Re: [unschoolingbasics] impossible not to use coercive methods?
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/17/2006 8:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
So she asks sarcastically,
would I let my son "burn", until he "learns", what would the
unschooling parent do? and it's kind of mean to say, well then burn
from the sun, you'll see, isn't it?<<<<<<
Oh, Oh I can answer this one. There IS a solution if you are willing to
work it out. My boys HATE sun screen and hats. LOL So we have been there,
done that. These are some of the things we have done/do. Bring the X box to
the beach with us and play that until it is later in the day when the sun is
not so hot. We have bought those swimming shirts, very light, long sleeves
that the boys wear when the sun is hot. Sometimes they will agree to sunscreen
on some areas, like legs or arms. We have also tried different sun screens.
There are a couple of zinc products that my boys like more than the
traditional sunscreen, it has no odor really. Finding a shady place to play.
Sometimes they will agree to getting up early to play before it gets peak sun time,
then we come in for lunch and more inside play before we head back out in
the late afternoon. Oh and our favorite time on the beach is midnight. No one
else is out there, we all have headlights and it is soooo much fun to build
a sand castle in the dark. Although we don't swim on the beach at night we
can go back to the pool if we want to swim.
OK I guess those are a few of the solutions that have worked in our family.
The key for us is to WORK out a solution that is agreeable to everyone. And
believing that there is one is so important, otherwise I think when you
can't reach a solution with a couple of tries you fall back to coercion. Also
kids are so great at coming up with the most creative solutions, ask them.
One thing I have used with friends before, who just don't get consensual
living or unschooling is "I am so glad you are interested in this, I can give
you a book list if you like. I really enjoy our time together, want another
cup of tea or some *bean dip*."
Pam G
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[email protected] writes:
So she asks sarcastically,
would I let my son "burn", until he "learns", what would the
unschooling parent do? and it's kind of mean to say, well then burn
from the sun, you'll see, isn't it?<<<<<<
Oh, Oh I can answer this one. There IS a solution if you are willing to
work it out. My boys HATE sun screen and hats. LOL So we have been there,
done that. These are some of the things we have done/do. Bring the X box to
the beach with us and play that until it is later in the day when the sun is
not so hot. We have bought those swimming shirts, very light, long sleeves
that the boys wear when the sun is hot. Sometimes they will agree to sunscreen
on some areas, like legs or arms. We have also tried different sun screens.
There are a couple of zinc products that my boys like more than the
traditional sunscreen, it has no odor really. Finding a shady place to play.
Sometimes they will agree to getting up early to play before it gets peak sun time,
then we come in for lunch and more inside play before we head back out in
the late afternoon. Oh and our favorite time on the beach is midnight. No one
else is out there, we all have headlights and it is soooo much fun to build
a sand castle in the dark. Although we don't swim on the beach at night we
can go back to the pool if we want to swim.
OK I guess those are a few of the solutions that have worked in our family.
The key for us is to WORK out a solution that is agreeable to everyone. And
believing that there is one is so important, otherwise I think when you
can't reach a solution with a couple of tries you fall back to coercion. Also
kids are so great at coming up with the most creative solutions, ask them.
One thing I have used with friends before, who just don't get consensual
living or unschooling is "I am so glad you are interested in this, I can give
you a book list if you like. I really enjoy our time together, want another
cup of tea or some *bean dip*."
Pam G
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Angela S.
There is so much fear around being out in the sun without sun block. But
the reality of it is that it is only the people who get burned badly who
need to worry about skin cancer. Growing up we didn�t have sun block. (It
might have been out there, but we didn�t have it) We are an olive skinned
family that doesn�t burn easily but for many people, burning isn�t an issue
if you are frequently outside because you gradually tan as the season
progresses and then by the time the hot July sun is beating down burning
isn�t as much of an issue.
But that aside, I�ve seen so many people who fight with their kids over
things that don�t have to be a fight if they are creative enough. That and
I don�t think that most people give their kids enough credit for
understanding them.
Angela S.
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the reality of it is that it is only the people who get burned badly who
need to worry about skin cancer. Growing up we didn�t have sun block. (It
might have been out there, but we didn�t have it) We are an olive skinned
family that doesn�t burn easily but for many people, burning isn�t an issue
if you are frequently outside because you gradually tan as the season
progresses and then by the time the hot July sun is beating down burning
isn�t as much of an issue.
But that aside, I�ve seen so many people who fight with their kids over
things that don�t have to be a fight if they are creative enough. That and
I don�t think that most people give their kids enough credit for
understanding them.
Angela S.
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Michelle Leifur Reid
On 9/19/06, Angela S. <game-enthusiast@...> wrote:
background (she's 1/2) and always "tanned" nicely and never burned.
She's had many bouts with skin cancer. My father is of the
dark-skinned Icelandic people and said that he can only remember once
in his life when he had a sun burn and that was only right after he
had a large tattoo across his chest (long funny family story) and he
too has had several spots of skin cancer removed (though his tattoo is
still intact). I've even known people of African and Central American
decent, who have naturally dark skin and burn less easily who have
dealt with skin cancer. Somehow I got all the Scottish genes when it
came to skin coloring and burn extremely easily 2/3 of my children do
as well. It's an issue that is close to my heart :) While I have
never hog tied one of my children down and forced them to wear
sunscreen, we do try to be careful when we go out in the sun and have
used creative ways to try to protect the tender skin of my children
and myself.
Says a slightly crispy Michelle who slathered her children last week
at the beach, but forgot to do herself.
> There is so much fear around being out in the sun without sun block. ButI don't believe that is a true fact. My grandmother is of Cherokee
> the reality of it is that it is only the people who get burned badly who
> need to worry about skin cancer.
background (she's 1/2) and always "tanned" nicely and never burned.
She's had many bouts with skin cancer. My father is of the
dark-skinned Icelandic people and said that he can only remember once
in his life when he had a sun burn and that was only right after he
had a large tattoo across his chest (long funny family story) and he
too has had several spots of skin cancer removed (though his tattoo is
still intact). I've even known people of African and Central American
decent, who have naturally dark skin and burn less easily who have
dealt with skin cancer. Somehow I got all the Scottish genes when it
came to skin coloring and burn extremely easily 2/3 of my children do
as well. It's an issue that is close to my heart :) While I have
never hog tied one of my children down and forced them to wear
sunscreen, we do try to be careful when we go out in the sun and have
used creative ways to try to protect the tender skin of my children
and myself.
Says a slightly crispy Michelle who slathered her children last week
at the beach, but forgot to do herself.