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In a message dated 7/23/04 2:34:00 PM, jenneferh2000@... writes:

<< It's hard for me to take the above statement at face
value without more specifics. >>

I SO AGREE.

Drives me crazy when people on a list like this will bring frightening
statements without documentation or qualification, and "Someone said he had heard of
several cases..." isn't enough qualification for my tastes.

Last week two people left this list and blamed me, saying I was too imperious
or didn't like to be criticized but I could criticize. I don't see it as
criticism to ask an adult to back up her statements in a public discussion. Not
a bit.

So the other day it was the question of how one could logically believe that
sneakers on a phone wire would mark a crack house. But I have a more
classic question, which I will relate to death from chicken pox.

Coca Cola dissolves teeth.
Coca Cola dissolves nails.

True or false?

Twice there have been discussions (here or at unschooling.com or on AOL) in
the past few years and twice people asserted that they knew someone who had
dissolved a tooth in Coca Cola. Or a nail.

Well then! Log off and go and prove it to yourself and others!

But wait. It doesn't. If it did, why wouldn't it dissolve its own can?
Why wouldn't it dissolve a plastic bottle?
Still, parents, and homeschooling parents, have asserted that it does.

If something doesn't make sense, inquire. Test. Research.
It's not hard to stick a nail in a glass of coke.
I wish it were harder for people to keep saying it will dissolve a nail. My
mom heard that in the 1930's from some snake oil salesman with a wagon, in
some little cotton-field town in Texas. There should be SOME progress in
knowledge.

Don't take anyone's word for anything fishy or questionable.
Don't pass on e-mail that says Mr. Rogers was a sniper of a SEAL.
Don't pass on e-mail that says the police use Coca Cola to clean up blood
after highway accidents.

Or do, but don't get mad at people who say "Why do you think so?"

It frightens me some that people who are sure schools are awful and who want
to take full responsibility for their children's learning will be offended
that someone suggests they double check their "facts."

PLEASE, before posting something to 1500+ people, if it's not your personal
experience either qualify the statement, research it so you can quote someone
or just double check. Not just here, but anywhere. Not just in writing, but
in speeches.

Before determining to be an unschooling mom, determine to care about what's
sensible and what's not, what's worth passing on and what's just the noise of
people talking, or superstitious or traditional stuff without basis in
objective life.

I don't see that as imperious. I see it as reminding people that words have
power and exchanges of information work better when they're full of
information, not misinformation.

Sandra

Cally Brown

Well, we can replace:

>Coca Cola dissolves teeth.
>Coca Cola dissolves nails.
>
with.....

Coca Cola can put out an engine fire in a VW Kombi.

My son and his two mates were driving along in our Kombi, when the
engine caught on fire. While Greg turned of the engine and disconnected
the CNG bottle, the other two shook up their coke bottles and sprayed
the engine - it worked very well.

It's definitely more worth while passing on than the tooth and nail
stuff :-)

Cally

kayb85

> Coca Cola dissolves teeth.
> Coca Cola dissolves nails.
>
> True or false?
>
> Twice there have been discussions (here or at unschooling.com or on
AOL) in
> the past few years and twice people asserted that they knew someone
who had
> dissolved a tooth in Coca Cola. Or a nail.

Oooh! We did that. When one of Alisha's baby teeth fell out, we put
it in a glass with coke in it, set it on a shelf, and forgot about
it. The coke evaporated and left a black sticky coating on the
bottom of the glass. We let it sit in that coating for at least a
month before we got it out of the glass. The tooth was completely
black, like coal. We scrubbed the tooth and it was still black.
Some of the chewing surface of the tooth seemed to have crumbled off
a little bit and the tooth looked slightly smaller. But the tooth
was still kind of hard...you would've probably needed a hammer to
break it in half.

Sheila

Robyn Coburn

<<<Don't pass on e-mail that says the police use Coca Cola to clean up blood

after highway accidents.>>>

I can tell you a real use for coca-cola, that I have both seen and done in
my professional life.

In theaters with wooden or painted floors on the stage, diluted coca-cola is
often mopped onto the floor to make the floor slightly sticky for the
dancers. I first saw this done prior to every performance for the Sydney
season of "La Cage Aux Folles", for which I was Head Dresser - we had to
keep off the stage until it dried. That is a huge dancing show, including a
vigorous acrobatic Can-Can. Subsequently the Australia Opera mechanists also
did it when they came to put "Fiddler on the Roof" on at Her Majesty's. I
have not seen it done for metal or other special finish floors, but I don't
know that it can't be done.

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In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:35:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
dezigna@... writes:
I can tell you a real use for coca-cola, that I have both seen and done in
my professional life.

In theaters with wooden or painted floors on the stage, diluted coca-cola is
often mopped onto the floor to make the floor slightly sticky for the
dancers.
=============

"Sugar on the floor" was sometimes used in the past on wooden floors for
traditional dancing in the SE U.S. I'm assuming with the humidity, it doesn't
stay granulated for long. I'm in the desert, though, where salt and sugar don't
clump, so I'm speculating.

Sandra


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Apollo Edwards

State Patrolers use Coca-Cola to clean blood of the highways after a motor vehicle accident! Makes you think, doesn't it!

SandraDodd@... wrote:In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:35:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
dezigna@... writes:
I can tell you a real use for coca-cola, that I have both seen and done in
my professional life.

In theaters with wooden or painted floors on the stage, diluted coca-cola is
often mopped onto the floor to make the floor slightly sticky for the
dancers.
=============

"Sugar on the floor" was sometimes used in the past on wooden floors for
traditional dancing in the SE U.S. I'm assuming with the humidity, it doesn't
stay granulated for long. I'm in the desert, though, where salt and sugar don't
clump, so I'm speculating.

Sandra


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In a message dated 7/24/04 11:51:41 AM, apolloedwards@... writes:

<< State Patrolers use Coca-Cola to clean blood of the highways after a motor
vehicle accident! Makes you think, doesn't it! >>

Well...
It makes me think you haven't read the thread to which you responded, and
maybe didn't read the e-mail that recommended reading the list a while before
posting.

State patrollers do not use Coca Cola to clean blood of fthe highways. Why
do you think they do?

The whole topic was about NOT believing things you read in e-mail without
doublechecking them, and not passing on bad information (or even good
information) without checking and citing your sources, or qualifying your statements.

You have no personal way to know what all state troopers use to clean up
after all accidents. If you will pass that on to this list of 1600 readers (some
probably aren't bothering to read), will you pass things on to your kids you
haven't really thought about or tried to confirm?

The Urban Legends Reference Pages (snopes.com) says this:

"The next time you're stopped by a highway patrolman, try asking him if he's
ever scrubbed blood stains off a highway with Coca-Cola (or anything else). If
you're lucky, by the time he stops laughing he'll have forgotten about the
citation he was going to give you. "

Sandra

Elizabeth Roberts

It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well too.

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--- In [email protected], Apollo Edwards
<apolloedwards@y...> wrote:
> State Patrolers use Coca-Cola to clean blood of the highways after
a motor vehicle accident! Makes you think, doesn't it!


Well, it makes me think that if something sounds too incredulous to
be true, i should go right to http://www.snopes.com and check it out.
From their site:


"Coca-Cola does contain small amounts of citric acid and phosphoric
acid; however, all the insinuations about the dangers these acids
might pose to people who drink Coca-Cola ignore a simple concept
familiar to any first-year chemistry student: concentration. Coca-
Cola contains less citric acid than orange juice does, and the
concentration of phosphoric acid in Coke is far too small (a mere 11
to 13 grams per gallon of syrup, or about 0.20 to 0.30 per cent of
the total formula) to dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail overnight.
(Much of the item will dissolve eventually, but after a day or two
you'll still have most of the tooth, a whole nail, and one very soggy
t-bone.)

Besides, the gastric acid in your stomach is much stronger than any
of the acids in Coca-Cola, so the Coca-Cola is harmless.

The next time you're stopped by a highway patrolman, try asking him
if he's ever scrubbed blood stains off a highway with Coca-Cola (or
anything else). If you're lucky, by the time he stops laughing he'll
have forgotten about the citation he was going to give you. "

Apologies if someone has already posted this quote.

I think someone (sandra?)stated that one (big) part of unschooling is
to help our kids learn/develop critical thinking skills. There is so
much wrong with the statement about police, coke, and blood, not the
least of which is that i doubt it is actually the police who clean up
*anything* on the highway....wouldnt a sanitation crew do that? And
if coke works, what about pepsi? sprite? rootbeer? And wouldnt coke
make the street very sticky? And how much blood is on the highway
anyway?!

Katherine

eriksmama2001

An old southern cook who happened to also be a sheriff told me to put
half a can of coca cola in the pan with a roast to tenderize it while
it is cooking. I wondered if diet-coke worked, he said he didn't
know, he had never tried it. So, I have only used the Real Thing and
it does make a very tender roast. No kidding.

Pat





--- In [email protected], "queenjane555"
<queenjane555@y...> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Apollo Edwards
> <apolloedwards@y...> wrote:
> > State Patrolers use Coca-Cola to clean blood of the highways
after
> a motor vehicle accident! Makes you think, doesn't it!
>
>
> Well, it makes me think that if something sounds too incredulous to
> be true, i should go right to http://www.snopes.com and check it
out.
> From their site:
>
>
> "Coca-Cola does contain small amounts of citric acid and phosphoric
> acid; however, all the insinuations about the dangers these acids
> might pose to people who drink Coca-Cola ignore a simple concept
> familiar to any first-year chemistry student: concentration. Coca-
> Cola contains less citric acid than orange juice does, and the
> concentration of phosphoric acid in Coke is far too small (a mere
11
> to 13 grams per gallon of syrup, or about 0.20 to 0.30 per cent of
> the total formula) to dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail
overnight.
> (Much of the item will dissolve eventually, but after a day or two
> you'll still have most of the tooth, a whole nail, and one very
soggy
> t-bone.)
>
> Besides, the gastric acid in your stomach is much stronger than any
> of the acids in Coca-Cola, so the Coca-Cola is harmless.
>
> The next time you're stopped by a highway patrolman, try asking him
> if he's ever scrubbed blood stains off a highway with Coca-Cola (or
> anything else). If you're lucky, by the time he stops laughing
he'll
> have forgotten about the citation he was going to give you. "
>
> Apologies if someone has already posted this quote.
>
> I think someone (sandra?)stated that one (big) part of unschooling
is
> to help our kids learn/develop critical thinking skills. There is
so
> much wrong with the statement about police, coke, and blood, not
the
> least of which is that i doubt it is actually the police who clean
up
> *anything* on the highway....wouldnt a sanitation crew do that? And
> if coke works, what about pepsi? sprite? rootbeer? And wouldnt coke
> make the street very sticky? And how much blood is on the highway
> anyway?!
>
> Katherine

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In a message dated 7/24/04 6:08:14 PM, scubamama@... writes:

<< An old southern cook who happened to also be a sheriff told me to put

half a can of coca cola in the pan with a roast to tenderize it while

it is cooking. I wondered if diet-coke worked, he said he didn't

know, he had never tried it. So, I have only used the Real Thing and

it does make a very tender roast. No kidding. >>

My husband does marinade with onions and coke sometimes. Pork chops, in a
gallon jar. There are beer marinades more common, maybe than coke. I remember
when I was little, in the ancient days, advertisements on TV about hot Dr
Pepper (heated up as a hot drink) and cooking with it (ham glaze, separate ads) .

Sandra

Sylvia Toyama

I remember when I was little, in the ancient days, advertisements on TV about hot Dr Pepper (heated up as a hot drink)

****

that sounds just vile -- I don't even like my soda at room temperature.

Syl

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In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:09:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
queenjane555@... writes:

"Coca-Cola does contain small amounts of citric acid and phosphoric
acid; however, all the insinuations about the dangers these acids
might pose to people who drink Coca-Cola ignore a simple concept
familiar to any first-year chemistry student: concentration. Coca-
Cola contains less citric acid than orange juice does, and the
concentration of phosphoric acid in Coke is far too small (a mere 11
to 13 grams per gallon of syrup, or about 0.20 to 0.30 per cent of
the total formula) to dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail overnight.
(Much of the item will dissolve eventually, but after a day or two
you'll still have most of the tooth, a whole nail, and one very soggy
t-bone.)



<<<

Yeah, but if you put an egg or a bone in vinegar, it will turn VERY rubbery!
In high school, I put my dissected and picked-clean frog in a container of
vinegar, and it became stretchy and bouncy. Really cool! The egg actually
bounced!

~Kelly


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In a message dated 7/24/2004 9:10:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> An old southern cook who happened to also be a sheriff told me to put
>
> half a can of coca cola in the pan with a roast to tenderize it while
>
> it is cooking.

I make a type of BBQ sauce with Coke or Diet Coke and catsup. It's yummy and
I use it over chicken breasts and pork chops.
Amy Kagey
Usborne Books
www.ubah.com/z0939




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averyschmidt

> It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well too.

Have you actually done this? What made you use coca cola?
I'm thinking that if I ever had a hankering to take the pennies out
of my purse and clean them coca cola would be one of the last things
I'd think of. If it was an attempt on my part to show my kids how
bad it is (as in "look what coke does to this penny! imagine what
it will do to your insides!") for the sake of accuracy I'd try some
other liquids as well- mabye vinegar, orange juice or plain old hot
water. Actually when I first got engaged years ago someone told me
to soak my ring in lemon juice to clean it- mabye lemon juice would
clean a penny.

I think I'll pass this experiment on to my kids and see what they
come up with and what conclusions they draw. My 11yo's conclusions
always surprise me. He'd probably say something like "well if coke
cleans the gunk off pennies it probably also cleans the gunk off
colons."

:-)

Patti

Dana Matt

The best thing I've found, a la Marth Stewart, to
clean copper was ketchup ;) And we eat A LOT of that
here ;) Luckily our insides are not made of copper
tarnish ;)

Dana
in Montana

(as in "look what coke does to this penny!
> imagine what
> it will do to your insides!")




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On Jul 25, 2004, at 9:38 AM, averyschmidt wrote:

>> {It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well too. }
>
> [Have you actually done this? What made you use coca cola?]

My friends and I would clean pennies with packets of Taco Bell sauce
during class because we were bored silly. It really does clean them
well!!!! LOL
-Tracy-

Elizabeth Roberts

Yes, actually I have done it. More than once just for
fun, since I like the look of shiny pennies. Sarah had
overheard me telling my husband that the dentist was
giving me a hard time saying that my drinking soda all
the time showed up in the patterns of decay on my
teeth, similiar to "baby bottle mouth" that little
ones can get. She wanted to know how it worked. I
couldn't explain it, but I said I could show her
something similar.

Why Coke? Because I'd heard that it worked. I wanted
to see if it actually did. I'm not going to go shine
my trumpet with the stuff, but for shiny pennies, it's
nice. My mouth is more of a combination of factors
including weak enamel to begin with, but the soda
doesn't help.

Trying to use it as a nutrition topic didn't work.
Sarah was more interested in the fact that it made
pennies shine than what it could theoretically be
doing to her body (and obviously I'm not THAT
concerned either or I wouldn't still be drinking it).
I've heard stomach acid is really so very much
stronger than anything they could possibly put in a
drink that it doesn't matter if it cleans pennies. If
it was really that bad for us, we couldn't get it down
our esophagus without serious damange for it to damage
our insides! My theory anyway. I could be wrong.



Elizabeth




--- averyschmidt <patti.schmidt2@...> wrote:
> > It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well too.
>
>
> Have you actually done this? What made you use coca
> cola?
> I'm thinking that if I ever had a hankering to take
> the pennies out
> of my purse and clean them coca cola would be one of
> the last things
> I'd think of. If it was an attempt on my part to
> show my kids how
> bad it is (as in "look what coke does to this penny!
> imagine what
> it will do to your insides!") for the sake of
> accuracy I'd try some
> other liquids as well- mabye vinegar, orange juice
> or plain old hot
> water. Actually when I first got engaged years ago
> someone told me
> to soak my ring in lemon juice to clean it- mabye
> lemon juice would
> clean a penny.
>
> I think I'll pass this experiment on to my kids and
> see what they
> come up with and what conclusions they draw. My
> 11yo's conclusions
> always surprise me. He'd probably say something
> like "well if coke
> cleans the gunk off pennies it probably also cleans
> the gunk off
> colons."
>
> :-)
>
> Patti
>
>
>




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In a message dated 7/25/04 7:51:57 AM, patti.schmidt2@... writes:

<< > It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well too.


<<Have you actually done this? What made you use coca cola? >>

Copper...
When they cleaned the Statue of Liberty did they consider having Coca Cola
sponsor them and furnish a copper cleaner? <g>

There are several metal polishes easily available. They don't seem anything
like carbonated sugar water. We polish a lot of metal, in and around the SCA.
The current polish-preference of most people I know is Nevr-Dull. I still
like Brass-O and a rag, but it does need a sink at home and Nevr-Dull is
portable and can be used in the car or at a camping event.

What do coin collectors use to clean coins?
What do banks (the treasury? who?) use to clean coins, if anything?

Sandra

Lanie Carlson-Lim

I know from experience that toothpaste is great for polishing silver...not sure how it would work on copper, I've never tried that...just in case you want to include it in your experiment.

lanie
----- Original Message -----
From: averyschmidt
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: being imperious, and death, and coca cola


> It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well too.

Have you actually done this? What made you use coca cola?
I'm thinking that if I ever had a hankering to take the pennies out
of my purse and clean them coca cola would be one of the last things
I'd think of. If it was an attempt on my part to show my kids how
bad it is (as in "look what coke does to this penny! imagine what
it will do to your insides!") for the sake of accuracy I'd try some
other liquids as well- mabye vinegar, orange juice or plain old hot
water. Actually when I first got engaged years ago someone told me
to soak my ring in lemon juice to clean it- mabye lemon juice would
clean a penny.

I think I'll pass this experiment on to my kids and see what they
come up with and what conclusions they draw. My 11yo's conclusions
always surprise me. He'd probably say something like "well if coke
cleans the gunk off pennies it probably also cleans the gunk off
colons."

:-)

Patti




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Elizabeth Roberts

Coca-Cola may not be coin collector's cleaner of
choice, and I doubt the military would give out
12packs of Coke at bootcamp rather than a jar of
NevrDull; but it still works.

Elizabeth

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/25/04 7:51:57 AM,
> patti.schmidt2@... writes:
>
> << > It cleans the gunk off of pennies pretty well
> too.
>
>
> <<Have you actually done this? What made you use
> coca cola? >>
>
> Copper...
> When they cleaned the Statue of Liberty did they
> consider having Coca Cola
> sponsor them and furnish a copper cleaner? <g>
>
> There are several metal polishes easily available.
> They don't seem anything
> like carbonated sugar water. We polish a lot of
> metal, in and around the SCA.
> The current polish-preference of most people I know
> is Nevr-Dull. I still
> like Brass-O and a rag, but it does need a sink at
> home and Nevr-Dull is
> portable and can be used in the car or at a camping
> event.
>
> What do coin collectors use to clean coins?
> What do banks (the treasury? who?) use to clean
> coins, if anything?
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
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In a message dated 7/25/04 10:26:35 AM, pyxiewytch@... writes:

<< I know from experience that toothpaste is great for polishing silver... >>

Any toothpaste? What kind?

Those are NOT questions I want answers to.
Those are questions I think should've been answered before the statement was
made.

The purpose of this subject line was not to exchange suggestions about coca
cola or other alternative metal cleaners. It was an objection to
non-scientific thought. It was an expression of my frustration that people will make public
recommendations about things without really looking at what they're saying.

Unschooling should provide an atmosphere of inquiry and clear thinking, and
if the parents can't even do that among other adults, how can they pass it on
to their children? That was the intended topic.

Sandra

pam sorooshian

On Jul 25, 2004, at 6:38 AM, averyschmidt wrote:

> I think I'll pass this experiment on to my kids and see what they
> come up with and what conclusions they draw. My 11yo's conclusions
> always surprise me. He'd probably say something like "well if coke
> cleans the gunk off pennies it probably also cleans the gunk off
> colons."

I think the acids that naturally occur in our body are probably a lot
stronger than coca-cola. Okay - going to try to look that up ---
...............---

okay here is a good one
<http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct98/909181221.Ch.r.html> in
which a chemical engineer talks about the acids naturally occurring in
the body versus carbonic acid in coke. Here is part of it:


Coca-Cola®, like any other soft drink, is acidic. This is because a
small amount of the carbon dioxide dissolved in soft drinks (to make
them effervescent) will react in solution to form carbonic acid.
Carbonic acid may clean the rust from a nail, but it would not dissolve
a nail in 24 hours. Try it—a can of Coke® and a nail costs less than a
dollar. Many common foods are acidic. That does not mean that they are
dangerous. Specialized cells in the human stomach wall secrete
hydrochloric acid. Hydrochloric acid is much stronger than carbonic
acid, and will dissolve an iron nail easily. The contents of your
stomach are usually at a pH of 2. Please don’t try the nail in the
stomach contents experiment. There is no safe way to get a nail in your
stomach, and there is no safe (or polite) way to remove the contents of
your stomach to apply it a nail. You will just have to trust me on that
one.


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In a message dated 7/25/04 10:58:10 AM, pamsoroosh@... writes:

<< There is no safe way to get a nail in your

stomach, and there is no safe (or polite) way to remove the contents of

your stomach to apply it a nail. >>

So spitting on a penny might clean it, and next time someone here pukes I
might want to throw some pennies into it and leave it overnight?

Thinking about that....

I think I'd rather just have a few dirty pennies pass through. <g>
(THE HOUSE!! THE HOUSE! not me.)

Sandra

Sylvia Toyama

My Mom and I've always used toothpaste to polish our silver jewelry. Cleans just as well and smells better than most silver polishes I've tried. And I can always find it when my earrings are tarnished.

Syl


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There are several metal polishes easily available. They don't seem anything like carbonated sugar water.

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LOL yeah but a penny in the diaper...never mind!

Elizabeth

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/25/04 10:58:10 AM,
> pamsoroosh@... writes:
>
> << There is no safe way to get a nail in your
>
> stomach, and there is no safe (or polite) way to
> remove the contents of
>
> your stomach to apply it a nail. >>
>
> So spitting on a penny might clean it, and next time
> someone here pukes I
> might want to throw some pennies into it and leave
> it overnight?
>
> Thinking about that....
>
> I think I'd rather just have a few dirty pennies
> pass through. <g>
> (THE HOUSE!! THE HOUSE! not me.)
>
> Sandra
>




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Angela

Maybe stomach acid would be good to shine metal with. Hey, and it's
portable too. And you don't need a container to bring it to SCA in, you
could just throw up on the item to be shined.

Angela ~ showing her warped sense of humor today.
game-enthusiast@...

I've heard stomach acid is really so very much
stronger than anything they could possibly put in a
drink that it doesn't matter if it cleans pennies.


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Angela

Guess I should have read the whole thread first, I see you beat me to it.

Angela
game-enthusiast@...


Sandra wrote:
So spitting on a penny might clean it, and next time someone here pukes I
might want to throw some pennies into it and leave it overnight?


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In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:09:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
queenjane555@... writes:
>>And how much blood is on the highway
anyway?!

Katherine<<
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Do the officers even bother to clean this up? I know someone usually sweeps
up the glass and metal and such (usually the tow truck drivers) but I think
they leave the blood there. What harm could it do? In fact I can remember
seeing blood stains where a bad wreck had occurred, when I was a kid.

Nancy B.


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<<I've heard stomach acid is really so very much
stronger . . .

<<And you don't need a container to bring it to SCA in, you
could just throw up on the item to be shined.


So sword swallowers could just smear it over the rest of the blade really
quickly, and...