Getting fat and cavities
Michele Sears
Dear all,
A thought that worries me regarding open access to sweets/junk food - what
about getting fat (the kids) and/or causing/aggravating dental caries??
Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids), I'm wondering what
experiences others have had regarding cavities/fat when allowing open access
to sweets/junk.
I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dental
appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. Or what
about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
poster noticed with her daughter and herself. I've also noticed this about
myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all!
Thanks,
Michele
A thought that worries me regarding open access to sweets/junk food - what
about getting fat (the kids) and/or causing/aggravating dental caries??
Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids), I'm wondering what
experiences others have had regarding cavities/fat when allowing open access
to sweets/junk.
I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dental
appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. Or what
about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
poster noticed with her daughter and herself. I've also noticed this about
myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all!
Thanks,
Michele
Game-Enthusiast
Or what
about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
poster noticed with her daughter and herself.
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That was me. But I want to clarify. My dd doesn't just *keep on going*, if
by that you mean that she eats sweets uncontrollably. Despite the fact that
dd2 eats a lot more sweets than dd1, it still isn't to excess. (Dd1 doesn't
much care for sweets.) I was just trying to make the point that different
people with free access to food will choose varying amounts of sweets
depending on their likes and dislikes. Neither of my kids eats to the point
where they are uncomfortable. Dd2 likes sweets and eats them more often
than some people mention about their kids with open access to foods but she
also, over the course of a week, eats a wide variety of foods, including
fruits, veggies, and whole grains. I just have to look at it over the
course of a week, and not necessarily a day. (also, I want to mention that
what I do doesn't really count because I wasn't raised with free access and
I was forced to clean my plate, so I have issues of my own.)
For the record, Neither of my children with open access to all foods have
any cavities at all and both are thin and healthy.
I didn't mean by bringing this up to put a boulder in the path of people who
are trying to ease up with food issues. <please continue to ease up!> I
just wanted them to realize that it may (or may not) look different at their
house or with each of their children than someone else's house or children,
with regards to what is eaten and what isn't.
I was trying to say, that despite the fact that we have never controlled
food that one dd likes and eats sweets more often than the other. Both are
thin and healthy and neither have cavities.
I think I am starting to repeat myself. I'll be quiet now. <g>
Angela
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about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
poster noticed with her daughter and herself.
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That was me. But I want to clarify. My dd doesn't just *keep on going*, if
by that you mean that she eats sweets uncontrollably. Despite the fact that
dd2 eats a lot more sweets than dd1, it still isn't to excess. (Dd1 doesn't
much care for sweets.) I was just trying to make the point that different
people with free access to food will choose varying amounts of sweets
depending on their likes and dislikes. Neither of my kids eats to the point
where they are uncomfortable. Dd2 likes sweets and eats them more often
than some people mention about their kids with open access to foods but she
also, over the course of a week, eats a wide variety of foods, including
fruits, veggies, and whole grains. I just have to look at it over the
course of a week, and not necessarily a day. (also, I want to mention that
what I do doesn't really count because I wasn't raised with free access and
I was forced to clean my plate, so I have issues of my own.)
For the record, Neither of my children with open access to all foods have
any cavities at all and both are thin and healthy.
I didn't mean by bringing this up to put a boulder in the path of people who
are trying to ease up with food issues. <please continue to ease up!> I
just wanted them to realize that it may (or may not) look different at their
house or with each of their children than someone else's house or children,
with regards to what is eaten and what isn't.
I was trying to say, that despite the fact that we have never controlled
food that one dd likes and eats sweets more often than the other. Both are
thin and healthy and neither have cavities.
I think I am starting to repeat myself. I'll be quiet now. <g>
Angela
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carelia
> A thought that worries me regarding open access to sweets/junk foodMy kids self-regulate food. Types, quantity, timing. We have candy, ice
> - what
> about getting fat (the kids) and/or causing/aggravating dental caries??
cream, cookies around most of the time but it's never an issue (except
for DH!!).
Older kids (Katherine is 16 and Christopher is 13) each have one small
cavity that was filled without Novocain (they were that small). Aaron
(age 5) has never had one.
They are all in the 65% range for height and 50% for weight for their
ages (or thereabouts, I don't keep real close tabs on that but we
looked it up the other day for fun because Katherine asked).
They are rarely sick, tho we have family allergies and we get the
normal colds. Katherine hasn't been substantially sick (more than
normal colds/flu) in about 7 years, Christopher the same. Aaron has
never needed antibiotics for any reason.
They play Nintendo and computer games and watch TV, also all
unrestricted. They are all nightowls, and we help the youngest with his
teeth but not the older two.
Just my experience. HTH.
C.
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In a message dated 8/19/04 7:09:15 PM, brewstersears@... writes:
<< I've also noticed this about
myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all! >>
But that didn't come from your having freedom as a child.
<<Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids)>>
Why should tooth brushing have to be right before bed? If they brush a couple
of times a day, it's not going to matter what time it was.
<< I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dental
appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. >>
If none of this sounds sensible or doable to you, don't do it. There's
nothing magic. There are just principles and the avoidance of other generations'
problems. We might be no more right than our parents were, but I'll tell
you this: My mom didn't think too hard about what she was doing and I've done a
lot of thinking and reading. I might be wrg, but I'm not just following along.
Read all you can find, think about what you've experi
Zenced and what you see around you, and who you think is closest to useful
information, and make your own decisions. There's no more that can be done.
The dental profession isn't the sharpest tack in the forward-looking medical
drawer, in my experience. I mistrust them generally. We have to live when
and where we live, though.
Sandra
<< I've also noticed this about
myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all! >>
But that didn't come from your having freedom as a child.
<<Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids)>>
Why should tooth brushing have to be right before bed? If they brush a couple
of times a day, it's not going to matter what time it was.
<< I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dental
appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. >>
If none of this sounds sensible or doable to you, don't do it. There's
nothing magic. There are just principles and the avoidance of other generations'
problems. We might be no more right than our parents were, but I'll tell
you this: My mom didn't think too hard about what she was doing and I've done a
lot of thinking and reading. I might be wrg, but I'm not just following along.
Read all you can find, think about what you've experi
Zenced and what you see around you, and who you think is closest to useful
information, and make your own decisions. There's no more that can be done.
The dental profession isn't the sharpest tack in the forward-looking medical
drawer, in my experience. I mistrust them generally. We have to live when
and where we live, though.
Sandra
Shannon Rizzo
Sandra wrote:
feeds the bacteria all night long. Nighttime is said to be the most
important time to brush - mouth is not rinsed and plaque is not rubbed off
by fruit/gum/brushing. For people prone to cavities, it might make a
significant difference. Cavities, though, depend a lot on the saliva and
on the presence of the strep bacteria in the mouth (it is what causes the
early childhood caries, which is the most prevalent infectious disease in
kids younger than 5.). Fluoride doesn't kill it and inhibits the
absorption of Vit D. Brushing/rubbing, and a minty mouthwash kills the
bacteria - according to an article in "Mothering" magazine a couple of
years ago.
My son Luke had to have his front 4 teeth removed at age 2 b/c of ECC, and
I am horribly prone to cavities, though I'm getting my act together wrt
brushing and flossing at night. My dh doesn't brush regularly and never
gets cavities. Hopefully my other kids will inherit his teeth and not
mine. ;>
Shannon R
> Why should tooth brushing have to be right before bed? If they brush aOne reason is the food particles and sugar residue that is on the teeth
> couple of times a day, it's not going to matter what time it was.
feeds the bacteria all night long. Nighttime is said to be the most
important time to brush - mouth is not rinsed and plaque is not rubbed off
by fruit/gum/brushing. For people prone to cavities, it might make a
significant difference. Cavities, though, depend a lot on the saliva and
on the presence of the strep bacteria in the mouth (it is what causes the
early childhood caries, which is the most prevalent infectious disease in
kids younger than 5.). Fluoride doesn't kill it and inhibits the
absorption of Vit D. Brushing/rubbing, and a minty mouthwash kills the
bacteria - according to an article in "Mothering" magazine a couple of
years ago.
My son Luke had to have his front 4 teeth removed at age 2 b/c of ECC, and
I am horribly prone to cavities, though I'm getting my act together wrt
brushing and flossing at night. My dh doesn't brush regularly and never
gets cavities. Hopefully my other kids will inherit his teeth and not
mine. ;>
Shannon R
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In a message dated 8/19/04 10:02:18 PM, shannon@... writes:
<< Nighttime is said to be the most important time to brush - >>
Nighttime is a long period of time for a child without an 8:00 bedtime.
My point is being bypassed. Your teeth don't know how to tell time.
-=-My son Luke had to have his front 4 teeth removed at age 2 b/c of ECC, and
I am horribly prone to cavities, though I'm getting my act together wrt
brushing and flossing at night. -=-
I've read (could be old info by now, or could still not have hit the
mainstream) that mothers pass the bacteria on to their children in infancy. So not
only are there differences in saliva [my own doesn't dissolve things very well,
and cough drops can last a long, long time (too long)], differences in the
hardness of the enamel, and then there's that possibility of being infected by
your mother from the many ways mothers get their salive in and on kids.
(Sharing food, but worse chewing food for kids.)
Kirby and Holly had soft enamel. Marty didn't. Marty has teeth like his
dad's, and the other kids are more like mine. The dentist blamed breastfeeding.
It's all he had to blame, as they were hardly eating any food at all when
the problems started. They were just on the same teeth on both of them, too, on
four teeth, but NOT the center four, the next four out. So classic "bottle
mouth" it was certainly not, and they didn't use bottles at that age anyway.
Sandra
<< Nighttime is said to be the most important time to brush - >>
Nighttime is a long period of time for a child without an 8:00 bedtime.
My point is being bypassed. Your teeth don't know how to tell time.
-=-My son Luke had to have his front 4 teeth removed at age 2 b/c of ECC, and
I am horribly prone to cavities, though I'm getting my act together wrt
brushing and flossing at night. -=-
I've read (could be old info by now, or could still not have hit the
mainstream) that mothers pass the bacteria on to their children in infancy. So not
only are there differences in saliva [my own doesn't dissolve things very well,
and cough drops can last a long, long time (too long)], differences in the
hardness of the enamel, and then there's that possibility of being infected by
your mother from the many ways mothers get their salive in and on kids.
(Sharing food, but worse chewing food for kids.)
Kirby and Holly had soft enamel. Marty didn't. Marty has teeth like his
dad's, and the other kids are more like mine. The dentist blamed breastfeeding.
It's all he had to blame, as they were hardly eating any food at all when
the problems started. They were just on the same teeth on both of them, too, on
four teeth, but NOT the center four, the next four out. So classic "bottle
mouth" it was certainly not, and they didn't use bottles at that age anyway.
Sandra
jennefer harper
I'm not a dentist, but what I have read is that caries
are linked to genes. You inherent the same bacteria
that lives in your parents' mouth. (Mothering Magazine
has some past articles online regarding this) So, if
you are hereditarially linked to getting caries, then
whether or not you eat a lot of sugary junk food
doesn't really matter. My take on it is to have good
oral hygiene no matter what. I would also highly
recommend getting regular cleanings. That helps get
out all the bacteria that you can not loosen with in
home care.
As far as getting fat, well, I think some people are
genetically prone to getting 'fat' too. But, I think
that has more to do with lack of excercise than eating
sugary junk food too. I think kids need a lot more
'excercise' than adults because they have so much
energy (at least my 3 year old). So, making sure they
get physical play and go outside is really important.
Not that this will necessarily help them stay 'slim',
but that it's healthy for them all around.
-Jennefer
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are linked to genes. You inherent the same bacteria
that lives in your parents' mouth. (Mothering Magazine
has some past articles online regarding this) So, if
you are hereditarially linked to getting caries, then
whether or not you eat a lot of sugary junk food
doesn't really matter. My take on it is to have good
oral hygiene no matter what. I would also highly
recommend getting regular cleanings. That helps get
out all the bacteria that you can not loosen with in
home care.
As far as getting fat, well, I think some people are
genetically prone to getting 'fat' too. But, I think
that has more to do with lack of excercise than eating
sugary junk food too. I think kids need a lot more
'excercise' than adults because they have so much
energy (at least my 3 year old). So, making sure they
get physical play and go outside is really important.
Not that this will necessarily help them stay 'slim',
but that it's healthy for them all around.
-Jennefer
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SHYRLEY WILLIAMS
Good teeth brushing and lots of exercise. If kids walk everywhere and go bike riding then they rarely get fat whatever they eat.
Shyrley
Michele Sears <brewstersears@...> wrote:
Dear all,
A thought that worries me regarding open access to sweets/junk food - what
about getting fat (the kids) and/or causing/aggravating dental caries??
Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids), I'm wondering what
experiences others have had regarding cavities/fat when allowing open access
to sweets/junk.
I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dental
appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. Or what
about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
poster noticed with her daughter and herself. I've also noticed this about
myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all!
Thanks,
Michele
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Michele Sears <brewstersears@...> wrote:
Dear all,
A thought that worries me regarding open access to sweets/junk food - what
about getting fat (the kids) and/or causing/aggravating dental caries??
Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids), I'm wondering what
experiences others have had regarding cavities/fat when allowing open access
to sweets/junk.
I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dental
appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. Or what
about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
poster noticed with her daughter and herself. I've also noticed this about
myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all!
Thanks,
Michele
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Michele writes:
You've assumed that if kids have a choice they'll always choose wrong. If they have the freedom to practice choice however, they get really good at it. My toddler dragged me into bed at around 9:30 because he wanted to sleep. My daughter decided 10 was her limit and that she was going to sleep in because today was going to be a busy one. What kid with no control would even consider when and why she personally needed to go to bed?
Dawn (in NS)
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Michele writes:
> A thought that worries me regarding open access to sweets/junk food - whatMy daughter's never had cavities. She's not a habitual brusher so I get spinbrushes so that when it does happen, it's a fairly good job. She's not fat. She stays up late a lot but then she just sleeps in.
>about getting fat (the kids) and/or causing/aggravating dental caries??
>Combined with playing video games, staying up late (which often means teeth
>brushing is less than perfect due to tired parents/kids), I'm wondering what
>experiences others have had regarding cavities/fat when allowing open access
>to sweets/junk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You've assumed that if kids have a choice they'll always choose wrong. If they have the freedom to practice choice however, they get really good at it. My toddler dragged me into bed at around 9:30 because he wanted to sleep. My daughter decided 10 was her limit and that she was going to sleep in because today was going to be a busy one. What kid with no control would even consider when and why she personally needed to go to bed?
> I wouldn't be very comfortable with waiting until the next dentalYou've assumed that because they have control over what they eat they'll choose junk all the time. My daughter crinkled her nose at the offer of chocolate last night in favour of fruit cocktail. My toddler brought me back his half eaten peanut butter cup because he was no longer hungry (And he used to crave chocolate before I decided to let him have it whenever he wanted it). If it's a toss up between candy and an apple or carrot sticks and dip usually the carrots or apple wins. If kids have experience eating (and even binging - my son did eat a ton of party mix last night) they know what makes them feel good and what doesn't. It's not growing out of junk that's important, it's having control over it so that it doesn't control you. I'm betting you never had control over your own food as I kid. I'm also betting your daughter doesn't and hasn't really so you don't know if she'll just keep on going or not if she had a chance to get it out of her system.
>appointment to find out they have 6 cavities that need filling, or seeing
>them fill out and get fat before I stepped back in to regulate. Or what
>about total nutrition for their bodies/? I believe that some kids would
>"grow out of" eating junk, but others would just keep on going, as one
>poster noticed with her daughter and herself. I've also noticed this about
>myself, and therefore limit what I buy so that I don't eat it all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dawn (in NS)
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catherine aceto
My children self-regulate with food (and have since birth). They are now 6.5 and 1.5. Lydia, the 6.5 yo, has had one "cavity" filled, deep between her teeth -- I put it in quotes, though, because shortly thereafter we switched dentists and the new dentists said that it had probably not been a cavity after all, based on his review of the Lydia's x-rays, which he said had been overlapped improperly. The 1.5 yo hasn't been to the dentist yet.
Both kids are in the middle of the charts for height/weight.
The other weekend when we were camping for the weekend with our playgroup, Lydia roasted herself maybe 4 marshmellows the first night -- then roasted them for other people until she couldn't find anyone else who still wanted one. The second night, she made and ate one 'smore, then asked for some chicken and then an apple. Jonathan ate maybe 3 marshmellows each night (unroasted) and then sat on my lap watching the campfire and nursing.
We came home with a bag of marshmellows. Lydia said that she really liked it when they were soft after being roasted, so we tried putting one in the microwave. It puffed up in a very cool way. She ate about 5 puffed marshmellows that day and hasn't asked for one since. The bag (3/4 full) of marshmellows is still on the kitchen counter in plain site.
We keep the miniature sized reece's cups, kitkats, and several other candies on a shelf where Lydia can get them without my help (but locked away from the 1.5 yo who has to ask for them, since he sometimes puts them in his mouth without unwrapping them). If Lydia wants a kind of candy she writes it on the grocery list, just like we all do for whatever we want, and it gets purchased the next trip (grocery trips occur 1-2 times a week). I think that it is the knoweldge of access that helps. I don't have to have some of every candy on hand for Lydia not to feel that they are scarce because she knows that if she wants it we will buy it.
-Cat
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Both kids are in the middle of the charts for height/weight.
The other weekend when we were camping for the weekend with our playgroup, Lydia roasted herself maybe 4 marshmellows the first night -- then roasted them for other people until she couldn't find anyone else who still wanted one. The second night, she made and ate one 'smore, then asked for some chicken and then an apple. Jonathan ate maybe 3 marshmellows each night (unroasted) and then sat on my lap watching the campfire and nursing.
We came home with a bag of marshmellows. Lydia said that she really liked it when they were soft after being roasted, so we tried putting one in the microwave. It puffed up in a very cool way. She ate about 5 puffed marshmellows that day and hasn't asked for one since. The bag (3/4 full) of marshmellows is still on the kitchen counter in plain site.
We keep the miniature sized reece's cups, kitkats, and several other candies on a shelf where Lydia can get them without my help (but locked away from the 1.5 yo who has to ask for them, since he sometimes puts them in his mouth without unwrapping them). If Lydia wants a kind of candy she writes it on the grocery list, just like we all do for whatever we want, and it gets purchased the next trip (grocery trips occur 1-2 times a week). I think that it is the knoweldge of access that helps. I don't have to have some of every candy on hand for Lydia not to feel that they are scarce because she knows that if she wants it we will buy it.
-Cat
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In a message dated 8/20/04 6:53:39 AM, jenneferh2000@... writes:
<< As far as getting fat, well, I think some people are
genetically prone to getting 'fat' too. But, I think
that has more to do with lack of excercise than eating
sugary junk food too. I think kids need a lot more
'excercise' than adults because they have so much
energy (at least my 3 year old). So, making sure they
get physical play and go outside is really important.
Not that this will necessarily help them stay 'slim',
but that it's healthy for them all around. >>
Kirby is settling out in a fat phase, I'm afraid. He has a belly.
He does a lot of karate.
Marty who exercises less is, at the moment, buff-boy. This may pass, and
Kirby might get taller again too, I just don't know.
Holly's skinny but might not always be.
My husband was a fat baby. Fat in every photo at every age. Not like
Kirby, but really all-over fat. His mom blames me for having whole milk and
butter. Life is simple for her. His mom used to limit to small portions, but
the kids all (three boys) just found other food sources and let her have her
fantasy.
My husband, Keith was shamed at home and teased at school about something he
didn't cause and couldn't prevent. He grew up with a lot of pain and food
issues.
I married him because he's smart and funny and creative and a good musician
and not because he was fat or not, and not in the hopes that he would lose a
lot of weight (he works hard at it sometimes, and then sometimes he doesn't, and
I just detach myself from participation/pressure/emotion about that, and just
be nice to him whatever phase of emotional calm or upheaval he's in about it).
I've gone from 140 pounds before I had kids to 200 myself, over the past
Kirby-life years. I had two grandmothers who went from skinny to soft and round
in their granny years, and so I'm not surprised. My mom and my sister stayed
skinny from substance abuse, alcohol, cigarettes and cocaine (on my sister's
part). I wasn't interested in THAT diet.
We didn't know and still don't know which of our kids might inherit what.
At this snapshot moment it seems Kirby is pudging and the others aren't.
What I have done is never try to help ANY of them define themselves or their
worth by their appearance. When Holly is in a totally cute phase, I remind
her (gently) that looks don't always last so don't bank on it or get mad when
you change, because change is natural. She sees people who stayed
photogenically cute for life, and some who never were cute, and some who've gone through
different phases.
What Kirby has that Keith didn't have is a lack of shame and teasing. He
didn't have to deal with schoolkids, and we haven't changed his life or ours out
of that one weight issue.
IF people are different, and IF averages are to be averages, there will be
people on both ends of the measure. It's natural.
School and society teaches us that being average is a worthy goal. And from
that pool of average, a few exceptions will get rich and famous (i.e. "be
successful") but first you must be average. <g>
It just doesn't apply to our way of thinking these days.
Kirby's spent the week in Los Alamos (90 miles away) with kids a year or two
older than he is, a batch of friends he's known for a few years. They're all
in college. They have parents with hotshot science jobs. They like Kirby a
LOT.
Kirby came home Wednesday to work a shift, before going back up there to
finish the week before they all go back off to their sophomore years of college.
He told me one of the dads said, "So how does it feel to be the most popular
guy in town?" and that the same dad said he had hoped to play some games with
Kirby (both are board game collectors), and Kirby should come back up there
when there aren't a bunch of girls around. (He's the dad of the girl who
invited Kirby to the prom, and we've known him a long time.)
Sometimes parents put a child's weight ahead of other issues, and the other
issues don't stand a chance.
Sandra
<< As far as getting fat, well, I think some people are
genetically prone to getting 'fat' too. But, I think
that has more to do with lack of excercise than eating
sugary junk food too. I think kids need a lot more
'excercise' than adults because they have so much
energy (at least my 3 year old). So, making sure they
get physical play and go outside is really important.
Not that this will necessarily help them stay 'slim',
but that it's healthy for them all around. >>
Kirby is settling out in a fat phase, I'm afraid. He has a belly.
He does a lot of karate.
Marty who exercises less is, at the moment, buff-boy. This may pass, and
Kirby might get taller again too, I just don't know.
Holly's skinny but might not always be.
My husband was a fat baby. Fat in every photo at every age. Not like
Kirby, but really all-over fat. His mom blames me for having whole milk and
butter. Life is simple for her. His mom used to limit to small portions, but
the kids all (three boys) just found other food sources and let her have her
fantasy.
My husband, Keith was shamed at home and teased at school about something he
didn't cause and couldn't prevent. He grew up with a lot of pain and food
issues.
I married him because he's smart and funny and creative and a good musician
and not because he was fat or not, and not in the hopes that he would lose a
lot of weight (he works hard at it sometimes, and then sometimes he doesn't, and
I just detach myself from participation/pressure/emotion about that, and just
be nice to him whatever phase of emotional calm or upheaval he's in about it).
I've gone from 140 pounds before I had kids to 200 myself, over the past
Kirby-life years. I had two grandmothers who went from skinny to soft and round
in their granny years, and so I'm not surprised. My mom and my sister stayed
skinny from substance abuse, alcohol, cigarettes and cocaine (on my sister's
part). I wasn't interested in THAT diet.
We didn't know and still don't know which of our kids might inherit what.
At this snapshot moment it seems Kirby is pudging and the others aren't.
What I have done is never try to help ANY of them define themselves or their
worth by their appearance. When Holly is in a totally cute phase, I remind
her (gently) that looks don't always last so don't bank on it or get mad when
you change, because change is natural. She sees people who stayed
photogenically cute for life, and some who never were cute, and some who've gone through
different phases.
What Kirby has that Keith didn't have is a lack of shame and teasing. He
didn't have to deal with schoolkids, and we haven't changed his life or ours out
of that one weight issue.
IF people are different, and IF averages are to be averages, there will be
people on both ends of the measure. It's natural.
School and society teaches us that being average is a worthy goal. And from
that pool of average, a few exceptions will get rich and famous (i.e. "be
successful") but first you must be average. <g>
It just doesn't apply to our way of thinking these days.
Kirby's spent the week in Los Alamos (90 miles away) with kids a year or two
older than he is, a batch of friends he's known for a few years. They're all
in college. They have parents with hotshot science jobs. They like Kirby a
LOT.
Kirby came home Wednesday to work a shift, before going back up there to
finish the week before they all go back off to their sophomore years of college.
He told me one of the dads said, "So how does it feel to be the most popular
guy in town?" and that the same dad said he had hoped to play some games with
Kirby (both are board game collectors), and Kirby should come back up there
when there aren't a bunch of girls around. (He's the dad of the girl who
invited Kirby to the prom, and we've known him a long time.)
Sometimes parents put a child's weight ahead of other issues, and the other
issues don't stand a chance.
Sandra
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In a message dated 8/20/04 7:16:00 AM, aceto3@... writes:
<< We came home with a bag of marshmellows. Lydia said that she really liked
it when they were soft after being roasted, so we tried putting one in the
microwave. It puffed up in a very cool way. She ate about 5 puffed
marshmellows that day and hasn't asked for one since. The bag (3/4 full) of marshmellows
is still on the kitchen counter in plain site. >>
For six years now we've lived in a house with a fireplace. Every fall we get
a bag of marshmallows and put them in a basket by the fireplace with forks.
Every spring I have thrown away part of a bag of dried up marshmallows. Most
are roasted when we have company and they think it would be fun. It IS fun!
What's also fun with a fireplace is burning the sculptures kids make with fat
toothpicks and miniature marshmallows. After they dry out and the kids
don't want to look at them anymore, we put them in a hot fireplace and watch them
transform.
Some people would say that if marshmallows are food, they should never be
"wasted." I think it's more wasteful to eat them just because you have them than
to burn them for fun. Maybe when a kid just likes to roast marshmallows but
nobody wants to eat them, let her throw the finished ones in the fire.
They're cheap. Better burned to ashes than spending the day in anyone's
intestines! (Same with lots of food. Better sat around and ended up in the compost
than passed through someone just so it wouldn't be "wasted.")
Sandra
<< We came home with a bag of marshmellows. Lydia said that she really liked
it when they were soft after being roasted, so we tried putting one in the
microwave. It puffed up in a very cool way. She ate about 5 puffed
marshmellows that day and hasn't asked for one since. The bag (3/4 full) of marshmellows
is still on the kitchen counter in plain site. >>
For six years now we've lived in a house with a fireplace. Every fall we get
a bag of marshmallows and put them in a basket by the fireplace with forks.
Every spring I have thrown away part of a bag of dried up marshmallows. Most
are roasted when we have company and they think it would be fun. It IS fun!
What's also fun with a fireplace is burning the sculptures kids make with fat
toothpicks and miniature marshmallows. After they dry out and the kids
don't want to look at them anymore, we put them in a hot fireplace and watch them
transform.
Some people would say that if marshmallows are food, they should never be
"wasted." I think it's more wasteful to eat them just because you have them than
to burn them for fun. Maybe when a kid just likes to roast marshmallows but
nobody wants to eat them, let her throw the finished ones in the fire.
They're cheap. Better burned to ashes than spending the day in anyone's
intestines! (Same with lots of food. Better sat around and ended up in the compost
than passed through someone just so it wouldn't be "wasted.")
Sandra
yukonaurora65
Just a couple of thoughts about teeth-in my house battery operated
toothbrushes are a big hit. You can buy a fairly good one for about
$8.00(CDN) or at the dollar store for a buck or two. The expensive
ones have cool designs. My three yr. old loves her Barbie one to
bits and has been brushing her teeth completely independently for
about a year now (sometimes many, many times a day).
Also, the dentist may determine that your child has "cavities" when
in fact they may just be compensating for the shape of your child's
teeth. Some people have deeply indented teeth. I have this shape of
teeth. Almost all of my teeth were filled when the permanent ones
came in. This wasn't done because I have cavities, but because when
we were kids dentists were sure that cavities would develop if
these "holes" weren't filled up. I think it was a big insurance
scam, personally. My present dentist says that nowadays, if they
begin to see cavities developing in some teeth then they may fill
some of the other deep recesses with a clear material.
Nadine
toothbrushes are a big hit. You can buy a fairly good one for about
$8.00(CDN) or at the dollar store for a buck or two. The expensive
ones have cool designs. My three yr. old loves her Barbie one to
bits and has been brushing her teeth completely independently for
about a year now (sometimes many, many times a day).
Also, the dentist may determine that your child has "cavities" when
in fact they may just be compensating for the shape of your child's
teeth. Some people have deeply indented teeth. I have this shape of
teeth. Almost all of my teeth were filled when the permanent ones
came in. This wasn't done because I have cavities, but because when
we were kids dentists were sure that cavities would develop if
these "holes" weren't filled up. I think it was a big insurance
scam, personally. My present dentist says that nowadays, if they
begin to see cavities developing in some teeth then they may fill
some of the other deep recesses with a clear material.
Nadine
Shannon Rizzo
Sandra wrote:>
working a night shift, brushing before he/she goes to bed in the morning
is the critical time but for most of us bedtime is nighttime. I was
responding to your statement "Why should tooth brushing have to be right
before bed? If they brush a couple of times a day, it's not going to
matter what time it was."
It does matter, for a couple of reasons.
1. If you brush just before a meal, and not after, the sugar and residue
stays on your teeth until you clean them somehow (by brushing, eating an
apple, chewing some anti-decay gum, etc.). Brushing after breakfast is
better than brushing before.
2. At night, most of us sleep with our mouths closed (except for the
occasional snore) and the bacteria grow rapidly on the food that is left
on the teeth. We aren't eating any apples or chewing gum or removing the
plaque. This advice came directly from our dental hygienist but I found a
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria."
http://kristensguide.tripod.com/Health/Getting_Healthy/Grooming_Habits/brush_teeth.htm
Shannon R.
> Nighttime is a long period of time for a child without an 8:00 bedtime.My point was that brushing just before bedtime is important. For someone
> My point is being bypassed. Your teeth don't know how to tell time.
working a night shift, brushing before he/she goes to bed in the morning
is the critical time but for most of us bedtime is nighttime. I was
responding to your statement "Why should tooth brushing have to be right
before bed? If they brush a couple of times a day, it's not going to
matter what time it was."
It does matter, for a couple of reasons.
1. If you brush just before a meal, and not after, the sugar and residue
stays on your teeth until you clean them somehow (by brushing, eating an
apple, chewing some anti-decay gum, etc.). Brushing after breakfast is
better than brushing before.
2. At night, most of us sleep with our mouths closed (except for the
occasional snore) and the bacteria grow rapidly on the food that is left
on the teeth. We aren't eating any apples or chewing gum or removing the
plaque. This advice came directly from our dental hygienist but I found a
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria."
http://kristensguide.tripod.com/Health/Getting_Healthy/Grooming_Habits/brush_teeth.htm
Shannon R.
jennefer harper
Sandra writes:
children! (Also by sharing utensils, cups and
toothbrushes.)
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>I've read (could be old info by now, or could stillYou also pass the bacteria on by kissing your
>not have hit the
>mainstream) that mothers pass the bacteria on to
>their children in
>infancy. So not
>only are there differences in saliva [my own doesn't
>dissolve things
>very well,
>and cough drops can last a long, long time (too
>long)], differences in
>the
>hardness of the enamel, and then there's that
>possibility of being
>infected by
>your mother from the many ways mothers get their
>salive in and on kids.
>(Sharing food, but worse chewing food for kids.)
children! (Also by sharing utensils, cups and
toothbrushes.)
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<jenneferh2000@y...> wrote:
Sometimes they have well documented articles and sometimes they take
leaps I don't agree with.
--aj
<jenneferh2000@y...> wrote:
> I'm not a dentist, but what I have read is that cariesHas anyone seem this from any source other than Mothering Mag?
> are linked to genes. You inherent the same bacteria
> that lives in your parents' mouth. (Mothering Magazine
> has some past articles online regarding this)
Sometimes they have well documented articles and sometimes they take
leaps I don't agree with.
--aj
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In a message dated 8/20/04 11:26:18 AM, shannon@... writes:
<< My point was that brushing just before bedtime is important. >>
Not if they brush their teen, and stay awake another few hours but weren't
eating.
Principles are more important than rules.
"Brush your teeth at bedtime" might sound just like "Don't go to sleep with
food on your teeth," but it's not the same.
-=-This advice came directly from our dental hygienist but I found a
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria." -=-
PLEASE, please try to avoid filling this list with mainstream advice and the
testimonials of dental hygienists. Or educational specialists. Or parenting
experts. People here already KNOW all that stuff.
Sandra
<< My point was that brushing just before bedtime is important. >>
Not if they brush their teen, and stay awake another few hours but weren't
eating.
Principles are more important than rules.
"Brush your teeth at bedtime" might sound just like "Don't go to sleep with
food on your teeth," but it's not the same.
-=-This advice came directly from our dental hygienist but I found a
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria." -=-
PLEASE, please try to avoid filling this list with mainstream advice and the
testimonials of dental hygienists. Or educational specialists. Or parenting
experts. People here already KNOW all that stuff.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/04 12:03:12 PM, mamaaj2000@... writes:
<< > I'm not a dentist, but what I have read is that caries
What I read was ten years ago and was not suggestion inheriting genes but
passing them from mother to infant/toddler. That was a study out of a Canadian
dental college in somewhere other than Toronto, is all I remember. I talked to
the kids' dentist about it and he said he had never heard of it. I wasn't
surprised; I think continuing research isn't required in some fields. :-/
Sandra
<< > I'm not a dentist, but what I have read is that caries
> are linked to genes. You inherent the same bacteriaHas anyone seem this from any source other than Mothering Mag? >>
> that lives in your parents' mouth. (Mothering Magazine
> has some past articles online regarding this)
What I read was ten years ago and was not suggestion inheriting genes but
passing them from mother to infant/toddler. That was a study out of a Canadian
dental college in somewhere other than Toronto, is all I remember. I talked to
the kids' dentist about it and he said he had never heard of it. I wasn't
surprised; I think continuing research isn't required in some fields. :-/
Sandra
Have a Nice Day!
-=-This advice came directly from our dental hygienist but I found a
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria." -=-
PLEASE, please try to avoid filling this list with mainstream advice and the
testimonials of dental hygienists. Or educational specialists. Or parenting
experts. People here already KNOW all that stuff.
Sandra
*************************
Actually, I didn't know that, but I'm not sure why it shouldn't be posted.
Seeing that "advice" and then reconciling that with "principles" makes it easier for me to unschool, and to make more principled decisions.
I think there is an advantage to having lots of different information in order to see how principled decisions are made.
Kristen
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria." -=-
PLEASE, please try to avoid filling this list with mainstream advice and the
testimonials of dental hygienists. Or educational specialists. Or parenting
experts. People here already KNOW all that stuff.
Sandra
*************************
Actually, I didn't know that, but I'm not sure why it shouldn't be posted.
Seeing that "advice" and then reconciling that with "principles" makes it easier for me to unschool, and to make more principled decisions.
I think there is an advantage to having lots of different information in order to see how principled decisions are made.
Kristen
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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Getting fat and cavities
In a message dated 8/20/04 11:26:18 AM, shannon@... writes:
<< My point was that brushing just before bedtime is important. >>
Not if they brush their teen, and stay awake another few hours but weren't
eating.
Principles are more important than rules.
"Brush your teeth at bedtime" might sound just like "Don't go to sleep with
food on your teeth," but it's not the same.
-=-This advice came directly from our dental hygienist but I found a
link to offer evidence: "Always brush your teeth before you go to bed
because we produce less saliva during our sleep and are more prone to
damage from bacteria." -=-
PLEASE, please try to avoid filling this list with mainstream advice and the
testimonials of dental hygienists. Or educational specialists. Or parenting
experts. People here already KNOW all that stuff.
Sandra
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On the way home from the airport where we lefMarty (alone! yes, I'm trying
Z to be suave and calm), Holly and I were talking about parenting, and that
some parents would have just said no, Marty couldn't go, maybe for no other
reason than the parents were uncomfortable. We got to talking about Keith
(dh/her dad) and his family, growing up, and various stuff. She said "I never knew
the stuff about being fat was so bad until we were at IHOP..."
**She and Kirby went with three teenaged girls to an Isotopes baseball game
and then out to eat. Kirby was driving, and two of the girls were new to
them.**
". . . and Gwen's depressed friend [some name] said, 'GOOD, my mom's not here
to tell me it will make me fat,' and she ordered TWO hamburgers."
Holly was really sad for her, and thought two hamburgers were too much food.
But Keith's pattern, and his brothers', were to eat as much food as fast as
they could when they were away from home, because their mom's portions were
little and coated in meanness.
I asked if the girl seemed at all fat, and Holly said no, not at all.
So the relationship with her mother is shot, the girl is depressed, GLAD and
bragging to eat more than she's really hungry for, and... none of my kids
have any of those symptoms.
Sandra
Z to be suave and calm), Holly and I were talking about parenting, and that
some parents would have just said no, Marty couldn't go, maybe for no other
reason than the parents were uncomfortable. We got to talking about Keith
(dh/her dad) and his family, growing up, and various stuff. She said "I never knew
the stuff about being fat was so bad until we were at IHOP..."
**She and Kirby went with three teenaged girls to an Isotopes baseball game
and then out to eat. Kirby was driving, and two of the girls were new to
them.**
". . . and Gwen's depressed friend [some name] said, 'GOOD, my mom's not here
to tell me it will make me fat,' and she ordered TWO hamburgers."
Holly was really sad for her, and thought two hamburgers were too much food.
But Keith's pattern, and his brothers', were to eat as much food as fast as
they could when they were away from home, because their mom's portions were
little and coated in meanness.
I asked if the girl seemed at all fat, and Holly said no, not at all.
So the relationship with her mother is shot, the girl is depressed, GLAD and
bragging to eat more than she's really hungry for, and... none of my kids
have any of those symptoms.
Sandra
SHYRLEY WILLIAMS
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/04 12:03:12 PM, mamaaj2000@... writes:
<< > I'm not a dentist, but what I have read is that caries
What I read was ten years ago and was not suggestion inheriting genes but
passing them from mother to infant/toddler. That was a study out of a Canadian
dental college in somewhere other than Toronto, is all I remember. I talked to
the kids' dentist about it and he said he had never heard of it. I wasn't
surprised; I think continuing research isn't required in some fields. :-/
Sandra
From a cynical point of view, continuing research might actually find a cure. Then what will all those dentists do? There's a limit to how straight one get get teeth and they got expensive lifestyles to fund.
The dentist we saw in Virginia claimed Heather had 9 cavities and offered pre-brace braces - cos, as he told her, she'll never get a job with crooked teeth. Once back home I took her to a non-paid-by-treatment dentist who said she had 1 cavity in a baby tooth and her teeth certainly couldn't have braces until they were all through and she may not need them anyway they looked fine to him.
As for genes, neither her father nor me has any fillings so she may be lucky.
Shyrley
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In a message dated 8/20/04 12:03:12 PM, mamaaj2000@... writes:
<< > I'm not a dentist, but what I have read is that caries
> are linked to genes. You inherent the same bacteriaHas anyone seem this from any source other than Mothering Mag? >>
> that lives in your parents' mouth. (Mothering Magazine
> has some past articles online regarding this)
What I read was ten years ago and was not suggestion inheriting genes but
passing them from mother to infant/toddler. That was a study out of a Canadian
dental college in somewhere other than Toronto, is all I remember. I talked to
the kids' dentist about it and he said he had never heard of it. I wasn't
surprised; I think continuing research isn't required in some fields. :-/
Sandra
From a cynical point of view, continuing research might actually find a cure. Then what will all those dentists do? There's a limit to how straight one get get teeth and they got expensive lifestyles to fund.
The dentist we saw in Virginia claimed Heather had 9 cavities and offered pre-brace braces - cos, as he told her, she'll never get a job with crooked teeth. Once back home I took her to a non-paid-by-treatment dentist who said she had 1 cavity in a baby tooth and her teeth certainly couldn't have braces until they were all through and she may not need them anyway they looked fine to him.
As for genes, neither her father nor me has any fillings so she may be lucky.
Shyrley
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At 12:07 PM 8/20/04, Sandra wrote:
eating. Eric recently decided to throw a marshmallow directly on the coals
to see what would happen. It was great - the marshmallow puffs up to an
enormous size. We had to do it again and again to see what different shapes
we would get. We kept them on the deck and made guests guess what they had
originally been.
Donna
>Maybe when a kid just likes to roast marshmallows butWe have a charcoal barbecue, so sometimes we roast marshmallows after
>nobody wants to eat them, let her throw the finished ones in the fire.
>They're cheap.
eating. Eric recently decided to throw a marshmallow directly on the coals
to see what would happen. It was great - the marshmallow puffs up to an
enormous size. We had to do it again and again to see what different shapes
we would get. We kept them on the deck and made guests guess what they had
originally been.
Donna
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In a message dated 8/20/2004 2:09:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Not if they brush their teen, and stay awake another few hours but weren't
eating.
<<<
I never let a day go by that I don't brush my teen. I usually stay awake
another few hours without eating too! <G>
~Kelly, duckin'
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SandraDodd@... writes:
Not if they brush their teen, and stay awake another few hours but weren't
eating.
<<<
I never let a day go by that I don't brush my teen. I usually stay awake
another few hours without eating too! <G>
~Kelly, duckin'
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No, we're not going back to school, but we did go shopping today at the big
mall nearby, along with many other families. We walked through the "school"
section of Zellers, I asked the kids if they wanted anything and they said
no. It is a good time to stock up on certain items which are really cheap
right now, though. I was glad I wasn't clutching three lists trying to find
every item to suit a teachers' whims.
We found sneakers for Eric who will only wear velcro strap ones. A while
back someone on this list recommended "The Out of Sync Child" which
describes Eric. We found some in his size, not always an easy task.
We also went to a Teachers/educational toy store. While the boys played
with the trains and looked at toys, I looked at the teaching supplies. What
a bunch of junk! Some of the workbook and idea book titles are interesting
but when I look inside I think, just buy a real book! I know some children
do like workbooks but mine can't see the point. And the posters - one was
about how to work in a group, e.g. "Praise each others' ideas" Ugh
While the boys ate in the food court I went to get a coffee at Tim's (I
could see them the whole time). The woman in front of me had a strong
accent and the young woman pouring the coffee said, "I have no idea what
you just said," as if she could care less. She then barked at me to get
back in line if I wanted to be served. I had moved to the side to make room
for people going past. I hope that my children will never be as angry as
she is, or, realistically, when they are angry I want them to know how to
deal with it appropriately, not take it out on others.
Donna in NS
mall nearby, along with many other families. We walked through the "school"
section of Zellers, I asked the kids if they wanted anything and they said
no. It is a good time to stock up on certain items which are really cheap
right now, though. I was glad I wasn't clutching three lists trying to find
every item to suit a teachers' whims.
We found sneakers for Eric who will only wear velcro strap ones. A while
back someone on this list recommended "The Out of Sync Child" which
describes Eric. We found some in his size, not always an easy task.
We also went to a Teachers/educational toy store. While the boys played
with the trains and looked at toys, I looked at the teaching supplies. What
a bunch of junk! Some of the workbook and idea book titles are interesting
but when I look inside I think, just buy a real book! I know some children
do like workbooks but mine can't see the point. And the posters - one was
about how to work in a group, e.g. "Praise each others' ideas" Ugh
While the boys ate in the food court I went to get a coffee at Tim's (I
could see them the whole time). The woman in front of me had a strong
accent and the young woman pouring the coffee said, "I have no idea what
you just said," as if she could care less. She then barked at me to get
back in line if I wanted to be served. I had moved to the side to make room
for people going past. I hope that my children will never be as angry as
she is, or, realistically, when they are angry I want them to know how to
deal with it appropriately, not take it out on others.
Donna in NS
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/2004 2:07:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
I never let a day go by that I don't brush my teen. I usually stay awake
another few hours without eating too! <G>
====
Huh.
I haven't brushed a teen for years.
I need to get some food and some sleep, apparently.
Sandra
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
I never let a day go by that I don't brush my teen. I usually stay awake
another few hours without eating too! <G>
====
Huh.
I haven't brushed a teen for years.
I need to get some food and some sleep, apparently.
Sandra
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In a message dated 20/08/2004 13:14:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
andrea@... writes:
to for activities and such , and it contained the Ten Reasons to HOmeschool
by Mary Pride. Oh boy, some things were ok, but things like preserving chastity
and not teaching the facts of life at too young an age, and learning to train
your child with adhd yourself made me shiver . I heard about this stuff here
on the list, but this is my first real brush with it in my own group.
No wonder they look at me like I have 3 eyes. We have organized a Not Back to
School Picnic for the first full day of school classes. Last year it was fun,
hope it is again.
Nancy in BC, off to have a shower and wash off the "fundy" cooties.
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andrea@... writes:
> And the posters - one wasYuk!!!!!! I just received an e-mail from the local homeschool group we belong
> about how to work in a group, e.g. "Praise each others' ideas" Ugh
>
to for activities and such , and it contained the Ten Reasons to HOmeschool
by Mary Pride. Oh boy, some things were ok, but things like preserving chastity
and not teaching the facts of life at too young an age, and learning to train
your child with adhd yourself made me shiver . I heard about this stuff here
on the list, but this is my first real brush with it in my own group.
No wonder they look at me like I have 3 eyes. We have organized a Not Back to
School Picnic for the first full day of school classes. Last year it was fun,
hope it is again.
Nancy in BC, off to have a shower and wash off the "fundy" cooties.
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Dawn Adams
Donna writes:
No, we're not going back to school, but we did go shopping today at the big
mall nearby, along with many other families
Teacher's store? Must have been Mic Mac Mall?
Dawn (in NS too)
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No, we're not going back to school, but we did go shopping today at the big
mall nearby, along with many other families
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Zellers and Tim's - school shopping in Canada! :) I LOVE shopping when other parents are getting their school supplies. It feels so good and I feel sooo smug.
Teacher's store? Must have been Mic Mac Mall?
Dawn (in NS too)
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In a message dated 8/20/2004 2:54:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
LOWRIEK@... writes:
And the posters - one was
But there are people who come to places like this and unschooling.com who
want that. They want us to take turns "being right" or whatever.
I think praising good ideas is the best way to recognize good ideas,
encourage others to have good ideas and to encourage people to have MORE good ideas!
-=-off to have a shower and wash off the "fundy" cooties.-=-
Gosh. They believe in "washed in the blood." If it took blood to get them
on, I hope soap's enough to take them off.
Sandra
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LOWRIEK@... writes:
And the posters - one was
> about how to work in a group, e.g. "Praise each others' ideas" Ugh=========
But there are people who come to places like this and unschooling.com who
want that. They want us to take turns "being right" or whatever.
I think praising good ideas is the best way to recognize good ideas,
encourage others to have good ideas and to encourage people to have MORE good ideas!
-=-off to have a shower and wash off the "fundy" cooties.-=-
Gosh. They believe in "washed in the blood." If it took blood to get them
on, I hope soap's enough to take them off.
Sandra
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In a message dated 8/20/2004 4:49:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Wishbone@... writes:
feel the same :o) I have felt so elated going into a store for the cheap
"school" supplies like loads of crayons, markers and stuff for playing with at home.
I was tickled when my DS (6) responded to the lady at the store. She had
said, "Oh, look at all the new school supplies, are you excited about school
this year? He said, "sure cuz I stay home and don't have to go to one, this is
all of our "not back to school" stuff".
Walmart was actually handing out back to school pencils at the door, that
advertised that they were school supply central and he told the guy who handed
him one, "thanks, can I still have this pencil if I am an unschooler"? I don't
think the guy knew what it meant but we got to keep the pencil anyway :o) It
just feels so good, especially after a long year of Kindergarten last year.
Pamela
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Wishbone@... writes:
> I LOVE shopping when other parents are getting their school supplies. ItI never wanted to admit that feeling but since you went first, I can say I
> feels so good and I feel sooo smug.
feel the same :o) I have felt so elated going into a store for the cheap
"school" supplies like loads of crayons, markers and stuff for playing with at home.
I was tickled when my DS (6) responded to the lady at the store. She had
said, "Oh, look at all the new school supplies, are you excited about school
this year? He said, "sure cuz I stay home and don't have to go to one, this is
all of our "not back to school" stuff".
Walmart was actually handing out back to school pencils at the door, that
advertised that they were school supply central and he told the guy who handed
him one, "thanks, can I still have this pencil if I am an unschooler"? I don't
think the guy knew what it meant but we got to keep the pencil anyway :o) It
just feels so good, especially after a long year of Kindergarten last year.
Pamela
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Robyn Coburn
<<<Why should tooth brushing have to be right before bed? If they brush a
couple of times a day, it's not going to matter what time it was.>>>
I have posted in the past about how we have totally let go of trying to
control Jayn's (4.5) toothbrushing *in any way*, to the point of silence
about it.
A quick update: Over the past couple of weeks Jayn has spontaneously started
brushing her teeth several times a day - like 5 - using Disney Princess
toothpaste that she asked for, and a rotating selection of her numerous
brushes. I actually had to warn her that some of her gums were looking a bit
inflamed and to be gentle.
Now I'm just going to have to do the same thing and stop asking if I can I
brush her hair. The immense fuzzball knot in the back is starting to look
like a 50's beehive. Her hair appears to be growing shorter in the back.
Oh well.
Robyn L. Coburn
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couple of times a day, it's not going to matter what time it was.>>>
I have posted in the past about how we have totally let go of trying to
control Jayn's (4.5) toothbrushing *in any way*, to the point of silence
about it.
A quick update: Over the past couple of weeks Jayn has spontaneously started
brushing her teeth several times a day - like 5 - using Disney Princess
toothpaste that she asked for, and a rotating selection of her numerous
brushes. I actually had to warn her that some of her gums were looking a bit
inflamed and to be gentle.
Now I'm just going to have to do the same thing and stop asking if I can I
brush her hair. The immense fuzzball knot in the back is starting to look
like a 50's beehive. Her hair appears to be growing shorter in the back.
Oh well.
Robyn L. Coburn
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