Re: [unschoolingbasics] Re: records- military
camden
****What about a military minded child? ****
We just went thru this. Our oldest (still at home) wants to go into the army. The recruiter said the Army's requirement is ....... a high school diploma. And yes, you the parent can issue the diploma. We asked him if ds would be better with a GED and they said no, a parent issued diploma along with a very basic transcript is perfectly fine. I don't know about the other branches but this is what the Army says.
Carol
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We just went thru this. Our oldest (still at home) wants to go into the army. The recruiter said the Army's requirement is ....... a high school diploma. And yes, you the parent can issue the diploma. We asked him if ds would be better with a GED and they said no, a parent issued diploma along with a very basic transcript is perfectly fine. I don't know about the other branches but this is what the Army says.
Carol
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Stacy
> ****What about a military minded child? ****My husband is an army recruiter so I had to run this by him real
quick. He says a person needs one of the following: a diploma,
certificate of completion, GED or 15 credit hours from a community
college. He's still new at recruiting so he's not exactly sure what is
acceptable and what's not, but he's going to ask his station commander
and get back to me. Personally, I have a hard time believing they'd
turn anyone away that scored well on the ASVAB just because they
didn't have one of the above. They seem to really be hurting for
recruits right now.
Stacy Murphy
Michelle/Melbrigða
On 8/25/06, camden <ccoutlaw@...> wrote:
issued diploma. They are more concerned with the other requirements
that they require of all their cadets than with a piece of paper.
Primarily foreign language study, community service, mathematics, etc.
This can all be easily documented it a child has that desire. And
there are cadets that are not your typical 18yo "kids." There are
people all through their 20's that have decided to enter the
academies, so if your child decides at 18 or 19 that they would want
to be an officer in the military and attend a military academy they
still have plenty of time to meet those requirements.
People get focused on the age of 18, like everything has to be
complete by that age. There are no deadlines in life when it comes to
learning. If a child has a goal, be it college, the military, owning
their own business, hiking through Europe I think it is our
responsiblity to help that child meet that goal. It is not our
responsibility to load our children up with everything "just in case"
they want to follow a certain career goal. That's what schools do.
They have 100's (sometimes 1,000's) of children with all varying goals
in mind so they have to teach everything to everyone so that each
child has access to everyting "just in case." That's not an
unschooling philosophy. With unschooling we help our children learn
their passions and help open doors for them that will get them to
their goals.
--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
[email protected] - Homeschooling for the Medieval Recreationist
> ****What about a military minded child? ****All the military academies accept homeschool "graduates" with a parent
>
> We just went thru this. Our oldest (still at home) wants to go into the army. The recruiter said the Army's requirement is ....... a high school diploma. And yes, you the parent can issue the diploma. We asked him if ds would be better with a GED and they said no, a parent issued diploma along with a very basic transcript is perfectly fine. I don't know about the other branches but this is what the Army says.
>
issued diploma. They are more concerned with the other requirements
that they require of all their cadets than with a piece of paper.
Primarily foreign language study, community service, mathematics, etc.
This can all be easily documented it a child has that desire. And
there are cadets that are not your typical 18yo "kids." There are
people all through their 20's that have decided to enter the
academies, so if your child decides at 18 or 19 that they would want
to be an officer in the military and attend a military academy they
still have plenty of time to meet those requirements.
People get focused on the age of 18, like everything has to be
complete by that age. There are no deadlines in life when it comes to
learning. If a child has a goal, be it college, the military, owning
their own business, hiking through Europe I think it is our
responsiblity to help that child meet that goal. It is not our
responsibility to load our children up with everything "just in case"
they want to follow a certain career goal. That's what schools do.
They have 100's (sometimes 1,000's) of children with all varying goals
in mind so they have to teach everything to everyone so that each
child has access to everyting "just in case." That's not an
unschooling philosophy. With unschooling we help our children learn
their passions and help open doors for them that will get them to
their goals.
--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
[email protected] - Homeschooling for the Medieval Recreationist
Deb
--- In [email protected], "Stacy" <smurphygt@...>
wrote:
enlisted. If I remember correctly from the last time I looked this
type stuff up, if you have a college degree, some college, or a high
school diploma you are enlisted slightly higher ranking than someone
with a GED (I don't know all the terminology but you'd be a recruit
class 1 instead of a recruit class 2 or whatever). They won't turn
you away but you might have to put in more time to get to the place
where someone with a diploma would start out.
wrote:
>One issue to consider, though, is what your status would be once you
> > ****What about a military minded child? ****
>
> My husband is an army recruiter so I had to run this by him real
> quick. He says a person needs one of the following: a diploma,
> certificate of completion, GED or 15 credit hours from a community
> college.
> Personally, I have a hard time believing they'd
> turn anyone away that scored well on the ASVAB just because they
> didn't have one of the above. They seem to really be hurting for
> recruits right now.
>
enlisted. If I remember correctly from the last time I looked this
type stuff up, if you have a college degree, some college, or a high
school diploma you are enlisted slightly higher ranking than someone
with a GED (I don't know all the terminology but you'd be a recruit
class 1 instead of a recruit class 2 or whatever). They won't turn
you away but you might have to put in more time to get to the place
where someone with a diploma would start out.
Michelle/Melbrigða
On 8/25/06, Deb <soggyboysmom@...> wrote:
to do with what rate you choose and your commitment is rather than
your background. For instance my co-parent inlisted at an E-3 because
he chose to fulfill his military obligation of 6 (it is now 8) years
active duty and because he was in a more advanced rate (electronics).
Those that chose to fulfill their military obligation for only partial
time (serving the remainder in the reserves) and/or choose lower rates
(I'm guessing cook and bottle washer type fields) would enter at lower
ranks. Also how quickly you make it through your schools also will
determine how quickly you move up the ladder. Someone who applies
him/herself will move up quicker than someone who does it more slowly.
Many of the initial schools are self paced and you can test through
them quite quickly. Dan actually was limited by how quickly he could
get through because they could only take so many tests a day.
Again, we are talking about "planning for something that isn't a sure
thing." It's a fear thing. "What if my child wants.....? What if my
child isn't able to ......?" What if your child doesn't want.......?
:) As I said if it is something that a child wants to do and is
concerned about what level s/he enters the military in then that is
when we step in and help that child achieve the goal they have set for
themselves. And (for many of our children) we are talking about
something that is 10 or more years away. The acceptance of
homeschoolers just a dozen years ago in the military and colleges was
much different than it is today. I would presume that in another
dozen years there will be a whole new (and more progressive) outlook
towards homeschooled children entering higher education, the military
and direct to the workforce. Homeschooling is growing at an
exceedingly fast rate due to parents becoming exceedingly disastisfied
with how schools are approaching learning and the treatment of
children. that is going to force changes in the way that future
employers, recruiters and universities view home educated children.
--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
[email protected] - Homeschooling for the Medieval Recreationist
> --- In [email protected], "Stacy" <smurphygt@...>Actually what rank you enter the military (enlistment wise) has more
> wrote:
> One issue to consider, though, is what your status would be once you
> enlisted. If I remember correctly from the last time I looked this
> type stuff up, if you have a college degree, some college, or a high
> school diploma you are enlisted slightly higher ranking than someone
> with a GED
to do with what rate you choose and your commitment is rather than
your background. For instance my co-parent inlisted at an E-3 because
he chose to fulfill his military obligation of 6 (it is now 8) years
active duty and because he was in a more advanced rate (electronics).
Those that chose to fulfill their military obligation for only partial
time (serving the remainder in the reserves) and/or choose lower rates
(I'm guessing cook and bottle washer type fields) would enter at lower
ranks. Also how quickly you make it through your schools also will
determine how quickly you move up the ladder. Someone who applies
him/herself will move up quicker than someone who does it more slowly.
Many of the initial schools are self paced and you can test through
them quite quickly. Dan actually was limited by how quickly he could
get through because they could only take so many tests a day.
Again, we are talking about "planning for something that isn't a sure
thing." It's a fear thing. "What if my child wants.....? What if my
child isn't able to ......?" What if your child doesn't want.......?
:) As I said if it is something that a child wants to do and is
concerned about what level s/he enters the military in then that is
when we step in and help that child achieve the goal they have set for
themselves. And (for many of our children) we are talking about
something that is 10 or more years away. The acceptance of
homeschoolers just a dozen years ago in the military and colleges was
much different than it is today. I would presume that in another
dozen years there will be a whole new (and more progressive) outlook
towards homeschooled children entering higher education, the military
and direct to the workforce. Homeschooling is growing at an
exceedingly fast rate due to parents becoming exceedingly disastisfied
with how schools are approaching learning and the treatment of
children. that is going to force changes in the way that future
employers, recruiters and universities view home educated children.
--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
[email protected] - Homeschooling for the Medieval Recreationist
Tina
<With unschooling we help our children learn their passions and help
open doors for them that will get them to their goals.>
That is the exact motivation of my question in regard to record
keeping. Our oldest son, Andrew, will be 15 in November, and he has
wanted to be in the service since he was about four years old. I
don't want my neglegence or inattention to detail to hinder his
ability to reach his goals.
Thanks - Tina
open doors for them that will get them to their goals.>
That is the exact motivation of my question in regard to record
keeping. Our oldest son, Andrew, will be 15 in November, and he has
wanted to be in the service since he was about four years old. I
don't want my neglegence or inattention to detail to hinder his
ability to reach his goals.
Thanks - Tina
Tina
> One issue to consider, though, is what your status would be once youI learned the same thing in my research. It is encouraging to hear
> enlisted. If I remember correctly from the last time I looked this
> type stuff up, if you have a college degree, some college, or a high
> school diploma you are enlisted slightly higher ranking than someone
> with a GED (I don't know all the terminology but you'd be a recruit
> class 1 instead of a recruit class 2 or whatever). They won't turn
> you away but you might have to put in more time to get to the place
> where someone with a diploma would start out.
that they will accept a parent-issued diploma. My son doesn't want to
have to go in as a GED recruit for the very reason stated above. It
does seem silly, but it is the system none-the-less.
Tina
Tina
<As I said if it is something that a child wants to do and is
concerned about what level s/he enters the military in then that is
when we step in and help that child achieve the goal they have set
for
themselves. And (for many of our children) we are talking about
something that is 10 or more years away.>
For us this is right around the corner so to speak. Andrew has been
in public school his whole life. He struggled and persevered in the
system. He just came home this past April. So it is VERY important
that I pay attention to his needs and desires. He will be 15 in a
matter of weeks. His desire *is* to enlist in the military as a
career choice at the earliest age possible. He wants to retire
out. This is not something he takes lightly and is very serious
about his decision. It is not to say that he may not change his
mind, but since it has been a calling on his heart for over 10 years
the last thing I want is my neglegence to hinder his dream.
The information everyone has provided has been extremely helpful and
encouraging. We actually waited to pull him out of school until we
knew for sure that he could still go into the service. Although, it
has been a concern of Andrew's to this day. This discussion will
help me reassure him that we are indeed on the right track.
Thanks - Tina
concerned about what level s/he enters the military in then that is
when we step in and help that child achieve the goal they have set
for
themselves. And (for many of our children) we are talking about
something that is 10 or more years away.>
For us this is right around the corner so to speak. Andrew has been
in public school his whole life. He struggled and persevered in the
system. He just came home this past April. So it is VERY important
that I pay attention to his needs and desires. He will be 15 in a
matter of weeks. His desire *is* to enlist in the military as a
career choice at the earliest age possible. He wants to retire
out. This is not something he takes lightly and is very serious
about his decision. It is not to say that he may not change his
mind, but since it has been a calling on his heart for over 10 years
the last thing I want is my neglegence to hinder his dream.
The information everyone has provided has been extremely helpful and
encouraging. We actually waited to pull him out of school until we
knew for sure that he could still go into the service. Although, it
has been a concern of Andrew's to this day. This discussion will
help me reassure him that we are indeed on the right track.
Thanks - Tina
Deb
--- In [email protected], "Tina" <zoocrew@...> wrote:
wants to be in - while they are generally similar (minimum age is
usually the same for example), each branch does have some leeway in
how they view certain things (like a GED vs diploma).
For example, straight from a Marine Corps website (a section for
parents to help their kids wanting to enlist in the Corps):
"Question: Does one need a high-school diploma to enlist?
Answer: Yes, but on occasion there are openings for those with
alternative high school credentials."
If he's already 15, and really set on this, go ahead and start
checking with recruiters. They can help provide info on things like
physical conditioning (he should already be working on daily, running,
etc to get ready for the physical part of basic training), taking the
ASVAB test (when, where, how much, how to prepare, etc), and things
like that.
--Deb
> doors for them that will get them to their goals.>You'd also want to check with which particular branch of service he
>
> That is the exact motivation of my question in regard to record
> keeping. Our oldest son, Andrew, will be 15 in November, and he has
> wanted to be in the service since he was about four years old. I
> don't want my neglegence or inattention to detail to hinder his
> ability to reach his goals.
>
wants to be in - while they are generally similar (minimum age is
usually the same for example), each branch does have some leeway in
how they view certain things (like a GED vs diploma).
For example, straight from a Marine Corps website (a section for
parents to help their kids wanting to enlist in the Corps):
"Question: Does one need a high-school diploma to enlist?
Answer: Yes, but on occasion there are openings for those with
alternative high school credentials."
If he's already 15, and really set on this, go ahead and start
checking with recruiters. They can help provide info on things like
physical conditioning (he should already be working on daily, running,
etc to get ready for the physical part of basic training), taking the
ASVAB test (when, where, how much, how to prepare, etc), and things
like that.
--Deb
Tina
> If he's already 15, and really set on this, go ahead and startlike
> checking with recruiters. They can help provide info on things
> physical conditioning (he should already be working on daily,training), > taking the ASVAB test (when, where, how much, how to
> running, etc to get ready for the physical part of basic
prepare, etc), > and things like that.
Thanks, Deb...we have been discussing just those issues.
Fortunately, he is very active. We are getting ready to sign him up
for a class locally that encompases Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, and
Hap Ki Do. He searched it out on his own. I just spoke with one of
the teachers there and it sounds like a great program. It's kind of
like attending a private school for martial arts.
We are also looking into a program through the Coast Guard where he
would go stay with them for a few days and participate in their
daily routine. Sounds way cool! Tomorrow we are going to an event
called Coast Guard Days that sounds really interesting as well.
Right now he is undetermined as to the branch, so we are trying to
expose him to as much as possible. We have a friend that has a son
in the service and we happen to live near the local military base.
He has offered to take him there and give him a tour. Awesome!
We are definately putting a trip to the local recruiting office on
our list of things to do very soon. I never thought I'd be
encouraging (assisting) one of my children in pursuing a military
career. You never know where life will lead when you are following
your children. :-)
Thanks - Tina
[email protected]
Well, my hubby is finally home from work, and wouldn't you know it, he forgot to ask about recruiting requirements for homeschoolers. I did find out a little more regarding the GED and ranks. He said the army treats diplomas and GEDs the same, but he thinks the army is the only branch that will accept a GED. Regarding rank, there are several ways for an army recruit to start out higher than an E-1 (lowest rank). The more college credits you have, the higher the rank you can start at. JROTC or Civil Air Patrol experience (not sure if these are available outside of public schools or not), being an Eagle Scout, or participating in the army's "new recruit" program are other ways to advance in rank before actually leaving for training.
Tina, if you need any more info regarding the army, please feel free to email me anytime. My husband has no problems answering any questions that may come up and since he's still a new recruiter, he'll learn a few things himself. :-)
Stacy
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Tina, if you need any more info regarding the army, please feel free to email me anytime. My husband has no problems answering any questions that may come up and since he's still a new recruiter, he'll learn a few things himself. :-)
Stacy
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