if it was legitimate. They could find
that the person who placed the call did so from all the way across
town!
As far as unschooling in Florida, you are doing nothing illegal. You
should have something from your 600 school stating that you are
enrolled with them and you can always get something from them that you
are in "good standing."
Michelle
Ren Allen
"it seems like a good idea to be cooperative with
officials."
Cooperative is one thing, ignoring your basic rights as a US citizen
is another, and exactly what makes those organizations think they have
more power than they legally have!
You do NOT ever need to let anyone in your home without a search
warrant. Ever.
We had a school social worker come to our home because someone
reported our children weren't in school. I dealt with everything over
the phone, they never even came to my house after the initial visit
(we weren't home when they first came by).
I know someone that spoke with DHS on their porch and did not let them
in the home. That is FINE. There is no reason to live in fear of these
people, that's what gives them more "rights" than the common man.
Watch "V is for Vendetta" if you need a dose of confidence.
Seems everyone is living in fear of their government these days.
DOesn't take very many generations to forget our treasonous roots,
does it? ARgh.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
officials."
Cooperative is one thing, ignoring your basic rights as a US citizen
is another, and exactly what makes those organizations think they have
more power than they legally have!
You do NOT ever need to let anyone in your home without a search
warrant. Ever.
We had a school social worker come to our home because someone
reported our children weren't in school. I dealt with everything over
the phone, they never even came to my house after the initial visit
(we weren't home when they first came by).
I know someone that spoke with DHS on their porch and did not let them
in the home. That is FINE. There is no reason to live in fear of these
people, that's what gives them more "rights" than the common man.
Watch "V is for Vendetta" if you need a dose of confidence.
Seems everyone is living in fear of their government these days.
DOesn't take very many generations to forget our treasonous roots,
does it? ARgh.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Chris and Kelli Bailey
based on reading the past posts in this new group i
joined, i knew my response might provoke strong
feelings in one or two of the other listers. *grin*
which is exactly why i haven't posted before.
but i felt strongly enough about this to go ahead and
caution the original poster. basic rights are
generally a reality in this great country, but the
truth is that they become an "ideal" in certain
situations. i would never speak so strongly about
something of which i had no direct experience with.
although this is not something i agree with, it is
something which i know can be very real.
lack of cooperation with DHS can only harm the kids in
the long run. i am talking using poorly thought out
language or even losing your temper. inflaming a DHS
official can result in loss of the kids, even
temporarily. no one likes the thought of their kids
spending even one night in a foster home (if there is
one available...otherwise they could end up in a
halfway house or in a public building).
i do not mean to suggest that anyone let anyone come
into their home! my suggestion is to use caution and
common sense when dealing with DHS, for unfortunately
they do have the power to make your life very
inconvenient. in some places, they don't need any kind
of paperwork to remove your children from your home on
the spot. they only need "reasonable cause" to
question the safety of the children. my husband has
done it before.
based on the original info i would guess it won't come
to this, as there seems to be no wrongdoing on the
part of the original poster. i definitely don't mean
to make anyone feel fearful of their local government,
or anything ridiculous like that. i was only intending
to communicate the wisdom of cooperation (within
reason).
:) kelli
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joined, i knew my response might provoke strong
feelings in one or two of the other listers. *grin*
which is exactly why i haven't posted before.
but i felt strongly enough about this to go ahead and
caution the original poster. basic rights are
generally a reality in this great country, but the
truth is that they become an "ideal" in certain
situations. i would never speak so strongly about
something of which i had no direct experience with.
although this is not something i agree with, it is
something which i know can be very real.
lack of cooperation with DHS can only harm the kids in
the long run. i am talking using poorly thought out
language or even losing your temper. inflaming a DHS
official can result in loss of the kids, even
temporarily. no one likes the thought of their kids
spending even one night in a foster home (if there is
one available...otherwise they could end up in a
halfway house or in a public building).
i do not mean to suggest that anyone let anyone come
into their home! my suggestion is to use caution and
common sense when dealing with DHS, for unfortunately
they do have the power to make your life very
inconvenient. in some places, they don't need any kind
of paperwork to remove your children from your home on
the spot. they only need "reasonable cause" to
question the safety of the children. my husband has
done it before.
based on the original info i would guess it won't come
to this, as there seems to be no wrongdoing on the
part of the original poster. i definitely don't mean
to make anyone feel fearful of their local government,
or anything ridiculous like that. i was only intending
to communicate the wisdom of cooperation (within
reason).
:) kelli
--- Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
> "it seems like a good idea to be cooperative with____________________________________________________________________________________
> officials."
>
> Cooperative is one thing, ignoring your basic rights
> as a US citizen
> is another, and exactly what makes those
> organizations think they have
> more power than they legally have!
> You do NOT ever need to let anyone in your home
> without a search
> warrant. Ever.
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On 11/8/06, Chris and Kelli Bailey <cdbailey_99@...> wrote:
service initials here) wants you to think. They like that fear, but
unless they have just reason they have NO reason to enter your home
without a warrant and a warrant must be presented not by the DHS agent
but by a law enforcement officer. Most DHS agents are very familiar
with homeschoolers. They get calls often about "kids not in school"
and they usually ask first if the children are homeschooled. If the
caller doesn't the agent will check into it. Noisy, rowdy, active,
homeschooled children are not enough for a judge to issue a warrant.
There needs to be evidence of *neglect* or *abuse* not just kids being
kids. The courts are already backed up with domestic abuse cases,
neglect cases and true truancy that they aren't going to go looking
for more trouble.
This is why it is important for the OP to have a police file
documenting all the e-mails and phone calls and the action that they
have had to take from this obvious stalker. This will be the first
place that DHS looks. What do we have on record about these people?
"Oh, look, these people are obviously being harassed by someone. Now
I see where this is coming from."
There is no reason to get violent and aggressive about your rights.
Just firm and redundant. Repeat the law ad naseum if you must. "I
know you have recieved a complaint but unless you have a warrant I do
not have to let you into my home. I will be happy to answer any of
your questions either via phone or here on my front porch."
Michelle - who has been sick since Sunday and whose house proves it
(how much laundry can one family make in four days?) and wouldn't want
DHS in her home either today LOL!
> lack of cooperation with DHS can only harm the kids inThis is scare tactic that DHS/HRS/(Insert your local children's
> the long run. i am talking using poorly thought out
> language or even losing your temper. inflaming a DHS
> official can result in loss of the kids, even
> temporarily.
service initials here) wants you to think. They like that fear, but
unless they have just reason they have NO reason to enter your home
without a warrant and a warrant must be presented not by the DHS agent
but by a law enforcement officer. Most DHS agents are very familiar
with homeschoolers. They get calls often about "kids not in school"
and they usually ask first if the children are homeschooled. If the
caller doesn't the agent will check into it. Noisy, rowdy, active,
homeschooled children are not enough for a judge to issue a warrant.
There needs to be evidence of *neglect* or *abuse* not just kids being
kids. The courts are already backed up with domestic abuse cases,
neglect cases and true truancy that they aren't going to go looking
for more trouble.
This is why it is important for the OP to have a police file
documenting all the e-mails and phone calls and the action that they
have had to take from this obvious stalker. This will be the first
place that DHS looks. What do we have on record about these people?
"Oh, look, these people are obviously being harassed by someone. Now
I see where this is coming from."
There is no reason to get violent and aggressive about your rights.
Just firm and redundant. Repeat the law ad naseum if you must. "I
know you have recieved a complaint but unless you have a warrant I do
not have to let you into my home. I will be happy to answer any of
your questions either via phone or here on my front porch."
Michelle - who has been sick since Sunday and whose house proves it
(how much laundry can one family make in four days?) and wouldn't want
DHS in her home either today LOL!
Kelly Weyd
I used to do Foster Care, and most case workers will tell you that most cases are proven false. One case worker told that most of her referrals were feuding neighbors turning each other in, and divorced parents turning each in. And yes, it's obvious you have some extremely disturbed individual that is stalking you. Save everything, so you can start making your case to the police.
Kelly
Michelle Leifur Reid <pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
Kelly
Michelle Leifur Reid <pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
On 11/8/06, Chris and Kelli Bailey <cdbailey_99@...> wrote:
> lack of cooperation with DHS can only harm the kids in
> the long run. i am talking using poorly thought out
> language or even losing your temper. inflaming a DHS
> official can result in loss of the kids, even
> temporarily.
This is scare tactic that DHS/HRS/(Insert your local children's
service initials here) wants you to think. They like that fear, but
unless they have just reason they have NO reason to enter your home
without a warrant and a warrant must be presented not by the DHS agent
but by a law enforcement officer. Most DHS agents are very familiar
with homeschoolers. They get calls often about "kids not in school"
and they usually ask first if the children are homeschooled. If the
caller doesn't the agent will check into it. Noisy, rowdy, active,
homeschooled children are not enough for a judge to issue a warrant.
There needs to be evidence of *neglect* or *abuse* not just kids being
kids. The courts are already backed up with domestic abuse cases,
neglect cases and true truancy that they aren't going to go looking
for more trouble.
This is why it is important for the OP to have a police file
documenting all the e-mails and phone calls and the action that they
have had to take from this obvious stalker. This will be the first
place that DHS looks. What do we have on record about these people?
"Oh, look, these people are obviously being harassed by someone. Now
I see where this is coming from."
There is no reason to get violent and aggressive about your rights.
Just firm and redundant. Repeat the law ad naseum if you must. "I
know you have recieved a complaint but unless you have a warrant I do
not have to let you into my home. I will be happy to answer any of
your questions either via phone or here on my front porch."
Michelle - who has been sick since Sunday and whose house proves it
(how much laundry can one family make in four days?) and wouldn't want
DHS in her home either today LOL!
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