Studies on TV
Have a Nice Day!
I'm not sure if this is the article I read. I think it is. If not, it is definitely similar.
Take a look.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/tvkelemen.htm
Kristen
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Take a look.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/tvkelemen.htm
Kristen
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In a message dated 2/8/2004 10:41:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
litlrooh@... writes:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/tvkelemen.htm<<<<<<
My first reaction to this article was :-P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But after I got over that....
I'm really glad to know that I can, without a doubt, expect my two free-range
TV viewing children to become fat, drunk, violent consumers with ADD.
It's a fact.
~Kelly, who wrote so much more, only to have it disappear into the void that
is lost e-mails on AOL! Sorry.
Folks will have a BALL with *this* one!
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litlrooh@... writes:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/tvkelemen.htm<<<<<<
My first reaction to this article was :-P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But after I got over that....
I'm really glad to know that I can, without a doubt, expect my two free-range
TV viewing children to become fat, drunk, violent consumers with ADD.
It's a fact.
~Kelly, who wrote so much more, only to have it disappear into the void that
is lost e-mails on AOL! Sorry.
Folks will have a BALL with *this* one!
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Robyn Coburn
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100% of the children cited in this article are schooled children.
�And then we wonder why our children feel so hungry, bored, ugly, and
unpopular, and why they are so needy.�
Does this describe any of our unschooled kids? I don�t think so, at least
not how they feel chronically. Nor does the exhibited behavior look like
Jayn. I guess I have to wait another 10-12 years to find out if she turns
out to be a murderer.
�monitored metabolic rates in eight- to twelve-year-old children under two
conditions: lying down in a dark room, and sitting up watching television.
In every case, the child's metabolic rate while sitting and watching
television was far lower than his metabolic rate while lying down in the
dark. Watching television is worse than doing nothing.�
I had to laugh at this idea, that Brazelton also alluded to, that one of the
activities of children was sitting or lying around in the dark � but awake.
Some children lie in the dark feeling scared. Up goes the heart rate. I bet
all of the tested children were staring into the dark, at the very least
feeling bored or anxious about when it would end, or straining to hear
anything (unspecified if all stimulous was removed or just the light) or
secretly laughing at how dopey it was � anyway not relaxing. Of course we
all on a daily basis watch our children engaging in one of these two
conditions � either staring at a television set or sitting in the dark for
extended periods (wonder what they showed that was so stultifying to the
test subjects � no mention of this in the article). A low metabolic rate
equals �worse� � maybe it equals relaxed and stress free. :P~
Even the information about getting obese is taken out of the wider context �
the increase of fatty and hidden sugar foods in our diets in general (like
grain fed beef and all the corn syrup everywhere), the increasing amounts of
time *schooled* children have to spend sitting at their desks or their
homework desks at ever younger ages, the more driving and less walking in
general. The investigators are examining/blaming one aspect of life outside
of the rest.
The article goes on to talk about the use of tv as babysitter, with the
conclusion that parents are therefore neglecting their children�s cognitive
and emotional development � even to the point of ceasing to believe they
have needs in these areas. I don�t know about the general population. I do
know that this is so far from the experience and intention of all the
homeschooling parents, and even more so the unschoolers I have met both her
and IRL, that the whole premise is ridiculous.
I don�t get involved in school bashing conversations � tempting as it is to
shoot fish in a barrel � so I will put up one quote I was guffawing at to
stand alone. (My black sense of humor perhaps):
�A New York Times article detailed how "teachers report they cannot hold the
attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
blame."��.. New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not.� No
shit, Sherlock.
I am so happy to see another :P~~~.
Robyn L. Coburn
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100% of the children cited in this article are schooled children.
�And then we wonder why our children feel so hungry, bored, ugly, and
unpopular, and why they are so needy.�
Does this describe any of our unschooled kids? I don�t think so, at least
not how they feel chronically. Nor does the exhibited behavior look like
Jayn. I guess I have to wait another 10-12 years to find out if she turns
out to be a murderer.
�monitored metabolic rates in eight- to twelve-year-old children under two
conditions: lying down in a dark room, and sitting up watching television.
In every case, the child's metabolic rate while sitting and watching
television was far lower than his metabolic rate while lying down in the
dark. Watching television is worse than doing nothing.�
I had to laugh at this idea, that Brazelton also alluded to, that one of the
activities of children was sitting or lying around in the dark � but awake.
Some children lie in the dark feeling scared. Up goes the heart rate. I bet
all of the tested children were staring into the dark, at the very least
feeling bored or anxious about when it would end, or straining to hear
anything (unspecified if all stimulous was removed or just the light) or
secretly laughing at how dopey it was � anyway not relaxing. Of course we
all on a daily basis watch our children engaging in one of these two
conditions � either staring at a television set or sitting in the dark for
extended periods (wonder what they showed that was so stultifying to the
test subjects � no mention of this in the article). A low metabolic rate
equals �worse� � maybe it equals relaxed and stress free. :P~
Even the information about getting obese is taken out of the wider context �
the increase of fatty and hidden sugar foods in our diets in general (like
grain fed beef and all the corn syrup everywhere), the increasing amounts of
time *schooled* children have to spend sitting at their desks or their
homework desks at ever younger ages, the more driving and less walking in
general. The investigators are examining/blaming one aspect of life outside
of the rest.
The article goes on to talk about the use of tv as babysitter, with the
conclusion that parents are therefore neglecting their children�s cognitive
and emotional development � even to the point of ceasing to believe they
have needs in these areas. I don�t know about the general population. I do
know that this is so far from the experience and intention of all the
homeschooling parents, and even more so the unschoolers I have met both her
and IRL, that the whole premise is ridiculous.
I don�t get involved in school bashing conversations � tempting as it is to
shoot fish in a barrel � so I will put up one quote I was guffawing at to
stand alone. (My black sense of humor perhaps):
�A New York Times article detailed how "teachers report they cannot hold the
attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
blame."��.. New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not.� No
shit, Sherlock.
I am so happy to see another :P~~~.
Robyn L. Coburn
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Kelly Lenhart
<<In 1993, one out of three high school seniors, one out of four
tenth-graders, and one out of seven eighth-graders got drunk at least once
every two weeks.5 Where are so many children learning to abuse alcohol? >>
From their families? From parents who were raised in the fifties and
sixties with "cocktail hour?"
<< The more TV young teens watched, the more alcohol they drank three to
five years later >>
Gee, could that be because they felt disenfranchised and abandoned by their
families? Nope, it's the evil TELEVISION.
<< Ten years after their first report, the United States Surgeon General and
National Institute of Mental Health issued an update clearly stating that
the latest evidence "seems overwhelming that [watching] televised violence
and [acting with] aggression are positively correlated in children."4 >>
And of course, because children will play in a certain way immediatly after
viewing a program that correlates to continued violent behavior in their
lives?
<< A California survey indicates that the more a student watches television,
the worse he does in school. Wilson Riles, California schools
superintendent, said Thursday that no matter how much homework the students
did, how intelligent they were, or how much money their parents earned, the
relationship between television and test scores was practically identical.
Ugh.
Kelly
tenth-graders, and one out of seven eighth-graders got drunk at least once
every two weeks.5 Where are so many children learning to abuse alcohol? >>
From their families? From parents who were raised in the fifties and
sixties with "cocktail hour?"
<< The more TV young teens watched, the more alcohol they drank three to
five years later >>
Gee, could that be because they felt disenfranchised and abandoned by their
families? Nope, it's the evil TELEVISION.
<< Ten years after their first report, the United States Surgeon General and
National Institute of Mental Health issued an update clearly stating that
the latest evidence "seems overwhelming that [watching] televised violence
and [acting with] aggression are positively correlated in children."4 >>
And of course, because children will play in a certain way immediatly after
viewing a program that correlates to continued violent behavior in their
lives?
<< A California survey indicates that the more a student watches television,
the worse he does in school. Wilson Riles, California schools
superintendent, said Thursday that no matter how much homework the students
did, how intelligent they were, or how much money their parents earned, the
relationship between television and test scores was practically identical.
>>And we all know how important test scores are.
Ugh.
Kelly
Have a Nice Day!
"A New York Times article detailed how "teachers report they cannot hold the
attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
blame.".... New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not."
No
shit, Sherlock.
*********************************************
LOLOLOL!!!
Ok, I get the point. Truth be told, when I found the article and re-read
it, I had the same reactions.
I'm not sure why I was so taken by it the first time I saw it. But it was
last summer when I read it I think, and that was the same time I relented
and bought spoiled meat from a door to door salesman for an outrageous price
too.
I must have been out of my mind for awhile then <g>.
In any case, I am still interested in hearing everyone's comments on this
article.
Thanks so much!
Kristen
attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
blame.".... New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not."
No
shit, Sherlock.
*********************************************
LOLOLOL!!!
Ok, I get the point. Truth be told, when I found the article and re-read
it, I had the same reactions.
I'm not sure why I was so taken by it the first time I saw it. But it was
last summer when I read it I think, and that was the same time I relented
and bought spoiled meat from a door to door salesman for an outrageous price
too.
I must have been out of my mind for awhile then <g>.
In any case, I am still interested in hearing everyone's comments on this
article.
Thanks so much!
Kristen
Diane
In our area (central Kentucky) there's a lot of noise about obese
children and how TV's to blame. Nobody seems to realize that these kids
are told to sit down and shut up for six or more hours a day at school,
plus transit time.
But school is blameless, it must be what happens *between* school and
homework--they're not exercising then!
:-) Diane
Have a Nice Day! wrote:
children and how TV's to blame. Nobody seems to realize that these kids
are told to sit down and shut up for six or more hours a day at school,
plus transit time.
But school is blameless, it must be what happens *between* school and
homework--they're not exercising then!
:-) Diane
Have a Nice Day! wrote:
>"A New York Times article detailed how "teachers report they cannot hold the
>attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
>average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
>blame.".... New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
>educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
>love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not."
>
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/8/04 10:53:38 PM, dezigna@... writes:
<< “A New York Times article detailed how "teachers report they cannot hold
the
attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
blame."…….. New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not.” No
shit, Sherlock. >>
Having been around and planning to be a teacher when Sesame Street was new, I
read a lot of the early theory and justification of Children's Television
Workshop which was doing Sesame Street and The Electric Company.
They knew (professionals) that young children's attention span was that
small.
They designed Sesame Street around realities. <g>
They knew that children were memorizing jingles from commercials, and were
discussing funny things they had seen on commercials. So they planned
educational "commercials" (and so did Schoolhouse Rock, based on that same research).
For later educators to come along and BLAME those programs for the realities
on which they are based is one more reason to suspect professionalism in
education. (JJ, don't get out of your chair, it's okay. Dumbasses DO make the
rest look bad; it can't be helped.)
If the purpose of learning the alphabet or to count to twenty is a real human
need (which I think it is) then where and how the children learn it is
irrelevant.
What's at stake in such discussions as whether Sesame Street causes natural
six-year-old reactions is NOT about learning. It's about job security for
teachers, and about making the lives of first grade teachers (NOT of first grade
students) more tolerable and justifiable.
If you paint over all the windows in a school, the teacher is more
interesting than the windows. If you leave them unpainted and kids have a choice
between paying attention to the teacher and looking out the window at birds, trees,
clouds, maybe people, maybe cars, that makes the teacher's job easier.
Most teachers would rather paint over the windows than work at being more
interesting than birds, clouds and trees.
With those studies, they want to paint over the TV screens in homes across
America so they are by comparison more interesting.
Sandra
<< “A New York Times article detailed how "teachers report they cannot hold
the
attention of a kindergarten class for more than two or three minutes - the
average length of a Sesame Street segment. And they say the show is to
blame."…….. New York University's Professor Neil Postman summarized the
educators' objection: "We now know that Sesame Street encourages children to
love school only if school is like Sesame Street" -- which it is not.” No
shit, Sherlock. >>
Having been around and planning to be a teacher when Sesame Street was new, I
read a lot of the early theory and justification of Children's Television
Workshop which was doing Sesame Street and The Electric Company.
They knew (professionals) that young children's attention span was that
small.
They designed Sesame Street around realities. <g>
They knew that children were memorizing jingles from commercials, and were
discussing funny things they had seen on commercials. So they planned
educational "commercials" (and so did Schoolhouse Rock, based on that same research).
For later educators to come along and BLAME those programs for the realities
on which they are based is one more reason to suspect professionalism in
education. (JJ, don't get out of your chair, it's okay. Dumbasses DO make the
rest look bad; it can't be helped.)
If the purpose of learning the alphabet or to count to twenty is a real human
need (which I think it is) then where and how the children learn it is
irrelevant.
What's at stake in such discussions as whether Sesame Street causes natural
six-year-old reactions is NOT about learning. It's about job security for
teachers, and about making the lives of first grade teachers (NOT of first grade
students) more tolerable and justifiable.
If you paint over all the windows in a school, the teacher is more
interesting than the windows. If you leave them unpainted and kids have a choice
between paying attention to the teacher and looking out the window at birds, trees,
clouds, maybe people, maybe cars, that makes the teacher's job easier.
Most teachers would rather paint over the windows than work at being more
interesting than birds, clouds and trees.
With those studies, they want to paint over the TV screens in homes across
America so they are by comparison more interesting.
Sandra
pam sorooshian
On Feb 8, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Kelly Lenhart wrote:
dredging up a quote that is at least 22 to 34 years old? Why?
Also - ALL of these studies only look at correlation. CORRELATION does
not imply CAUSATION.
Could it be that kids who drink more, are more violent, and have other
problems also watch TV more because they HAVE problems? Could it be
that it isn't TV that is causing the problems? DUH!
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
>Wilson Riles hasn't held that position since 1982 -- so they're
> << A California survey indicates that the more a student watches
> television,
> the worse he does in school. Wilson Riles, California schools
> superintendent, said Thursday that no matter how much homework the
> students
> did, how intelligent they were, or how much money their parents
> earned, the
> relationship between television and test scores was practically
> identical.
dredging up a quote that is at least 22 to 34 years old? Why?
Also - ALL of these studies only look at correlation. CORRELATION does
not imply CAUSATION.
Could it be that kids who drink more, are more violent, and have other
problems also watch TV more because they HAVE problems? Could it be
that it isn't TV that is causing the problems? DUH!
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
[email protected]
SandraDodd@... writes:
And I agree, not only is this true, it's also true for first-borns and
moms and homeschoolers and Americans, not just for the
education-credentialed. <eg> JJ
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> For later educators to come along and BLAME those programs for theLOL - I'm starting to really like you!
> realities
> on which they are based is one more reason to suspect professionalism in
> education. (JJ, don't get out of your chair, it's okay. Dumbasses DO make
> the
> rest look bad; it can't be helped.)
>
And I agree, not only is this true, it's also true for first-borns and
moms and homeschoolers and Americans, not just for the
education-credentialed. <eg> JJ
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scookeafan
--- In [email protected], Diane <cen46624@v...> wrote:
How true! And those same Central Kentucky educators have reduced
unstructured play time in elementary school (formerly known as recess)
to one 10 to 15 minute "SPA" (special physical activity?) session per
day. Not to mention that if the child misbehaves or doesn't finish
his/her assignments, losing SPA time is usually the first
"punishment". But apparently no one here sees any correlation with
increased behavior problems in the classroom, the vast increase in
diagnosed ADHD, obesity, etc. Sheesh.
Best regards,
Sherry
> In our area (central Kentucky) there's a lot of noise about obeseDiane,
> children and how TV's to blame. Nobody seems to realize that these kids
> are told to sit down and shut up for six or more hours a day at school,
> plus transit time.
>
> But school is blameless, it must be what happens *between* school and
> homework--they're not exercising then!
>
> :-) Diane
How true! And those same Central Kentucky educators have reduced
unstructured play time in elementary school (formerly known as recess)
to one 10 to 15 minute "SPA" (special physical activity?) session per
day. Not to mention that if the child misbehaves or doesn't finish
his/her assignments, losing SPA time is usually the first
"punishment". But apparently no one here sees any correlation with
increased behavior problems in the classroom, the vast increase in
diagnosed ADHD, obesity, etc. Sheesh.
Best regards,
Sherry
liza sabater
On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 04:51 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
programs with kids (Blues Clues & Dora do the pre-k and k rounds here
in NYC) months before airing them. I know a couple of people that are
part of the production team of Blues Clues. Each episode takes about 9
months to produce --from conception to airing. That's how complicated
the whole process is --lots of testing of all kinds. They have several
physcologists and EDDs on staff.
I remember being in one of those voice-over groups for Sesame Street. I
was in a Head Start programs and took some kids of my class to view and
'comment' several segment; especially those numbers one (where the kids
shout out the numbers). Some of the cast came to the school as well.
Ironically, the guy that plays Luis happens to be my neighbor down here
in the East Village. I always see him either coming from the post
office or from picking up his dry-cleaning. It's weird because I've
basically have had this man 'image' (or character) in my life for about
35 years (I was about 3 years old when they did those voice-overs).
l i z a
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www.culturekitchen.com
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> ISesame Street instituted the practice of testing segments and whole
> read a lot of the early theory and justification of Children's
> Television
> Workshop which was doing Sesame Street and The Electric Company.
>
programs with kids (Blues Clues & Dora do the pre-k and k rounds here
in NYC) months before airing them. I know a couple of people that are
part of the production team of Blues Clues. Each episode takes about 9
months to produce --from conception to airing. That's how complicated
the whole process is --lots of testing of all kinds. They have several
physcologists and EDDs on staff.
I remember being in one of those voice-over groups for Sesame Street. I
was in a Head Start programs and took some kids of my class to view and
'comment' several segment; especially those numbers one (where the kids
shout out the numbers). Some of the cast came to the school as well.
Ironically, the guy that plays Luis happens to be my neighbor down here
in the East Village. I always see him either coming from the post
office or from picking up his dry-cleaning. It's weird because I've
basically have had this man 'image' (or character) in my life for about
35 years (I was about 3 years old when they did those voice-overs).
l i z a
=========================
www.culturekitchen.com
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