Controlling food ...
seccotine_ch
I know that it is always the same questions that arise, but ...
This is my own version of the "food control" problem ...
I have decided to let it go, as the rest, and to give my kids what
they ask, when they ask (while proposing choice, sometimes, to check
whether they are hungry or really want a cookie). I try not to be
judgemental about their choices, and I must say that most of the
time, it is OK for me and for them.
But I DO have a problem, though. They like to drink milk with
chocolate in baby's bottles ... They can drink four or five each day
and that worries me A LOT. I am afraid of the long term effects on
their health. My sister, who was a nurse, took care of a man whose
liver was destroyed by milk - he was drinking a liter or so
everyday. I have the feeling of poisoning them by giving them so
much milk and cocoa.
So here is my question : how can I deal with my anxiety when they
ask me ANOTHER bottle without controlling them ? It's really very
difficult to let go (and I must add that they haven't been very much
controlled about food in general and bottles in particular, so I
don't think that they are compensating - I really think that they
are fond of this kind of feeding ...
Once more, sorry for my English, hope you still understand my
questions and thank you in advance for your answers - I really look
forward to reading them.
Helen
mum of Sylvain (5yo), Cyrielle (3yo) and Circé (9mo)
This is my own version of the "food control" problem ...
I have decided to let it go, as the rest, and to give my kids what
they ask, when they ask (while proposing choice, sometimes, to check
whether they are hungry or really want a cookie). I try not to be
judgemental about their choices, and I must say that most of the
time, it is OK for me and for them.
But I DO have a problem, though. They like to drink milk with
chocolate in baby's bottles ... They can drink four or five each day
and that worries me A LOT. I am afraid of the long term effects on
their health. My sister, who was a nurse, took care of a man whose
liver was destroyed by milk - he was drinking a liter or so
everyday. I have the feeling of poisoning them by giving them so
much milk and cocoa.
So here is my question : how can I deal with my anxiety when they
ask me ANOTHER bottle without controlling them ? It's really very
difficult to let go (and I must add that they haven't been very much
controlled about food in general and bottles in particular, so I
don't think that they are compensating - I really think that they
are fond of this kind of feeding ...
Once more, sorry for my English, hope you still understand my
questions and thank you in advance for your answers - I really look
forward to reading them.
Helen
mum of Sylvain (5yo), Cyrielle (3yo) and Circé (9mo)
Joyce Fetteroll
On Aug 24, 2006, at 3:36 AM, seccotine_ch wrote:
fact glancing through what Google turns up for "milk liver disease"
shows that 2 8-ounce glasses (about a quarter of a liter) are
recommended as part of the diet for people with liver disease. My
husband has been drinking at least that much most of his life and
he's almost 50.
There are people who are very anti-milk. I glanced through the anti-
milk sites and no one mentions liver disease. I see allergies,
lactose intolerance, anemia mentioned. I seem to remember people
mentioning a connection between childhood infections and milk drinking.
Information is often a good cure for fears!
Joyce
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> My sister, who was a nurse, took care of a man whoseI've never heard of a connection between milk and liver disease. In
> liver was destroyed by milk - he was drinking a liter or so
> everyday.
fact glancing through what Google turns up for "milk liver disease"
shows that 2 8-ounce glasses (about a quarter of a liter) are
recommended as part of the diet for people with liver disease. My
husband has been drinking at least that much most of his life and
he's almost 50.
There are people who are very anti-milk. I glanced through the anti-
milk sites and no one mentions liver disease. I see allergies,
lactose intolerance, anemia mentioned. I seem to remember people
mentioning a connection between childhood infections and milk drinking.
Information is often a good cure for fears!
Joyce
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Jill Parmer
<<<My sister, who was a nurse, took care of a man whose
liver was destroyed by milk - he was drinking a liter or so
everyday>>>
Was there alcohol in his milk? ;-0
~Jill
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liver was destroyed by milk - he was drinking a liter or so
everyday>>>
Was there alcohol in his milk? ;-0
~Jill
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Kiersten Pasciak
--- In [email protected], "seccotine_ch"
<seccotine@...> wrote:
drinking too much milk and that it was keeping him from eating enough.
He liked many, many cups a day. We didn't want to force him to not
drink milk, so we just watered it down...tasted good enough
apparently. He still drank the same amount of cups, we said "yes"
whenever he asked, and he just got more water with it. As he got
older, we took to leaving full sport-top water bottles in each room.
Water replaced milk as his primary drink over time. Covenience:) Now,
he can get his own milk and juice, but mostly drinks water by choice.
Maybe talk to them about your concerns (although I would look into the
fears and science behind them) and ask for possible solutions.
We do milkshakes here, adding bananas or berries or eggs or Kefir to
up the food value (and make it more filling). Mine like straws.
Kiersten
mom to Jacob 4 3/4 and Emma 3
<seccotine@...> wrote:
> But I DO have a problem, though. They like to drink milk withWell, before we found unschooling, our pediatrician told us Jacob was
> chocolate in baby's bottles ... They can drink four or five each day
> and that worries me A LOT.
drinking too much milk and that it was keeping him from eating enough.
He liked many, many cups a day. We didn't want to force him to not
drink milk, so we just watered it down...tasted good enough
apparently. He still drank the same amount of cups, we said "yes"
whenever he asked, and he just got more water with it. As he got
older, we took to leaving full sport-top water bottles in each room.
Water replaced milk as his primary drink over time. Covenience:) Now,
he can get his own milk and juice, but mostly drinks water by choice.
Maybe talk to them about your concerns (although I would look into the
fears and science behind them) and ask for possible solutions.
We do milkshakes here, adding bananas or berries or eggs or Kefir to
up the food value (and make it more filling). Mine like straws.
Kiersten
mom to Jacob 4 3/4 and Emma 3
Cara
I'm new to unschooling with food and bedtimes as well, so keep this in
mind with my answer, as I'm trying, like you, to unschool food.
I'd would make a suggestion like: "I think it would be neat to try
juice or milk in the bottle too".
With my kids, they would make it into some kind of game - testing to
see if it tasted different, if it came out faster, etc.
You could always make a few convience cups of juice or water and put
them in the fridge. I know my kids will pick the already made cup if
they are just thirsty and don't care what they drink.
Cara :)
mind with my answer, as I'm trying, like you, to unschool food.
I'd would make a suggestion like: "I think it would be neat to try
juice or milk in the bottle too".
With my kids, they would make it into some kind of game - testing to
see if it tasted different, if it came out faster, etc.
You could always make a few convience cups of juice or water and put
them in the fridge. I know my kids will pick the already made cup if
they are just thirsty and don't care what they drink.
Cara :)
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How about getting rice milk?
Soy milk may *not* be a good choice for boys. You would need to read up on
it.
You could also purchase almond milk. Or, you could make it fun to make the
almond milk yourself (real easy, just water and ground nuts, I think).
If you are still lactating, you could pump and store.
Maybe try carob instead of cocoa.
You could even put rice milk in the cow milk container; or carob in the cocoa
container. Not so keen on this deceptive model, though.
My concern over too much cows milk, is that it is made for a cow. The
calcium to phosphorus ratio is more for those huge bones of a cow than for a child.
Warmly,
Cynthia
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Soy milk may *not* be a good choice for boys. You would need to read up on
it.
You could also purchase almond milk. Or, you could make it fun to make the
almond milk yourself (real easy, just water and ground nuts, I think).
If you are still lactating, you could pump and store.
Maybe try carob instead of cocoa.
You could even put rice milk in the cow milk container; or carob in the cocoa
container. Not so keen on this deceptive model, though.
My concern over too much cows milk, is that it is made for a cow. The
calcium to phosphorus ratio is more for those huge bones of a cow than for a child.
Warmly,
Cynthia
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John & Karen Buxcel
Could you offer rice milk mixed w/ cocoa instead? We drink Vanilla Rice Dream here, and it's pretty yummy, creamy and I bet w/ chocolate added (which my son does occassionally, but I've never tasted it, yet) it might be good.
Karen
http://www.thewildtribe.blogspot.com
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Karen
http://www.thewildtribe.blogspot.com
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Aug 24, 2006, at 12:36 AM, seccotine_ch wrote:
"bottle" might be, so maybe you're talking about a lot more than
that? I've forgotten how old they are - but as they get older, you
might want to switch to nonfat milk to cut down on saturated fats.
And I wouldn't worry about the chocolate, either, unless they are
having it at night and it might be keeping them awake because of the
caffeine.
If you're worried about milk containing hormones or antibiotics or
having an inappropriate chemical make-up for human children, etc.,
then switch to organic milk, rice milk, almond milk, etc.
But, really, I'd guess this is something that will simply pass -
assuming you don't try to restrict it. I bet they won't be drinking a
daily four or five bottles of chocolate milk when they're 17 years
old <G>.
If you haven't gotten it yet, please get the book, "Let Them Eat Cake."
And stop being "afraid" and start getting good solid information -
vague fears are insidious - they get between us and rational behavior.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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> But I DO have a problem, though. They like to drink milk withFour or five cups each day wouldn't worry me - but not sure how big a
> chocolate in baby's bottles ... They can drink four or five each day
> and that worries me A LOT. I am afraid of the long term effects on
> their health.
"bottle" might be, so maybe you're talking about a lot more than
that? I've forgotten how old they are - but as they get older, you
might want to switch to nonfat milk to cut down on saturated fats.
And I wouldn't worry about the chocolate, either, unless they are
having it at night and it might be keeping them awake because of the
caffeine.
If you're worried about milk containing hormones or antibiotics or
having an inappropriate chemical make-up for human children, etc.,
then switch to organic milk, rice milk, almond milk, etc.
But, really, I'd guess this is something that will simply pass -
assuming you don't try to restrict it. I bet they won't be drinking a
daily four or five bottles of chocolate milk when they're 17 years
old <G>.
If you haven't gotten it yet, please get the book, "Let Them Eat Cake."
And stop being "afraid" and start getting good solid information -
vague fears are insidious - they get between us and rational behavior.
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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seccotine_ch
Sorry that it took me so long, but I would like to thank you all for
your ideas and suggestions ...
I really liked the "information against anxiety" part, thanks :)
Oups, my baby's crying, I have to leave. Thank you all
Helene
--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
your ideas and suggestions ...
I really liked the "information against anxiety" part, thanks :)
Oups, my baby's crying, I have to leave. Thank you all
Helene
--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
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> On Aug 24, 2006, at 12:36 AM, seccotine_ch wrote:
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> > chocolate in baby's bottles ... They can drink four or five each
> > and that worries me A LOT. I am afraid of the long term effectson
> > their health.big a
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> Four or five cups each day wouldn't worry me - but not sure how
> "bottle" might be, so maybe you're talking about a lot more thanyou
> that? I've forgotten how old they are - but as they get older,
> might want to switch to nonfat milk to cut down on saturatedfats.
> And I wouldn't worry about the chocolate, either, unless they arethe
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> If you're worried about milk containing hormones or antibiotics
> having an inappropriate chemical make-up for human children,etc.,
> then switch to organic milk, rice milk, almond milk, etc.drinking a
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> But, really, I'd guess this is something that will simply pass -
> assuming you don't try to restrict it. I bet they won't be
> daily four or five bottles of chocolate milk when they're 17years
> old <G>.Cake."
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> If you haven't gotten it yet, please get the book, "Let Them Eat
>behavior.
> And stop being "afraid" and start getting good solid information -
> vague fears are insidious - they get between us and rational
>
> -pam
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> Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
> Live Love Learn
> UNSCHOOL!
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