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In a message dated 2/10/2004 6:11:15 PM Central Standard Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
heard of hsing and the idea did not occur to me naturally like it did to some
people.(This was several years ago, 10 at least) I think first people have to
think about there being another option. Hsing is much more prevalent today so I
cannot imagine that there are still people who are unaware that it is
available. The only thing I can think of in that case is that they are scared, they
think it's going to get better or they just aren't mad enough yet. Of course I
am not talking about the people who still think it's just fine.
Laura
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rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
> WHY parents allow somethingFor the longest time I simply did not know any other way existed, I had not
> like a school system to control them and ultimately control their child?
>
heard of hsing and the idea did not occur to me naturally like it did to some
people.(This was several years ago, 10 at least) I think first people have to
think about there being another option. Hsing is much more prevalent today so I
cannot imagine that there are still people who are unaware that it is
available. The only thing I can think of in that case is that they are scared, they
think it's going to get better or they just aren't mad enough yet. Of course I
am not talking about the people who still think it's just fine.
Laura
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In a message dated 2/11/2004 1:01:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
BonKnit@... writes:
Hsing is much more prevalent today so I
cannot imagine that there are still people who are unaware that it is
available. The only thing I can think of in that case is that they are
scared, they
think it's going to get better or they just aren't mad enough yet.<<<<<<<
Or they think you must be a right-winged fundamentalist to homeschool.
They're more "middle-of-the-road" and just can't commit to the religious aspects
that *must* accompany homeschooling. It took a good bit of research on my part to
understand differently. I'd contacted every curriculum dealer in the country
that I could find, received a stack of curriculum catalogues three-four feet
high, and couldn't believe the creationist bent on everything. Or more weirdly,
the strict gender roles I found.
It was reading John Holt that I found unschooling---and Mary Griffith had
this great resource section in the back of her book. Up 'til then I was in the
dark. (And I didn't even learn to use the internet until I wanted to know more
about unschooling! <g> Old dog//new tricks/learningallthetime, right?)
So if your only vision of homeschooling is WORSE than school, school's a
better option!
~Kelly
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BonKnit@... writes:
Hsing is much more prevalent today so I
cannot imagine that there are still people who are unaware that it is
available. The only thing I can think of in that case is that they are
scared, they
think it's going to get better or they just aren't mad enough yet.<<<<<<<
Or they think you must be a right-winged fundamentalist to homeschool.
They're more "middle-of-the-road" and just can't commit to the religious aspects
that *must* accompany homeschooling. It took a good bit of research on my part to
understand differently. I'd contacted every curriculum dealer in the country
that I could find, received a stack of curriculum catalogues three-four feet
high, and couldn't believe the creationist bent on everything. Or more weirdly,
the strict gender roles I found.
It was reading John Holt that I found unschooling---and Mary Griffith had
this great resource section in the back of her book. Up 'til then I was in the
dark. (And I didn't even learn to use the internet until I wanted to know more
about unschooling! <g> Old dog//new tricks/learningallthetime, right?)
So if your only vision of homeschooling is WORSE than school, school's a
better option!
~Kelly
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Marjorie Kirk
Kelly wrote:
Or they think you must be a right-winged fundamentalist to homeschool.
They're more "middle-of-the-road" and just can't commit to the religious
aspects that *must* accompany homeschooling. It took a good bit of research
on my part to understand differently. I'd contacted every curriculum dealer
in the country that I could find, received a stack of curriculum catalogues
three-four feet high, and couldn't believe the creationist bent on
everything. Or more weirdly, the strict gender roles I found.
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It always amazes me how different peoples' perceptions can be from each
other's when they have access to basically the same information. When I
started looking at homeschooling, I found a local support group that offered
a packet of information for new homeschoolers. It had a book list of
recommended reading, listed some websites and magazines to check out, etc.
They had a monthly newsletter and activities for families. I read all about
homeschooling, or so I thought. I knew that Christians sometimes
homeschooled, just like Pagans sometimes homeschooled and Jews sometimes
homeschooled. I didn't even realize until 3 years later when we moved to
another city that there was such a thing as "The Christian Homeschooling
movement" and that it was a big one! Up until that point I had assumed that
everyone homeschooled because they loved being with their kids or didn't
believe in institutional learning for one reason or another!
It reminds me of the old story where three blind men are trying to describe
an elephant, but they are only "seeing" the one small part of it that they
can feel!
Marjorie
Or they think you must be a right-winged fundamentalist to homeschool.
They're more "middle-of-the-road" and just can't commit to the religious
aspects that *must* accompany homeschooling. It took a good bit of research
on my part to understand differently. I'd contacted every curriculum dealer
in the country that I could find, received a stack of curriculum catalogues
three-four feet high, and couldn't believe the creationist bent on
everything. Or more weirdly, the strict gender roles I found.
*****************************************************
It always amazes me how different peoples' perceptions can be from each
other's when they have access to basically the same information. When I
started looking at homeschooling, I found a local support group that offered
a packet of information for new homeschoolers. It had a book list of
recommended reading, listed some websites and magazines to check out, etc.
They had a monthly newsletter and activities for families. I read all about
homeschooling, or so I thought. I knew that Christians sometimes
homeschooled, just like Pagans sometimes homeschooled and Jews sometimes
homeschooled. I didn't even realize until 3 years later when we moved to
another city that there was such a thing as "The Christian Homeschooling
movement" and that it was a big one! Up until that point I had assumed that
everyone homeschooled because they loved being with their kids or didn't
believe in institutional learning for one reason or another!
It reminds me of the old story where three blind men are trying to describe
an elephant, but they are only "seeing" the one small part of it that they
can feel!
Marjorie
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In a message dated 2/10/2004 7:27:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
Glena,
You only took your teenage daughter out of school a year or two ago,
right? And all your other kids went all the way through school.
Shouldn't you be able to answer your own question better than most of
the rest of us?
I never "took" my daughter out of school. She just decided she didn't want
to go anymore. She hadn't been to school for 180 days combined in three years
and she just decided she didn't want to attend anymore. My other children
were free to make that choice as well.
One of my son's decided sometime in the fall of his twelfth year not to go
anymore and so he didn't. My other two children went to high school some, were
not enrolled for periods of time at all, went for another semester or two but
they both have diplomas from public school.
I've said before we never invested ourselves in anyway in the public school
system. It was always an option. The only other "option" that I knew (other
than what we were doing) was a curriculum based homeschooling atmosphere and I
certainly didn't want that for my children.
If your children WANT to go to public school or private school or college, by
choice, it still doesn't mean you turn control over to the school.
Some people do it blindly and completely. The question wasn't why do
children go to public school, it's why do parents hand over complete control and
decision making power regarding their children to a government entity?
glena
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
Glena,
You only took your teenage daughter out of school a year or two ago,
right? And all your other kids went all the way through school.
Shouldn't you be able to answer your own question better than most of
the rest of us?
I never "took" my daughter out of school. She just decided she didn't want
to go anymore. She hadn't been to school for 180 days combined in three years
and she just decided she didn't want to attend anymore. My other children
were free to make that choice as well.
One of my son's decided sometime in the fall of his twelfth year not to go
anymore and so he didn't. My other two children went to high school some, were
not enrolled for periods of time at all, went for another semester or two but
they both have diplomas from public school.
I've said before we never invested ourselves in anyway in the public school
system. It was always an option. The only other "option" that I knew (other
than what we were doing) was a curriculum based homeschooling atmosphere and I
certainly didn't want that for my children.
If your children WANT to go to public school or private school or college, by
choice, it still doesn't mean you turn control over to the school.
Some people do it blindly and completely. The question wasn't why do
children go to public school, it's why do parents hand over complete control and
decision making power regarding their children to a government entity?
glena
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In a message dated 2/11/2004 1:01:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
BonKnit@... writes:
<<Hsing is much more prevalent today so I
cannot imagine that there are still people who are unaware that it is
available.>>
Where I live (inner city housing project), everyone we have met thinks that
you have to be financially well-off and well educated (college degree) to home
school. When I meet new neighbors, they are shocked that I hs and live here.
I also get a lot of comments that Emily (15) will never amount to anything
because she's not going to highschool and preparing for college. Interestingly,
these are the same people who hire Emily to tutor their highschool age
children. <g>
--Jacqueline
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BonKnit@... writes:
<<Hsing is much more prevalent today so I
cannot imagine that there are still people who are unaware that it is
available.>>
Where I live (inner city housing project), everyone we have met thinks that
you have to be financially well-off and well educated (college degree) to home
school. When I meet new neighbors, they are shocked that I hs and live here.
I also get a lot of comments that Emily (15) will never amount to anything
because she's not going to highschool and preparing for college. Interestingly,
these are the same people who hire Emily to tutor their highschool age
children. <g>
--Jacqueline
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J. Stauffer
<<<<Up until that point I had assumed that
Julie S.----living in the land of Bob Jones, enforced courting and children
too scared of their parents to speak in public
> everyone homeschooled because they loved being with their kids or didn'tBBBwwwwaaaaahhhhaaaaahhhhhaaaaa!!!!
> believe in institutional learning for one reason or another!>>>>
Julie S.----living in the land of Bob Jones, enforced courting and children
too scared of their parents to speak in public
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In a message dated 2/11/2004 9:33:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mkirk@... writes:
It always amazes me how different peoples' perceptions can be from each
other's when they have access to basically the same information. When I
started looking at homeschooling, I found a local support group that offered
a packet of information for new homeschoolers. It had a book list of
recommended reading, listed some websites and magazines to check out, etc.
They had a monthly newsletter and activities for families. I read all about
homeschooling, or so I thought. I knew that Christians sometimes
homeschooled, just like Pagans sometimes homeschooled and Jews sometimes
homeschooled. I didn't even realize until 3 years later when we moved to
another city that there was such a thing as "The Christian Homeschooling
movement" and that it was a big one!<<<<<<
But I'm in South Carolina! <BWG>
~Kelly
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mkirk@... writes:
It always amazes me how different peoples' perceptions can be from each
other's when they have access to basically the same information. When I
started looking at homeschooling, I found a local support group that offered
a packet of information for new homeschoolers. It had a book list of
recommended reading, listed some websites and magazines to check out, etc.
They had a monthly newsletter and activities for families. I read all about
homeschooling, or so I thought. I knew that Christians sometimes
homeschooled, just like Pagans sometimes homeschooled and Jews sometimes
homeschooled. I didn't even realize until 3 years later when we moved to
another city that there was such a thing as "The Christian Homeschooling
movement" and that it was a big one!<<<<<<
But I'm in South Carolina! <BWG>
~Kelly
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In a message dated 2/11/04 5:30:01 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< I'd contacted every curriculum dealer in the country
that I could find, received a stack of curriculum catalogues three-four feet
high, and couldn't believe the creationist bent on everything. Or more
weirdly,
the strict gender roles I found. >>
I never looked at any, but I've peeked in a few at used bookstores.
Yesterday Holly and I were at a thrift store, and they had a box of
Alpha-Omega stuff marked $19.95.
We looked at some. It seemed a family had not wanted the religious stuff.
It had eight or ten workbooks on Christianity, and then one fatter workbook on
world cultures. It seemed also to be about religion from a Christian point of
view. No surprise.
What DID surprise me was that the illustrations were AWFUL. Truly cheap and
ugly line-drawn junk. And the maps were no better. There are GORGEOUS maps
in the world, but these were lines, with same-size lines for rivers. They
looked like the maps from kids' reports, reproduced in plain black on white.
And talk about trivial nothingness, it was the most over-simplified view of
the world I'd ever seen.
It was preparation for standardized tests and nothing more, it seemed to me.
I was sad. Some kids (lots of kids) suffer that lame dusty stuff every
"schoolday."
It was sadder than watching the news.
Sandra
<< I'd contacted every curriculum dealer in the country
that I could find, received a stack of curriculum catalogues three-four feet
high, and couldn't believe the creationist bent on everything. Or more
weirdly,
the strict gender roles I found. >>
I never looked at any, but I've peeked in a few at used bookstores.
Yesterday Holly and I were at a thrift store, and they had a box of
Alpha-Omega stuff marked $19.95.
We looked at some. It seemed a family had not wanted the religious stuff.
It had eight or ten workbooks on Christianity, and then one fatter workbook on
world cultures. It seemed also to be about religion from a Christian point of
view. No surprise.
What DID surprise me was that the illustrations were AWFUL. Truly cheap and
ugly line-drawn junk. And the maps were no better. There are GORGEOUS maps
in the world, but these were lines, with same-size lines for rivers. They
looked like the maps from kids' reports, reproduced in plain black on white.
And talk about trivial nothingness, it was the most over-simplified view of
the world I'd ever seen.
It was preparation for standardized tests and nothing more, it seemed to me.
I was sad. Some kids (lots of kids) suffer that lame dusty stuff every
"schoolday."
It was sadder than watching the news.
Sandra
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In a message dated 2/11/04 8:53:07 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< The question wasn't why do
children go to public school, it's why do parents hand over complete control
and
decision making power regarding their children to a government entity? >>
Unschoolers don't do that, so perhaps you could find another list more suited
to the questions you're asking.
Sandra
<< The question wasn't why do
children go to public school, it's why do parents hand over complete control
and
decision making power regarding their children to a government entity? >>
Unschoolers don't do that, so perhaps you could find another list more suited
to the questions you're asking.
Sandra