Ren Allen

"I didn't mean what are you doing to introduce him to letters, numbers
or whatever. I'm just curious what activities other unschoolers are
doing with their kids at this age. "

But you asked if others had "started" yet.
Children start learning at birth. They continue learning for life, if
we trust that learning process. There is no "start" with unschooling.

Now if you're in a bit of a rut, and just need some fun ideas, this is
a fabulous group to get ya' started! Just remember, it's your child's
needs that should dictate the flow of ideas and whether they're useful
or not. Others can really help us get creative ideas when we're stuck,
but trust your child and that spark of joy in her eyes to decide if
it's valuable.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

S Drag-teine

Again at that age I remember thinking when are we going to start and it
occurred to me a year or so later that we had been "doing it all along." To
me - my son just wasn't that interesting until he turned three. He didn't do
anything. He wasn't really into toys, he walked, he said words here and
there but beyond that he just watched. I realize now that it is because he
is a thinker. He doesn't always seem to even listen to you when you talk or
watch a show he has made a fuss to watch but a day, a week and sometimes
months later he says something that makes me go wow he was listening, he did
get it.

He didn't have enough info to give feed back to say I want to do this other
then occasionally wanting to watch a video though he loved baths. We used to
take two or three baths a day just because he wanted to be in the water. It
was quite a shock when my DD was afraid of the water. Now she loves baths
too but not to the degree that my son did.

Shannon

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ren Allen
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Unschooling my 2.5 y.o.

"I didn't mean what are you doing to introduce him to letters, numbers
or whatever. I'm just curious what activities other unschoolers are
doing with their kids at this age. "

But you asked if others had "started" yet.
Children start learning at birth. They continue learning for life, if
we trust that learning process. There is no "start" with unschooling.

Now if you're in a bit of a rut, and just need some fun ideas, this is
a fabulous group to get ya' started! Just remember, it's your child's
needs that should dictate the flow of ideas and whether they're useful
or not. Others can really help us get creative ideas when we're stuck,
but trust your child and that spark of joy in her eyes to decide if
it's valuable.

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Misty Felner

Thanks Shannon,

Our problem definitely isn't a lack of communication. My daughter is a great
communicator, and has always let me know what's on her mind. (Pardon me
while I brag on her a minute.) As a former deaf ed teacher I taught her
American Sign Language at a year, and by 18 months she had over 150 signs in
her vocabulary when she started talking at 20 months she just took off and
by the time she was 2 she sounded like a 3 yr old. She's been telling me
what she wants to eat, play, wear, etc. since she was 15 months. My problem
is she usually has some idea of what she wants to play and it always has to
include me. A mother can only play with play dough or pretend with stuffed
animals, for so long. She doesn't want to play on her own so I'm just
looking for some new alternatives that might captivate her. I live in
Plano, TX just north of Dallas. I try to check out some of the local sites
calendars to find things going on and enroll her every once in while in
recreation center classes for a change of pace, but sometimes I feel I might
be forcing her out of the house too much, so I was interested in what other
moms did all day at home. She's not too much into music though once a week
or so she's willing to turn some on to dance to. She does like art so we do
some painting, play dough work, and various gluing and coloring projects.
But as I think I said before or maybe in another post she constantly wants
me to play with her stuffed animals, and I'm starting to really tire of it.



Misty



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S Drag-teine

I can sympathize. I also taught both my children to sign. My son still
didn't sign much unless he wanted something and he really didn't want much.
What does she "play" with her stuffed animals? My son always has a
storyline. Can I ask, what would you rather be doing then playing stuffed
animals?

Shannon


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Misty Felner
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Unschooling my 2.5 y.o.

Thanks Shannon,

Our problem definitely isn't a lack of communication. My daughter is a great
communicator, and has always let me know what's on her mind. (Pardon me
while I brag on her a minute.) As a former deaf ed teacher I taught her
American Sign Language at a year, and by 18 months she had over 150 signs in
her vocabulary when she started talking at 20 months she just took off and
by the time she was 2 she sounded like a 3 yr old. She's been telling me
what she wants to eat, play, wear, etc. since she was 15 months. My problem
is she usually has some idea of what she wants to play and it always has to
include me. A mother can only play with play dough or pretend with stuffed
animals, for so long. She doesn't want to play on her own so I'm just
looking for some new alternatives that might captivate her. I live in
Plano, TX just north of Dallas. I try to check out some of the local sites
calendars to find things going on and enroll her every once in while in
recreation center classes for a change of pace, but sometimes I feel I might
be forcing her out of the house too much, so I was interested in what other
moms did all day at home. She's not too much into music though once a week
or so she's willing to turn some on to dance to. She does like art so we do
some painting, play dough work, and various gluing and coloring projects.
But as I think I said before or maybe in another post she constantly wants
me to play with her stuffed animals, and I'm starting to really tire of it.



Misty



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--- In [email protected], "Misty Felner" <misty@...>
wrote:

My problem
> is she usually has some idea of what she wants to play and it
always has to
> include me. A mother can only play with play dough or pretend
with stuffed
> animals, for so long. She doesn't want to play on her own so I'm
just
> looking for some new alternatives that might captivate her.

You might want to go to www.momsclub.org and try your local chapter.
Most of the women there will have young kids, and not only will they
have scheduled activites, but you can meet people to
have "playgroups" with and even just say, "How do YOU spend the day?"


> But as I think I said before or maybe in another post she
constantly wants
> me to play with her stuffed animals, and I'm starting to really
tire of it.


I remember when my oldest daughter was about three, she wanted to
play pretend with me ALL the time, and it was diffiuclt. Now she's
almost five and has a three year old sister, and the dynamic has
changed.

What really really helped me was our walks. When the weather was
nice, we would walk to the library or Target about three times a
week.

Jenny

Misty Felner

RE: What does she "play" with her stuffed animals? My son always has a
storyline. Can I ask, what would you rather be doing then playing stuffed
animals?



Usually the story line is about a baby needing help in some way or another.
Occasionally it has to do with some kind of tea party or eating. If she's
seem an episode of Dora recently then some aspects might mirror the show
she's seen, like for a couple of weeks it was always the baby is lost and
needs to find it's mama like several of the Dora episodes. Most of the time
there's nothing necessarily that I'd rather be playing, I just get bored of
playing. She wants to play for a good hour several times a day.
Occasionally the problem is that I'd like to have a minute to myself to
cook a meal, check e-mail, shower, etc. and she gets very upset if I don't
play with her.



Misty

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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S Drag-teine
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Unschooling my 2.5 y.o.



I can sympathize. I also taught both my children to sign. My son still
didn't sign much unless he wanted something and he really didn't want much.
What does she "play" with her stuffed animals? My son always has a
storyline. Can I ask, what would you rather be doing then playing stuffed
animals?

Shannon


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Misty Felner
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Unschooling my 2.5 y.o.

Thanks Shannon,

Our problem definitely isn't a lack of communication. My daughter is a great
communicator, and has always let me know what's on her mind. (Pardon me
while I brag on her a minute.) As a former deaf ed teacher I taught her
American Sign Language at a year, and by 18 months she had over 150 signs in
her vocabulary when she started talking at 20 months she just took off and
by the time she was 2 she sounded like a 3 yr old. She's been telling me
what she wants to eat, play, wear, etc. since she was 15 months. My problem
is she usually has some idea of what she wants to play and it always has to
include me. A mother can only play with play dough or pretend with stuffed
animals, for so long. She doesn't want to play on her own so I'm just
looking for some new alternatives that might captivate her. I live in
Plano, TX just north of Dallas. I try to check out some of the local sites
calendars to find things going on and enroll her every once in while in
recreation center classes for a change of pace, but sometimes I feel I might
be forcing her out of the house too much, so I was interested in what other
moms did all day at home. She's not too much into music though once a week
or so she's willing to turn some on to dance to. She does like art so we do
some painting, play dough work, and various gluing and coloring projects.
But as I think I said before or maybe in another post she constantly wants
me to play with her stuffed animals, and I'm starting to really tire of it.



Misty



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Pampered Chef Michelle

On 3/29/06, Misty Felner <misty@...> wrote:
>
> She wants to play for a good hour several times a day.
> Occasionally the problem is that I'd like to have a minute to myself to
> cook a meal, check e-mail, shower, etc. and she gets very upset if I don't
> play with her.


I would sometimes tell my children, "I can only play for 15 minutes as I
have something I need/want to do." I would often invite my children to join
me in what *I* wanted/needed to do. For instance if it was cook a meal, I
would find ways to incorporate them. Before my kids were even 2yo they were
standing on a chair at the table slicing olives, mushrooms, strawberries,
etc with an egg slicer (Yes; Pampered Chef - but it was long before I became
a Kitchen Consultant LOL!) They could wash veggies, core the eyes out of
potatoes of the hulls off strawberries using a corer. As they got older
they could use a small knife and cut veggies for stews and soups. They
could knead bread, pour, measure, stir. If they didn't want to help in the
kitchen they could bring their toys into the kitchen area and continue their
play there. I can't tell you the number of times that I had wooden trains
circling my legs while I cooked!

If I wanted to do something else and they wanted to continue a story line
(this was also something that my oldest did until she got a sibling) I would
invite her to act out her play in my presence (sounds like royalty, eh?)
while I knit, stamped, scrapbooked, played endless games of Mahjong on our
old MacPlus (did I just age myself?)

Sometimes being part of their world means inviting them into your world.





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S Drag-teine

I always forget those things mostly because I take it for granted that my
son and now my daughter help put clothes in the basket to "do laundry",
match socks, sort toys, etc.

Shannon

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pampered Chef
Michelle
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Unschooling my 2.5 y.o.

On 3/29/06, Misty Felner <misty@...> wrote:
>
> She wants to play for a good hour several times a day.
> Occasionally the problem is that I'd like to have a minute to myself to
> cook a meal, check e-mail, shower, etc. and she gets very upset if I don't
> play with her.


I would sometimes tell my children, "I can only play for 15 minutes as I
have something I need/want to do." I would often invite my children to join
me in what *I* wanted/needed to do. For instance if it was cook a meal, I
would find ways to incorporate them. Before my kids were even 2yo they were
standing on a chair at the table slicing olives, mushrooms, strawberries,
etc with an egg slicer (Yes; Pampered Chef - but it was long before I became
a Kitchen Consultant LOL!) They could wash veggies, core the eyes out of
potatoes of the hulls off strawberries using a corer. As they got older
they could use a small knife and cut veggies for stews and soups. They
could knead bread, pour, measure, stir. If they didn't want to help in the
kitchen they could bring their toys into the kitchen area and continue their
play there. I can't tell you the number of times that I had wooden trains
circling my legs while I cooked!

If I wanted to do something else and they wanted to continue a story line
(this was also something that my oldest did until she got a sibling) I would
invite her to act out her play in my presence (sounds like royalty, eh?)
while I knit, stamped, scrapbooked, played endless games of Mahjong on our
old MacPlus (did I just age myself?)

Sometimes being part of their world means inviting them into your world.





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In a message dated 3/30/2006 8:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

Usually the story line is about a baby needing help in some way or another.
Occasionally it has to do with some kind of tea party or eating. If she's
seem an episode of Dora recently then some aspects might mirror the show
she's seen, like for a couple of weeks it was always the baby is lost and
needs to find it's mama like several of the Dora episodes. Most of the time
there's nothing necessarily that I'd rather be playing, I just get bored of
playing. She wants to play for a good hour several times a day.
Occasionally the problem is that I'd like to have a minute to myself to
cook a meal, check e-mail, shower, etc. and she gets very upset if I don't
play with her.




*********************
Frankly, some adults are better at doing that kind of play with their kids
than others. Many adults enjoy some of their children's stages of development
more than others. And my experience is that only children need a bit more of
that adult interaction (maybe mostly because a suitable playmate isn't
conveniently sitting around the house.

I'm sure you're already connecting up with other kids to play with. But have
you thought of checking around for somebody like a kind pre- or young teen
who likes small children and would like experience for future babysitting? You
could be in the house doing some other things, and he or she will play with
your daughter.

Kathryn

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Misty Felner

RE: If I wanted to do something else and they wanted to continue a story
line
(this was also something that my oldest did until she got a sibling) I would
invite her to act out her play in my presence



Can you explain this more. DD loves to play in the morning when we get up
and when it's time to go make/eat breakfast she nearly has a meltdown if I
leave our story line play.



Misty



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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pampered Chef
Michelle
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Unschooling my 2.5 y.o.



On 3/29/06, Misty Felner <misty@...> wrote:
>
> She wants to play for a good hour several times a day.
> Occasionally the problem is that I'd like to have a minute to myself to
> cook a meal, check e-mail, shower, etc. and she gets very upset if I don't
> play with her.


I would sometimes tell my children, "I can only play for 15 minutes as I
have something I need/want to do." I would often invite my children to join
me in what *I* wanted/needed to do. For instance if it was cook a meal, I
would find ways to incorporate them. Before my kids were even 2yo they were
standing on a chair at the table slicing olives, mushrooms, strawberries,
etc with an egg slicer (Yes; Pampered Chef - but it was long before I became
a Kitchen Consultant LOL!) They could wash veggies, core the eyes out of
potatoes of the hulls off strawberries using a corer. As they got older
they could use a small knife and cut veggies for stews and soups. They
could knead bread, pour, measure, stir. If they didn't want to help in the
kitchen they could bring their toys into the kitchen area and continue their
play there. I can't tell you the number of times that I had wooden trains
circling my legs while I cooked!

If I wanted to do something else and they wanted to continue a story line
(this was also something that my oldest did until she got a sibling) I would
invite her to act out her play in my presence (sounds like royalty, eh?)
while I knit, stamped, scrapbooked, played endless games of Mahjong on our
old MacPlus (did I just age myself?)

Sometimes being part of their world means inviting them into your world.





--
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Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
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Misty Felner

RE: But have you thought of checking around for somebody like a kind pre-
or young teen
who likes small children and would like experience for future babysitting?
You
could be in the house doing some other things, and he or she will play with
your daughter.



Good idea Kathryn, I have a teen neighbor that comes over once a week during
a sign language class I teach. Maybe I can find some good homeschoolers to
help or else wait for the summer. It seems the times I need help are during
school hours.



Misty

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Pampered Chef Michelle

On 3/30/06, Misty Felner <misty@...> wrote:
>
> RE: If I wanted to do something else and they wanted to continue a story
> line
> (this was also something that my oldest did until she got a sibling) I
> would
> invite her to act out her play in my presence
>
>
>
> Can you explain this more. DD loves to play in the morning when we get up
> and when it's time to go make/eat breakfast she nearly has a meltdown if I
> leave our story line play.


Basically I would preface the play with a time frame such as "I need to do
this at 1:00" or "We can play for 15 minutes." So she knew ahead of time
that I wasn't going to be there all day. But I would let her bring whatever
her story involved (dolls, stuffed animals, Lego people, clothespins) with
her and continue telling me the story. Or I would tell her to "act it out"
for me. I wasn't having to be actively involved, but listening enough to
know the story line and be able to ask questions or interject an idea or
thought. This worked for her because she was still with me and still
playing. What I found most often was that she would continue this storyline
play for 5-10 minutes before she became interested in what I was doing. I
found that it wasn't so much the play that she wanted but to be with me.
She found play to be the way to get me in her world. Once I was in her
world, we could expand that world to include my interests as well.

Now it seems like I am doing things in reverse. My kids love playing on the
Playstation. It totally is not something I even remotely would say excel
at! (Let's face it, I was a teen when Pacman and Atari came out and I can't
even play Pong! LOL!) But now I find myself sitting with a bowl of popcorn
trying to understand Kingdom Hearts (and they are right now play KH2) and
trying to get into their world. I understand their music, movies, dress,
lingo, but the video games escape me. Of course they find it all hilarious
when I play and die and play again and die and fall off cliffs and shoot the
good guy.





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Paige

Of course they find it all hilarious
> when I play and die and play again and die and fall off cliffs and
shoot the
> good guy.

LOL! That was always the greatest part of our mom playing with us
when we were children...one of our best memories is when she and her
sister were playing "Frogger"...it was absolutely the most hilarious
thing ever! They screamed every time they got run over and just
yelled and laughed trying to get their frogs across the road. :)
Thanks for reminding me of such a fun memory! :)
Paige

[email protected]

Rent a play companion!

Seriously. Find an available older child who likes playing pretend and is
willing to follow your child's direction, then pay them well to come play.
(probably you're looking for a girl, but don't discount boys, some really enjoy that
sort of play and do it well.) Check with local homeschooling groups,
unschooling groups, neighbors. (And if you're in Lake County IL, email me, I've got
just the kid for you! <g>)

It won't solve your problem everyday, but it will take off some of the
pressure.

It feels like you're going to be stuck there FOREVER at the time, but really,
it passes sooner than you can believe.

Deborah in IL

Jacqui Caruso

What an ingenius idea! That idea never even occured to me when my daughter
was younger and now that she is older (10) she can market herself for some
extra money for more Gameboy/Cube games.

Thanks for the great idea!
Jacqui in Dawsonville, GA


On 3/31/06, DACunefare@... <DACunefare@...> wrote:
>
> Rent a play companion!
>
> Seriously. Find an available older child who likes playing pretend and is
> willing to follow your child's direction, then pay them well to come play.
>
> (probably you're looking for a girl, but don't discount boys, some really
> enjoy that
> sort of play and do it well.) Check with local homeschooling groups,
> unschooling groups, neighbors. (And if you're in Lake County IL, email me,
> I've got
> just the kid for you! <g>)
>
> It won't solve your problem everyday, but it will take off some of the
> pressure.
>
> It feels like you're going to be stuck there FOREVER at the time, but
> really,
> it passes sooner than you can believe.
>
> Deborah in IL
>


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Pampered Chef Michelle

On 3/30/06, Paige <paigehughes1972@...> wrote:
>
> Of course they find it all hilarious
> > when I play and die and play again and die and fall off cliffs and
> shoot the
> > good guy.
>
> LOL! That was always the greatest part of our mom playing with us
> when we were children...one of our best memories is when she and her
> sister were playing "Frogger"...it was absolutely the most hilarious
> thing ever! They screamed every time they got run over and just
> yelled and laughed trying to get their frogs across the road. :)
> Thanks for reminding me of such a fun memory! :)
> Paige


Well, Paige, if you ever need a memory jog, come on down. That's me to a
T! There favorite thing is to have me play the pod racing section of Star
Wars Legos. I have crashed the pod racer in ways I'm sure the creators
never imagined!





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