unschooling questions
sandralzires
Thank you all for the sincere posts. I am glad so many responded.
Can anyone tell me though, how radical unschooling parents monitor
health without "enforcing" good eating habits? My children are
unvaccinated, a major reason I pay close attention to how much junk
food they consume.
I understand the concept that guiding children and allowing them to
make their own choices in the long run is ideal, however, I am
ultimately held accountable for their health/safety. At 2, 5, and &
7 they have no concept that unhealthy food can = illness. In
theory, my older ones understand the concept, but sugar is sugar and
it's really hard to turn down. Lets face it; most of us have our
own food addictions too.
Anyone want to comment on the cleaning up after kids issue? I have
been doing this for several years. My children do not and will not
clean their messes. It is a ton of work on me. They don't care if
our living area is messy. I believe people function much better in
a clean environment. I'm not a tyrant by any means; I just like to
not be lost in clutter. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Sandra in Nashville
Can anyone tell me though, how radical unschooling parents monitor
health without "enforcing" good eating habits? My children are
unvaccinated, a major reason I pay close attention to how much junk
food they consume.
I understand the concept that guiding children and allowing them to
make their own choices in the long run is ideal, however, I am
ultimately held accountable for their health/safety. At 2, 5, and &
7 they have no concept that unhealthy food can = illness. In
theory, my older ones understand the concept, but sugar is sugar and
it's really hard to turn down. Lets face it; most of us have our
own food addictions too.
Anyone want to comment on the cleaning up after kids issue? I have
been doing this for several years. My children do not and will not
clean their messes. It is a ton of work on me. They don't care if
our living area is messy. I believe people function much better in
a clean environment. I'm not a tyrant by any means; I just like to
not be lost in clutter. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Sandra in Nashville
Manisha Kher
--- sandralzires <sandralzires@...> wrote:
enough to be on medication for several years. She is
recently off of medication. So eating healthy is very
important to us. The trick is to have a lot of healthy
choices available. We buy lots of whole grain foods
and cereals. We bake our own whole wheat flour
cookies.
We have baby carrots and cherry tomatoes sitting in
the fridge.
We talk a lot about fibre and protein content of
foods. Sometimes my kids ask for some high-sugar
low-fibre cereals. I buy them, but explain to them
that nutritionally that's no different than eating
candy. I don't try to control how much sugar they get,
but I do try to ensure that they get adequate protein
and fibre. That does sometimes mean saying "after you
finish your cereal (or PBJ sandwhich...)". But I think
it's better than saying No.
kids help only if they see a reason to cleanup, namely
if we're going to have company. Or to make room for
another messy game. But honestly, I remember my mother
asking me to cleanup what looked to me like a
perfectly fine room. And not everyone functions better
in a clean environment. I've a very high tolerence for
mess and can find what I need in my own mess.
Manisha
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> Thank you all for the sincere posts. I am glad soMy daughter has a chronic constipation problem, severe
> many responded.
>
> Can anyone tell me though, how radical unschooling
> parents monitor
> health without "enforcing" good eating habits?
enough to be on medication for several years. She is
recently off of medication. So eating healthy is very
important to us. The trick is to have a lot of healthy
choices available. We buy lots of whole grain foods
and cereals. We bake our own whole wheat flour
cookies.
We have baby carrots and cherry tomatoes sitting in
the fridge.
We talk a lot about fibre and protein content of
foods. Sometimes my kids ask for some high-sugar
low-fibre cereals. I buy them, but explain to them
that nutritionally that's no different than eating
candy. I don't try to control how much sugar they get,
but I do try to ensure that they get adequate protein
and fibre. That does sometimes mean saying "after you
finish your cereal (or PBJ sandwhich...)". But I think
it's better than saying No.
>Have you tried asking for help? It works sometimes. My
> Anyone want to comment on the cleaning up after kids
> issue? I have
> been doing this for several years. My children do
> not and will not
> clean their messes. It is a ton of work on me.
> They don't care if
> our living area is messy. I believe people function
> much better in
> a clean environment.
kids help only if they see a reason to cleanup, namely
if we're going to have company. Or to make room for
another messy game. But honestly, I remember my mother
asking me to cleanup what looked to me like a
perfectly fine room. And not everyone functions better
in a clean environment. I've a very high tolerence for
mess and can find what I need in my own mess.
Manisha
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Melissa
Why would eating junk food would be associated increasing likelihood
of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do! Be much more concerned about
washing their hands and hanging out with kids who have recently been
vaccinated! Our kids aren't vaccinated either, so I understand your
concerns, but it's not fair to equate sugar to illness. True, eating
too much at once can cause an upset stomach, but that's about the
extent of it. As long as they are eating other healthy foods, then I
would suggest that their immune systems will still be strong and
develop.
What we have is a tupperware divided party tray. It has six
compartments. Each one has stuff in it, today was animal crackers,
cheese cubes, raisons, orange slices, chocolate bars, and carrot
sticks. I keep it filled up all day. They will choose to eat those
healthy foods as well, because they are good, but if you're telling
them the only chocolate they are getting that day is right there, of
course they are going to gorge on that. I keep track of how much of
what the kids are eating. If I feel that they aren't eating enough
veggies, I obviously haven't offered the ones they like. We go out
and buy different kinds, same for fruits or carbs. Keep it cut up and
available. It will get eaten. Make sure that you are setting a good
example by eating healthy foods where they can see.
As you say, sugar is hard to turn down. Unless you've had the
opportunity to eat enough to get sick. As a personal example,
yesterday my mom made us a few dozen chocolate chip cookies. I ate
about eight of them. Not healthy, except for the fact that when I was
done, I had absolutely no desire for more cookies. I haven't had any
desire for them today. I've eaten my fill, and I trust that the kids
will reach the same point. Today I really really enjoyed my steamed
brocolli. I ate about two heads of it. Again, not a well-balanced
day, but over the course of a week, it's going to look okay. I like
the suggestion I first got when I joined. Just say 'why not' and let
them do it. Today the kids were asking me for giant pixi stixs first
thing. I put it clearly, 'I worry that if you eat that sugar on an
empty stomach, you won't feel well enough to play'. Sometimes they
don't care, they want it then. This morning Rachel said "Hm, I see
your point. Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
On the cleaning. I think that kids this young still need primarily
someone else to be cleaning. At the very least they need someone to
clean with...rather than being forced to do it alone. I don't demand
that my kids help, but usually when I ask them to do something, they
are more than happy to! Not always, but usually. Eh, hope this helps,
I'm fairly new at this myself, and I'm sure others will have more to
say!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do! Be much more concerned about
washing their hands and hanging out with kids who have recently been
vaccinated! Our kids aren't vaccinated either, so I understand your
concerns, but it's not fair to equate sugar to illness. True, eating
too much at once can cause an upset stomach, but that's about the
extent of it. As long as they are eating other healthy foods, then I
would suggest that their immune systems will still be strong and
develop.
What we have is a tupperware divided party tray. It has six
compartments. Each one has stuff in it, today was animal crackers,
cheese cubes, raisons, orange slices, chocolate bars, and carrot
sticks. I keep it filled up all day. They will choose to eat those
healthy foods as well, because they are good, but if you're telling
them the only chocolate they are getting that day is right there, of
course they are going to gorge on that. I keep track of how much of
what the kids are eating. If I feel that they aren't eating enough
veggies, I obviously haven't offered the ones they like. We go out
and buy different kinds, same for fruits or carbs. Keep it cut up and
available. It will get eaten. Make sure that you are setting a good
example by eating healthy foods where they can see.
As you say, sugar is hard to turn down. Unless you've had the
opportunity to eat enough to get sick. As a personal example,
yesterday my mom made us a few dozen chocolate chip cookies. I ate
about eight of them. Not healthy, except for the fact that when I was
done, I had absolutely no desire for more cookies. I haven't had any
desire for them today. I've eaten my fill, and I trust that the kids
will reach the same point. Today I really really enjoyed my steamed
brocolli. I ate about two heads of it. Again, not a well-balanced
day, but over the course of a week, it's going to look okay. I like
the suggestion I first got when I joined. Just say 'why not' and let
them do it. Today the kids were asking me for giant pixi stixs first
thing. I put it clearly, 'I worry that if you eat that sugar on an
empty stomach, you won't feel well enough to play'. Sometimes they
don't care, they want it then. This morning Rachel said "Hm, I see
your point. Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
On the cleaning. I think that kids this young still need primarily
someone else to be cleaning. At the very least they need someone to
clean with...rather than being forced to do it alone. I don't demand
that my kids help, but usually when I ask them to do something, they
are more than happy to! Not always, but usually. Eh, hope this helps,
I'm fairly new at this myself, and I'm sure others will have more to
say!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
On Feb 23, 2006, at 3:05 PM, sandralzires wrote:
> Thank you all for the sincere posts. I am glad so many responded.
>
> Can anyone tell me though, how radical unschooling parents monitor
> health without "enforcing" good eating habits? My children are
> unvaccinated, a major reason I pay close attention to how much junk
> food they consume.
>
> I understand the concept that guiding children and allowing them to
> make their own choices in the long run is ideal, however, I am
> ultimately held accountable for their health/safety. At 2, 5, and &
> 7 they have no concept that unhealthy food can = illness. In
> theory, my older ones understand the concept, but sugar is sugar and
> it's really hard to turn down. Lets face it; most of us have our
> own food addictions too.
Nicole Willoughby
Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
However, she generaly eats whatever sugary stuff she wants right before a meal...she says "it feels better that way"
She is a picky eater and has only a small selection of foods she likes to eat but she does cover all the food groups over the week . I do give her a vitamin pill but figure shell be fine.
nicole
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then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I sometimes really wonder if there are any studies done about blood sugar spikes and the order food is eaten or whatever. My oldest thinks there should be dessert with lunch and dinner I dont really plan desserts but there is almost always candy , cookies, a pie we have baked whatever.
However, she generaly eats whatever sugary stuff she wants right before a meal...she says "it feels better that way"
She is a picky eater and has only a small selection of foods she likes to eat but she does cover all the food groups over the week . I do give her a vitamin pill but figure shell be fine.
nicole
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The concern, in my opinion, is more about the body not have the right nutrition to draw on when illness does strike, as well as the impact of sugar and inactivity in developing diabetes. Illness is more than just throwing up, or green runny noses. Illness is the body not working properly, and it can't do that if it's clogged up with sugars and chemical additives and the like.
I'm transitioning to a raw vegan diet right now because I'm sick, and a poor diet has been part of it. While eating SAD (Standard American Diet) I am overweight, have chronic fatique symptoms, depression, bad skin and am prediabetic. When I eat raw, my aches and pains go away, I'm not moody or depressed, and my skin clears up.
My children and I talk often about how foods are fuel for the body, and keeping the body healthy. They have freedom in what they eat, and most of the time they choose fruits over sweets.
I hope that helps some!
Beth, NC
Melissa <autismhelp@...> wrote:
Why would eating junk food would be associated increasing likelihood
of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do!
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I'm transitioning to a raw vegan diet right now because I'm sick, and a poor diet has been part of it. While eating SAD (Standard American Diet) I am overweight, have chronic fatique symptoms, depression, bad skin and am prediabetic. When I eat raw, my aches and pains go away, I'm not moody or depressed, and my skin clears up.
My children and I talk often about how foods are fuel for the body, and keeping the body healthy. They have freedom in what they eat, and most of the time they choose fruits over sweets.
I hope that helps some!
Beth, NC
Melissa <autismhelp@...> wrote:
Why would eating junk food would be associated increasing likelihood
of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do!
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S Drag-teine
After my neighbor's granddaughter died of cancer - her mother because aware
of a program on television. It was a while back it might have been on CNN or
CBC, the program was called toxic soup and it talked about the toxic
household chemicals we use every day. This information caused her to search
further and lead her to the NIH website about household toxins.
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/products.htm
"If you really care about your son you'll check it out..." that is what Lynn
told me. Of course, I put it off and put it off. I had better things to
think about but eventually as I was using my typical all purpose cleaner -
my favorite back then was 409. I got a headache and sat down with my laptop
to check my email and Lynn had sent me an email asking if I had checked the
website. I thought no but if it is that important to her I would look into
it.
Well, I got to the site and looked around for a few minutes thinking there
was too much to look at, then I thought about the cleaner I use and thought
I would look just that up. It was really the only thing I used and if it was
fine then my son would be fine, right.
You could look it up on your own but to save you time I will give it to you.
After all, we are all busy and that is what kept me from looking in the
first place. I didn't have enough time.
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands
<http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id
=3007011> &id=3007011
Formula 409 Spray All Purpose Cleaner - I used it every where...
Acute Health Effects: From MSDS
Mild eye irritant. Overexposure to this product may cause the Worker
Exposure Limit if ethylene glycol monobutyl ether to be exceeded. Reports
have associated blood and bone marrow damage with exposure to ethylene
glycol monobutyl ether. Substance can be absorbed through the skin and may
contribute to overall exposure. Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by
Exposure: None known. Under normal consumer use conditions the likelihood of
any adverse health effects is low.
After I read this I freaked, I called the company because I wanted to know
what normal use was in their definition. The customer service rep I talked
to said that that normal customer use was defined as once a week to not more
then five times per month. I don't know about anyone else but at the time my
son was three. He made daily messes as well as three cats and you combine
that will just general kitchen clean up. I was using it at least once a day.
I called Lynn and cried and she told me about a company that sold products
that are completely non-toxic, really work and were the same or less then
what I bought in the store. I have been a Melaleuca Customer ever since. I
am not trying to sell anyone anything but in light of what has been going on
lately as well as everyone's concern for their children's health - I feel
obliged to pass the info on. So, check out the information - if nothing
else. Look up the products you use, to clean your house and then look at the
ones your put in and on your body that you absorb through your skin.
So now you have the information - it up to you to decide what to do with it.
Shannon
Melaleuca Customer
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Melissa
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
Why would eating junk food would be associated increasing likelihood
of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do! Be much more concerned about
washing their hands and hanging out with kids who have recently been
vaccinated! Our kids aren't vaccinated either, so I understand your
concerns, but it's not fair to equate sugar to illness. True, eating
too much at once can cause an upset stomach, but that's about the
extent of it. As long as they are eating other healthy foods, then I
would suggest that their immune systems will still be strong and
develop.
What we have is a tupperware divided party tray. It has six
compartments. Each one has stuff in it, today was animal crackers,
cheese cubes, raisons, orange slices, chocolate bars, and carrot
sticks. I keep it filled up all day. They will choose to eat those
healthy foods as well, because they are good, but if you're telling
them the only chocolate they are getting that day is right there, of
course they are going to gorge on that. I keep track of how much of
what the kids are eating. If I feel that they aren't eating enough
veggies, I obviously haven't offered the ones they like. We go out
and buy different kinds, same for fruits or carbs. Keep it cut up and
available. It will get eaten. Make sure that you are setting a good
example by eating healthy foods where they can see.
As you say, sugar is hard to turn down. Unless you've had the
opportunity to eat enough to get sick. As a personal example,
yesterday my mom made us a few dozen chocolate chip cookies. I ate
about eight of them. Not healthy, except for the fact that when I was
done, I had absolutely no desire for more cookies. I haven't had any
desire for them today. I've eaten my fill, and I trust that the kids
will reach the same point. Today I really really enjoyed my steamed
brocolli. I ate about two heads of it. Again, not a well-balanced
day, but over the course of a week, it's going to look okay. I like
the suggestion I first got when I joined. Just say 'why not' and let
them do it. Today the kids were asking me for giant pixi stixs first
thing. I put it clearly, 'I worry that if you eat that sugar on an
empty stomach, you won't feel well enough to play'. Sometimes they
don't care, they want it then. This morning Rachel said "Hm, I see
your point. Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
On the cleaning. I think that kids this young still need primarily
someone else to be cleaning. At the very least they need someone to
clean with...rather than being forced to do it alone. I don't demand
that my kids help, but usually when I ask them to do something, they
are more than happy to! Not always, but usually. Eh, hope this helps,
I'm fairly new at this myself, and I'm sure others will have more to
say!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
of a program on television. It was a while back it might have been on CNN or
CBC, the program was called toxic soup and it talked about the toxic
household chemicals we use every day. This information caused her to search
further and lead her to the NIH website about household toxins.
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/products.htm
"If you really care about your son you'll check it out..." that is what Lynn
told me. Of course, I put it off and put it off. I had better things to
think about but eventually as I was using my typical all purpose cleaner -
my favorite back then was 409. I got a headache and sat down with my laptop
to check my email and Lynn had sent me an email asking if I had checked the
website. I thought no but if it is that important to her I would look into
it.
Well, I got to the site and looked around for a few minutes thinking there
was too much to look at, then I thought about the cleaner I use and thought
I would look just that up. It was really the only thing I used and if it was
fine then my son would be fine, right.
You could look it up on your own but to save you time I will give it to you.
After all, we are all busy and that is what kept me from looking in the
first place. I didn't have enough time.
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands
<http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id
=3007011> &id=3007011
Formula 409 Spray All Purpose Cleaner - I used it every where...
Acute Health Effects: From MSDS
Mild eye irritant. Overexposure to this product may cause the Worker
Exposure Limit if ethylene glycol monobutyl ether to be exceeded. Reports
have associated blood and bone marrow damage with exposure to ethylene
glycol monobutyl ether. Substance can be absorbed through the skin and may
contribute to overall exposure. Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by
Exposure: None known. Under normal consumer use conditions the likelihood of
any adverse health effects is low.
After I read this I freaked, I called the company because I wanted to know
what normal use was in their definition. The customer service rep I talked
to said that that normal customer use was defined as once a week to not more
then five times per month. I don't know about anyone else but at the time my
son was three. He made daily messes as well as three cats and you combine
that will just general kitchen clean up. I was using it at least once a day.
I called Lynn and cried and she told me about a company that sold products
that are completely non-toxic, really work and were the same or less then
what I bought in the store. I have been a Melaleuca Customer ever since. I
am not trying to sell anyone anything but in light of what has been going on
lately as well as everyone's concern for their children's health - I feel
obliged to pass the info on. So, check out the information - if nothing
else. Look up the products you use, to clean your house and then look at the
ones your put in and on your body that you absorb through your skin.
So now you have the information - it up to you to decide what to do with it.
Shannon
Melaleuca Customer
Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Melissa
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
Why would eating junk food would be associated increasing likelihood
of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do! Be much more concerned about
washing their hands and hanging out with kids who have recently been
vaccinated! Our kids aren't vaccinated either, so I understand your
concerns, but it's not fair to equate sugar to illness. True, eating
too much at once can cause an upset stomach, but that's about the
extent of it. As long as they are eating other healthy foods, then I
would suggest that their immune systems will still be strong and
develop.
What we have is a tupperware divided party tray. It has six
compartments. Each one has stuff in it, today was animal crackers,
cheese cubes, raisons, orange slices, chocolate bars, and carrot
sticks. I keep it filled up all day. They will choose to eat those
healthy foods as well, because they are good, but if you're telling
them the only chocolate they are getting that day is right there, of
course they are going to gorge on that. I keep track of how much of
what the kids are eating. If I feel that they aren't eating enough
veggies, I obviously haven't offered the ones they like. We go out
and buy different kinds, same for fruits or carbs. Keep it cut up and
available. It will get eaten. Make sure that you are setting a good
example by eating healthy foods where they can see.
As you say, sugar is hard to turn down. Unless you've had the
opportunity to eat enough to get sick. As a personal example,
yesterday my mom made us a few dozen chocolate chip cookies. I ate
about eight of them. Not healthy, except for the fact that when I was
done, I had absolutely no desire for more cookies. I haven't had any
desire for them today. I've eaten my fill, and I trust that the kids
will reach the same point. Today I really really enjoyed my steamed
brocolli. I ate about two heads of it. Again, not a well-balanced
day, but over the course of a week, it's going to look okay. I like
the suggestion I first got when I joined. Just say 'why not' and let
them do it. Today the kids were asking me for giant pixi stixs first
thing. I put it clearly, 'I worry that if you eat that sugar on an
empty stomach, you won't feel well enough to play'. Sometimes they
don't care, they want it then. This morning Rachel said "Hm, I see
your point. Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
On the cleaning. I think that kids this young still need primarily
someone else to be cleaning. At the very least they need someone to
clean with...rather than being forced to do it alone. I don't demand
that my kids help, but usually when I ask them to do something, they
are more than happy to! Not always, but usually. Eh, hope this helps,
I'm fairly new at this myself, and I'm sure others will have more to
say!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
On Feb 23, 2006, at 3:05 PM, sandralzires wrote:
> Thank you all for the sincere posts. I am glad so many responded.
>
> Can anyone tell me though, how radical unschooling parents monitor
> health without "enforcing" good eating habits? My children are
> unvaccinated, a major reason I pay close attention to how much junk
> food they consume.
>
> I understand the concept that guiding children and allowing them to
> make their own choices in the long run is ideal, however, I am
> ultimately held accountable for their health/safety. At 2, 5, and &
> 7 they have no concept that unhealthy food can = illness. In
> theory, my older ones understand the concept, but sugar is sugar and
> it's really hard to turn down. Lets face it; most of us have our
> own food addictions too.
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I borrowed and have just finished reading a book that has been around for a
while evidently it is called Eating for Your Blood Type.
The idea is that there are 4 known blood types among all the people of our
planet: A, B, AB and O. Type O is considered the oldest, Type AB the latest
to appear in the world's history. Type A is considered to fare better on a
grain-based diet than Type O. Type O is considered to fare better on a diet
that includes more meat.
This theory is based on the idea that certain foods cause allergic reactions
and even agglutination of blood cells, due to reactions to various foods,
and specifically proteins in different foods that the body treats as foreign
antigens, much like the an immune system response to antigens (proteins)
present in bacteria and viruses. We are therefore advised to eat foods which
are compatible with our blood type for optimal health.
It has really made me look at our diet - now I have to find out what my
son's blood type is... lol
Shannon
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
spikes and the order food is eaten or whatever. My oldest thinks there
should be dessert with lunch and dinner I dont really plan desserts but
there is almost always candy , cookies, a pie we have baked whatever.
However, she generaly eats whatever sugary stuff she wants right before a
meal...she says "it feels better that way"
She is a picky eater and has only a small selection of foods she likes to
eat but she does cover all the food groups over the week . I do give her a
vitamin pill but figure shell be fine.
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while evidently it is called Eating for Your Blood Type.
The idea is that there are 4 known blood types among all the people of our
planet: A, B, AB and O. Type O is considered the oldest, Type AB the latest
to appear in the world's history. Type A is considered to fare better on a
grain-based diet than Type O. Type O is considered to fare better on a diet
that includes more meat.
This theory is based on the idea that certain foods cause allergic reactions
and even agglutination of blood cells, due to reactions to various foods,
and specifically proteins in different foods that the body treats as foreign
antigens, much like the an immune system response to antigens (proteins)
present in bacteria and viruses. We are therefore advised to eat foods which
are compatible with our blood type for optimal health.
It has really made me look at our diet - now I have to find out what my
son's blood type is... lol
Shannon
Melaleuca Customer
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
Can I have one after breakfast?" Josh wanted one right
then. He ate it. He was fine. Then he asked for some yogurt and an
apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I sometimes really wonder if there are any studies done about blood sugar
spikes and the order food is eaten or whatever. My oldest thinks there
should be dessert with lunch and dinner I dont really plan desserts but
there is almost always candy , cookies, a pie we have baked whatever.
However, she generaly eats whatever sugary stuff she wants right before a
meal...she says "it feels better that way"
She is a picky eater and has only a small selection of foods she likes to
eat but she does cover all the food groups over the week . I do give her a
vitamin pill but figure shell be fine.
nicole
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Melissa
What I read is that she didn't want her children eating junk food
because it will increase their chances of getting the diseases that
children are usually immunized against, measles, mumps, rubella,
polio, diphtheria. I don't see what that has to do with household
toxins, unless you're getting to the cleaning part...and it's
permission to not clean as often ;-)
All I was saying was that it didn't seem fair to limit their choices
based on her fears. I don't regret giving my kids choices or anything
that they consume. It all evens out over long term. And in light of
current events, I think probably not a good idea to equate cleaners
with cancer. It's certainly not the only cause, sometimes crap just
happens. :-(
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
because it will increase their chances of getting the diseases that
children are usually immunized against, measles, mumps, rubella,
polio, diphtheria. I don't see what that has to do with household
toxins, unless you're getting to the cleaning part...and it's
permission to not clean as often ;-)
All I was saying was that it didn't seem fair to limit their choices
based on her fears. I don't regret giving my kids choices or anything
that they consume. It all evens out over long term. And in light of
current events, I think probably not a good idea to equate cleaners
with cancer. It's certainly not the only cause, sometimes crap just
happens. :-(
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:06 PM, S Drag-teine wrote:
> After my neighbor's granddaughter died of cancer - her mother
> because aware
> of a program on television. It was a while back it might have been
> on CNN or
> CBC, the program was called toxic soup and it talked about the toxic
> household chemicals we use every day. This information caused her
> to search
> further and lead her to the NIH website about household toxins.
>
Pamela Sorooshian
Shannon has said that she's a customer of Melaleuca and that using
their products instead of regular household cleaners will be "safer"
and more "nontoxic" for our children.
I have a different opinion on that - based on personal experience and
offer a bit of scientific evidence to back up my own experience.
To support a friend who was trying to start a home-based business, I
bought months' worth of this company's products and used it - rather
sparingly, by the way. It gave me a very bad rash, smelled bad, and
my family complained. I ended up throwing it all away, after spending
a lot of money on it.
Melaleuca is sold through a multi-level marketing program.
After having severe allergic reactions to it, myself, I did a little
online investigating. What I found was that there are people who are
very allergic to tea tree oil, which is what melaleuca products
contain. I found that putting it on the skin - as in the bath bars or
lotions - can result in red, burning, itching skin rashes and
swelling. Taking it orally - as in vitamins and other supplements, or
breathing the fumes of cleaning products containing it, can result in
children experiencing drowsiness, muscle weakness, muscle tremors,
depression, loss of coordination, and difficulty walking. Other
possible adverse effects include stomach discomfort and abnormal
blood counts. Use of products containing tea tree oil is not
recommended for pregnant or breast-feeding women or children.
Here is further information:
"Although tea tree oil has been suggested for many conditions, it has
not been proven for any health problem. It should be avoided in
pregnant and breast-feeding women and in children. Because it is
toxic if taken by mouth, tea tree oil should be used only on the
skin. Side effects may include skin dryness or peeling, and allergies
have been reported. Consult your health care provider immediately if
you experience side effects."
For more information, here is a site that you can have a look at - it
lists many studies of the effect of tea tree oil. It is definitely
not totally safe or even "nontoxic."
<http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8513/31402/405383.html?
d=dmtContent>
Lots of claims are made when products are sold through multi-level
marketing methods - the original company can't really control what
people are saying in order to sell their product.
Being careful about what products we use is great - and that includes
using things that are aesthetically appealing as well as safe. I
agree with that recommendation, of course, just not with the
suggestion of that one particular company's products as if that
guarantees safety. They sell things like sparkly toothpaste for
children that contains tea tree oil, for example. That is really not
a safe use of tea tree oil, since children using that toothpaste are
likely to be swallowing some of it on a daily basis.
-pam
their products instead of regular household cleaners will be "safer"
and more "nontoxic" for our children.
I have a different opinion on that - based on personal experience and
offer a bit of scientific evidence to back up my own experience.
To support a friend who was trying to start a home-based business, I
bought months' worth of this company's products and used it - rather
sparingly, by the way. It gave me a very bad rash, smelled bad, and
my family complained. I ended up throwing it all away, after spending
a lot of money on it.
Melaleuca is sold through a multi-level marketing program.
After having severe allergic reactions to it, myself, I did a little
online investigating. What I found was that there are people who are
very allergic to tea tree oil, which is what melaleuca products
contain. I found that putting it on the skin - as in the bath bars or
lotions - can result in red, burning, itching skin rashes and
swelling. Taking it orally - as in vitamins and other supplements, or
breathing the fumes of cleaning products containing it, can result in
children experiencing drowsiness, muscle weakness, muscle tremors,
depression, loss of coordination, and difficulty walking. Other
possible adverse effects include stomach discomfort and abnormal
blood counts. Use of products containing tea tree oil is not
recommended for pregnant or breast-feeding women or children.
Here is further information:
"Although tea tree oil has been suggested for many conditions, it has
not been proven for any health problem. It should be avoided in
pregnant and breast-feeding women and in children. Because it is
toxic if taken by mouth, tea tree oil should be used only on the
skin. Side effects may include skin dryness or peeling, and allergies
have been reported. Consult your health care provider immediately if
you experience side effects."
For more information, here is a site that you can have a look at - it
lists many studies of the effect of tea tree oil. It is definitely
not totally safe or even "nontoxic."
<http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8513/31402/405383.html?
d=dmtContent>
Lots of claims are made when products are sold through multi-level
marketing methods - the original company can't really control what
people are saying in order to sell their product.
Being careful about what products we use is great - and that includes
using things that are aesthetically appealing as well as safe. I
agree with that recommendation, of course, just not with the
suggestion of that one particular company's products as if that
guarantees safety. They sell things like sparkly toothpaste for
children that contains tea tree oil, for example. That is really not
a safe use of tea tree oil, since children using that toothpaste are
likely to be swallowing some of it on a daily basis.
-pam
On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:06 AM, S Drag-teine wrote:
> I called Lynn and cried and she told me about a company that sold
> products
> that are completely non-toxic, really work and were the same or
> less then
> what I bought in the store. I have been a Melaleuca Customer ever
> since. I
> am not trying to sell anyone anything but in light of what has been
> going on
> lately as well as everyone's concern for their children's health -
> I feel
> obliged to pass the info on. So, check out the information - if
> nothing
> else. Look up the products you use, to clean your house and then
> look at the
> ones your put in and on your body that you absorb through your skin.
>
>
>
> So now you have the information - it up to you to decide what to do
> with it.
>
>
>
> Shannon
>
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Melissa
Like I was suckered into buying Arbonne because it doesn't have
petroleum. However, when I got it and compared the label to what's on
my hubby's 99¢ suave. exact same ingredients, minus the food dye. LOL!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
petroleum. However, when I got it and compared the label to what's on
my hubby's 99¢ suave. exact same ingredients, minus the food dye. LOL!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
On Feb 24, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
>
> Being careful about what products we use is great - and that includes
> using things that are aesthetically appealing as well as safe. I
> agree with that recommendation, of course, just not with the
> suggestion of that one particular company's products as if that
> guarantees safety.
Sheila
>Why would eating junk food would be associated increasing likelihoodof contracting childhood illnesses?
Wish I could find it but recently a lot of research has been done on
processed foods/junk foods versus whole foods. The studies ARE showing
that there is a link to high quantites of illness in children and high
intake of processed/junk foods. Of course who knows why, at this
point, but there is a lot of research going on. To bad I didn't save
some of my research, now I am not sure where to find this info.
But like it's been said before......balance it all out. I am just
tossing in another 2 cents worth,
sheila
Su Penn
Or how surprised I was by doing a side-by-side comparison in the
grocery store to find that Annie's Organic Cheddar Bunny crackers had
more fat than goldfish crackers...not that fat is the only reason
you'd make a purchasing choice, but it's a factor I use.
I am allergic to fragrances and am amazed by how often people tell me
that something they're using won't bother me because it's "all
natural." As if no one could have an allergic reaction to anything
natural. I usually say something like, "Yeah, pollen is all-natural
too, but lots of people are allergic to that."
Su
grocery store to find that Annie's Organic Cheddar Bunny crackers had
more fat than goldfish crackers...not that fat is the only reason
you'd make a purchasing choice, but it's a factor I use.
I am allergic to fragrances and am amazed by how often people tell me
that something they're using won't bother me because it's "all
natural." As if no one could have an allergic reaction to anything
natural. I usually say something like, "Yeah, pollen is all-natural
too, but lots of people are allergic to that."
Su
On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Melissa wrote:
> Like I was suckered into buying Arbonne because it doesn't have
> petroleum. However, when I got it and compared the label to what's on
> my hubby's 99¢ suave. exact same ingredients, minus the food dye. LOL!
> Melissa
S Drag-teine
While I agreed being suckered... well sucks. I suggest anyone check into
what they buy before they buy it. Even Suave at $.99 has AMMONIUM LAURYL
SULFATE which 1 oz can be fatal if ingested by a child.
Shannon
Melaleuca Customer
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:09 PM
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Subject: [unschoolingbasics] toxic products (was illnesses)
Like I was suckered into buying Arbonne because it doesn't have
petroleum. However, when I got it and compared the label to what's on
my hubby's 99¢ suave. exact same ingredients, minus the food dye. LOL!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
what they buy before they buy it. Even Suave at $.99 has AMMONIUM LAURYL
SULFATE which 1 oz can be fatal if ingested by a child.
Shannon
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] toxic products (was illnesses)
Like I was suckered into buying Arbonne because it doesn't have
petroleum. However, when I got it and compared the label to what's on
my hubby's 99¢ suave. exact same ingredients, minus the food dye. LOL!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
On Feb 24, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
>
> Being careful about what products we use is great - and that includes
> using things that are aesthetically appealing as well as safe. I
> agree with that recommendation, of course, just not with the
> suggestion of that one particular company's products as if that
> guarantees safety.
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S Drag-teine
Yes, I understand that! My mother and sister are chemical sensitive. Often
the problem is low quality ingredients - even in all natural products if the
essential oil has been through a third processing often they use a chemical
to do it. The chemical gets left in there and people have a reaction to that
chemical.
Even essential oils have reactions other wise aromatherapy wouldn't work.
Shannon
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] comparing products (was illnesses)
Or how surprised I was by doing a side-by-side comparison in the
grocery store to find that Annie's Organic Cheddar Bunny crackers had
more fat than goldfish crackers...not that fat is the only reason
you'd make a purchasing choice, but it's a factor I use.
I am allergic to fragrances and am amazed by how often people tell me
that something they're using won't bother me because it's "all
natural." As if no one could have an allergic reaction to anything
natural. I usually say something like, "Yeah, pollen is all-natural
too, but lots of people are allergic to that."
Su
the problem is low quality ingredients - even in all natural products if the
essential oil has been through a third processing often they use a chemical
to do it. The chemical gets left in there and people have a reaction to that
chemical.
Even essential oils have reactions other wise aromatherapy wouldn't work.
Shannon
Melaleuca Customer
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] comparing products (was illnesses)
Or how surprised I was by doing a side-by-side comparison in the
grocery store to find that Annie's Organic Cheddar Bunny crackers had
more fat than goldfish crackers...not that fat is the only reason
you'd make a purchasing choice, but it's a factor I use.
I am allergic to fragrances and am amazed by how often people tell me
that something they're using won't bother me because it's "all
natural." As if no one could have an allergic reaction to anything
natural. I usually say something like, "Yeah, pollen is all-natural
too, but lots of people are allergic to that."
Su
On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Melissa wrote:
> Like I was suckered into buying Arbonne because it doesn't have
> petroleum. However, when I got it and compared the label to what's on
> my hubby's 99¢ suave. exact same ingredients, minus the food dye. LOL!
> Melissa
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Or how surprised I was by doing a side-by-side comparison in the
grocery store to find that Annie's Organic Cheddar Bunny crackers had
more fat than goldfish crackers...not that fat is the only reason
you'd make a purchasing choice, but it's a factor I use.
But yea I just had a talk between friends who have their kids on gluten and casein free diets...........coke for example is "safe " on the diet but that dosent mean I keep tons of it around my house.
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grocery store to find that Annie's Organic Cheddar Bunny crackers had
more fat than goldfish crackers...not that fat is the only reason
you'd make a purchasing choice, but it's a factor I use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just curious but was it hydrogenated fat like in goldfish? Simply my opinion but Ill take more non hydrogenated fat anyday.
But yea I just had a talk between friends who have their kids on gluten and casein free diets...........coke for example is "safe " on the diet but that dosent mean I keep tons of it around my house.
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But yea I just had a talk between friends who have their kids on
gluten and casein free diets...........coke for example is "safe " on
the diet
fyi, i am a non gluten eater and coke actually does have gluten
(caramel coloring)....some can tolerate this, others simply don't know
it is gluten, so i just thought i would share. we aren't soda
drinkers, but i did find whole foods brand (365) cola is gluten free
incase you ever decided *to* have it around and want it truely gluten
free.
gluten and casein free diets...........coke for example is "safe " on
the diet
fyi, i am a non gluten eater and coke actually does have gluten
(caramel coloring)....some can tolerate this, others simply don't know
it is gluten, so i just thought i would share. we aren't soda
drinkers, but i did find whole foods brand (365) cola is gluten free
incase you ever decided *to* have it around and want it truely gluten
free.
aroundthemilkyway
oops oops oops! sorry....i didn't read further posts about not
drifting so much off topic before i replied about gluten...oops! and
another sorry :)
drifting so much off topic before i replied about gluten...oops! and
another sorry :)
Lesa McMahon-Lowe
Hey, Beth, I too would like to transition to a raw vegan diet. are you a
part of any chat groups or would you like to start one for support?
Lesa
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From: elizabeth roberts
Date: 02/24/06 21:21:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
The concern, in my opinion, is more about the body not have the right
nutrition to draw on when illness does strike, as well as the impact of
sugar and inactivity in developing diabetes. Illness is more than just
throwing up, or green runny noses. Illness is the body not working properly,
and it can't do that if it's clogged up with sugars and chemical additives
and the like.
I'm transitioning to a raw vegan diet right now because I'm sick, and a
poor diet has been part of it. While eating SAD (Standard American Diet) I
am overweight, have chronic fatique symptoms, depression, bad skin and am
prediabetic. When I eat raw, my aches and pains go away, I'm not moody or
depressed, and my skin clears up.
My children and I talk often about how foods are fuel for the body, and
keeping the body healthy. They have freedom in what they eat, and most of
the time they choose fruits over sweets.
I hope that helps some!
Beth, NC
Melissa <autismhelp@...> wrote:
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of contracting childhood illnesses? unhealthy food does not equal
illness, bacteria and virus's do!
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The concern, in my opinion, is more about the body not have the right
nutrition to draw on when illness does strike, as well as the impact of
sugar and inactivity in developing diabetes. Illness is more than just
throwing up, or green runny noses. Illness is the body not working properly,
and it can't do that if it's clogged up with sugars and chemical additives
and the like.
I'm transitioning to a raw vegan diet right now because I'm sick, and a
poor diet has been part of it. While eating SAD (Standard American Diet) I
am overweight, have chronic fatique symptoms, depression, bad skin and am
prediabetic. When I eat raw, my aches and pains go away, I'm not moody or
depressed, and my skin clears up.
My children and I talk often about how foods are fuel for the body, and
keeping the body healthy. They have freedom in what they eat, and most of
the time they choose fruits over sweets.
I hope that helps some!
Beth, NC
Melissa <autismhelp@...> wrote:
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"Illness is the body not working properly,
and it can't do that if it's clogged up with sugars and chemical
additives and the like."
Every body can handle quite a bit more than what the alarmists would
like you to believe. I'm pretty health consicous, I can tell you a LOT
about herbs and healing and alternative eating. I've done classes on
vegetarian cooking and making healthy changes.
I also let my children choose their own food (obviously they're
influenced by my choices and cooking) including chips, soda and sweets.
Not ONE of them has been to the doctor in years.
In fact, my 16 y.o. only went to the Doctor when he was very little
for illness, my 12 y.o. has been ONE time for illness, 8y.o. has been
ONE time and my 5 y.o. has never seen the Doctor for illness of any kind.
Not much of a connection between "junk" food and health here. Now
there IS a correlation between a lack of nutritional food and illness.
I don't really think an overall healthy person, that eats a wide
variety of foods needs to stress about sugar and other snacks. You've
got to look at the big picture.
Food has not been an issue here. My kids will happily eat brocolli as
often as chocolate. If you don't make a big deal about food, just buy
what they choose (sometimes point out similar choices you're more
comfortable with if necessary) fix lotsa good food and DON'T WORRY!
Truly.
When worrying about food choices, just remember...the worry kills you
faster than a burger and fries will.
Ren
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and it can't do that if it's clogged up with sugars and chemical
additives and the like."
Every body can handle quite a bit more than what the alarmists would
like you to believe. I'm pretty health consicous, I can tell you a LOT
about herbs and healing and alternative eating. I've done classes on
vegetarian cooking and making healthy changes.
I also let my children choose their own food (obviously they're
influenced by my choices and cooking) including chips, soda and sweets.
Not ONE of them has been to the doctor in years.
In fact, my 16 y.o. only went to the Doctor when he was very little
for illness, my 12 y.o. has been ONE time for illness, 8y.o. has been
ONE time and my 5 y.o. has never seen the Doctor for illness of any kind.
Not much of a connection between "junk" food and health here. Now
there IS a correlation between a lack of nutritional food and illness.
I don't really think an overall healthy person, that eats a wide
variety of foods needs to stress about sugar and other snacks. You've
got to look at the big picture.
Food has not been an issue here. My kids will happily eat brocolli as
often as chocolate. If you don't make a big deal about food, just buy
what they choose (sometimes point out similar choices you're more
comfortable with if necessary) fix lotsa good food and DON'T WORRY!
Truly.
When worrying about food choices, just remember...the worry kills you
faster than a burger and fries will.
Ren
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Lesa McMahon-Lowe
Ren, I had to laugh... that's so true.
Lesa
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Date: 02/25/06 16:06:16
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Subject: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
When worrying about food choices, just remember...the worry kills you
faster than a burger and fries will.
Ren
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Lesa
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From: Ren Allen
Date: 02/25/06 16:06:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling questions
When worrying about food choices, just remember...the worry kills you
faster than a burger and fries will.
Ren
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Food has not been an issue here. My kids will happily eat brocolli as
often as chocolate. If you don't make a big deal about food, just buy
what they choose (sometimes point out similar choices you're more
comfortable with if necessary) fix lotsa good food and DON'T WORRY!
Truly.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Yes, but what if your children have lived with restrictions, as mine have.
We stopped that about 2 months ago, and though I must say I am pleased
that it hasn't been worse, they are definitely binge-ing on junk. I know
that's normal, but does anyone have experience moving away from those kind
of restrictions that can tell me about how long this might last?
Sugar is a health issue for me. I have low blood sugar that may be
moving toward pre-diabetes. Both my parents are now diabetic. Though I
believe having a healthy attitude about food is the way to go, and not
making things off limits, this all does make me nervous. Here's the thing
that I'm aware of: we all need a certain number of calories everyday. The
more that come from sugar and other empty calories, the less that come
from nutritious calories, unless we overeat. SO, I very much want to
believe the time will come that they will be finished pushing the old
limits and will make healthy choices for themselves.
As I said, it has not been all bad. I work hard at putting out
fruit and vegetable plates, etc. and they are eating them. I'm not
panicking here, just looking for some encouragement about the future.
Also, another concern I have is that I was not limited in my sugar
intake as a child. I ate pretty much as much as I wanted, and still I have
sugar compulsion, though it used to be worse before my health went
downhill. THEN I reacted positively and made different decisions from a
different motivation, but I don't want it to come to that for my girls.
Thanks for your input.
Gayle (mom to Faye-5 and Annika-4 in May)
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often as chocolate. If you don't make a big deal about food, just buy
what they choose (sometimes point out similar choices you're more
comfortable with if necessary) fix lotsa good food and DON'T WORRY!
Truly.
Ren
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Yes, but what if your children have lived with restrictions, as mine have.
We stopped that about 2 months ago, and though I must say I am pleased
that it hasn't been worse, they are definitely binge-ing on junk. I know
that's normal, but does anyone have experience moving away from those kind
of restrictions that can tell me about how long this might last?
Sugar is a health issue for me. I have low blood sugar that may be
moving toward pre-diabetes. Both my parents are now diabetic. Though I
believe having a healthy attitude about food is the way to go, and not
making things off limits, this all does make me nervous. Here's the thing
that I'm aware of: we all need a certain number of calories everyday. The
more that come from sugar and other empty calories, the less that come
from nutritious calories, unless we overeat. SO, I very much want to
believe the time will come that they will be finished pushing the old
limits and will make healthy choices for themselves.
As I said, it has not been all bad. I work hard at putting out
fruit and vegetable plates, etc. and they are eating them. I'm not
panicking here, just looking for some encouragement about the future.
Also, another concern I have is that I was not limited in my sugar
intake as a child. I ate pretty much as much as I wanted, and still I have
sugar compulsion, though it used to be worse before my health went
downhill. THEN I reacted positively and made different decisions from a
different motivation, but I don't want it to come to that for my girls.
Thanks for your input.
Gayle (mom to Faye-5 and Annika-4 in May)
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Su Penn
On Feb 25, 2006, at 5:59 PM, alder7run@... wrote:
about my own experience--my mother kept lots of sugary things in the
house, as well as convenience foods we could fix for ourselves, like
little spaghetti packets you just had to add hot water to. But she
also harangued us about food all the time--I saw her do this with my
niece awhile ago, when my niece got a Coke from the fridge: "You
shouldn't have another Coke, you'll end up fat like your Aunt Susan
[that's me], with your ethnic background [niece is Hispanic] you're
at greater risk for diabetes, you're lucky you aren't already
diabetic with all the sugar you eat..." Non-stop, the whole time my
niece was drinking it. That was my experience growing up, that the
food was there and we could choose it, but we were judged and blamed
for choosing it. I do believe that it would have been better for my
mother to establish matter-of-fact restrictions than to treat it that
way--we could have the food but always felt guilty and bad about it.
My mother also was a compulsive eater, and although she tried to hide
it from us, I believe she modeled that behavior in ways that I, at
least, picked up on.
I also have a lot of residual food issues. I have never gotten to the
point of being able to keep sugary things in the house without eating
more of them than I feel good about eating, and this is actually a
challenge for me because my kids like to have some sweets in the
house and have very healthy, happy relationships to them, but it is
better for ME to have a very limited amount of sugar available, so we
have had to work on striking a balance there.
I'm not saying that my childhood experience necessarily parallels
yours. It's just that, when we get talking about food limits, my own
experience suggests to me that the messages kids get about food--what
is good and bad, whether they are good or bad for eating certain
things--have been more of a determinant than whether the food was
available.
FWIW.
Su
> Also, another concern I have is that I was not limited inI wonder what messages you got along with food, though? I'm thinking
> my sugar
> intake as a child. I ate pretty much as much as I wanted, and still
> I have
> sugar compulsion, though it used to be worse before my health went
> downhill.
about my own experience--my mother kept lots of sugary things in the
house, as well as convenience foods we could fix for ourselves, like
little spaghetti packets you just had to add hot water to. But she
also harangued us about food all the time--I saw her do this with my
niece awhile ago, when my niece got a Coke from the fridge: "You
shouldn't have another Coke, you'll end up fat like your Aunt Susan
[that's me], with your ethnic background [niece is Hispanic] you're
at greater risk for diabetes, you're lucky you aren't already
diabetic with all the sugar you eat..." Non-stop, the whole time my
niece was drinking it. That was my experience growing up, that the
food was there and we could choose it, but we were judged and blamed
for choosing it. I do believe that it would have been better for my
mother to establish matter-of-fact restrictions than to treat it that
way--we could have the food but always felt guilty and bad about it.
My mother also was a compulsive eater, and although she tried to hide
it from us, I believe she modeled that behavior in ways that I, at
least, picked up on.
I also have a lot of residual food issues. I have never gotten to the
point of being able to keep sugary things in the house without eating
more of them than I feel good about eating, and this is actually a
challenge for me because my kids like to have some sweets in the
house and have very healthy, happy relationships to them, but it is
better for ME to have a very limited amount of sugar available, so we
have had to work on striking a balance there.
I'm not saying that my childhood experience necessarily parallels
yours. It's just that, when we get talking about food limits, my own
experience suggests to me that the messages kids get about food--what
is good and bad, whether they are good or bad for eating certain
things--have been more of a determinant than whether the food was
available.
FWIW.
Su
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Hi Su. Thanks for your response. I can certainly see how those kind of
messages would contribute to an unhealthy relationship with food. I don't
remember that kind of thing in my house growing up. I think we were all
pretty ignorant at that time about the ways that sugar might not be a
great thing to eat in large quantities. I don't remember being hassled
about my eating. I was always thin and pretty physically fit, so there
wasn't a worry there.
Hmmm... perhaps that was the part that was lacking - being taught about
healthy choices in eating, eating sweets in smaller quantities and only
occasionally being a wiser choice than in large quantities daily. I don't
think my parents were negligent. I think there was less information at
that time.
Like I said earlier though, I think my main concern is that when we get
our calories from things heavy in refined sugar or 'junk food', then that
number of 'empty calories' is replacing more nutritional choices.
Gayle
I wonder what messages you got along with food, though?
I also have a lot of residual food issues. I have never gotten to the
point of being able to keep sugary things in the house without eating
more of them than I feel good about eating, and this is actually a
challenge for me because my kids like to have some sweets in the
house and have very healthy, happy relationships to them, but it is
better for ME to have a very limited amount of sugar available, so we
have had to work on striking a balance there.
I'm not saying that my childhood experience necessarily parallels
yours. It's just that, when we get talking about food limits, my own
experience suggests to me that the messages kids get about food--what
is good and bad, whether they are good or bad for eating certain
things--have been more of a determinant than whether the food was
available.
FWIW.
Su
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messages would contribute to an unhealthy relationship with food. I don't
remember that kind of thing in my house growing up. I think we were all
pretty ignorant at that time about the ways that sugar might not be a
great thing to eat in large quantities. I don't remember being hassled
about my eating. I was always thin and pretty physically fit, so there
wasn't a worry there.
Hmmm... perhaps that was the part that was lacking - being taught about
healthy choices in eating, eating sweets in smaller quantities and only
occasionally being a wiser choice than in large quantities daily. I don't
think my parents were negligent. I think there was less information at
that time.
Like I said earlier though, I think my main concern is that when we get
our calories from things heavy in refined sugar or 'junk food', then that
number of 'empty calories' is replacing more nutritional choices.
Gayle
I wonder what messages you got along with food, though?
I also have a lot of residual food issues. I have never gotten to the
point of being able to keep sugary things in the house without eating
more of them than I feel good about eating, and this is actually a
challenge for me because my kids like to have some sweets in the
house and have very healthy, happy relationships to them, but it is
better for ME to have a very limited amount of sugar available, so we
have had to work on striking a balance there.
I'm not saying that my childhood experience necessarily parallels
yours. It's just that, when we get talking about food limits, my own
experience suggests to me that the messages kids get about food--what
is good and bad, whether they are good or bad for eating certain
things--have been more of a determinant than whether the food was
available.
FWIW.
Su
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Ren Allen
"Like I said earlier though, I think my main concern is that when we get
our calories from things heavy in refined sugar or 'junk food', then that
number of 'empty calories' is replacing more nutritional choices."
I don't buy this.
When I eat too much sugar (to the point I don't feel good) I CRAVE
protein and healthy food. I think I actually eat the same amount of
healthy food whether I eat sugar or not. Yeah, it adds calories, but
unless you have a really good reason to worry about caloric intake,
then it shouldn't be a problem.
Let's see...I drink cream with my tea which is about 4-5x per day, I
eat truffles (loaded with fat and sugar). In fact, I was just talking
to Rue and my dh walked in with truffles. I said "that's a man that
knows how to deal with a crisis...BRING TRUFFLES".
He's good under pressure. He knows that a cup of tea and some truffles
will cure most any malaise.:) Oh, my whole point was that I am very
healthy, I'm fairly thin and I eat whatever I want.
Genetics.
I have friends that eat much more carefully than I do and are
overweight. Sure, people could be more aware of ingredients and
health!! I'm all for awareness and knowledge, but not guilt or stress.
I share nutritional info. with my kids, I ask if I can replace a
cracker they want with a healthier version, but in the end we just
don't stress about it. Balance, balance...once again.
Once I get a garden big enough, we'll be eathing lotsa raw, organic
veggies. Once we actually have incomes, we'll be buying more organic
snacks. In the meantime I bake a lot. There are ways to be healthy and
health aware without undue pressure on our children (or ourselves).
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
our calories from things heavy in refined sugar or 'junk food', then that
number of 'empty calories' is replacing more nutritional choices."
I don't buy this.
When I eat too much sugar (to the point I don't feel good) I CRAVE
protein and healthy food. I think I actually eat the same amount of
healthy food whether I eat sugar or not. Yeah, it adds calories, but
unless you have a really good reason to worry about caloric intake,
then it shouldn't be a problem.
Let's see...I drink cream with my tea which is about 4-5x per day, I
eat truffles (loaded with fat and sugar). In fact, I was just talking
to Rue and my dh walked in with truffles. I said "that's a man that
knows how to deal with a crisis...BRING TRUFFLES".
He's good under pressure. He knows that a cup of tea and some truffles
will cure most any malaise.:) Oh, my whole point was that I am very
healthy, I'm fairly thin and I eat whatever I want.
Genetics.
I have friends that eat much more carefully than I do and are
overweight. Sure, people could be more aware of ingredients and
health!! I'm all for awareness and knowledge, but not guilt or stress.
I share nutritional info. with my kids, I ask if I can replace a
cracker they want with a healthier version, but in the end we just
don't stress about it. Balance, balance...once again.
Once I get a garden big enough, we'll be eathing lotsa raw, organic
veggies. Once we actually have incomes, we'll be buying more organic
snacks. In the meantime I bake a lot. There are ways to be healthy and
health aware without undue pressure on our children (or ourselves).
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Nicole Willoughby
I wonder what messages you got along with food, though? I'm thinking
about my own experience--my mother kept lots of sugary things in the
house, as well as convenience foods we could fix for ourselves, like
little spaghetti packets you just had to add hot water to. But she
also harangued us about food all the time->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Its interesting you mention this. I used to be in gymnastics, slim muscular in great shape. She was overweight my entire childhood and used to constantly say things like you have a family history of diabetes , your weight is ok now but you are going to have to be very careful not to gain any blah blah blah.
so I went through a phase of trying to starve myself and now Im fat :)
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about my own experience--my mother kept lots of sugary things in the
house, as well as convenience foods we could fix for ourselves, like
little spaghetti packets you just had to add hot water to. But she
also harangued us about food all the time->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Its interesting you mention this. I used to be in gymnastics, slim muscular in great shape. She was overweight my entire childhood and used to constantly say things like you have a family history of diabetes , your weight is ok now but you are going to have to be very careful not to gain any blah blah blah.
so I went through a phase of trying to starve myself and now Im fat :)
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I could debate this, but I'm not really interested in doing that. On the
whole I agree with your message - access to good food, information, no
guilt... Great. I too am fortunate to have genes that keep me thin
regardless of how I eat. Adding calories is not a problem. That is not the
case for everyone. Many people (in the U.S., in my town, in my family) do
have reason to worry about caloric intake. Also, being thin and *looking*
fit are not the only issues. We don't always know what's going on on the
inside. When I started having some serious medical problems , people were
shocked - "you've always seemed so healthy". Yes, I always thought I was
healthy too. For me, removing refined sugar from my diet was necessary and
left doctors shaking their heads at how I turned some physical problems
around. I wasn't interested in their path and left allopathic medicine
behind. Do I recommend *everyone* stop eating refined sugar? No. Do I
think some of my problems came from excessive refined sugar intake? Yes.
Well I appear to have debated anyway, and that was not my intent. I have
avoided these discussions for months, because I don't want to argue about
it. I really don't.
However, I do have questions, and...
My original question still stands, i.e. does anyone have experience
removing restrictions with their children, and if so what was that like?
How long did it take for the children to settle into making decisions
based on how they feel now, rather than reacting to formerly imposed
arbitrary restrictions? I would love to go back and not force my eating
choices on my children in their first few years, but alas I can not, so we
go on from here. My husband is amazed that I am able to let them make
their own decisions now without putting guilt trips on them, knowing how
strongly I feel about eating nutritional, whole foods. The thing is, it
makes total sense to me that I can not force what I believe onto others,
including my children, and respecting them is just as important as
honoring my (or their) physical body(ies).
To explain my concern just a bit more, in the past, Faye and Annika ate
more of a variety of things (not by force, by choice). Now it seems they
are more willing to decline because they know there are other 'tastier'
things around that I will not stop them from having, like cookies, cheetos
or whatever. (Faye has always been somewhat picky, but now she is ruling
out even more.) Again, I think this is somewhat reactive, and I'm trying
to trust that it will not be permanent.
Any stories from the experience of others are appreciated.
Gayle
P.s. I have shared the many responses to my post a while ago about my
control issues (remember the example was about stamping?) with several
friends and family members. I still have them in a word document to refer
back to. Those emails helped me turn a corner, and I'm so grateful to you
all.
"Like I said earlier though, I think my main concern is that when we get
our calories from things heavy in refined sugar or 'junk food', then that
number of 'empty calories' is replacing more nutritional choices."
I don't buy this.
When I eat too much sugar (to the point I don't feel good) I CRAVE
protein and healthy food. I think I actually eat the same amount of
healthy food whether I eat sugar or not. Yeah, it adds calories, but
unless you have a really good reason to worry about caloric intake,
then it shouldn't be a problem.
Let's see...I drink cream with my tea which is about 4-5x per day, I
eat truffles (loaded with fat and sugar). In fact, I was just talking
to Rue and my dh walked in with truffles. I said "that's a man that
knows how to deal with a crisis...BRING TRUFFLES".
He's good under pressure. He knows that a cup of tea and some truffles
will cure most any malaise.:) Oh, my whole point was that I am very
healthy, I'm fairly thin and I eat whatever I want.
Genetics.
I have friends that eat much more carefully than I do and are
overweight. Sure, people could be more aware of ingredients and
health!! I'm all for awareness and knowledge, but not guilt or stress.
I share nutritional info. with my kids, I ask if I can replace a
cracker they want with a healthier version, but in the end we just
don't stress about it. Balance, balance...once again.
Once I get a garden big enough, we'll be eathing lotsa raw, organic
veggies. Once we actually have incomes, we'll be buying more organic
snacks. In the meantime I bake a lot. There are ways to be healthy and
health aware without undue pressure on our children (or ourselves).
Ren
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whole I agree with your message - access to good food, information, no
guilt... Great. I too am fortunate to have genes that keep me thin
regardless of how I eat. Adding calories is not a problem. That is not the
case for everyone. Many people (in the U.S., in my town, in my family) do
have reason to worry about caloric intake. Also, being thin and *looking*
fit are not the only issues. We don't always know what's going on on the
inside. When I started having some serious medical problems , people were
shocked - "you've always seemed so healthy". Yes, I always thought I was
healthy too. For me, removing refined sugar from my diet was necessary and
left doctors shaking their heads at how I turned some physical problems
around. I wasn't interested in their path and left allopathic medicine
behind. Do I recommend *everyone* stop eating refined sugar? No. Do I
think some of my problems came from excessive refined sugar intake? Yes.
Well I appear to have debated anyway, and that was not my intent. I have
avoided these discussions for months, because I don't want to argue about
it. I really don't.
However, I do have questions, and...
My original question still stands, i.e. does anyone have experience
removing restrictions with their children, and if so what was that like?
How long did it take for the children to settle into making decisions
based on how they feel now, rather than reacting to formerly imposed
arbitrary restrictions? I would love to go back and not force my eating
choices on my children in their first few years, but alas I can not, so we
go on from here. My husband is amazed that I am able to let them make
their own decisions now without putting guilt trips on them, knowing how
strongly I feel about eating nutritional, whole foods. The thing is, it
makes total sense to me that I can not force what I believe onto others,
including my children, and respecting them is just as important as
honoring my (or their) physical body(ies).
To explain my concern just a bit more, in the past, Faye and Annika ate
more of a variety of things (not by force, by choice). Now it seems they
are more willing to decline because they know there are other 'tastier'
things around that I will not stop them from having, like cookies, cheetos
or whatever. (Faye has always been somewhat picky, but now she is ruling
out even more.) Again, I think this is somewhat reactive, and I'm trying
to trust that it will not be permanent.
Any stories from the experience of others are appreciated.
Gayle
P.s. I have shared the many responses to my post a while ago about my
control issues (remember the example was about stamping?) with several
friends and family members. I still have them in a word document to refer
back to. Those emails helped me turn a corner, and I'm so grateful to you
all.
"Like I said earlier though, I think my main concern is that when we get
our calories from things heavy in refined sugar or 'junk food', then that
number of 'empty calories' is replacing more nutritional choices."
I don't buy this.
When I eat too much sugar (to the point I don't feel good) I CRAVE
protein and healthy food. I think I actually eat the same amount of
healthy food whether I eat sugar or not. Yeah, it adds calories, but
unless you have a really good reason to worry about caloric intake,
then it shouldn't be a problem.
Let's see...I drink cream with my tea which is about 4-5x per day, I
eat truffles (loaded with fat and sugar). In fact, I was just talking
to Rue and my dh walked in with truffles. I said "that's a man that
knows how to deal with a crisis...BRING TRUFFLES".
He's good under pressure. He knows that a cup of tea and some truffles
will cure most any malaise.:) Oh, my whole point was that I am very
healthy, I'm fairly thin and I eat whatever I want.
Genetics.
I have friends that eat much more carefully than I do and are
overweight. Sure, people could be more aware of ingredients and
health!! I'm all for awareness and knowledge, but not guilt or stress.
I share nutritional info. with my kids, I ask if I can replace a
cracker they want with a healthier version, but in the end we just
don't stress about it. Balance, balance...once again.
Once I get a garden big enough, we'll be eathing lotsa raw, organic
veggies. Once we actually have incomes, we'll be buying more organic
snacks. In the meantime I bake a lot. There are ways to be healthy and
health aware without undue pressure on our children (or ourselves).
Ren
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Melissa
We did that. We did that in October of 2005, so it wasn't that long
ago. They based their choices on eating on how they felt then. They
felt that they needed to eat sugar then. They were making up for
years and years of not getting to choose. They ate until they felt
like they didn't want more. They still do it sometimes. *I* still do
that. And while you said that your children ate a variety by choice,
in the next sentence you say that now you have "other 'tastier'
choices around". So, yeah, they are getting to choose things now,
things that they want to choose, not just what's most appealing out
of what you bought previously. Give it some time. Trust in them.
Trust in their bodies. Trust that the choices they make are right for
them. Bodies crave what they are not getting enough of. Bodies get
sick of what they get too much of. I mentioned before that I noticed
with my kids, if they weren't eating what the American dietary
whatever said was enough, then I would buy a TON of different
veggies. And I would remember that kids portions of food are 1/2 to
1/3 the size of mine. Kids need more spare calories than adults do
too, because they are growing and burning energy by learning, running
and just being!
We've only been doing this for six months. We are still seeing the
effects of previously being limited. The best step we've taken to
break this is going to Sam's club, buying the biggest container of
each of their favorite candies, and leaving it in the kitchen.
Whenever they ask, we say yes. That's all, just 'yes'. Sometimes I'll
say yes, and then ask if they'll bring me one too. Just put all your
snacks out for snack time, invite them in. Let them make snacks. My
hubby bought a cookbook called my first cookbook where they can make
cookies and ice cream snacks and all kinds of fun stuff. Not only do
we get to do things together, they're homemade, less preservatives
and highfructose corn syrup, and we have a great time together. We
dip a lot of fresh fruit in chocolate almond bark (nutrients and
chocolate at the same time) And sometimes one of them will say, "mom,
I could really use some broccolli right night", and so that's what we
have.
It'll work out. Give it six months. Then reassess what's going
on. :-) Scary, I know! I still worry.
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
ago. They based their choices on eating on how they felt then. They
felt that they needed to eat sugar then. They were making up for
years and years of not getting to choose. They ate until they felt
like they didn't want more. They still do it sometimes. *I* still do
that. And while you said that your children ate a variety by choice,
in the next sentence you say that now you have "other 'tastier'
choices around". So, yeah, they are getting to choose things now,
things that they want to choose, not just what's most appealing out
of what you bought previously. Give it some time. Trust in them.
Trust in their bodies. Trust that the choices they make are right for
them. Bodies crave what they are not getting enough of. Bodies get
sick of what they get too much of. I mentioned before that I noticed
with my kids, if they weren't eating what the American dietary
whatever said was enough, then I would buy a TON of different
veggies. And I would remember that kids portions of food are 1/2 to
1/3 the size of mine. Kids need more spare calories than adults do
too, because they are growing and burning energy by learning, running
and just being!
We've only been doing this for six months. We are still seeing the
effects of previously being limited. The best step we've taken to
break this is going to Sam's club, buying the biggest container of
each of their favorite candies, and leaving it in the kitchen.
Whenever they ask, we say yes. That's all, just 'yes'. Sometimes I'll
say yes, and then ask if they'll bring me one too. Just put all your
snacks out for snack time, invite them in. Let them make snacks. My
hubby bought a cookbook called my first cookbook where they can make
cookies and ice cream snacks and all kinds of fun stuff. Not only do
we get to do things together, they're homemade, less preservatives
and highfructose corn syrup, and we have a great time together. We
dip a lot of fresh fruit in chocolate almond bark (nutrients and
chocolate at the same time) And sometimes one of them will say, "mom,
I could really use some broccolli right night", and so that's what we
have.
It'll work out. Give it six months. Then reassess what's going
on. :-) Scary, I know! I still worry.
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
On Feb 25, 2006, at 8:05 PM, alder7run@... wrote:
>
> My original question still stands, i.e. does anyone have experience
> removing restrictions with their children, and if so what was that
> like?
> How long did it take for the children to settle into making decisions
> based on how they feel now, rather than reacting to formerly imposed
> arbitrary restrictions?
<snip>
> To explain my concern just a bit more, in the past, Faye and Annika
> ate
> more of a variety of things (not by force, by choice). Now it seems
> they
> are more willing to decline because they know there are other
> 'tastier'
> things around that I will not stop them from having, like cookies,
> cheetos
> or whatever.
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And while you said that your children ate a variety by choice,
in the next sentence you say that now you have "other 'tastier'
choices around". So, yeah, they are getting to choose things now,
things that they want to choose, not just what's most appealing out
of what you bought previously.
----Yes, you're right. I just wanted to be clear that we didn't force them
to eat things they didn't like, even in our controlling times.
We've only been doing this for six months. We are still seeing the
effects of previously being limited. The best step we've taken to
break this is going to Sam's club, buying the biggest container of
each of their favorite candies, and leaving it in the kitchen.
Whenever they ask, we say yes.
----That's a good idea. We have noticed that candy doesn't disappear
immediately like it did in the beginning.
It'll work out. Give it six months. Then reassess what's going
on. :-) Scary, I know! I still worry.
----Thanks Melissa. That's what I needed to hear, and from someone who's
been there. We're not giving up. : )
Gayle
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in the next sentence you say that now you have "other 'tastier'
choices around". So, yeah, they are getting to choose things now,
things that they want to choose, not just what's most appealing out
of what you bought previously.
----Yes, you're right. I just wanted to be clear that we didn't force them
to eat things they didn't like, even in our controlling times.
We've only been doing this for six months. We are still seeing the
effects of previously being limited. The best step we've taken to
break this is going to Sam's club, buying the biggest container of
each of their favorite candies, and leaving it in the kitchen.
Whenever they ask, we say yes.
----That's a good idea. We have noticed that candy doesn't disappear
immediately like it did in the beginning.
It'll work out. Give it six months. Then reassess what's going
on. :-) Scary, I know! I still worry.
----Thanks Melissa. That's what I needed to hear, and from someone who's
been there. We're not giving up. : )
Gayle
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