Re: Sharing Rooms
Lesa McMahon-Lowe
Has anyone found out for sure if there is a law about same sex siblings
sharing a room? I'd really like to know the truth about this.
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Lesa M.
LIFE Academy
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sharing a room? I'd really like to know the truth about this.
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Lesa M.
LIFE Academy
http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net/
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Ellen Christian
I'm sure it varies by state. Your best bet is to call your state offices & ask.
Lesa McMahon-Lowe <lesajm@...> wrote: Has anyone found out for sure if there is a law about same sex siblings
sharing a room?
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Lesa McMahon-Lowe <lesajm@...> wrote: Has anyone found out for sure if there is a law about same sex siblings
sharing a room?
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aplan4life
I've chalked it up to urban legend because I've been searching all day
to no avail and have worded it upteen different ways in the search
engine. The most I've gotten is someont *thinks* its a law in some
states.
--- In [email protected], "Lesa McMahon-Lowe"
<lesajm@...> wrote:
to no avail and have worded it upteen different ways in the search
engine. The most I've gotten is someont *thinks* its a law in some
states.
--- In [email protected], "Lesa McMahon-Lowe"
<lesajm@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone found out for sure if there is a law about same sex siblings
> sharing a room? I'd really like to know the truth about this.
>
>
>
> ~*~*~
> Lesa M.
> LIFE Academy
> http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net/
>
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>
Kiersten Pasciak
--- In [email protected], "aplan4life"
<aplan4life@...> wrote:
Some of it might be LOCAL LAW or some crazy ordinance.
Here, you can't have more than 4 people living in a house who are
not parent/child realations. This is enforced sometimes beacuase of
super-extended families all living in one house. If someone
complains, it is the "legal" way to get rid of unwanted famillies.
Oh and as for how do they know? TAXES mostly, if it is adults.
I remember when we bought our house, I was shocked to hear of such a
thing. Then I met some of the local board members at a city BBQ and
heard a great deal of couched racist remarks. I think it was a way
of being able to force immigrants and black families out of
town...the conversation led to talking about the ordinance and how
some famlies can only afford it if they all move in together. We
live in an area that is maybe 30% white/ 70% black, and we moved
here on purpose because we wanted to live in an afforable, diverse
community. Listening to these men assume we felt the same way was
yucky. Luckily, that is not the feeling I get in my particular
neighborhood at all.
Don't know if it would come up on "Google".
I am gonna have to go try.
Kiersten (in Bedford Heights, OH for those wondering what close-
minded part of the country I am in)
<aplan4life@...> wrote:
>day
> I've chalked it up to urban legend because I've been searching all
> to no avail and have worded it upteen different ways in the search------------------
> engine. The most I've gotten is someont *thinks* its a law in some
> states.
Some of it might be LOCAL LAW or some crazy ordinance.
Here, you can't have more than 4 people living in a house who are
not parent/child realations. This is enforced sometimes beacuase of
super-extended families all living in one house. If someone
complains, it is the "legal" way to get rid of unwanted famillies.
Oh and as for how do they know? TAXES mostly, if it is adults.
I remember when we bought our house, I was shocked to hear of such a
thing. Then I met some of the local board members at a city BBQ and
heard a great deal of couched racist remarks. I think it was a way
of being able to force immigrants and black families out of
town...the conversation led to talking about the ordinance and how
some famlies can only afford it if they all move in together. We
live in an area that is maybe 30% white/ 70% black, and we moved
here on purpose because we wanted to live in an afforable, diverse
community. Listening to these men assume we felt the same way was
yucky. Luckily, that is not the feeling I get in my particular
neighborhood at all.
Don't know if it would come up on "Google".
I am gonna have to go try.
Kiersten (in Bedford Heights, OH for those wondering what close-
minded part of the country I am in)
Kiersten Pasciak
Ok, so I found something so far, but not the non-parent/child thing.
This one is square foot based and 2 per room:
Bedford Heights enacted its first occupancy ordinance in February
1989. The 1989 version of the ordinance required a minimum of 300
square feet of habitable floor space2 for the first occupant and an
additional 200 square feet for each additional occupant. Codified
Ordinance § 1387.14, the version of the ordinance now being
challenged by Housing Advocates was adopted in September 1991. The
1991 occupancy ordinance requires a minimum of 200 square feet of
habitable space for the first occupant and 150 additional square
feet for each additional occupant. The ordinance further requires a
minimum of 650 square feet of habitable space for dwellings having
four occupants.
The deposition testimony of John Marrelli, the Bedford Heights
Building Commissioner at the time the ordinance was enacted, was
presented at trial. Marrelli testified that the ordinance was
passed, in part, due to residents' concerns about too many people
living in one apartment, unsupervised children, children playing in
unsafe environments (e.g., balconies, parking lots, hallways,
elevators), noise, and overcrowding. Further, in response to
plaintiff's counsel's question of whether "[t]he law was directed
towards problems associated with children and problems that other
tenants, adult tenants, were experiencing in relation to these
children," Marrelli answered, "Yes." J.A. at 126. However, Marrelli
also stated that in passing the ordinance, the city "did not look at
[the ordinance] as having an impact on any specific group of
persons. . . .We weren't trying to define who could live in the
suites, but how many." J.A. at 129. He further stated that the
ordinance was passed to address "[h]ealth, safety, and sanitation"
problems that could result from overcrowding. J.A. at 137. According
to Marrelli, the ordinance was enacted as a result of the 1988
amendments to the FHA, and in response to landlords' and tenants'
complaints regarding overcrowding. Thus, after the FHA amendments
were passed, information regarding these amendments, along with a
draft of the proposed ordinance, was submitted to local apartment
landlords/owners. Bedford Heights, working with the
landlords/owners, developed the square footage requirements included
in the final version of the ordinance.
In addition, B. Allen Clutter, Vice-President and General Manager of
Owners Management Company, testified at trial.3 Clutter stated that
although using a square footage occupancy standard is not
unreasonable, for consistency purposes, Owners Management imposes a
two-person-per- bedroom standard. Clutter further admitted that he
was aware that Owners Management was in violation of Bedford
Heights's occupancy ordinance due to the company's two-person-per-
bedroom standard. A letter Clutter wrote to the Mayor of Bedford
Heights shortly before enactment of the 1989 occupancy ordinance was
also presented at trial. This letter referenced the 1988 FHA
Amendments and pointed out that Bedford Heights did not have an
occupancy ordinance. Clutter indicated in his letter that he
knew "there [would] be a great demand for family housing in this
area because of the school system," and thus, he "urge[d] [the
Mayor] to consider proposing such [occupancy] standards so that over
crowding does not occur." J.A. at 523.
Hmmmm.
We lived in 2 different apartments owned by Owner's Management for 7
years before moving into our house 3 years ago.
It seems like a good way to get more rent money if families are
forced to get bigger apartments if they have more people. It could
be a money issue rental-wise with the opposite sex sibling thing too.
More things in this world revolve around money (in my opinion) than
around morality, even if it appears otherwise...
Kiersten
This one is square foot based and 2 per room:
Bedford Heights enacted its first occupancy ordinance in February
1989. The 1989 version of the ordinance required a minimum of 300
square feet of habitable floor space2 for the first occupant and an
additional 200 square feet for each additional occupant. Codified
Ordinance § 1387.14, the version of the ordinance now being
challenged by Housing Advocates was adopted in September 1991. The
1991 occupancy ordinance requires a minimum of 200 square feet of
habitable space for the first occupant and 150 additional square
feet for each additional occupant. The ordinance further requires a
minimum of 650 square feet of habitable space for dwellings having
four occupants.
The deposition testimony of John Marrelli, the Bedford Heights
Building Commissioner at the time the ordinance was enacted, was
presented at trial. Marrelli testified that the ordinance was
passed, in part, due to residents' concerns about too many people
living in one apartment, unsupervised children, children playing in
unsafe environments (e.g., balconies, parking lots, hallways,
elevators), noise, and overcrowding. Further, in response to
plaintiff's counsel's question of whether "[t]he law was directed
towards problems associated with children and problems that other
tenants, adult tenants, were experiencing in relation to these
children," Marrelli answered, "Yes." J.A. at 126. However, Marrelli
also stated that in passing the ordinance, the city "did not look at
[the ordinance] as having an impact on any specific group of
persons. . . .We weren't trying to define who could live in the
suites, but how many." J.A. at 129. He further stated that the
ordinance was passed to address "[h]ealth, safety, and sanitation"
problems that could result from overcrowding. J.A. at 137. According
to Marrelli, the ordinance was enacted as a result of the 1988
amendments to the FHA, and in response to landlords' and tenants'
complaints regarding overcrowding. Thus, after the FHA amendments
were passed, information regarding these amendments, along with a
draft of the proposed ordinance, was submitted to local apartment
landlords/owners. Bedford Heights, working with the
landlords/owners, developed the square footage requirements included
in the final version of the ordinance.
In addition, B. Allen Clutter, Vice-President and General Manager of
Owners Management Company, testified at trial.3 Clutter stated that
although using a square footage occupancy standard is not
unreasonable, for consistency purposes, Owners Management imposes a
two-person-per- bedroom standard. Clutter further admitted that he
was aware that Owners Management was in violation of Bedford
Heights's occupancy ordinance due to the company's two-person-per-
bedroom standard. A letter Clutter wrote to the Mayor of Bedford
Heights shortly before enactment of the 1989 occupancy ordinance was
also presented at trial. This letter referenced the 1988 FHA
Amendments and pointed out that Bedford Heights did not have an
occupancy ordinance. Clutter indicated in his letter that he
knew "there [would] be a great demand for family housing in this
area because of the school system," and thus, he "urge[d] [the
Mayor] to consider proposing such [occupancy] standards so that over
crowding does not occur." J.A. at 523.
Hmmmm.
We lived in 2 different apartments owned by Owner's Management for 7
years before moving into our house 3 years ago.
It seems like a good way to get more rent money if families are
forced to get bigger apartments if they have more people. It could
be a money issue rental-wise with the opposite sex sibling thing too.
More things in this world revolve around money (in my opinion) than
around morality, even if it appears otherwise...
Kiersten
Kiersten Pasciak
Well, my searches came to naught for the ordinance I was told about
when we move here.
I have however, learned a ton about my city!
Thanks for the "Google" nudge.
The last thing I stumble upon was our school policy, includind dress
code and rules, etc.
There is a homework recommendation for all kids in elementary school
for each night Monday through Thursday (with Friday off so kids can
spend time with their families, LOL) It ranges from 15 minutes a
night for KINERGARTEN to an hour a night in 6th grade!
The girl across the street is in 1st grade and when I told her the
kids weren't going to school, she said "That's good. It's boring. I
only like lunch and recess. And now they give us all this homework!"
She still comes over to play, so that is cool.
Wish she didn't have to go to school, though... It is nice to have
her here.
Kiersten
when we move here.
I have however, learned a ton about my city!
Thanks for the "Google" nudge.
The last thing I stumble upon was our school policy, includind dress
code and rules, etc.
There is a homework recommendation for all kids in elementary school
for each night Monday through Thursday (with Friday off so kids can
spend time with their families, LOL) It ranges from 15 minutes a
night for KINERGARTEN to an hour a night in 6th grade!
The girl across the street is in 1st grade and when I told her the
kids weren't going to school, she said "That's good. It's boring. I
only like lunch and recess. And now they give us all this homework!"
She still comes over to play, so that is cool.
Wish she didn't have to go to school, though... It is nice to have
her here.
Kiersten
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/14/2006 7:41:14 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
kjl8@... writes:
There is a homework recommendation for all kids in elementary school
for each night Monday through Thursday (with Friday off so kids can
spend time with their families, LOL) It ranges from 15 minutes a
night for KINERGARTEN to an hour a night in 6th grade!
My son was given homework every single day in kindergarten, even fridays, I
think that is just a little wayyyyyy too excessive, it just burns children
out on school and the whole idea of learning. He was the one that led me to
the decision to homeschool and ultimately to unschool! I thank god everyday I
was shown this path, granted I'm new, and I'll make mistakes, but they will
be the best for my children. Not because I'm following a regime that someone
who has never even met my child has set up for them!
Mandy
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/) (http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/) (http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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kjl8@... writes:
There is a homework recommendation for all kids in elementary school
for each night Monday through Thursday (with Friday off so kids can
spend time with their families, LOL) It ranges from 15 minutes a
night for KINERGARTEN to an hour a night in 6th grade!
My son was given homework every single day in kindergarten, even fridays, I
think that is just a little wayyyyyy too excessive, it just burns children
out on school and the whole idea of learning. He was the one that led me to
the decision to homeschool and ultimately to unschool! I thank god everyday I
was shown this path, granted I'm new, and I'll make mistakes, but they will
be the best for my children. Not because I'm following a regime that someone
who has never even met my child has set up for them!
Mandy
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/) (http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/) (http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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