Vanessa

Hi,

Earlier in a post I made probably earlier this week, I talked about
how we experimented with a penny to see what would make it
look "new" again, some of you might have had questions on whether
that was schooling my kids or not.

Just to clarify this a little, my kids love to learn through
experimentation. They would rather see how something works, than
read about it on the computer. Remember, my son came to me, and
asked me if I new how to clean a penny. Unschooling is learning
through life experiences, and to us this was one. Everyone is
entitled to their own opinions, and thoughts, but who am I to tell
my son to go look it up on the computer, instead of brainstorming
with him. We learned how to "clean" the penny together. I have
gotten some really good ideas on how to clean one, and once I have
the stuff, I think we will try those too. So thanks for all the
extra information.

I am not angry at anyone, I just wanted to explain why we chose to
experiment, instead of read about it. Experimenting was more fun,
and they could see the results.

Have a gread weekend.

----Vanessa

Ren Allen

"Everyone is
entitled to their own opinions, and thoughts, but who am I to tell
my son to go look it up on the computer, instead of brainstorming
with him. "

I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to go look it up, nor
did I see anyone suggesting that experimentation is not a valid and
useful tool. In fact, if you had posted about telling your son to "go
look it up" you would have heard a lot of suggestions to NOT do that.

Am I missing something here? Yes, you will also hear a lot of
opinions about how turning something into a "lesson" or "learning
moment" is not a good idea...but mucking about with something just for
the fun of it isn't exactly doing that. Hopefully, people will use a
variety of resources for information depending on what is useful for
the moment. Looking something up on the computer can aid and assist
experimentation...it doesn't need to be one or the other.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

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>>I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to go look it up, nor did I see anyone suggesting that experimentation is not a valid and useful tool. In fact, if you had posted about telling your son to "go look it up" you would have heard a lot of suggestions to NOT do that.

Am I missing something here? >>

Actually someone did post a question about whether it's unschooling to have a child go through experiments when you could Google it easier.

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~Mary
http://zenmommasgarden.blogspot.com/

"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."
~Thich Nhat Hanh

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...>
> "Everyone is
> entitled to their own opinions, and thoughts, but who am I to tell
> my son to go look it up on the computer, instead of brainstorming
> with him. "
>
> I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to go look it up, nor
> did I see anyone suggesting that experimentation is not a valid and
> useful tool. In fact, if you had posted about telling your son to "go
> look it up" you would have heard a lot of suggestions to NOT do that.
>
> Am I missing something here? Yes, you will also hear a lot of
> opinions about how turning something into a "lesson" or "learning
> moment" is not a good idea...but mucking about with something just for
> the fun of it isn't exactly doing that. Hopefully, people will use a
> variety of resources for information depending on what is useful for
> the moment. Looking something up on the computer can aid and assist
> experimentation...it doesn't need to be one or the other.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
>
>
>

Schafer Vanessa

the advice was for different things to try to clean a
penny, which I am going to try, once we have the money
to get some more stuff. I am not angry at anyone. I
am new to this, and the part I was talking about was
the questioning about why I didn't have my son look it
up on google, to make it easier. I am truely sorry if
anyone took it as an angry remark. It was not meant
to be that way. I just saw experimenting (and so did
my kids) as a fun way to figure it out. I would
rather learn right along side of my kids, than to tell
them to figure it out themselves. I do value other
people experiences with unschooling, and am learning
as I go. If I offended anyone, I am sorry.

--- zenmomma@... wrote:

> >>I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to
> go look it up, nor did I see anyone suggesting that
> experimentation is not a valid and useful tool. In
> fact, if you had posted about telling your son to
> "go look it up" you would have heard a lot of
> suggestions to NOT do that.
>
> Am I missing something here? >>
>
> Actually someone did post a question about whether
> it's unschooling to have a child go through
> experiments when you could Google it easier.
>
> --
> ~Mary
> http://zenmommasgarden.blogspot.com/
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is
> to walk on the
> green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment
> and feeling truly
> alive."
> ~Thich Nhat Hanh
>
> -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...>
> > "Everyone is
> > entitled to their own opinions, and thoughts, but
> who am I to tell
> > my son to go look it up on the computer, instead
> of brainstorming
> > with him. "
> >
> > I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to
> go look it up, nor
> > did I see anyone suggesting that experimentation
> is not a valid and
> > useful tool. In fact, if you had posted about
> telling your son to "go
> > look it up" you would have heard a lot of
> suggestions to NOT do that.
> >
> > Am I missing something here? Yes, you will also
> hear a lot of
> > opinions about how turning something into a
> "lesson" or "learning
> > moment" is not a good idea...but mucking about
> with something just for
> > the fun of it isn't exactly doing that. Hopefully,
> people will use a
> > variety of resources for information depending on
> what is useful for
> > the moment. Looking something up on the computer
> can aid and assist
> > experimentation...it doesn't need to be one or the
> other.
> >
> > Ren
> > learninginfreedom.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


Vanessa


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>>the part I was talking about was
the questioning about why I didn't have my son look it
up on google, to make it easier. I am truely sorry if
anyone took it as an angry remark.>>

No, no, no. I knew what you were trying to clarify, I was just trying to explain it to Ren. I don't think anyone is taking offense at anything here. We're just trying to get a clear idea of how unschooling works best and flows.

I think your penny experiments sounded fun. If you had a kid who asked you to google it, I'm sure you would have gone that route and had fun with it as well.
--
~Mary
http://zenmommasgarden.blogspot.com/

"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."
~Thich Nhat Hanh

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Schafer Vanessa <psychomom95@...>
> the advice was for different things to try to clean a
> penny, which I am going to try, once we have the money
> to get some more stuff. I am not angry at anyone. I
> am new to this, and the part I was talking about was
> the questioning about why I didn't have my son look it
> up on google, to make it easier. I am truely sorry if
> anyone took it as an angry remark. It was not meant
> to be that way. I just saw experimenting (and so did
> my kids) as a fun way to figure it out. I would
> rather learn right along side of my kids, than to tell
> them to figure it out themselves. I do value other
> people experiences with unschooling, and am learning
> as I go. If I offended anyone, I am sorry.
>
> --- zenmomma@... wrote:
>
> > >>I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to
> > go look it up, nor did I see anyone suggesting that
> > experimentation is not a valid and useful tool. In
> > fact, if you had posted about telling your son to
> > "go look it up" you would have heard a lot of
> > suggestions to NOT do that.
> >
> > Am I missing something here? >>
> >
> > Actually someone did post a question about whether
> > it's unschooling to have a child go through
> > experiments when you could Google it easier.
> >
> > --
> > ~Mary
> > http://zenmommasgarden.blogspot.com/
> >
> > "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is
> > to walk on the
> > green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment
> > and feeling truly
> > alive."
> > ~Thich Nhat Hanh
> >
> > -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...>
> > > "Everyone is
> > > entitled to their own opinions, and thoughts, but
> > who am I to tell
> > > my son to go look it up on the computer, instead
> > of brainstorming
> > > with him. "
> > >
> > > I saw no advice telling you to ask your child to
> > go look it up, nor
> > > did I see anyone suggesting that experimentation
> > is not a valid and
> > > useful tool. In fact, if you had posted about
> > telling your son to "go
> > > look it up" you would have heard a lot of
> > suggestions to NOT do that.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something here? Yes, you will also
> > hear a lot of
> > > opinions about how turning something into a
> > "lesson" or "learning
> > > moment" is not a good idea...but mucking about
> > with something just for
> > > the fun of it isn't exactly doing that. Hopefully,
> > people will use a
> > > variety of resources for information depending on
> > what is useful for
> > > the moment. Looking something up on the computer
> > can aid and assist
> > > experimentation...it doesn't need to be one or the
> > other.
> > >
> > > Ren
> > > learninginfreedom.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Vanessa
>
>
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Schafer Vanessa

Mary,

Sorry, you're email came first in my box before Ren's.
I was just trying to clarify.

--- zenmomma@... wrote:

>
> >>the part I was talking about was
> the questioning about why I didn't have my son look
> it
> up on google, to make it easier. I am truely sorry
> if
> anyone took it as an angry remark.>>
>
> No, no, no. I knew what you were trying to clarify,
> I was just trying to explain it to Ren. I don't
> think anyone is taking offense at anything here.
> We're just trying to get a clear idea of how
> unschooling works best and flows.
>
> I think your penny experiments sounded fun. If you
> had a kid who asked you to google it, I'm sure you
> would have gone that route and had fun with it as
> well.
> --
> ~Mary
> http://zenmommasgarden.blogspot.com/
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is
> to walk on the
> green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment
> and feeling truly
> alive."
> ~Thich Nhat Hanh
>
> -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: Schafer Vanessa <psychomom95@...>
> > the advice was for different things to try to
> clean a
> > penny, which I am going to try, once we have the
> money
> > to get some more stuff. I am not angry at anyone.
> I
> > am new to this, and the part I was talking about
> was
> > the questioning about why I didn't have my son
> look it
> > up on google, to make it easier. I am truely
> sorry if
> > anyone took it as an angry remark. It was not
> meant
> > to be that way. I just saw experimenting (and so
> did
> > my kids) as a fun way to figure it out. I would
> > rather learn right along side of my kids, than to
> tell
> > them to figure it out themselves. I do value
> other
> > people experiences with unschooling, and am
> learning
> > as I go. If I offended anyone, I am sorry.
> >
> > --- zenmomma@... wrote:
> >
> > > >>I saw no advice telling you to ask your child
> to
> > > go look it up, nor did I see anyone suggesting
> that
> > > experimentation is not a valid and useful tool.
> In
> > > fact, if you had posted about telling your son
> to
> > > "go look it up" you would have heard a lot of
> > > suggestions to NOT do that.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something here? >>
> > >
> > > Actually someone did post a question about
> whether
> > > it's unschooling to have a child go through
> > > experiments when you could Google it easier.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~Mary
> > > http://zenmommasgarden.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > "The miracle is not to walk on water. The
> miracle is
> > > to walk on the
> > > green earth, dwelling deeply in the present
> moment
> > > and feeling truly
> > > alive."
> > > ~Thich Nhat
> Hanh
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message
> > > ----------------------
> > > From: "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...>
> > > > "Everyone is
> > > > entitled to their own opinions, and thoughts,
> but
> > > who am I to tell
> > > > my son to go look it up on the computer,
> instead
> > > of brainstorming
> > > > with him. "
> > > >
> > > > I saw no advice telling you to ask your child
> to
> > > go look it up, nor
> > > > did I see anyone suggesting that
> experimentation
> > > is not a valid and
> > > > useful tool. In fact, if you had posted about
> > > telling your son to "go
> > > > look it up" you would have heard a lot of
> > > suggestions to NOT do that.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something here? Yes, you will
> also
> > > hear a lot of
> > > > opinions about how turning something into a
> > > "lesson" or "learning
> > > > moment" is not a good idea...but mucking about
> > > with something just for
> > > > the fun of it isn't exactly doing that.
> Hopefully,
> > > people will use a
> > > > variety of resources for information depending
> on
> > > what is useful for
> > > > the moment. Looking something up on the
> computer
> > > can aid and assist
> > > > experimentation...it doesn't need to be one or
> the
> > > other.
> > > >
> > > > Ren
> > > > learninginfreedom.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Vanessa
> >
> >
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