some questions
charlesdanielle
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
I am exploring and reading alot about unschooling so I am new to it
all and this is one thing I am having trouble with. Any comments are
welcome.
Also,
I have a daughter in PS that I want to pull out for next year. She is
12. She has never been homeschooled/unschooled etc so it is a big
decision for me. I KNOW I will get alot of resistance as far as
family. My sister is graduating with a Masters in Education so she
can be a teacher, blah blah so you can understand her resistance. My
parents are very mainstream and not adaptable.
Another huge concern I have is that my daughters father and I are
seperated for 7 years now but still don't agree on a thing. I have not
told him my intentions to pull her out of school yet but I know I will
get resistance from him also. We have a family court order granting
me physical custody (she lives with me, visits him) but with joint
custody and decision making - which means educational decisions also.
What should I do??? Should I try to explain to him the
un/de-schooling or do I just tell him I will be homeschooling and come
up with stuff just to pacify him. I am so confused and scared. His
wife is a school teacher. Although I did find out by my daughter that
her brother homeschools his 3 kids so there is a slight chance that
they may understand. The way the systems and gov. are today I am
afraid to just pull her out of school, have him take me to court, and
lose custody over my daughter due to mainstream thinking that a child
should be in school, etc.
Sorry for rambling but my mind is on overload and it's starting to
hinder my deschooling decision and I don't want that to happen either.
Any advice, comments are welcomed.
Blessings,
Danielle mom of 3, dd 12, ds 2, dd 1
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
I am exploring and reading alot about unschooling so I am new to it
all and this is one thing I am having trouble with. Any comments are
welcome.
Also,
I have a daughter in PS that I want to pull out for next year. She is
12. She has never been homeschooled/unschooled etc so it is a big
decision for me. I KNOW I will get alot of resistance as far as
family. My sister is graduating with a Masters in Education so she
can be a teacher, blah blah so you can understand her resistance. My
parents are very mainstream and not adaptable.
Another huge concern I have is that my daughters father and I are
seperated for 7 years now but still don't agree on a thing. I have not
told him my intentions to pull her out of school yet but I know I will
get resistance from him also. We have a family court order granting
me physical custody (she lives with me, visits him) but with joint
custody and decision making - which means educational decisions also.
What should I do??? Should I try to explain to him the
un/de-schooling or do I just tell him I will be homeschooling and come
up with stuff just to pacify him. I am so confused and scared. His
wife is a school teacher. Although I did find out by my daughter that
her brother homeschools his 3 kids so there is a slight chance that
they may understand. The way the systems and gov. are today I am
afraid to just pull her out of school, have him take me to court, and
lose custody over my daughter due to mainstream thinking that a child
should be in school, etc.
Sorry for rambling but my mind is on overload and it's starting to
hinder my deschooling decision and I don't want that to happen either.
Any advice, comments are welcomed.
Blessings,
Danielle mom of 3, dd 12, ds 2, dd 1
Deb
--- In [email protected], "charlesdanielle"
<charlesdanielle@...> wrote:
whatever you make available. So make a tray with some cut up cheese,
fruit, crackers, etc. What not to do is buy a huge pack of M&Ms and
limit him to 4 per day (or whatever). If you've got M&Ms, put some
out in a small snack cup (rinse out the plastic fruit cup cups,
makes great snack size portion cups) ALONG WITH the cheese and fruit
and etc. Yes, they'll probably disappear first...but then the cheese
and fruit will also eventually (unless you put out something he just
doesn't like). Food is food...it's balance that matters. Balance and
attitude. If some food is 'bad' then there's a whole psychology
of "I'm not supposed to. But I like it. I feel guilty" Food should
never be tied to guilt. Food should be food. And, kids are naturally
balanced UNTIL we start placing value judgements on things and
limiting this and that. I rad an article a few years ago in
Parenting magazing by a mom who is also a pediatrician. She was
concerned about her kids' eating patterns (one kid appeared to be
living on macaroni, morning noon and night). So, she tracked
everything going into their mouths - including water, juice, etc -
everything, for one month (note kids typically balance over a longer
period than 3 square meals per day). At the end of the time she
checked and they pretty well balanced out on all counts - vitamins,
protein, carbs, etc. Another study with kids around 4 - 10 (or
something I forget the exact age parameters) checked height, weight,
etc of the kids and let them at a buffet every day 3 meals per day.
Buffet was everything from sliced oranges to cake, fruit, veggies,
meats, cheeses, candy, ice cream, etc. They could take and eat as
much of whatever as they chose. They were monitored with videotape
cameras and regular medical check-ins. And yes, for about a day or
three they went heavy on cake and ice cream. Then one kid in
particular started loading his plate with nothing but oranges, piles
of sliced oranges, and downing them like there was no tomorrow. In
evaluation (they checked with parents about life stuff going on),
they found out that he had been exposed to a cold and his body was
telling him to fight it. What made this study more interesting to me
was that I have *seen* this behavior in my son. He was maybe 2 1/2
and went through days of eating oranges and more oranges (my fingers
were dyed orange from peeling them!). Then he got a runny nose, then
it was gone in all of maybe 2 days while those around were coming
down with a cold that took a week or more to dissipate. Ensure the
health of our kids is tied up with not destroying the balance they
were designed with by imposing our own constructions on them. Sweet
is a built-in - that's how to tell if something is 'safe' in the
wild generally speaking. Sweet is carrots and sweet potatoes and
squash (I had an orange skinned boy for a short time when he was a
tot lol). Sweet is bell pepper and fruits of all kinds. we've got a
bowl full of assorted Hershey's Kisses on our kitchen table. My 7
1/2 yr old, well able to reach whatever he chooses, has barely
touched them. He has however been asking for egg and cheese omelette
sandwiches regularly. Something we did when he was about 4 or 5 was
note that he did seem to have very little frustration tolerance if
he hadn't eaten some protein/carbs together for a while. So, when I
saw the *early* signs of a problem, I'd proactively ask him or, just
bring him, a favorite thing like string cheese or PBJ or whatever.
And, we'd talk about it "I see you are starting to get really
frustrated more than usual. Protein foods seem to have helped you
with that in the past. Would you like strawberry or grape on a PBJ?"
over time (and we were rarely that wordy, but all I've got here
online is words), he started himself connecting the rising
frustration feeling with the need to get specific kinds of food. So,
he requested we list 'protein' foods on the chalkboard so he
could 'do it himself' and pick what he wanted. By request we also
have a list of potassium rich foods (relatd to discussion of blood
pressure and sodium/potassium balance). He's gotten quite adept now
(he's 7 1/2) in coming up with combinations that have protein,
potassium, etc assorted blockbuster combos with lots of nutrition in
a tasty handy package
--Deb
(can't comment on pulling a child or the family issues since DS has
never been schooled, and both families are great)
<charlesdanielle@...> wrote:
>etc?
> Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
> sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
> difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache
> My son would eat junk all day.What does a 2 yr old have *access* to? They're pretty dependent on
whatever you make available. So make a tray with some cut up cheese,
fruit, crackers, etc. What not to do is buy a huge pack of M&Ms and
limit him to 4 per day (or whatever). If you've got M&Ms, put some
out in a small snack cup (rinse out the plastic fruit cup cups,
makes great snack size portion cups) ALONG WITH the cheese and fruit
and etc. Yes, they'll probably disappear first...but then the cheese
and fruit will also eventually (unless you put out something he just
doesn't like). Food is food...it's balance that matters. Balance and
attitude. If some food is 'bad' then there's a whole psychology
of "I'm not supposed to. But I like it. I feel guilty" Food should
never be tied to guilt. Food should be food. And, kids are naturally
balanced UNTIL we start placing value judgements on things and
limiting this and that. I rad an article a few years ago in
Parenting magazing by a mom who is also a pediatrician. She was
concerned about her kids' eating patterns (one kid appeared to be
living on macaroni, morning noon and night). So, she tracked
everything going into their mouths - including water, juice, etc -
everything, for one month (note kids typically balance over a longer
period than 3 square meals per day). At the end of the time she
checked and they pretty well balanced out on all counts - vitamins,
protein, carbs, etc. Another study with kids around 4 - 10 (or
something I forget the exact age parameters) checked height, weight,
etc of the kids and let them at a buffet every day 3 meals per day.
Buffet was everything from sliced oranges to cake, fruit, veggies,
meats, cheeses, candy, ice cream, etc. They could take and eat as
much of whatever as they chose. They were monitored with videotape
cameras and regular medical check-ins. And yes, for about a day or
three they went heavy on cake and ice cream. Then one kid in
particular started loading his plate with nothing but oranges, piles
of sliced oranges, and downing them like there was no tomorrow. In
evaluation (they checked with parents about life stuff going on),
they found out that he had been exposed to a cold and his body was
telling him to fight it. What made this study more interesting to me
was that I have *seen* this behavior in my son. He was maybe 2 1/2
and went through days of eating oranges and more oranges (my fingers
were dyed orange from peeling them!). Then he got a runny nose, then
it was gone in all of maybe 2 days while those around were coming
down with a cold that took a week or more to dissipate. Ensure the
health of our kids is tied up with not destroying the balance they
were designed with by imposing our own constructions on them. Sweet
is a built-in - that's how to tell if something is 'safe' in the
wild generally speaking. Sweet is carrots and sweet potatoes and
squash (I had an orange skinned boy for a short time when he was a
tot lol). Sweet is bell pepper and fruits of all kinds. we've got a
bowl full of assorted Hershey's Kisses on our kitchen table. My 7
1/2 yr old, well able to reach whatever he chooses, has barely
touched them. He has however been asking for egg and cheese omelette
sandwiches regularly. Something we did when he was about 4 or 5 was
note that he did seem to have very little frustration tolerance if
he hadn't eaten some protein/carbs together for a while. So, when I
saw the *early* signs of a problem, I'd proactively ask him or, just
bring him, a favorite thing like string cheese or PBJ or whatever.
And, we'd talk about it "I see you are starting to get really
frustrated more than usual. Protein foods seem to have helped you
with that in the past. Would you like strawberry or grape on a PBJ?"
over time (and we were rarely that wordy, but all I've got here
online is words), he started himself connecting the rising
frustration feeling with the need to get specific kinds of food. So,
he requested we list 'protein' foods on the chalkboard so he
could 'do it himself' and pick what he wanted. By request we also
have a list of potassium rich foods (relatd to discussion of blood
pressure and sodium/potassium balance). He's gotten quite adept now
(he's 7 1/2) in coming up with combinations that have protein,
potassium, etc assorted blockbuster combos with lots of nutrition in
a tasty handy package
--Deb
(can't comment on pulling a child or the family issues since DS has
never been schooled, and both families are great)
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:26:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charlesdanielle@... writes:
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
*********
Hi Danielle! Our experience with food is a bit different than most, so I
thought I would share what we do. I was a non-controlling food person from the
beginning, my brother and step-dad fought about food all the time and I was
never going to make it an issue in my home. But, although it has taken a
long time to really understand all the details, both of my children are food
sensitive/reactive and have trouble self-regulating. I have tried to figure
out how to achieve my first goal of non-control and keeping them healthy and
limit their problem foods.
I keep a good supply of their favorite and "safe" foods with easy access.
They are free to eat as much as they like of these, whenever they like. Foods
that they have trouble regulating, like cookies, I might put a typical
serving size in a ziplock bag and only have a bag or two with their names with
easy access.
When we go to the store, I ask them to pick a set number of treats. So,
kool-aid, sugary cereal, candy and cookies all fall under the same category. We
talk a lot about healthy choices and that it is a good idea to make some
healthy choices every day. I talk a lot about my own choices. I might say out
loud "I'm feeling XXXX, I think I'll eat some XXXX to feel better" or "I
think I ate too much XXXX because I'm feeling XXXX." After they have had a food
related bad experience, I might say "I notice you were feeling XXXX, maybe it
was that XXXX you ate." Depending on the circumstances, I do different
things with a problem food. Examples: find a good substitute (different brand
sometimes is all it takes), use homeopathy and other alternative aids, have on
hand a special favorite to offer instead. I always try to make it about
solving the food mystery, not blame the child.
Most recently, I have started using food enzymes created for autism
spectrum. One of the products is specifically for a gluten/casien free diet. I have
seen really positive results in both of my children and myself, even though
we have never really considered a GFCF diet! Information can be found at
_www.enzymestuff.com_ (http://www.enzymestuff.com) .
Hope something in here might be useful!
Leslie in SC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
charlesdanielle@... writes:
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
*********
Hi Danielle! Our experience with food is a bit different than most, so I
thought I would share what we do. I was a non-controlling food person from the
beginning, my brother and step-dad fought about food all the time and I was
never going to make it an issue in my home. But, although it has taken a
long time to really understand all the details, both of my children are food
sensitive/reactive and have trouble self-regulating. I have tried to figure
out how to achieve my first goal of non-control and keeping them healthy and
limit their problem foods.
I keep a good supply of their favorite and "safe" foods with easy access.
They are free to eat as much as they like of these, whenever they like. Foods
that they have trouble regulating, like cookies, I might put a typical
serving size in a ziplock bag and only have a bag or two with their names with
easy access.
When we go to the store, I ask them to pick a set number of treats. So,
kool-aid, sugary cereal, candy and cookies all fall under the same category. We
talk a lot about healthy choices and that it is a good idea to make some
healthy choices every day. I talk a lot about my own choices. I might say out
loud "I'm feeling XXXX, I think I'll eat some XXXX to feel better" or "I
think I ate too much XXXX because I'm feeling XXXX." After they have had a food
related bad experience, I might say "I notice you were feeling XXXX, maybe it
was that XXXX you ate." Depending on the circumstances, I do different
things with a problem food. Examples: find a good substitute (different brand
sometimes is all it takes), use homeopathy and other alternative aids, have on
hand a special favorite to offer instead. I always try to make it about
solving the food mystery, not blame the child.
Most recently, I have started using food enzymes created for autism
spectrum. One of the products is specifically for a gluten/casien free diet. I have
seen really positive results in both of my children and myself, even though
we have never really considered a GFCF diet! Information can be found at
_www.enzymestuff.com_ (http://www.enzymestuff.com) .
Hope something in here might be useful!
Leslie in SC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Lesa McMahon-Lowe
well, being that this isn't a radical unschooling list, you won't get a lot
of negative reaction to your need to control your children in any way.
unschooling basics kind-of gives you room to grow in your lives as
unschoolers.
my whole issue is this... if you don't want your children eating "junk" food
on a regular basis, then why do you have the junk food in your homes? why
the different rules for yourselves and your children. if you want your
children to eat healthy on a regular basis, then you must show by example.
unschoolers don't live the "do as I say, not as I do" mantra.
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks.<<<
is it enforce or force? and the only responsibility we have is to SHOW our
children how to live... not to force them to live a life different than what
they see in front of them everyday.
Lesa
-------Original Message-------
From: Leslie530@...
Date: 02/27/06 10:18:10
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] some questions
In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:26:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charlesdanielle@... writes:
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
of negative reaction to your need to control your children in any way.
unschooling basics kind-of gives you room to grow in your lives as
unschoolers.
my whole issue is this... if you don't want your children eating "junk" food
on a regular basis, then why do you have the junk food in your homes? why
the different rules for yourselves and your children. if you want your
children to eat healthy on a regular basis, then you must show by example.
unschoolers don't live the "do as I say, not as I do" mantra.
>>>I don't know who posted a while backand they said that it was their responsibility as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks.<<<
is it enforce or force? and the only responsibility we have is to SHOW our
children how to live... not to force them to live a life different than what
they see in front of them everyday.
Lesa
-------Original Message-------
From: Leslie530@...
Date: 02/27/06 10:18:10
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] some questions
In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:26:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charlesdanielle@... writes:
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
>>well, being that this isn't a radical unschooling list,>>It's not? I'm a radical unschooler. :o) I know that Ren and Kelly are and they own the list.
>>you won't get a lotof negative reaction to your need to control your children in any way.>>
Hmm...this is a supportive list, yes. But I don't think that extends to supporting parenting that can detract from unschooling. Wanting to control your children would not help form a trusting, unschooling household.
I totally agree with what you posted about modelling the behaviors we'd like to encourage in our kids. I just wanted to point out that that *is* radical unschooling.
--
~Mary
"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."
~Thich Nhat Hanh
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lesa McMahon-Lowe" <lesajm@...>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ren Allen
"well, being that this isn't a radical unschooling list, you won't get
a lot of negative reaction to your need to control your children in
any way."
I'm not sure what led to this impression, since most of the regulars
and both moderators and owners are radical unschoolers!!:)
We try to gently point people towards radical unschooling since it IS
a beginners list. I bite my tongue a lot when I read some
posts...I'll admit. There are a lot of posts I just don't hit the
"send" button on!!
In the list description it says "... this is a place for you to
discuss,question, ponder and become deeply familiar with natural
learning and how it affects our ENTIRE lives. From parenting issues to
learning from the whole wide world and beyond...."
We're here to explode the myths about traditional parenting, we're
here to tell you that you CAN give your child freedom to choose and
they will be fine, we're here to say that controlling food,
controlling tv/video games etc... is NOT going to help unschooling unfold.
It's up to each person what they use and don't use here. Nobody is
here to tell you how to run your household, just offer up useful
advice that could potentially be lifechanging.
I think every step closer to unschooling is a step closer to better
relationships and more joyful/peaceful households...so it's all good.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
a lot of negative reaction to your need to control your children in
any way."
I'm not sure what led to this impression, since most of the regulars
and both moderators and owners are radical unschoolers!!:)
We try to gently point people towards radical unschooling since it IS
a beginners list. I bite my tongue a lot when I read some
posts...I'll admit. There are a lot of posts I just don't hit the
"send" button on!!
In the list description it says "... this is a place for you to
discuss,question, ponder and become deeply familiar with natural
learning and how it affects our ENTIRE lives. From parenting issues to
learning from the whole wide world and beyond...."
We're here to explode the myths about traditional parenting, we're
here to tell you that you CAN give your child freedom to choose and
they will be fine, we're here to say that controlling food,
controlling tv/video games etc... is NOT going to help unschooling unfold.
It's up to each person what they use and don't use here. Nobody is
here to tell you how to run your household, just offer up useful
advice that could potentially be lifechanging.
I think every step closer to unschooling is a step closer to better
relationships and more joyful/peaceful households...so it's all good.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
S Drag-teine
"When they are this young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them
to eat whatever all day?"
I have never forced my son to eat anything he didn't like or didn't think he
would like and he has always at least tried stuff. Even eats fish and lima
beans as his first choices off of the all you can eat place we go to.
However, I have a very picky 14 month old DD. When we started on solid food,
she would eat very little. A bite of this, a nibble of that... though it was
difficult we would go through everything in the house - try a hotdog, fruit
snack, piece of bread, cookie - surprise, surprise she likes sugary foods.
So that is a lot of what she would eat cookies, crackers, fruit snacks, etc.
of course we are backing it up with breastfeeding. Everyday was an
experiment for months and months... a bite of this - a nibble of that.
Never thinking she would like raw veggies - her five 1/2 yo brother still
prefers cooked if I can get him to eat them at all. I was eating a carrot
and she grabbed it. I put my hand out (a tactic I learned if she doesn't
like something she just hands it back instead of throwing it on the floor).
She looked at me, thought of giving it back and chewed on it and ate it all.
Even today, I gave her a few fruit snacks and she handed them back. She
preferred to have some cheese and a bit of her brother's hotdog and a small
slice of the banana bread her brother made.
Shannon
Melaleuca Customer
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of charlesdanielle
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] some questions
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
I am exploring and reading alot about unschooling so I am new to it
all and this is one thing I am having trouble with. Any comments are
welcome.
Also,
I have a daughter in PS that I want to pull out for next year. She is
12. She has never been homeschooled/unschooled etc so it is a big
decision for me. I KNOW I will get alot of resistance as far as
family. My sister is graduating with a Masters in Education so she
can be a teacher, blah blah so you can understand her resistance. My
parents are very mainstream and not adaptable.
Another huge concern I have is that my daughters father and I are
seperated for 7 years now but still don't agree on a thing. I have not
told him my intentions to pull her out of school yet but I know I will
get resistance from him also. We have a family court order granting
me physical custody (she lives with me, visits him) but with joint
custody and decision making - which means educational decisions also.
What should I do??? Should I try to explain to him the
un/de-schooling or do I just tell him I will be homeschooling and come
up with stuff just to pacify him. I am so confused and scared. His
wife is a school teacher. Although I did find out by my daughter that
her brother homeschools his 3 kids so there is a slight chance that
they may understand. The way the systems and gov. are today I am
afraid to just pull her out of school, have him take me to court, and
lose custody over my daughter due to mainstream thinking that a child
should be in school, etc.
Sorry for rambling but my mind is on overload and it's starting to
hinder my deschooling decision and I don't want that to happen either.
Any advice, comments are welcomed.
Blessings,
Danielle mom of 3, dd 12, ds 2, dd 1
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to eat whatever all day?"
I have never forced my son to eat anything he didn't like or didn't think he
would like and he has always at least tried stuff. Even eats fish and lima
beans as his first choices off of the all you can eat place we go to.
However, I have a very picky 14 month old DD. When we started on solid food,
she would eat very little. A bite of this, a nibble of that... though it was
difficult we would go through everything in the house - try a hotdog, fruit
snack, piece of bread, cookie - surprise, surprise she likes sugary foods.
So that is a lot of what she would eat cookies, crackers, fruit snacks, etc.
of course we are backing it up with breastfeeding. Everyday was an
experiment for months and months... a bite of this - a nibble of that.
Never thinking she would like raw veggies - her five 1/2 yo brother still
prefers cooked if I can get him to eat them at all. I was eating a carrot
and she grabbed it. I put my hand out (a tactic I learned if she doesn't
like something she just hands it back instead of throwing it on the floor).
She looked at me, thought of giving it back and chewed on it and ate it all.
Even today, I gave her a few fruit snacks and she handed them back. She
preferred to have some cheese and a bit of her brother's hotdog and a small
slice of the banana bread her brother made.
Shannon
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of charlesdanielle
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] some questions
Hi, I have been reading many of the posts regarding food intake,
sugar, etc. What about a 2 year old who really doesn't know the
difference between what's going to give him a stomach/head ache etc?
My son would eat junk all day. I don't know who posted a while back
and they said that it was their responsibilty as a parent to ensure
the health of their child. I feel the same. I can't imagine what my
son would be like if I didn't enforce healthy food and snacks. I
notice when he does have sugary snacks, cookies, etc. he gets mean and
yells, hits, and his entire attitude changes. When they are this
young what do you do or say to them? Do you allow them to eat
whatever all day?
I am exploring and reading alot about unschooling so I am new to it
all and this is one thing I am having trouble with. Any comments are
welcome.
Also,
I have a daughter in PS that I want to pull out for next year. She is
12. She has never been homeschooled/unschooled etc so it is a big
decision for me. I KNOW I will get alot of resistance as far as
family. My sister is graduating with a Masters in Education so she
can be a teacher, blah blah so you can understand her resistance. My
parents are very mainstream and not adaptable.
Another huge concern I have is that my daughters father and I are
seperated for 7 years now but still don't agree on a thing. I have not
told him my intentions to pull her out of school yet but I know I will
get resistance from him also. We have a family court order granting
me physical custody (she lives with me, visits him) but with joint
custody and decision making - which means educational decisions also.
What should I do??? Should I try to explain to him the
un/de-schooling or do I just tell him I will be homeschooling and come
up with stuff just to pacify him. I am so confused and scared. His
wife is a school teacher. Although I did find out by my daughter that
her brother homeschools his 3 kids so there is a slight chance that
they may understand. The way the systems and gov. are today I am
afraid to just pull her out of school, have him take me to court, and
lose custody over my daughter due to mainstream thinking that a child
should be in school, etc.
Sorry for rambling but my mind is on overload and it's starting to
hinder my deschooling decision and I don't want that to happen either.
Any advice, comments are welcomed.
Blessings,
Danielle mom of 3, dd 12, ds 2, dd 1
Yahoo! Groups Links
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingbasics/
[email protected]
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[email protected]
>>I think every step closer to unschooling is a step closer to better relationships and more joyful/peaceful households...>>And every step we take towards better relationships and more joyful/peaceful households is a step closer to unschooling.
It all connects so seamlessly. :o)
--
~Mary
"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the
green earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly
alive."
~Thich Nhat Hanh
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...>
Lesa McMahon-Lowe
Ren,
Sorry if it sounded weird the way I wrote it... the thing is, is that I do
belong to other Radical Homeschooling lists and they will come down very
hard on certain things. This list because it helps to redirect "school"
thinking and coercive parenting in a way that is more forgiving, is not seen
as a radical unschooling list. Many newbies may not even know what Radical
Unschooling is and what it entails.
And, like you, there are many many times where I don't respond when I want
to and/or rewrite my replies because I keep the "basics" in
unschoolingbasics in mind. I realize that there are many who come here who
don't even have a grasp on what unschooling is at all. I most certainly don
t want to scare anyone away by getting radical on them until they seek it.
Lesa
-------Original Message-------
From: Ren Allen
Date: 02/27/06 19:34:10
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] some questions
"well, being that this isn't a radical unschooling list, you won't get
a lot of negative reaction to your need to control your children in
any way."
I'm not sure what led to this impression, since most of the regulars
and both moderators and owners are radical unschoolers!!:)
We try to gently point people towards radical unschooling since it IS
a beginners list. I bite my tongue a lot when I read some
posts...I'll admit. There are a lot of posts I just don't hit the
"send" button on!!
In the list description it says "... this is a place for you to
discuss,question, ponder and become deeply familiar with natural
learning and how it affects our ENTIRE lives. From parenting issues to
learning from the whole wide world and beyond...."
We're here to explode the myths about traditional parenting, we're
here to tell you that you CAN give your child freedom to choose and
they will be fine, we're here to say that controlling food,
controlling tv/video games etc... is NOT going to help unschooling unfold.
It's up to each person what they use and don't use here. Nobody is
here to tell you how to run your household, just offer up useful
advice that could potentially be lifechanging.
I think every step closer to unschooling is a step closer to better
relationships and more joyful/peaceful households...so it's all good.:)
Ren
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Sorry if it sounded weird the way I wrote it... the thing is, is that I do
belong to other Radical Homeschooling lists and they will come down very
hard on certain things. This list because it helps to redirect "school"
thinking and coercive parenting in a way that is more forgiving, is not seen
as a radical unschooling list. Many newbies may not even know what Radical
Unschooling is and what it entails.
And, like you, there are many many times where I don't respond when I want
to and/or rewrite my replies because I keep the "basics" in
unschoolingbasics in mind. I realize that there are many who come here who
don't even have a grasp on what unschooling is at all. I most certainly don
t want to scare anyone away by getting radical on them until they seek it.
Lesa
-------Original Message-------
From: Ren Allen
Date: 02/27/06 19:34:10
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] some questions
"well, being that this isn't a radical unschooling list, you won't get
a lot of negative reaction to your need to control your children in
any way."
I'm not sure what led to this impression, since most of the regulars
and both moderators and owners are radical unschoolers!!:)
We try to gently point people towards radical unschooling since it IS
a beginners list. I bite my tongue a lot when I read some
posts...I'll admit. There are a lot of posts I just don't hit the
"send" button on!!
In the list description it says "... this is a place for you to
discuss,question, ponder and become deeply familiar with natural
learning and how it affects our ENTIRE lives. From parenting issues to
learning from the whole wide world and beyond...."
We're here to explode the myths about traditional parenting, we're
here to tell you that you CAN give your child freedom to choose and
they will be fine, we're here to say that controlling food,
controlling tv/video games etc... is NOT going to help unschooling unfold.
It's up to each person what they use and don't use here. Nobody is
here to tell you how to run your household, just offer up useful
advice that could potentially be lifechanging.
I think every step closer to unschooling is a step closer to better
relationships and more joyful/peaceful households...so it's all good.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
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