Sandra Dodd: Questions from people who aren't here are difficult, and if they're not unschoolers...
Rebecca Allen: Bye Darcel! Have fun!
reneecabatic: bye Darcel! have a fun park day!
Serah: i am on the phone with her, and she is trying to tell me what is going on
Jill Parmer: Doesn't everyone keep some food in the house?
Sandra Dodd: Jill, and example of a parent who talks a big line but is being kind of neglectful.
ColleenPrieto: it was on FB - Sandra if you'd like I can see if I can find a way to send it (or a link to it) to you if you'd like - can I say here who the family is?
Robin Bentley: Jill, I was wondering about that, too.
Sandra Dodd: Better not to, Colleen (to name names)
Sandra Dodd: But if you want to write to me on the side, that's fine.
ColleenPrieto: that's what I figured :)
Sandra Dodd: Jill, you think everyone keeps food in the house!?
ColleenPrieto: re the no-names
Rebecca Allen: Not everyone keeps food in the house, Jill.
ColleenPrieto: but I'll email you :)
Sandra Dodd: That would be cool. My mom didn't but she was not very with it.
Sandra Dodd: And she wasn't identifying herself in public as a great unschooler.
Renee Smock: Hi been lurking.. jumping in to say that I get really irritated when I hear moms say "we're such unschoolers" when their kids are breaking some sort of social rule or climbing on something at a restaurant
reneecabatic: Sandra--how would you go about blowing the whistle?
Sandra Dodd: Renee, someone said I would but that doesn't mean there's a whistle or a place to blow one. That wasn't me saying. :-)
Sandra Dodd: Renee, I agree. Someone (maybe from here) told a story of a family in a homeschooling group and they went on a field trip to a museum, and because they had become unschoolers, the mom let the kids cross the barrier ropes and get on display dinosaurs. Shrugged and said oh well, now we're unschoolers, or some such. I heard.
AlexPolykow: how can you not have food in the house. Even when we are broke there is some food in the house!
Jill Parmer: Feeling ignorant here, yes, I did think people kept food in the house. Wait, that can't be right, I've seen a house with almost no food in it. wow.
Robin Bentley: We have so much food, I keep having to find new places to store it.
Renee Smock: It would be nice though, if some of the bad information/examples out there about unschooling could be cleared out.
Sandra Dodd: Two of my kids told me separately of having been to that house when there was nothing for the kid to eat, and they had to go buy food (my kids, with their money, late at night).
Chris Sanders: I'm fantasizing - not saying it's necessarily a good idea but thinking of a side-by-side comparison -- This is unschooling: This is NOT unschooling
Robin Bentley: I agree, Renee. But how to do that.
Sandra Dodd: And kid #2 was unhappy later that kid #2 had not warned her.
AlexPolykow: A house with kids Jill?
Jennie: Chris, like Goofus and Gallant? that would be great!
Rebecca Allen: Your kid #2, Sandra? confused.
Jill Parmer: Yes, Alex. My dad's house when my sister and I went to visit him one summer. I remember eating at the neighbor's house a lot.
reneecabatic: well....i guess I'm asking cuz I've wanted to say something and haven't known how to go about saying it....to a Ma who claims to be an unschooler but where there are issues ....possibly neglect. Definitely lack of connection with the kid
Chris Sanders: Did Sandra get bumped?
Sandra Dodd: Other kid wasn't numbered. One of my kids knew something. Another of my kids, another year/time/place, same family, discovered the same problem
Serah: MY friend's son (the oldest of 3 children) seems to require 24/7 attention. It is a matter of seconds that he can go from being a great engaged kid, to one who bothers everyone else. She is very frustrated with this situation
Chris Sanders: There she is -- you disappeared from my sidebar list
AlexPolykow: I can see a bachelor not having food but when I was married to my first husband I always went shopping right before the kids came over to make sure there was enough food they liked and kids friendly items.
Robin Bentley: The truth is that people will do what they want to do and call it whatever they want. And get annoyed when someone tells them that's not what they're doing, actually. It's a free country!
Sandra Dodd: Serah, there's nothing we can do to advise second-hand that way, I don't think.
Rebecca Allen: Ah, okay Sandra.
Robin Bentley: Serah, some kids really do need more attention than others.
Sandra Dodd: Robin's right.
Jill Parmer: Renne Cabatic, whenever I've said something to people in general who claim unschooling but show by words and actions not-unschooling, they get very angry and say mean/rude things about me.
Sandra Dodd: Rather than making a list of what screw-ups are, it might be better to remind people occasionally that there are better examples and worse examples.
Sandra Dodd: And it's up to each person to find good examples to emulate
Sandra Dodd: And not to confuse giddy, showy "LOOK AT US, we are UNschoolers!" with a clear understanding and a peaceful life.
reneecabatic: JillP- that's what I've been warned.....
AlexPolykow: Serah my sister's older kid is like that and the only solution is to be with him or engaging him almost 24/7.
Jill Parmer: It's ugly and gives me a stomach ache. So I don't mind unschooling without an unschooling group. :-)
Sandra Dodd: There was an incident this morning where someone told a bald-faced lie about me on a conference mailing list.
reneecabatic: i feel guilt for not helping the kid--guess that is my own issue to work through.
Jill Parmer: meaning local group. I love some online groups, and online friends, and some conferences.
Rebecca Allen: At least we have our moms' lunch, Jill.
Serah: really Alex, but how do you do that when there are the needs of 2 other children to juggle as well
Sandra Dodd: Renee, do you want to write to me on the side and tell me who? If I get the same name twice, I'll write to the person. :-)
Jill Parmer: Yes, Rebecca!
reneecabatic: yes--I'm sure it's the same :-/
Robin Bentley: Renee, do you have a blog that this mom reads? If so, maybe you could be subtle and post "getting warmer" "getting colder" comparisons.
AlexPolykow: Of the number of local unschoolers in my town one kid is going to school, the others are doing Well Trained Mind and the others are just relaxed homeschoolers,. Only one family unschools now.
reneecabatic: no Robin-I don't have a blog (XuMei doesn't like me writing about or posting photos of her)
Jill Parmer: Sandra, what did you do, or will you do about that lie? Sometimes, it seems I can't fight it, the negative things said about me. Nor do I want to spend my time doing that. I have so dang much fun with my family.
AlexPolykow: Serah she needs to do it best she can, I had my nephew here for 4 days plus his brother and my kids. It was doable.
Robin Bentley: Ah, how about FB? Do you post about unschooling there?
Robin Bentley: I guess it depends on whether this person is new to it or claims to have been doing it for a long time. Perhaps different levels of receptivity.
Robin Bentley: Serah, has this just started, the need for more focused attention?
reneecabatic: it's beyond subtle and yes--you hit the nail on the head-- receptivity
Serah: it seems to be something that they have been struggling with since he was little
Robin Bentley: Ah. Tricky.
Robin Bentley: Well, they've been struggling against it too long, then. When you give a child your full attention, the neediness can subside. If you've been resisting that need, it will come up again and again.
Chris Sanders: Serah, how old is the oldest?
Robin Bentley: And the other kids?
Serah: with a 7
Serah: 7 yo sister and 5 year old bro
Robin Bentley: So, I wonder if it started when the oldest was 2? It sucks to have your parents focus on a new sibling.
Rebecca Allen: It's probably easy for me to say as the mom of an intense only child, but I have noticed that pattern with some friends, Serah. It seems to be about the oldest child, and more about the mom than the child.
Rebecca Allen: The other kids have needs too, but sometimes they get overlooked.
Serah: yes, it did start about then...
Sandra Dodd: Without the mom here for us to ask, it doesn't seem to be a good use of the chat, to discuss another family.
Sandra Dodd: It's not an unschooling issue, is it?
Sandra Dodd: Jill, I wrote "that's not true."
Robin Bentley: It would be a parenting issue that leaks into unschooling. But maybe the mom should come to a chat.
Rebecca Allen: On the topic of "what can people misunderstand or do badly"...not enough attention to keeping the parenting partner happy.
Serah: I agree Sandra, she is on the phone with me.
Robin Bentley: Rebecca, that's a good point. Partners can get left in the dust sometimes.
Serah: She is unschooling, her son has been in school before, but the problems got worse so he came home, all the secular advice is focused on medication and counselling, but she is adamant that this is not the way
Rebecca Allen: I really appreciate all that I've read on unschooling lists about keeping families intact.
Sandra Dodd: Good point, Rebecca.
Sandra Dodd: At first, the mom gets all excited with the kids, but it needs pretty quickly to move toward being a family project.
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Sandra Dodd: Serah, if a kid needs attention, he needs attention.
Sandra Dodd: Some kids need more. Some kids need lots.
AlexPolykow: very good point Rebecca. I am glad that unschooling has made my marriage better but I see still so many getting divorced
Sandra Dodd: Nothing we say can change that.
Robin Bentley: And Rebecca, it's one of those things you can't get much support with either, in the wider world. I watch women treat their partners so badly. I've learned a lot about how to engage and treat my husband from unschooling.
Sandra Dodd: if the mom suspects there's something she could be doing different, maybe she can ask people who know her and her family dynamics to give her particular advice.
reneecabatic: JillP, Sandra Dodd-- I am incredulous that people write bad, mean things about you 2!!! --I think it says more about the writer than you.
Marta BP: Me too, Robin (hi everyone!)
Rebecca Allen: Yes, Alex. i've seen some divorces lately, and they seem so selfish with kids getting hurt. I've also seen some families staying together through much greater trials than the divorcing folks.
Sandra Dodd: If the relationship between the mom and oldest child is strained, maybe a friend could talk directly to the older boy.
AlexPolykow: was it on unschooling basics that the mother had moved out and she was worried the kids played a alot of video games but never took in consideration that their world was turned upside down?
Sandra Dodd: I did that once, with a teenaged unschooler. The mom and teen weren't communicating well, and I got permission to mediate a bit. It helped.
Chris Sanders: Renee wrote way back -=-Sandra-- the bad examples caused me and Chris to stumble in our learning and getting unschooling--we actually paused and said--well if THAT is unschooling we aren't unschoolers -=- This is what hindered my understanding of unschooling too, long ago. Set me back a good 6 years!
Robin Bentley: Hey, Alex. That's happened to a family I'm close to. The dad (who was the gamer) moved out and computers are banned from the mom's house.
Sandra Dodd: But Renee, were they really bad examples, or did it seem crazy/radical to you?
Sandra Dodd: Because sometimes people might have seen our family and said "Crazy; we're not doing that."
Robin Bentley: The kids' relationship with their mother is much worse (at least the older ones). It's really awful what the mom's crusade has done to the family.
Sandra Dodd: Oh, Robin, that's AWFUL!
Chris Sanders: for me -- I think they were bad examples. For one, I attended a Rethinking Education conference that left me with a very bad taste. Taking Children Seriously was all the rage then.
Robin Bentley: But she has "goals" for her kids. And she's determined to see them through.
Robin Bentley: All the kids are in school of one kind or another.
AlexPolykow: When I met the first local homeschool group there was a mother who unschooled and her son was a couple years older than mine and it was a bad example of her doing nothing when her son would bully mine, glad I thought that was wrong and was always there with my son.'
Sandra Dodd: It reminds me (imperfectly; it's not a parallel) of my friend Michael, whose friends got divorced when he was younger. His mother hated his father and said so, and as he got older and moved through puberty and grew a heavy beard, he looked, and was, more and more like the father who had already been declared despised.
AlexPolykow: That is sad Robin!
Sandra Dodd: This seems like an electronic version of that kind of rejection.
Robin Bentley: Sandra, you don't know how awful. Now Senna's friend is banned from contacting us.
Robin Bentley: Because electronics are okay with us.
Rebecca Allen: Oh Robin. That is terrible.
Chris Sanders: Does the dad have some custody? Can she be in touch with you and Senna when she's with her dad?
Jill Parmer: I've put into action here, what I learned from really solid unschoolers, and it's paid off so nicely. My family enjoys each other, we crack up at our personal jokes, we know each others' struggles and help alleviate those. I love love love when any of us are doing things together, and chatting and having a good time...even hard work stuff.
Robin Bentley: The dad is hands-off. He's a bit scared I think, because the mom has threatened to cut off visitations. Don't know if she can do it, but she'd try.
Jill Parmer: Oh I'm really sorry to hear that , Robin. You seem to have been a good place for that friend.
Robin Bentley: Jill and Chris, I think you met her at Life is Good.
Chris Sanders: That is sad.
Robin Bentley: Yeah. The consequences for the child are worse if she contacts us. Chores, grounding, cell phone taken away when she walks in the door.
Chris Sanders: Jill, it's great that you discovered and recognized solid unschoolers early on.
Robin Bentley: So, onto other things.
reneecabatic: sorry- stepped away to make eggs
Rebecca Allen: Is that scenario rather common for teen unschoolers and their friends? Seems like JennyC's family had something similar.
Jill Parmer: Sandra's work has paid off nicely in my family. /happy
Robin Bentley: Unschooling requires a lot of thinking and soul searching on behalf of the parent.
reneecabatic: yes- the bad examples were like no food examples--bad not just misunderstood
Sandra Dodd: Thanks, Jill.
AlexPolykow: I think when unschoolers say their kids make their own decisions and that they can sleep when they want to and eat what they want too most people visualize this chaotic home where kids live on twinkies and soda and that they spend all night awake and do nothing but watch tv and play games and that they learn nothing >
Robin Bentley: Yes, Rebecca. Similar stuff to Jenny's. Except that Senna's friend can't leave and live with us, even if she'd want to.
Jill Parmer: I think I recognized the confidence, and was not afraid of the thoughtful arguments. I was giddy about them.
Robin Bentley: Jill, it's like "Wow, I've never thought about it like that! Hmmm."
Sandra Dodd: That's a nice way to put it, Jill, and a nice thing to say.
Sandra Dodd: I feel that way about being around Pam and Joyce.
AlexPolykow: We watch TV and play video games a lot, well my son loves video games and we have satellite and our home is not like that even when we drink soda and eat twinkies!
Sandra Dodd: They never hesitate or look scared. :-)
Sandra Dodd: They just solidly know for absodamnlutely what they're talking about.
Sandra Dodd: Some people are out there talking about unschooling as though they're doing a school report.
Robin Bentley: Yes. You and Pam and Joyce - good to be around.
Sandra Dodd: They've paraphrased some things they read and they're repeating them.
Sandra Dodd: It's a little like people thinking if they can perfectly imitate a musical performance, that they're as good as the person who originated it.
Sandra Dodd: If they can sound like Michael Jackson at karaoke, that Michael Jackson wasn't all that.
AlexPolykow: I so want to come to your conference Sandra.
Sandra Dodd: Alex, sell some bull sperm and come on down!
AlexPolykow: and be around you and deb and pam
Sandra Dodd: http://sandradodd.com/all
Rebecca Allen: Me too, Alex and Sandra.
Jill Parmer: When I first went to conferences, I used to place myself around Sandra and Pam, just to hear more things, and watch interactions.
reneecabatic: YAYAY-- Chris and I ran numbers last night and I think he can come with us to Always Learning Live!!!
Marta BP: I wish I lived in the States, Alex ;) so I could go too
ColleenPrieto: Yes it would be amazing to hear/meet Sandra, Joyce, Pam, etc. all in person instead of just online!
AlexPolykow: I am going to try very hard!
Rebecca Allen: I think December will be hard, but I'm really hoping to make next summer work.
Sandra Dodd: Renee, Pam Sorooshian and I decided to call it ALL Unschooling because it's easier to say, and people won't be as afraid of it maybe :-)
Chris Sanders: I was surrounded locally by moms who called themselves unschoolers but in hindsight, they were really homeschooling for excellence -- trying to raise super-brainiacs
Robin Bentley: It's interesting to see the shift in people's views. Senna was talking about being up in the night to family. At one time, they would have looked askance at that, but they know she knows people all around the world online and that she writes and draws and connects. The comment was "hey, you'd do well on the nightshift."
Sandra Dodd: It's only four syllables, and it's descriptive.
AlexPolykow: I have been around Schuyler and that was the first real great unschooling family I was around. When MD was 5 and Gigi about 18 months old.
Jill Parmer: Renee C, and Chris S. If you need a place to stay the night, you are welcome in Fort Collins. We have floor space.
Sandra Dodd: The full name is no shorter, but the short name is shorter. :-)
Rebecca Allen: ALL as opposed to vegan, Sandra? Hehe.
Jill Parmer: on your way to ALL unschooling symposium.
JessicaO: was just reading back: is darcel gone? just wanted to suggest writing as a way of cheap therapy (tho therapy with others is also good)
Sandra Dodd: Kirby is working 11:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. these days
Chris Sanders: Thanks Jill -- we might be taking the Amtrak!
Sandra Dodd: 11:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. these days.
Chris Sanders: and we're bringing along a mom and daughter, local friends
Robin Bentley: Yep. And Senna knows how to adjust her schedule for what she wants or needs to do.
Jill Parmer: Oh yeah, the kids were talking about that on Skype.
JessicaO: i noticed that.. if i see her online another time, i'll suggest that. i've been writing on 750words.com, and find it helps a LOT
Robin Bentley: Oh, Amtrak, Chris. That might be a way for us to come, too. Still working on it.
reneecabatic: JillP--we found that flying directly to ABQ is cheaper than driving .....but oh! how I am tempted to drive and stay at folks houses and see the sites! but it would mean Chris can't come-- too much work off
AlexPolykow: I do not know if flying or driving. Probably flying down would be my best bet and cheaper .
Sandra Dodd: Chris, double check that amtrak think. I think they put you on a bus to get across kansas or something like that.
Chris Sanders: right, you've probably "met" Megan
Chris Sanders: Thanks Sandra, I'll check.
JessicaO: ok brb need to read the other page t get caught up
Robin Bentley: Oh, I gotta go. I'm going to sit with a friend getting chemo. Thanks for the great chat, as always.
Sandra Dodd: Rebecca, is that like vegan? It IS all unschooling.
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reneecabatic: bye Robin!
Rebecca Allen: Yes, Sandra! Bad joke attempt on my part.
Sandra Dodd: Rebecca, I just saw this: " I think December will be hard, but I'm really hoping to make next summer work." Keith thinks summer is a Very Bad Time
AlexPolykow: Amtrak does not go from MN to Albuquerque I have checked .
Sandra Dodd: and that if this year's works and we want to bring the Waynforths out, that we should do it in December 2012
Rebecca Allen: What's bad about summer? Isn't that when Schuyler is coming in 2012?
Rebecca Allen: Ah, okay.
Chris Sanders: Southwest Chief from KC to Albuquerque
Jill Parmer: Oh yeah, Renee C. a flight is so much easier/cheaper. I forget how long of a drive it is, even though I've done it.
Rebecca Allen: Well I will try extra hard to make December work then!
AlexPolykow: that would probably be better for me Sandra. I want really bad to see them and I want to go to Washington DC next year dor the Video games expo at the Smithsonian plus do the Fallout 3 game tour with my son.
Rebecca Allen: That sounds like tons of fun, Alex!
reneecabatic: also if we drive we'd be driving right through towns where we have family living so we'd feel compelled to stop and it's christmas time and ugh...just ugh on the driving thing
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Marta BP: for someone flying from Europe, what's the closest airport/city?
Sandra Dodd: I got behind and the chatroom wouldn't let me look at save/print.
Sandra Dodd: Albuquerque is the closest airport, Marta.
Sandra Dodd: Dallas is the closest international port.
reneecabatic: oh- and snowy mountain passes with our very old vehicles....not looking great...basically I'm talking myself out of driving because I'd really enjoy driving :-)
Marta BP: oh ok
Sandra Dodd: Or Los Angeles, might be cheaper for a connecting flight (potentially) for an international flight to Albuquerque.
AlexPolykow: Yes it is very very far for me too. I will probably be better off flying. Brian woould not be able to come.
Sandra Dodd: So DFW or LAX, and ABQ (if you're looking at airport codes)l
Marta BP: ok
Marta BP: checking it out now
reneecabatic: Sandra-- do you want me to e-mail you through Facebook or e-mail---I don't have your address
AlexPolykow: the hotel prices are not bad at all. how is eating out over there Sandra?
Chris Sanders: Alex, if you drove to DSM, you could ride with us to the Amtrak station in KC (3 hoursish)
Sandra Dodd: Sandra@SandraDodd.com
Sandra Dodd: Eating out is easy, Alex.
reneecabatic: oh! easy! thanks :-)
Sandra Dodd: There's a New Mexican restaurant attached to the hotel. The food is very spicy.
Sandra Dodd: In the parking lot is The Owl Cafe, a 50's-style burger joint.
Chris Sanders: and I hear there's a Target behind the hotel? SuperTarget by chance?
Sandra Dodd: Down the parking lot a bit is a Panda Express (crap food, but quantity of rice)
Jill Parmer: About screwing up unschooling, I wish bad examples were not written about so much. In our local homeschooling group, a mom wrote that she was really sick for a week, so she let her son unschool, and he went ape-shit with all the freedom (highly labeled, and controlled), so it just wouldn't work for them.
Chris Sanders: Des Moines
Sandra Dodd: Across the road is a Sonic (cheaper and more variety).
Sandra Dodd: Super Target behind, yeah.
Sandra Dodd: OMG, Jill, I HATE that, when people say "We unschool on the weekends:"
Sandra Dodd: Or |After my kids do their lessons, I just let them unschool"
AlexPolykow: Mexican is not something my kids like ( I love it)> But if I can have plenty of snacks and some easy food than it works.
Jill Parmer: Which that part is fine, that it won't work for them. I don't like that people think unschooling is not being with your child, playing with doing things with them.
AlexPolykow: Sonic will work for them I think.
Chris Sanders: I've heard people who's kids are in school say they unschool in the evenings and on weekends!
AlexPolykow: Sounds perfect with the target right there>
Chris Sanders: Alex - did you see that DSM = Des Moines?
AlexPolykow: Chris where is DSM
ColleenPrieto: there's a family local to us that "unschools everything except the important subjects" (which they define as math and reading) - argh!
AlexPolykow: Des Moines??
AlexPolykow: OH OK"
Chris Sanders: central Iowa -- OMG!
reneecabatic: I feel offended when they say that....like they are implying I do nothing at all
AlexPolykow: I will check into that !
Chris Sanders: right Renee
reneecabatic: I met a family who told me they unschool and then went on to say they do Thomas Jefferson and don't allow video games....um...what?
Chris Sanders: I think it'd be about a 2-1/2 hour drive for you, Alex, maybe?
Jill Parmer: Yes. Renee. And then if you point that out they are completely baffled that they implied that. %-/
AlexPolykow: It is like 3 -3 1/2 Chris.
Sandra Dodd: Do you want to see the magnets Holly's working on?
Chris Sanders: ugh, you must live further off of I-35 than I was hoping.
Chris Sanders: Yes!
Jill Parmer: Yes, please, Sandra.
AlexPolykow: thanks for the offer. I will check into it!. If I can break the trip up get to your house and spend the night then it may be OK
Sandra Dodd: "except important" is SUCH a serious problem, and it's hard to explain to people who think they know what's important and all.
reneecabatic: I don't have the guts to point it out yet---I am too afraid of the conflict cuz they usually respond with "OMG you are ATTACKING me!!"
Sandra Dodd: She's sending me the link now.
Jill Parmer: Thank you, Holly.
Sandra Dodd: She has four out of five
rather than Holly's link from that day, the magnets are the first five (or the only five) here: http://sandradodd.com/magnets
Jill Parmer: If you go SW first Alex, I'm in Fort Collins, CO.
Sandra Dodd: Don't point it out, Renee.
Sandra Dodd: Let them fail.
reneecabatic: that idea that there is core knowledge that is more important than other knowledge still messes with my head sometimes...I feel less important because the things I am interested in aren't as "valuable" as other things
Sandra Dodd: It's enough that we help everyone who wants help without feeling bad about people who didn't want help
Sandra Dodd: They will miss all the connections to be made when "the unit of study" is everything in the whole wide world.
reneecabatic: Sandra-- you point it out so well though.....I am envious of your cut to the chase ability
Chris Sanders: Cool images/artwork Holly!
Marta BP: yes ladies, what you do is SOOOO important ;)
AlexPolykow: Thanks Jill. That is really nice of you too,
reneecabatic: Can we buy these , Holly?
JessicaO: ok i'm as caught up as i can get! chris, when did you go to rethinking ed?
JessicaO: i went 3 different years... 98 (the kids were small and we were smack in the middle of a chicken pox outbreak)..
reneecabatic: I love the rainbow houses image
Chris Sanders: um... maybe 2003?? Can't remember
ColleenPrieto: I love the magnets - awesome!
JessicaO: and i think 2007 and 2008 or 2006 and 2007
Holly: Yes, you can buy them when we have them! We'll mail 'em to you, Renee.
JessicaO: ah ok... i didn't like it because the middle time we went, there was a bit of a fight over whether or not drugs were okay...
Jill Parmer: Really? 2006 was the Live and Learn in ABQ and that was really nice.
JessicaO: gary was mixed up with that
Rebecca Allen: Cool, Holly! I will purchase some.
Rebecca Allen: Thanks for the chat everyone. Off to hook up our new Wii!
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Jill Parmer: Alex, I really want to meet, Gigi. If I were her age, I'd be her best friend. She does such fun stuff.
Chris Sanders: We attended L&L in St. Louis, then Albq.
JessicaO: I hope to go to live & learn some day!
Chris Sanders: Then they were out east for a couple of years and we didn't go.
Jill Parmer: Live & Learn is no more, Jessica.
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JessicaO: Holly: HI!!
Chris Sanders: Zoe and I are going to make Strawberry Poppyseed Chicken Salads like Panera's have, so bye!
ColleenPrieto: "it only takes a second to do better" - love it! Is Rethinking Education different from the Rethinking Everything conference? We've never been to an unschooling conference before...
JessicaO: Jill, ok, I guess they metamorphasize (however that's spelled)
Holly: Hello, (Jessica! Hope you're well)
Chris Sanders: Rethinking Everything is the new name
Chris Sanders: they've broadened their focus
Chris Sanders: I guess
AlexPolykow: Jill she has been spending most of the days helping dad working on the farm. She wanted to stay with dad fixing fences instead of going to the park to see her best friend ( which I think she has been a little disappointed with).
reneecabatic: Awesome Holly! Or I can get them in December when I visit (squeeeeeee!)
JessicaO: colleen, i don't remember for sure why they changed the name...it's everything now
Sandra Dodd: That sounds like a cool lunch, Chris.
ColleenPrieto: got it - who puts that one on? not the martins, right?
AlexPolykow: I made it to Live and Learn in 2007 . My son talked for years about itl He loved it!
Sandra Dodd: Renee, we need to see if the magnets work, and decide what to sell them for, and take a nap. :-)
Chris Sanders: Jessica -- Live & Learn is no longer, but there are lots of smaller, regional spin-offs. I prefer to just go to Sandra's gatherings anymore.
Sandra Dodd: And those things won't happen in that order. :-)
JessicaO: if i go again, it'd be for the boys and for the drum circles... i think the martins are going to be there this year tho
Chris Sanders: Okay, really signing off now -- hungry
Sandra Dodd: Colleen, the Northeast Unschooling Conference might be fun.
Sandra Dodd: Or there's one in Toronto every year, but I think it's passed. Has it?
JessicaO: the boys really liked going... my oldest really enjoyed the contest where they had to do and eat weird things... based on a tv show whose name escapes me
AlexPolykow: A small get together with people like the ones at Sandra's All is more what I like and would enjoy. My kids too.
JessicaO: huggs chris!!
ColleenPrieto: northeast unschooling - I will check that out online and see where/when it is :)
Sandra Dodd: Oh! http://www.livingjoyfully.ca/conference/
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Sandra Dodd: Fear Factor, Jessica?
JessicaO: alex, my kids LOVED visiting with sandra & co in december.. that was a small group
ColleenPrieto: I too like small gatherings which is why I haven't been inspired to try a conference yet - but might be fun
AlexPolykow: Loved the magnets Holly!
reneecabatic: lol! enjoy the nap :-) Gonna go let XuMei have this computer for gaming! have a great day. and thanks for the chat!
JessicaO: yep Fear Factor!
JessicaO: micah won or tied with another kid in that fear factor competition
Sandra Dodd: Holly's working on #5 magnet, Alex, but I told her.
JessicaO: take care, renee!
AlexPolykow: Exactly jessica. I think smaller is better for us plus I want to be with people like Jill, Sandra, pam, deb Lewis ......
Holly: Renee, tell XuMei I say Hi and I miss her!
AlexPolykow: I am going to need some for my fridge if they work out. Let me know!!
Sandra Dodd: http://www.northeastunschoolingconference.com/ ... august 25, might be too late to sign up
Sandra Dodd: but might not!
JessicaO: i think we would be happy with a combo of the 2: something big ish for the boys with something like fear factor and something small for me so i don't get overwhelmed or frustrated bcuz I can't hear a speaker
ColleenPrieto: thanks for the link!
JessicaO: the last time I went to rethinking ed (it was still ed that year) was when Ren Allen was there!
Sandra Dodd: Okay, thanks for being here and I'm going now. Next week, the next page. :-)
Sandra Dodd: "Why Rush to Get It?"
Sandra Dodd: Kids get older.
AlexPolykow: You guys know I love this chat but I got so much to do. thanks Sandra for the chat.\
Sandra Dodd: Next week. :-)
Jill Parmer: For the Northeast unschooling conference, you need to contact the organizer asap, to get the good hotel rate. She just posted that on fb.
ColleenPrieto: thanks all - i'm signing off to go play :)
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JessicaO: i hope my book turns up... it's buried in the mess in here... we need bookcases!
ColleenPrieto: Jill - is there a FB page for the conference?
JessicaO: have fun, colleen!
Jill Parmer: Not sure. use the website above.
ColleenPrieto: will do - thanks :)
Jill Parmer: bye all.