Christy Putnam

Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink more milk w/o feeling like I
have to "force feed" him by using a bottle...I am trying to figure out how
long I can leave his milk (soy milk & formula mixture) sippy cup out before
risking food poisoning and the like. So does anyone know how long a glass
of soy milk (or otherwise) can be left out? Also how many times can it be
taken out of the fridge for that length of time? Does anyone know of a very
small (one or 2 sippy cup size) fridge I could put in the living room for
him to access?

In Gratitude,

Christy Putnam
Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)

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Pampered Chef Michelle

On 5/15/06, Christy Putnam <personal_balance@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink more milk w/o feeling like
> I
> have to "force feed" him


Why do you feel that your child *needs* more milk? Milk is highly
overrated! Seriously. The reason that milk became the drink to have is
because it is an easy way for parents to get calcium, iron, protein and
calories into children. Guess what? Those things can be found in
plentitude in hundreds of other foods. Children don't *need* milk if they
have other foods to eat. In fact our species hasn't consumed cow's milk as
a beverage for a very long time (historically and genetically speaking). It
is one reason why so many humans have problems digesting milk. I know quite
a few people who cannot drink cow's milk (or cow milk products like cheese
and butter) but have no problem with goat milk and goat milk products.

If your son isn't a big eater it may be that he doesn't have a need for all
those extra calories. If he has his food unhindered he is going to eat and
oddly enough their bodies tend to gravitate towards the things that they
need. I've started doing this with myself. When Dan and I go to the health
food store each weekend to get his coffee, I usually pick up chocolate as I
only like 2 different kinds and like that they are organic and slave free.
I decided to allow myself to get as much as I wanted. I've been getting
usually 2 bars a week which does me quite well. I allow myself to have
chocolate whenever I like and have kept it around. The kids don't care for
it too much because it tends to be a tad bitter because it has a high cocoa
content (or it has fruit in it and they think that is just wrong LOL!) So
it is there for my taking. This past weekend we went to the HFS and I
picked up some pears and some dehydrated green beans and a handful of other
things along with the coffee. When we got outside I realized that I didn't
have any chocolate. Dan asked if I needed to go inside and get some and I
said, "No; come to think of it I still have a full bar in the cabinet. And
these pears looked really good today." I found that given the option of all
foods being available to me, my body will tell me what it is I want.
Children can do the same.

If you want more information on milk and why it isn't a necessary thing let
me know. This is a strong passion of mine. I have 1 child that only
consumes milk on cereal and 2 children that do not consume milk at all
(other than an ocaissional glass of chocolate milk which they rarely ask
for!) They are all strong, healthy and have never broken a bone and rarely
get sick despite the doctor's warnings that children who don't consume milk
will be weak, sick and their bones will break easily.

Michelle - who is actually now eating almost a full chocolate bar thanks to
the onset of menses


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Why not just put a small amount of milk in his regular sippy cup?

Julie S.

Stacey Brumfield

My 15 month old is allergic to milk, we buy her Minute
Maid Kids. Same nutrients (pretty much) as milk, no
messy cleanup. :)
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<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
> On 5/15/06, Christy Putnam
<personal_balance@...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink
more milk w/o feeling like
> > I
> > have to "force feed" him
>
>
> Why do you feel that your child *needs* more milk?
Milk is highly
> overrated! Seriously. The reason that milk became
the drink to have is
> because it is an easy way for parents to get
calcium, iron, protein and
> calories into children. Guess what? Those things
can be found in
> plentitude in hundreds of other foods. Children
don't *need* milk if they
> have other foods to eat. In fact our species hasn't
consumed cow's milk as
> a beverage for a very long time (historically and
genetically speaking). It
> is one reason why so many humans have problems
digesting milk. I know quite
> a few people who cannot drink cow's milk (or cow
milk products like cheese
> and butter) but have no problem with goat milk and
goat milk products.
>
> If your son isn't a big eater it may be that he
doesn't have a need for all
> those extra calories. If he has his food unhindered
he is going to eat and
> oddly enough their bodies tend to gravitate towards
the things that they
> need. I've started doing this with myself. When
Dan and I go to the health
> food store each weekend to get his coffee, I usually
pick up chocolate as I
> only like 2 different kinds and like that they are
organic and slave free.
> I decided to allow myself to get as much as I
wanted. I've been getting
> usually 2 bars a week which does me quite well. I
allow myself to have
> chocolate whenever I like and have kept it around.
The kids don't care for
> it too much because it tends to be a tad bitter
because it has a high cocoa
> content (or it has fruit in it and they think that
is just wrong LOL!) So
> it is there for my taking. This past weekend we
went to the HFS and I
> picked up some pears and some dehydrated green beans
and a handful of other
> things along with the coffee. When we got outside I
realized that I didn't
> have any chocolate. Dan asked if I needed to go
inside and get some and I
> said, "No; come to think of it I still have a full
bar in the cabinet. And
> these pears looked really good today." I found that
given the option of all
> foods being available to me, my body will tell me
what it is I want.
> Children can do the same.
>
> If you want more information on milk and why it
isn't a necessary thing let
> me know. This is a strong passion of mine. I have
1 child that only
> consumes milk on cereal and 2 children that do not
consume milk at all
> (other than an ocaissional glass of chocolate milk
which they rarely ask
> for!) They are all strong, healthy and have never
broken a bone and rarely
> get sick despite the doctor's warnings that children
who don't consume milk
> will be weak, sick and their bones will break
easily.
>
> Michelle - who is actually now eating almost a full
chocolate bar thanks to
> the onset of menses
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>


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Kristie Cochran

Pampered Chef Michelle wrote:
> On 5/15/06, Christy Putnam <personal_balance@...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink more milk w/o
> feeling like
> > I
> > have to "force feed" him
>
>
> Why do you feel that your child *needs* more milk? Milk is highly
> overrated! Seriously.

I have to agree here. My first nursed until age 2.5 and he's NEVER had
milk to drink. He doesn't like it. At nearly 5yo, he's finally eating
cereal with milk, but he still doesn't drink the leftover milk. My 17mo
is still nursing, so he probably won't drink milk either. My Ped
doesn't worry about it since there are lots of other ways to get
calcium, protein and Vitamin D in his diet. I would like him to drink
it just for the fat content so maybe he'll gain a little weight, but
that's *my* thing and not his. He's on the same growth curve (very
small side) as he's always been, so his body must be getting what it
needs. It currently loves cheeseburgers ~ lol.

Milk is totally overrated!

Kristie

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<<nursed until 2.5......still nursing....milk is totally overrated>>

Nursing is drinking lots of milk. Now if you mean the dead
pasteurized 3 week old stuff you get in the supermarket that originally
came from cows or goats......yeah, its over rated.

We drink raw, straight from the goat milk full of enzymes and with a
nutrient content not too disparate from human breast milk.

Julie S.

Mother Earth (Tyra)

I would like to add to the mother who began this post that just going with the child's natural flow of what they want to eat or not eat will help the child always be able to stay tuned into what s/he needs. His body may not be in need of extra calcium or whatever milk and formula have to offer. He may binge on one food one week and then another another week. I am super sensitive to this fact with my children because I learned to tune out at some point and have problems with overeating. I don't think that all people do but as I see radical unschooling, it is really about helping children stay in tuned with their own internal knowing which I am learning is always right.

Wishing you the best!

Namaste
Tyra
> On 5/15/06, Christy Putnam <personal_balance@...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink more milk w/o
> feeling like
> > I
> > have to "force feed" him
>


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Manisha Kher

We've left soy milk out for 4 hours or so without any
problems. But we live in a fairly cold house - 66 F
most of the year.

I've seen insulated sippy cups. Or you could buy an
insulated lunch box type thing and keep the sippy cup
in it.

Manisha

--- Christy Putnam <personal_balance@...> wrote:

> Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink more
> milk w/o feeling like I
> have to "force feed" him by using a bottle...I am
> trying to figure out how
> long I can leave his milk (soy milk & formula
> mixture) sippy cup out before
> risking food poisoning and the like. So does anyone
> know how long a glass
> of soy milk (or otherwise) can be left out? Also
> how many times can it be
> taken out of the fridge for that length of time?
> Does anyone know of a very
> small (one or 2 sippy cup size) fridge I could put
> in the living room for
> him to access?
>
> In Gratitude,
>
> Christy Putnam
> Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
> Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)
>
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Christy Putnam

I will have to look into that. Thank you so much!

In Gratitude,

Christy Putnam
Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 5:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Milk (cross post)


My 15 month old is allergic to milk, we buy her Minute
Maid Kids. Same nutrients (pretty much) as milk, no
messy cleanup. :)
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<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
> On 5/15/06, Christy Putnam
<personal_balance@...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, in an effort to get my 16 mo old to drink
more milk w/o feeling like
> > I
> > have to "force feed" him
>
>
> Why do you feel that your child *needs* more milk?
Milk is highly
> overrated! Seriously. The reason that milk became
the drink to have is
> because it is an easy way for parents to get
calcium, iron, protein and
> calories into children. Guess what? Those things
can be found in
> plentitude in hundreds of other foods. Children
don't *need* milk if they
> have other foods to eat. In fact our species hasn't
consumed cow's milk as
> a beverage for a very long time (historically and
genetically speaking). It
> is one reason why so many humans have problems
digesting milk. I know quite
> a few people who cannot drink cow's milk (or cow
milk products like cheese
> and butter) but have no problem with goat milk and
goat milk products.
>
> If your son isn't a big eater it may be that he
doesn't have a need for all
> those extra calories. If he has his food unhindered
he is going to eat and
> oddly enough their bodies tend to gravitate towards
the things that they
> need. I've started doing this with myself. When
Dan and I go to the health
> food store each weekend to get his coffee, I usually
pick up chocolate as I
> only like 2 different kinds and like that they are
organic and slave free.
> I decided to allow myself to get as much as I
wanted. I've been getting
> usually 2 bars a week which does me quite well. I
allow myself to have
> chocolate whenever I like and have kept it around.
The kids don't care for
> it too much because it tends to be a tad bitter
because it has a high cocoa
> content (or it has fruit in it and they think that
is just wrong LOL!) So
> it is there for my taking. This past weekend we
went to the HFS and I
> picked up some pears and some dehydrated green beans
and a handful of other
> things along with the coffee. When we got outside I
realized that I didn't
> have any chocolate. Dan asked if I needed to go
inside and get some and I
> said, "No; come to think of it I still have a full
bar in the cabinet. And
> these pears looked really good today." I found that
given the option of all
> foods being available to me, my body will tell me
what it is I want.
> Children can do the same.
>
> If you want more information on milk and why it
isn't a necessary thing let
> me know. This is a strong passion of mine. I have
1 child that only
> consumes milk on cereal and 2 children that do not
consume milk at all
> (other than an ocaissional glass of chocolate milk
which they rarely ask
> for!) They are all strong, healthy and have never
broken a bone and rarely
> get sick despite the doctor's warnings that children
who don't consume milk
> will be weak, sick and their bones will break
easily.
>
> Michelle - who is actually now eating almost a full
chocolate bar thanks to
> the onset of menses
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>


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Deb

I agree with the others - my DS didn't drink cow's milk until he was
around 3 yrs old and we switched back to 1% or 2% to use on cereal and
the like. He still prefers not to drink whole milk at all and uses
milk for cereal, as chocolate milk, and to dunk cookies (the milk
that's left rarely gets consumed because he doesn't like the crumbs
left in it). It's a rare day that he actually will just drink a glass
of milk. He does like cheese A LOT so we usually have a variety on
hand. Cheese was his preferred snack for that whole time when he
didn't drink milk, along with yogurt.

If your child doesn't want to drink milk, don't force it. Odds are he
knows better than you what he needs. Go with that. Keep a varied
supply of fruits, nuts (if they are safe in your family), whole
grains, veggies, etc. and he'll be fine.

--Deb