"Technically" Speaking.....
aplan4life
If an adult is an expert in their field, do they know everything there
is to know about say, "higher maths" or "literature"? I'm thinking
for instance, say an Egyptologist; do they know everything there is to
know about biology? So when my daughter literally learns about
animals, all day, every single day; why then is that somehow 'wrong'
as seen through the eyes of those in the education system or hardcore
homeschoolers? Would I tell Zawi Hawass, "I'm sorry, I realize that
you're probably one of the highest paid most respected Egyptologist in
the world but uh, you don't know that the scientific name for a fern ,
back to schoool you go." Certainly not, so again, I don't understand
the need for entrance exams and all that other bullcrap.
Why does this country have to make things so difficult for people to
be educated in areas of interest only, meaning they can still be
self-learned but if they WANT to go higher in just one area, WHY do
they HAVE to know a little about everything else? If a child in
school sucks at English, why should they not be able to go onto higher
education in an area of interest? My children's doctor does not speak
English well (she's mideastern) but she is an EXCELLANT and
intelligent doctor.
I'd say that this why I still am not able to let go of making
something mandatory. Even if she only studied animals for the next 10
years of her life, she is still getting areas of history, math,
science, reading, vocabulary, etc. because as her interests grow, so
the higher learning comes automatically. I'm bummed that adults can
be EXPERTS but children, by society in general, have to know all that
other crap too in order to go on higher if they want.
~Sandy Winn
is to know about say, "higher maths" or "literature"? I'm thinking
for instance, say an Egyptologist; do they know everything there is to
know about biology? So when my daughter literally learns about
animals, all day, every single day; why then is that somehow 'wrong'
as seen through the eyes of those in the education system or hardcore
homeschoolers? Would I tell Zawi Hawass, "I'm sorry, I realize that
you're probably one of the highest paid most respected Egyptologist in
the world but uh, you don't know that the scientific name for a fern ,
back to schoool you go." Certainly not, so again, I don't understand
the need for entrance exams and all that other bullcrap.
Why does this country have to make things so difficult for people to
be educated in areas of interest only, meaning they can still be
self-learned but if they WANT to go higher in just one area, WHY do
they HAVE to know a little about everything else? If a child in
school sucks at English, why should they not be able to go onto higher
education in an area of interest? My children's doctor does not speak
English well (she's mideastern) but she is an EXCELLANT and
intelligent doctor.
I'd say that this why I still am not able to let go of making
something mandatory. Even if she only studied animals for the next 10
years of her life, she is still getting areas of history, math,
science, reading, vocabulary, etc. because as her interests grow, so
the higher learning comes automatically. I'm bummed that adults can
be EXPERTS but children, by society in general, have to know all that
other crap too in order to go on higher if they want.
~Sandy Winn
Pampered Chef Michelle
On 4/4/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote:
almost 700 years ago! To enter the medieval university (which is quite
different from how it is today. If we had universities like they had back
then today I might have truly enjoyed my university experience!) you had to
take very difficult oral and written exams. They did this to keep the
"peasants" from being able to attend the universities. They did it as part
of weeding out "certain people." The sad thing is that if your daddy had
enough money you could know squat and get in (does that remind you of
anyone?) Learning Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, Italian, and German was a
way of distancing oneself from lower masses even if you never had any use
for those languages.
Some things from the medieval university stayed with us. One being entrance
exams. For some reason there is this thought that our children need to be
"well rounded" to succeed. Tell that to Einstein, Shakespeare (who was
horrible at math!), Galileo, Edison, Carver, Currie!
Why does this country have to make things so difficult for people to
way it was taught. I probably have used some of it in problem solving, but
it was for real and physical problems, not theoretic problems!
I'd say that this why I still am not able to let go of making
Thing by Starhawk. You probably would have to look in the New Age or Occult
sections to find it. It is a novel based in the future of a community that
lives where everyone's talents are praised and revered. Healers heal
because that's what they want to do. Artists create because they want to
create. Healers and artists are considered equal. It is a socialist based
society, so no one goes hungry or without basic needs met. Everyone from
the healers to the artists from the clothiers to the teachers all help with
the "distateful tasks" like emptying composting toilets, pulling weeds, and
taking care of the children or very elderly. children have as much of a
right to speak at community meetings as adults. I want to live in that
community (sans all the nasty things that happen outside their city walls.)
--
Michelle
Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
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>You have to look back at the medieval university. Yep, it all started
> Would I tell Zawi Hawass, "I'm sorry, I realize that
> you're probably one of the highest paid most respected Egyptologist in
> the world but uh, you don't know that the scientific name for a fern ,
> back to schoool you go." Certainly not, so again, I don't understand
> the need for entrance exams and all that other bullcrap.
almost 700 years ago! To enter the medieval university (which is quite
different from how it is today. If we had universities like they had back
then today I might have truly enjoyed my university experience!) you had to
take very difficult oral and written exams. They did this to keep the
"peasants" from being able to attend the universities. They did it as part
of weeding out "certain people." The sad thing is that if your daddy had
enough money you could know squat and get in (does that remind you of
anyone?) Learning Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, Italian, and German was a
way of distancing oneself from lower masses even if you never had any use
for those languages.
Some things from the medieval university stayed with us. One being entrance
exams. For some reason there is this thought that our children need to be
"well rounded" to succeed. Tell that to Einstein, Shakespeare (who was
horrible at math!), Galileo, Edison, Carver, Currie!
Why does this country have to make things so difficult for people to
> be educated in areas of interest only, meaning they can still beYeah, never have used any of that calculus in theatre arts. At least not the
> self-learned but if they WANT to go higher in just one area, WHY do
> they HAVE to know a little about everything else?
way it was taught. I probably have used some of it in problem solving, but
it was for real and physical problems, not theoretic problems!
I'd say that this why I still am not able to let go of making
> something mandatory. Even if she only studied animals for the next 10There is a lovely (albeit a tad frightening) book called The Fifth Sacred
> years of her life, she is still getting areas of history, math,
> science, reading, vocabulary, etc. because as her interests grow, so
> the higher learning comes automatically. I'm bummed that adults can
> be EXPERTS but children, by society in general, have to know all that
> other crap too in order to go on higher if they want.
Thing by Starhawk. You probably would have to look in the New Age or Occult
sections to find it. It is a novel based in the future of a community that
lives where everyone's talents are praised and revered. Healers heal
because that's what they want to do. Artists create because they want to
create. Healers and artists are considered equal. It is a socialist based
society, so no one goes hungry or without basic needs met. Everyone from
the healers to the artists from the clothiers to the teachers all help with
the "distateful tasks" like emptying composting toilets, pulling weeds, and
taking care of the children or very elderly. children have as much of a
right to speak at community meetings as adults. I want to live in that
community (sans all the nasty things that happen outside their city walls.)
--
Michelle
Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
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Eva Ginnell
I'm new here on the list, in fact I'm new to this country, new to homescholing and new to unschooling. We came from Germany just a couple of months ago where homeschooling, nevermind unschooling, is illegal. The police comes to fetch your child to bring it to school, if he doesn't turn up. After four years in elementary school the children are separated into three (to four) types of school, one for the brightest (with a college future), the next for the not so bright (with a not so easy access to college), after that you can't even try for any "higher" education, if you've attended any of the other schools. And this happens when the children are 10 years of age. It's ridiculous!
It's a long and hard political struggle to try and set up an alternative school, it's frowned upon by most people and especially anyone who has had teacher training (they consider themselves better equipped to know what's good for the children). We've tried nevertheless, and the rest of the group is still going ahead with that school at home. If I had had a chance to just leave my kids at home and let them learn whatever comes their way and interest, I would have been more than happy. I was amazed that I could do this so easily here and that there is so much (cyber or not) support and so many people around who do the same thing (at least homeschooling). My way of thinking about learning and education was just so unheard of and not taken seriously by so many people. In that respect I find it a relief to be here.
I follow the discussions on the list with great interest and hope to be able to contribute some time.
Eva
aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote: If an adult is an expert in their field, do they know everything there
is to know about say, "higher maths" or "literature"? I'm thinking
for instance, say an Egyptologist; do they know everything there is to
know about biology? So when my daughter literally learns about
animals, all day, every single day; why then is that somehow 'wrong'
as seen through the eyes of those in the education system or hardcore
homeschoolers? Would I tell Zawi Hawass, "I'm sorry, I realize that
you're probably one of the highest paid most respected Egyptologist in
the world but uh, you don't know that the scientific name for a fern ,
back to schoool you go." Certainly not, so again, I don't understand
the need for entrance exams and all that other bullcrap.
Why does this country have to make things so difficult for people to
be educated in areas of interest only, meaning they can still be
self-learned but if they WANT to go higher in just one area, WHY do
they HAVE to know a little about everything else? If a child in
school sucks at English, why should they not be able to go onto higher
education in an area of interest? My children's doctor does not speak
English well (she's mideastern) but she is an EXCELLANT and
intelligent doctor.
I'd say that this why I still am not able to let go of making
something mandatory. Even if she only studied animals for the next 10
years of her life, she is still getting areas of history, math,
science, reading, vocabulary, etc. because as her interests grow, so
the higher learning comes automatically. I'm bummed that adults can
be EXPERTS but children, by society in general, have to know all that
other crap too in order to go on higher if they want.
~Sandy Winn
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It's a long and hard political struggle to try and set up an alternative school, it's frowned upon by most people and especially anyone who has had teacher training (they consider themselves better equipped to know what's good for the children). We've tried nevertheless, and the rest of the group is still going ahead with that school at home. If I had had a chance to just leave my kids at home and let them learn whatever comes their way and interest, I would have been more than happy. I was amazed that I could do this so easily here and that there is so much (cyber or not) support and so many people around who do the same thing (at least homeschooling). My way of thinking about learning and education was just so unheard of and not taken seriously by so many people. In that respect I find it a relief to be here.
I follow the discussions on the list with great interest and hope to be able to contribute some time.
Eva
aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote: If an adult is an expert in their field, do they know everything there
is to know about say, "higher maths" or "literature"? I'm thinking
for instance, say an Egyptologist; do they know everything there is to
know about biology? So when my daughter literally learns about
animals, all day, every single day; why then is that somehow 'wrong'
as seen through the eyes of those in the education system or hardcore
homeschoolers? Would I tell Zawi Hawass, "I'm sorry, I realize that
you're probably one of the highest paid most respected Egyptologist in
the world but uh, you don't know that the scientific name for a fern ,
back to schoool you go." Certainly not, so again, I don't understand
the need for entrance exams and all that other bullcrap.
Why does this country have to make things so difficult for people to
be educated in areas of interest only, meaning they can still be
self-learned but if they WANT to go higher in just one area, WHY do
they HAVE to know a little about everything else? If a child in
school sucks at English, why should they not be able to go onto higher
education in an area of interest? My children's doctor does not speak
English well (she's mideastern) but she is an EXCELLANT and
intelligent doctor.
I'd say that this why I still am not able to let go of making
something mandatory. Even if she only studied animals for the next 10
years of her life, she is still getting areas of history, math,
science, reading, vocabulary, etc. because as her interests grow, so
the higher learning comes automatically. I'm bummed that adults can
be EXPERTS but children, by society in general, have to know all that
other crap too in order to go on higher if they want.
~Sandy Winn
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Lesa McMahon-Lowe
Eva,
I'm so glad you're here (on the list and in the country) and able to freely
raise your children how you feel is right. :)
~*~*~
Lesa M.
LIFE Academy
http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net/
-------Original Message-------
From: Eva Ginnell
Date: 04/04/06 19:01:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] a different perspective on unschooling
I'm new here on the list, in fact I'm new to this country, new to
homescholing and new to unschooling. We came from Germany just a couple of
months ago where homeschooling, nevermind unschooling, is illegal. The
police comes to fetch your child to bring it to school, if he doesn't turn
up. After four years in elementary school the children are separated into
three (to four) types of school, one for the brightest (with a college
future), the next for the not so bright (with a not so easy access to
college), after that you can't even try for any "higher" education, if you
ve attended any of the other schools. And this happens when the children
are 10 years of age. It's ridiculous!
It's a long and hard political struggle to try and set up an alternative
school, it's frowned upon by most people and especially anyone who has had
teacher training (they consider themselves better equipped to know what's
good for the children). We've tried nevertheless, and the rest of the group
is still going ahead with that school at home. If I had had a chance to
just leave my kids at home and let them learn whatever comes their way and
interest, I would have been more than happy. I was amazed that I could do
this so easily here and that there is so much (cyber or not) support and so
many people around who do the same thing (at least homeschooling). My way
of thinking about learning and education was just so unheard of and not
taken seriously by so many people. In that respect I find it a relief to be
here.
I follow the discussions on the list with great interest and hope to be
able to contribute some time.
Eva
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I'm so glad you're here (on the list and in the country) and able to freely
raise your children how you feel is right. :)
~*~*~
Lesa M.
LIFE Academy
http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net/
-------Original Message-------
From: Eva Ginnell
Date: 04/04/06 19:01:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] a different perspective on unschooling
I'm new here on the list, in fact I'm new to this country, new to
homescholing and new to unschooling. We came from Germany just a couple of
months ago where homeschooling, nevermind unschooling, is illegal. The
police comes to fetch your child to bring it to school, if he doesn't turn
up. After four years in elementary school the children are separated into
three (to four) types of school, one for the brightest (with a college
future), the next for the not so bright (with a not so easy access to
college), after that you can't even try for any "higher" education, if you
ve attended any of the other schools. And this happens when the children
are 10 years of age. It's ridiculous!
It's a long and hard political struggle to try and set up an alternative
school, it's frowned upon by most people and especially anyone who has had
teacher training (they consider themselves better equipped to know what's
good for the children). We've tried nevertheless, and the rest of the group
is still going ahead with that school at home. If I had had a chance to
just leave my kids at home and let them learn whatever comes their way and
interest, I would have been more than happy. I was amazed that I could do
this so easily here and that there is so much (cyber or not) support and so
many people around who do the same thing (at least homeschooling). My way
of thinking about learning and education was just so unheard of and not
taken seriously by so many people. In that respect I find it a relief to be
here.
I follow the discussions on the list with great interest and hope to be
able to contribute some time.
Eva
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