young kids and tv
Misty Felner
Mara,
I'm very glad you started this thread. I was a huge anti-tv person before I
started moving more towards RU. I gave my dd2.7 control over her tv
watching maybe 3 months ago or so. (It seems like it's been forever, but I
know it was a little while after the new year.) Like your son, dd is glued
to the tv. I keep thinking of how I'd read comments like what Vijay said
about give it time they'll be less interested, etc. So far for me that
hasn't happened. DD is really into movies, and any new movie she sees
becomes a new "addiction". That being said, I also agree with what Vijay
said about them soaking up plots, characters etc. It is very evident in dd
imaginary play. She is constantly pretending her stuffed animals are the
various characters from the movies and acts out different scenes. This is
one of the few things keeping me from turning off the tv and saying, I think
you've watched enough. That and of course my continuous push to move more
towards RU. We are planning on trying for a second soon and I'm concerned
about her watching tv with the baby around. I think your idea for having a
cabinet to close off the tv might help the way you think it will. We don't
have a cabinet cover either, and I think that's part of why she watches so
much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the tv isn't visible she's not
interested in it. Also, I've found anytime she sits on the couch it's like
a memory cue Hope this helps some how. Thanks for starting the thread.
Misty
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I'm very glad you started this thread. I was a huge anti-tv person before I
started moving more towards RU. I gave my dd2.7 control over her tv
watching maybe 3 months ago or so. (It seems like it's been forever, but I
know it was a little while after the new year.) Like your son, dd is glued
to the tv. I keep thinking of how I'd read comments like what Vijay said
about give it time they'll be less interested, etc. So far for me that
hasn't happened. DD is really into movies, and any new movie she sees
becomes a new "addiction". That being said, I also agree with what Vijay
said about them soaking up plots, characters etc. It is very evident in dd
imaginary play. She is constantly pretending her stuffed animals are the
various characters from the movies and acts out different scenes. This is
one of the few things keeping me from turning off the tv and saying, I think
you've watched enough. That and of course my continuous push to move more
towards RU. We are planning on trying for a second soon and I'm concerned
about her watching tv with the baby around. I think your idea for having a
cabinet to close off the tv might help the way you think it will. We don't
have a cabinet cover either, and I think that's part of why she watches so
much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the tv isn't visible she's not
interested in it. Also, I've found anytime she sits on the couch it's like
a memory cue Hope this helps some how. Thanks for starting the thread.
Misty
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Kristie Cochran
Misty,
I think what your observing of your daughter is totally normal for her
age. When my 1st ds was about 3, he would watch the same movie over and
over again. He still does it now for new movies, and then he learns all
the lines from the movie ~ lol. Obviously she's not watching TV every
waking hour or she wouldn't be doing pretend play. Our TV is on all the
time, and our kids (almost 5 and 19mo) move from room to room playing.
Sometimes they'll come in and sit down and watch something, and other
times they won't. Right now my 5yo is watching something and my 19mo is
digging in the toy box pulling out toys. We've never restricted TV with
them. My DH works in TV, so it's a very big part of our lives and
always has been.
Also, I'm a bit confused about your comment about your dd watching TV
around the baby? What problem do you see with that? Your dd will be of
the age to totally understand about babies and the need to be gentle
with them. There are 3.5yrs between my two, and my son totally
understood about being gentle and easy with the baby.
Kristie
Misty Felner wrote:
I think what your observing of your daughter is totally normal for her
age. When my 1st ds was about 3, he would watch the same movie over and
over again. He still does it now for new movies, and then he learns all
the lines from the movie ~ lol. Obviously she's not watching TV every
waking hour or she wouldn't be doing pretend play. Our TV is on all the
time, and our kids (almost 5 and 19mo) move from room to room playing.
Sometimes they'll come in and sit down and watch something, and other
times they won't. Right now my 5yo is watching something and my 19mo is
digging in the toy box pulling out toys. We've never restricted TV with
them. My DH works in TV, so it's a very big part of our lives and
always has been.
Also, I'm a bit confused about your comment about your dd watching TV
around the baby? What problem do you see with that? Your dd will be of
the age to totally understand about babies and the need to be gentle
with them. There are 3.5yrs between my two, and my son totally
understood about being gentle and easy with the baby.
Kristie
Misty Felner wrote:
>
> ~snipped~
> I DD is really into movies, and any new movie she sees
> becomes a new "addiction". That being said, I also agree with what Vijay
> said about them soaking up plots, characters etc. It is very evident in dd
> imaginary play. She is constantly pretending her stuffed animals are the
> various characters from the movies and acts out different scenes.
>
> We are planning on trying for a second soon and I'm concerned
> about her watching tv with the baby around.
> Misty
>
Pamela Sorooshian
On Jul 5, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Misty Felner wrote:
Glued to the TV?
Constantly pretending her stuffed animals are the various characters?
I have a suggestion for you -- don't think in terms like "glued to"
or "constantly."
-pam
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> Like your son, dd is gluedDo you see the contradiction in what you wrote?
> to the tv. I keep thinking of how I'd read comments like what
> Vijay said
> about give it time they'll be less interested, etc. So far for me
> that
> hasn't happened. DD is really into movies, and any new movie she sees
> becomes a new "addiction". That being said, I also agree with
> what Vijay
> said about them soaking up plots, characters etc. It is very
> evident in dd
> imaginary play. She is constantly pretending her stuffed animals
> are the
> various characters from the movies and acts out different scenes.
Glued to the TV?
Constantly pretending her stuffed animals are the various characters?
I have a suggestion for you -- don't think in terms like "glued to"
or "constantly."
-pam
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Jul 5, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Misty Felner wrote:
limiting any of them.
So - how about instead of covering up the tv, you focus on the
opposite - creating a more interesting and enticing environment
around her so that if she does choose tv, at least you know she isn't
choosing it just because there isn't anything else all that
interesting and fun and exciting in her view.
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> We are planning on trying for a second soon and I'm concernedRU is about opening up MORE options, not hiding or stifling or
> about her watching tv with the baby around. I think your idea for
> having a
> cabinet to close off the tv might help the way you think it will.
> We don't
> have a cabinet cover either, and I think that's part of why she
> watches so
> much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the tv isn't visible she's
> not
> interested in it. Also, I've found anytime she sits on the couch
> it's like
> a memory cue
limiting any of them.
So - how about instead of covering up the tv, you focus on the
opposite - creating a more interesting and enticing environment
around her so that if she does choose tv, at least you know she isn't
choosing it just because there isn't anything else all that
interesting and fun and exciting in her view.
-pam
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Ren Allen
"We don't have a cabinet cover either, and I think that's part of why
she watches so much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the tv isn't
visible she's not interested in it."
Let's try that another way:
"We don't have a cabinet cover either, and I think that's part of why
she reaads so much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the books
aren't visible, she's not interested in them."
Sigh.
Unschooling isn't about being fearful of anything our children are
interested in. It isn't about giving power to a form of
communication,because of our own hangups. It's about trust.
My children ALL have televisions in their rooms. Sierra has a pretty
big one too! People that visit are always asking "your kids have tv in
their ROOMS" like it's horrifying. (only certain people, as most of
our friends unschool at this point).
It cracks me up!
The tv is on in Sierra's room right now. Jalen turned it on this
morning after playing some games on the computer and eating a pb&j
sandwich. At the moment, Sierra and Jalen are in the living room
building with pattern blocks.
THey feel free to come and go from the television because it's not
limited. It's just like the books on our shelves, or the games, toys,
skeletons, stamps, art materials, musical instruments they have
available to use at any moment they choose.
Open the world to your children. Don't hide the things you fear.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
she watches so much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the tv isn't
visible she's not interested in it."
Let's try that another way:
"We don't have a cabinet cover either, and I think that's part of why
she reaads so much. Whenever we're somewhere else and the books
aren't visible, she's not interested in them."
Sigh.
Unschooling isn't about being fearful of anything our children are
interested in. It isn't about giving power to a form of
communication,because of our own hangups. It's about trust.
My children ALL have televisions in their rooms. Sierra has a pretty
big one too! People that visit are always asking "your kids have tv in
their ROOMS" like it's horrifying. (only certain people, as most of
our friends unschool at this point).
It cracks me up!
The tv is on in Sierra's room right now. Jalen turned it on this
morning after playing some games on the computer and eating a pb&j
sandwich. At the moment, Sierra and Jalen are in the living room
building with pattern blocks.
THey feel free to come and go from the television because it's not
limited. It's just like the books on our shelves, or the games, toys,
skeletons, stamps, art materials, musical instruments they have
available to use at any moment they choose.
Open the world to your children. Don't hide the things you fear.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Eugenie van Ruitenbeek
And what kind of environment could that be? I have problems with creating
that kind of environment...
Eugenie
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RU is about opening up MORE options, not hiding or stifling or
limiting any of them.
So - how about instead of covering up the tv, you focus on the
opposite - creating a more interesting and enticing environment
around her so that if she does choose tv, at least you know she isn't
choosing it just because there isn't anything else all that
interesting and fun and exciting in her view.
-pam
that kind of environment...
Eugenie
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RU is about opening up MORE options, not hiding or stifling or
limiting any of them.
So - how about instead of covering up the tv, you focus on the
opposite - creating a more interesting and enticing environment
around her so that if she does choose tv, at least you know she isn't
choosing it just because there isn't anything else all that
interesting and fun and exciting in her view.
-pam
Melissa
Well, like maybe having lap trays with playdough, or beading
necklaces, or coloring. We had some of those with the folding trays,
i could just have the legs folded, fill the tray with fun stuff, then
stack them into the bookshelf. Then throughout the day I could get
three or four out, put them on the coffee table, and people could
choose which they wanted. We also found at an office supply store
some static cling dry erase sheets that were maybe 2ft by 3ft, we had
those all over our walls for a while so the kids could color where
they liked. There is something different about coloring on a vertical
surface!
Have boxes of toys in the same room, one with puppets, one with
blocks, one with books, one with little dolls and a dollhouse (or
like my guys, they have a hot wheels garage set). It takes more room
and more planning, but it definitely puts fun toys in the same room
and everything is on the same level, does that make sense? So maybe
as the toys are in the same room as the TV, they all have the same
appeal, rather than the TV appearing special because it's rather
shrined off?
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
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necklaces, or coloring. We had some of those with the folding trays,
i could just have the legs folded, fill the tray with fun stuff, then
stack them into the bookshelf. Then throughout the day I could get
three or four out, put them on the coffee table, and people could
choose which they wanted. We also found at an office supply store
some static cling dry erase sheets that were maybe 2ft by 3ft, we had
those all over our walls for a while so the kids could color where
they liked. There is something different about coloring on a vertical
surface!
Have boxes of toys in the same room, one with puppets, one with
blocks, one with books, one with little dolls and a dollhouse (or
like my guys, they have a hot wheels garage set). It takes more room
and more planning, but it definitely puts fun toys in the same room
and everything is on the same level, does that make sense? So maybe
as the toys are in the same room as the TV, they all have the same
appeal, rather than the TV appearing special because it's rather
shrined off?
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
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On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Eugenie van Ruitenbeek wrote:
> And what kind of environment could that be? I have problems with
> creating
> that kind of environment...
>
> Eugenie
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> RU is about opening up MORE options, not hiding or stifling or
> limiting any of them.
>
> So - how about instead of covering up the tv, you focus on the
> opposite - creating a more interesting and enticing environment
> around her so that if she does choose tv, at least you know she isn't
> choosing it just because there isn't anything else all that
> interesting and fun and exciting in her view.
>
> -pam
>
>
>
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Michelle/Melbrigða
On 7/5/06, Misty Felner <misty@...> wrote:
she is engaged in other activities"? I find that even if the
television is in the room and on that my children will be engaged in
that which they find more interesting whether it is the television, a
book, a game, or some other play. When we are in another room or out
of the house where there is no television it isn't that they aren't
thinking of tv (they may well be) but that which we are doing is much
more engaging at the moment. This weekend we went to a SCA event and
in the children's pavillion there was a television. Most of the
children, though, were much more interested in the other activities
that the Minister of Children had planned than the television. Most
chose to shoot stuffed animals off the castle with tiny bows and
arrows than watch another showing of Princess Bride (which why they
would want to pass up on Princess Bride is totally beyond me LOL!)
--
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http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
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> Whenever we're somewhere else and the tv isn't visible she's notReally? Or would it be better to say "Whenever we're somewhere else
> interested in it.
she is engaged in other activities"? I find that even if the
television is in the room and on that my children will be engaged in
that which they find more interesting whether it is the television, a
book, a game, or some other play. When we are in another room or out
of the house where there is no television it isn't that they aren't
thinking of tv (they may well be) but that which we are doing is much
more engaging at the moment. This weekend we went to a SCA event and
in the children's pavillion there was a television. Most of the
children, though, were much more interested in the other activities
that the Minister of Children had planned than the television. Most
chose to shoot stuffed animals off the castle with tiny bows and
arrows than watch another showing of Princess Bride (which why they
would want to pass up on Princess Bride is totally beyond me LOL!)
--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
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freepsgal
> And what kind of environment could that be? I have problems withI'm not sure how old your children are, but something I did when my
> creating that kind of environment...
> Eugenie
kids were really young was to make a 'Never Bored' poster. We had
so many cool things to do that the kids often forgot about
everything we had. Leaving it all out didn't help because the kids
felt overwhelmed. I used the internet to find pictures and created
a poster separated into grids where I listed everything available.
It had things on it like:
Read a book
Listen to book on tape
Play-doh
Finger Paints
Legos
Blocks
Puzzles
Wash dishes (use dishpan of soapy water on kitchen floor to wash non-
breakable dishes)
etc.
Even my youngest daughter could understand the pictures. If they
ever got bored, I'd suggest they take a look at the poster to see if
there was anything that looked like fun. It never failed! :)
Beth M.
Misty Felner
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kristiecochran
Wed Jul 5, 2006 8:26 am (PST)
I'm a bit confused about your comment about your dd watching TV
around the baby? What problem do you see with that?
When we have a baby, I dont want dd to watch it with the baby around. I
have no problem with her watching it in a separate room, just not around the
baby. Unschooly or not, I dont feel its appropriate for babies to watch
as much tv as dd does. Not to mention the content might be too intense for
an infant, who cant communicate that. Ive actually come a long way on my
thinking about television since first joining this group, but I still have
issues with babies watching it. I dont limit how much dd watches tv. I am
finally able to let go of the physical aspect of that, but I still
struggle with the emotional part, so to speak. DD2.7 watches 3-4 hrs/day
of tv, usually movies. Honestly, this still bothers me shes spending 1/3 -
½ of her awake time in front of the television. So I ask myself if it were
something else that she was spending that much time doing, reading, drawing,
would it bother me. Probably not, but I find it very difficult to get away
from the stigma. I began writing an article more than a year ago about the
number of tvs in restaurants. I dont feel its appropriate that
everywhere we go there are televisions on without request. Just recently,
we ate lunch at a pizza place within a bounce house party center that had
NYPD Blue playing. While researching information for my article, I came
across numerous studies discussing the number of violent acts witnessed
through television. It was unbelievable. I also uncovered research that
showed the influence of a television being on in the background while
children played. Its hard to get all this information and statistics out
of my head and just let her have free reign over the tv. Im taking baby
steps.
Misty
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kristiecochran
Wed Jul 5, 2006 8:26 am (PST)
I'm a bit confused about your comment about your dd watching TV
around the baby? What problem do you see with that?
When we have a baby, I dont want dd to watch it with the baby around. I
have no problem with her watching it in a separate room, just not around the
baby. Unschooly or not, I dont feel its appropriate for babies to watch
as much tv as dd does. Not to mention the content might be too intense for
an infant, who cant communicate that. Ive actually come a long way on my
thinking about television since first joining this group, but I still have
issues with babies watching it. I dont limit how much dd watches tv. I am
finally able to let go of the physical aspect of that, but I still
struggle with the emotional part, so to speak. DD2.7 watches 3-4 hrs/day
of tv, usually movies. Honestly, this still bothers me shes spending 1/3 -
½ of her awake time in front of the television. So I ask myself if it were
something else that she was spending that much time doing, reading, drawing,
would it bother me. Probably not, but I find it very difficult to get away
from the stigma. I began writing an article more than a year ago about the
number of tvs in restaurants. I dont feel its appropriate that
everywhere we go there are televisions on without request. Just recently,
we ate lunch at a pizza place within a bounce house party center that had
NYPD Blue playing. While researching information for my article, I came
across numerous studies discussing the number of violent acts witnessed
through television. It was unbelievable. I also uncovered research that
showed the influence of a television being on in the background while
children played. Its hard to get all this information and statistics out
of my head and just let her have free reign over the tv. Im taking baby
steps.
Misty
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Brian & Alexandra Polikowsky
My experience is that if a child or infant is not interested in TV he/she won't watch. My ds was expose to many hours of TV since he was born. ( I love TV ) but he did not watch any until he was 18 months old and found BOB THE BUILDER. At 4 he does watch TV but if something else is more interesting at that moment he has no problem just moving on from that. Also he watches a lot on discovery type stuff that you could say are "educational". He does because he wanst to. It makes no difference for me if he is watching "Mythbusters" or "Tom & Jerry". If something makes him uncomfortable he will cover his eyes or ask me to change the channel.
He has free choice and I also did when I was a kid. I love TV but if I have a good book I like it even better!! and I can't put the book down.
Alex
He has free choice and I also did when I was a kid. I love TV but if I have a good book I like it even better!! and I can't put the book down.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Misty Felner
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] young kids and tv
I thought this went out several days ago, but apparently not.
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kristiecochran
Wed Jul 5, 2006 8:26 am (PST)
I'm a bit confused about your comment about your dd watching TV
around the baby? What problem do you see with that?
When we have a baby, I don't want dd to watch it with the baby around. I
have no problem with her watching it in a separate room, just not around the
baby. "Unschooly" or not, I don't feel it's appropriate for babies to watch
as much tv as dd does. Not to mention the content might be too intense for
an infant, who can't communicate that. I've actually come a long way on my
thinking about television since first joining this group, but I still have
issues with babies watching it. I don't limit how much dd watches tv. I am
finally able to let go of the "physical" aspect of that, but I still
struggle with the "emotional" part, so to speak. DD2.7 watches 3-4 hrs/day
of tv, usually movies. Honestly, this still bothers me she's spending 1/3 -
½ of her awake time in front of the television. So I ask myself if it were
something else that she was spending that much time doing, reading, drawing,
would it bother me. Probably not, but I find it very difficult to get away
from the stigma. I began writing an article more than a year ago about the
number of tv's in restaurants. I don't feel it's appropriate that
everywhere we go there are televisions on without request. Just recently,
we ate lunch at a pizza place within a bounce house party center that had
NYPD Blue playing. While researching information for my article, I came
across numerous studies discussing the number of "violent acts" witnessed
through television. It was unbelievable. I also uncovered research that
showed the influence of a television being on in the background while
children played. It's hard to get all this information and statistics out
of my head and just let her have free reign over the tv. I'm taking baby
steps.
Misty
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Misty Felner wrote:
talk with a tv going. No restaurant has ever refused us. Sometimes we
just turn it down, ourselves, if we can reach it. I like to go to
Islands (a Hawaiian themed burger place) because of the tv's -- they
all show beautiful surfing footage - gorgeous!! But, even without
sound, it is a bit distracting from conversation.
upset a baby, to be honest. They watched a lot of PBS - some videos -
not much else. There is so much good stuff just on PBS - they were
busy with that! Yesterday in the car my 15 yo quoted something from
Reading Rainbow - her 16 yo boyfriend recognized it and they had a
cool conversation about the different episodes of RR that they had
really loved. Very sweet. They thought they'd try to rent them from
Netflix and have a Reading Rainbow evening sometime soon.
-pam
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> Just recently,We often ask to have the tv turned off - I find it really hard to
> we ate lunch at a pizza place within a bounce house party center
> that had
> NYPD Blue playing.
talk with a tv going. No restaurant has ever refused us. Sometimes we
just turn it down, ourselves, if we can reach it. I like to go to
Islands (a Hawaiian themed burger place) because of the tv's -- they
all show beautiful surfing footage - gorgeous!! But, even without
sound, it is a bit distracting from conversation.
> While researching information for my article, I cameMy 2 to 5 year olds were never watching anything that I thought would
> across numerous studies discussing the number of �violent acts�
> witnessed
> through television. It was unbelievable. I also uncovered
> research that
> showed the influence of a television being on in the background while
> children played. It�s hard to get all this information and
> statistics out
> of my head and just let her have free reign over the tv. I�m
> taking baby
> steps.
upset a baby, to be honest. They watched a lot of PBS - some videos -
not much else. There is so much good stuff just on PBS - they were
busy with that! Yesterday in the car my 15 yo quoted something from
Reading Rainbow - her 16 yo boyfriend recognized it and they had a
cool conversation about the different episodes of RR that they had
really loved. Very sweet. They thought they'd try to rent them from
Netflix and have a Reading Rainbow evening sometime soon.
-pam
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Eugenie van Ruitenbeek
Hi Misty,
I still feel from deep inside that we, as parents have something important
to do with protection. I don't give my children food with sugar and all kind
of supplements to eat because I want to offer them the highest quality of
food. I feel in my being that eating the crap that commercial ugly adults
produce is not what I want to give to my children because it damages their
bodies. And their bodies are holy, as far as I am concerned. If they loose
the connection with their bodies, they will be lost. Eating garbage will
damage their bodies. Period. I am very sure about that.
Same with television. I see a lot of crap on the television from which I am
sure my children will suffer because it hits their unconsiousness being. I
can talk with them about it but I will not be able to heal the damage.
It is the same with experiences... I will (after I woke up after a painfull
situation with Jesse) never allow my children to step into dangerous
situations which they are simply not able to see for what it is.
Television itself is not dangerous or damaging but a lot of programmes are,
in my opinion, to the brains and hearts of my shining children. They are too
young to cope with violence, war and so on. And because I don't know what
the people of the programmes are going to do (I have to watch it before I
know but than it happened already) I talk to Jesse (just turned 7) and I
tell him that I protect him and don't allow him to watch this crap, the same
as I don't allow him to drive my car, as he certainly wishes.
I can see Jesse and Tygo reacting the same when violence comes on the
screen. And violence can come on the screen every second. They watch it and
are not able to walk away... Tygo is not able to tell me (2,5 years) what he
is feeling but Jesse tells me that he is paralyzed when he sees children aho
fight or calling each other names, when there is an operation of whatever on
the screen. So I have two choices: I watch everything with them, interfering
when I see that it is upsetting them... or I leave them alone with the
machine which turns out to be very scary to them.. Or I talk with Jesse and
come to the conclusion that this is not what we want to live in this house.
Television is hypnotizing to my children and they are not able to runaway
from it.
So I protect them from it.. with the permission of Jesse.
They watch videos as much as they want and that is it. No television in this
house.
A different view.. I think it will all change when they are older and much
more able to see what is going on... Until then... no tv.
Warmly,
Eugenie
I still feel from deep inside that we, as parents have something important
to do with protection. I don't give my children food with sugar and all kind
of supplements to eat because I want to offer them the highest quality of
food. I feel in my being that eating the crap that commercial ugly adults
produce is not what I want to give to my children because it damages their
bodies. And their bodies are holy, as far as I am concerned. If they loose
the connection with their bodies, they will be lost. Eating garbage will
damage their bodies. Period. I am very sure about that.
Same with television. I see a lot of crap on the television from which I am
sure my children will suffer because it hits their unconsiousness being. I
can talk with them about it but I will not be able to heal the damage.
It is the same with experiences... I will (after I woke up after a painfull
situation with Jesse) never allow my children to step into dangerous
situations which they are simply not able to see for what it is.
Television itself is not dangerous or damaging but a lot of programmes are,
in my opinion, to the brains and hearts of my shining children. They are too
young to cope with violence, war and so on. And because I don't know what
the people of the programmes are going to do (I have to watch it before I
know but than it happened already) I talk to Jesse (just turned 7) and I
tell him that I protect him and don't allow him to watch this crap, the same
as I don't allow him to drive my car, as he certainly wishes.
I can see Jesse and Tygo reacting the same when violence comes on the
screen. And violence can come on the screen every second. They watch it and
are not able to walk away... Tygo is not able to tell me (2,5 years) what he
is feeling but Jesse tells me that he is paralyzed when he sees children aho
fight or calling each other names, when there is an operation of whatever on
the screen. So I have two choices: I watch everything with them, interfering
when I see that it is upsetting them... or I leave them alone with the
machine which turns out to be very scary to them.. Or I talk with Jesse and
come to the conclusion that this is not what we want to live in this house.
Television is hypnotizing to my children and they are not able to runaway
from it.
So I protect them from it.. with the permission of Jesse.
They watch videos as much as they want and that is it. No television in this
house.
A different view.. I think it will all change when they are older and much
more able to see what is going on... Until then... no tv.
Warmly,
Eugenie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
There is so much good stuff just on PBS - they were
busy with that! Yesterday in the car my 15 yo quoted something from
Reading Rainbow - her 16 yo boyfriend recognized it and they had a
cool conversation about the different episodes of RR that they had
really loved. Very sweet. They thought they'd try to rent them from
Netflix and have a Reading Rainbow evening sometime soon.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tell them to look up Christian Thee's episode!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org
School's goal is to prepare them to be anything they want. But the
process is so dullifying and kids haven't explored the possibilities
of what they could be that many set their sites as low as possible.
They go to college to get a job to buy stuff. ~Joyce Fetteroll
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From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
There is so much good stuff just on PBS - they were
busy with that! Yesterday in the car my 15 yo quoted something from
Reading Rainbow - her 16 yo boyfriend recognized it and they had a
cool conversation about the different episodes of RR that they had
really loved. Very sweet. They thought they'd try to rent them from
Netflix and have a Reading Rainbow evening sometime soon.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tell them to look up Christian Thee's episode!
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org
School's goal is to prepare them to be anything they want. But the
process is so dullifying and kids haven't explored the possibilities
of what they could be that many set their sites as low as possible.
They go to college to get a job to buy stuff. ~Joyce Fetteroll
________________________________________________________________________
Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email
and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Pamela Sorooshian
Episode 76
Title is -- "Opt: An Illusionary Tale"
(Just reserved it at the public library - netflix doesn't seem to
have any Reading Rainbows, unless I'm just not finding them in my
search.)
-pam
Title is -- "Opt: An Illusionary Tale"
(Just reserved it at the public library - netflix doesn't seem to
have any Reading Rainbows, unless I'm just not finding them in my
search.)
-pam
On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:53 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> Tell them to look up Christian Thee's episode!
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Ren Allen
"Eating garbage will
damage their bodies. Period. I am very sure about that.
Same with television. I see a lot of crap on the television from which
I am sure my children will suffer because it hits their unconsiousness
being. I can talk with them about it but I will not be able to heal
the damage."
You're pretty sure about things that haven't been true in this house,
nor in the home of a lot of other radical unschoolers!! I think the
only way a person can learn to balance their OWN bodies is by being
given trust. Just because sugar affects one person negatively, does
NOT mean it will affect another the same way.
I'm a very healthy individual that eats sugar, but not meat. Works for
me, I feel great. But some folks in this house like meat. I would
never want to shame them for their own personal choice.
Radical unschooling requires trust. Trust that my own ideas aren't
necessarily the best and most valuable....except for myself.
Eating "garbage" doesn't damage bodies if they're getting the healthy
stuff too. Most people will balance themselves out if they're provided
with healthy options and trusted.
If violence is damaging to your children, then they won't want to
watch it. If it's not damaging, they'll be just fine. Trust me.
I have a 16.5y.o. that LOVES violent video games and horror movies. He
has since he was very little. He's a peace activist that stood on a
hot corner of Pensacola almost daily to protest the Iraq war before it
started. He cringes when parents are mean to their children (or
siblings are mean to each other) and is a very gentle, sweet soul.
Children are smart enough to discern pretend violence from real. What
hurts children is REAL violence. Children that are treated with
respect, trust, kindness and gentleness don't learn to be violent.
Games and movies and tv shows don't create violent people, violence does.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
damage their bodies. Period. I am very sure about that.
Same with television. I see a lot of crap on the television from which
I am sure my children will suffer because it hits their unconsiousness
being. I can talk with them about it but I will not be able to heal
the damage."
You're pretty sure about things that haven't been true in this house,
nor in the home of a lot of other radical unschoolers!! I think the
only way a person can learn to balance their OWN bodies is by being
given trust. Just because sugar affects one person negatively, does
NOT mean it will affect another the same way.
I'm a very healthy individual that eats sugar, but not meat. Works for
me, I feel great. But some folks in this house like meat. I would
never want to shame them for their own personal choice.
Radical unschooling requires trust. Trust that my own ideas aren't
necessarily the best and most valuable....except for myself.
Eating "garbage" doesn't damage bodies if they're getting the healthy
stuff too. Most people will balance themselves out if they're provided
with healthy options and trusted.
If violence is damaging to your children, then they won't want to
watch it. If it's not damaging, they'll be just fine. Trust me.
I have a 16.5y.o. that LOVES violent video games and horror movies. He
has since he was very little. He's a peace activist that stood on a
hot corner of Pensacola almost daily to protest the Iraq war before it
started. He cringes when parents are mean to their children (or
siblings are mean to each other) and is a very gentle, sweet soul.
Children are smart enough to discern pretend violence from real. What
hurts children is REAL violence. Children that are treated with
respect, trust, kindness and gentleness don't learn to be violent.
Games and movies and tv shows don't create violent people, violence does.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Pamela Sorooshian
On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Eugenie van Ruitenbeek wrote:
produce and so on. But, we also eat out, including fast food, and we
eat sweets and enjoy them very very much. We just came back from
dinner out - 3 of the 4 of us ordered salads and one of us ordered a
hamburger. We had one very large order of fries that we shared. One
kid had lemonade and one had iced tea and my husband and I had water.
Nobody had desert - we don't really have the idea of desert after a
meal, here, because everybody eats when and what they want and eating
extra sweets after a nice meal isn't all that appealing. AND we sat
there for two hours laughing and talking and enjoying each other's
company and the food was delicious and the company even better.
Nobody was afraid; nobody was feeling guilty for eating "crap."
Content and happy, we are now home and each of us is doing our own
thing right now, but in a few minutes we're going to get back
together and play cards.
commercial adults, I mean.
think of as "crap" are all "lost?" What does that mean?
There is a wonderful book about children's nutrition called, "Let
them Eat Cake." You might want to read it.
never wanted to watch anything that would hurt them - they want to
watch things that expand their worlds, that give them pleasure, that
stimulate their thinking, things that are funny, or provide insight
into human nature, etc.
to judge others very harshly, will probably be what your children
learn from you.
--pam
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> I don't give my children food with sugar and all kindWe eat well, too. I shop at whole foods markets, I buy organic
> of supplements to eat because I want to offer them the highest
> quality of
> food.
produce and so on. But, we also eat out, including fast food, and we
eat sweets and enjoy them very very much. We just came back from
dinner out - 3 of the 4 of us ordered salads and one of us ordered a
hamburger. We had one very large order of fries that we shared. One
kid had lemonade and one had iced tea and my husband and I had water.
Nobody had desert - we don't really have the idea of desert after a
meal, here, because everybody eats when and what they want and eating
extra sweets after a nice meal isn't all that appealing. AND we sat
there for two hours laughing and talking and enjoying each other's
company and the food was delicious and the company even better.
Nobody was afraid; nobody was feeling guilty for eating "crap."
Content and happy, we are now home and each of us is doing our own
thing right now, but in a few minutes we're going to get back
together and play cards.
> I feel in my being that eating the crap that commercial ugly adultsBad thing to be feeling in your being - thoughts about ugly
> produce is not what I want to give to my children because it
> damages their
> bodies.
commercial adults, I mean.
> And their bodies are holy, as far as I am concerned. If they looseExtremely strong language. Do you think those of us who eat what you
> the connection with their bodies, they will be lost.
think of as "crap" are all "lost?" What does that mean?
> Eating garbage willSo - the rest of us are feeding our children garbage? Period? Very sure?
> damage their bodies. Period. I am very sure about that.
There is a wonderful book about children's nutrition called, "Let
them Eat Cake." You might want to read it.
>But - would your children actually want to watch "crap?" Mine have
> Same with television. I see a lot of crap on the television
> from which I am
> sure my children will suffer because it hits their unconsiousness
> being.
never wanted to watch anything that would hurt them - they want to
watch things that expand their worlds, that give them pleasure, that
stimulate their thinking, things that are funny, or provide insight
into human nature, etc.
> I can talk with them about it but I will not be able to heal theYou are living in unnecessary fear - and THAT, along with a tendency
> damage.
to judge others very harshly, will probably be what your children
learn from you.
--pam
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Tina
>There is a wonderful book about children's nutrition called, "Letthem Eat Cake." You might want to read it.>
Check Amazon...I found it there for $.01. No kidding!
Tina