Another food question...
Erika Nunn
I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
balance in all of this.
Erika :)
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have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
balance in all of this.
Erika :)
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In a message dated 1/12/04 10:17:50 PM, erikanunn@... writes:
<< I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
like the sugary foods are "off limits?" >>
Lest visions of sugarplums are crowding your head, I will use another area to
illustrate.
Someone kinda snippily jumped on Pam Sorooshian (I think it was) once, when
Pam had said she let her kids play video games all they wanted. The response
was something like "I can't afford to buy all the video games in the world."
Uh...
Yeah.
That was a non-sequitor.
So with food. You don't have to buy the whole grocery store to loosen up on
rules and regulations regarding the ingestion of foodstuffs within the
confines of your home.
When I go to the store, I ask my kids if there's something they want.
Usually they say no. Sometimes they'll name something they've had a craving for.
Recent requests were some jelly other than grape, bananas,
whatever-those-nuts-are-in-that-candy (filberts, I said, and we found them in the shell at Wild
Oats), Malt-o-Meal, and cranberry juice.
Nobody has asked for candy or cookies. I asked for Oreos a couple of weeks
ago and Keith brought oreos with chocolate inside. I didn't care. Holly
didn't like them and asked if we could get regular ones next time. So I bought
regular ones. That's been over a week. I've eaten a dozen of them. I wish I
hadn't. I put eight out on a plate of snacky stuff during Marty's birthday
pizza dinner the other night and they went (along with four large pizzas, two cans
of pineapple chunks, two cans of olives, a bowl of pistachios, a chocolate
orange which had been in the bowl with the Oreos, and 1/3 of a small birthday
cake. They didn't want cake. They were full of pizza.
Nobody came and said "Do you have more Oreos?"
I did.
Still do.
If the kids are with you at the store, they can get the same thrill of
choosing just for you letting them choose which fruit and vegetables to get, which
juice to get, what cereal. You could ask if they want to pick something, or
you could cruise the canned fruit aisle, or dried fruit in bags, or something
new and different to them. But why would you say "You can have any and
everything you want"?
If they ask for something you can't afford, you could ask if there's
something they're willing to put back, or you could say "Okay, let's put that on the
list for next time." When next time comes, they might say "never mind" or they
might say "YES! thanks for remembering."
Sandra
<< I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
like the sugary foods are "off limits?" >>
Lest visions of sugarplums are crowding your head, I will use another area to
illustrate.
Someone kinda snippily jumped on Pam Sorooshian (I think it was) once, when
Pam had said she let her kids play video games all they wanted. The response
was something like "I can't afford to buy all the video games in the world."
Uh...
Yeah.
That was a non-sequitor.
So with food. You don't have to buy the whole grocery store to loosen up on
rules and regulations regarding the ingestion of foodstuffs within the
confines of your home.
When I go to the store, I ask my kids if there's something they want.
Usually they say no. Sometimes they'll name something they've had a craving for.
Recent requests were some jelly other than grape, bananas,
whatever-those-nuts-are-in-that-candy (filberts, I said, and we found them in the shell at Wild
Oats), Malt-o-Meal, and cranberry juice.
Nobody has asked for candy or cookies. I asked for Oreos a couple of weeks
ago and Keith brought oreos with chocolate inside. I didn't care. Holly
didn't like them and asked if we could get regular ones next time. So I bought
regular ones. That's been over a week. I've eaten a dozen of them. I wish I
hadn't. I put eight out on a plate of snacky stuff during Marty's birthday
pizza dinner the other night and they went (along with four large pizzas, two cans
of pineapple chunks, two cans of olives, a bowl of pistachios, a chocolate
orange which had been in the bowl with the Oreos, and 1/3 of a small birthday
cake. They didn't want cake. They were full of pizza.
Nobody came and said "Do you have more Oreos?"
I did.
Still do.
If the kids are with you at the store, they can get the same thrill of
choosing just for you letting them choose which fruit and vegetables to get, which
juice to get, what cereal. You could ask if they want to pick something, or
you could cruise the canned fruit aisle, or dried fruit in bags, or something
new and different to them. But why would you say "You can have any and
everything you want"?
If they ask for something you can't afford, you could ask if there's
something they're willing to put back, or you could say "Okay, let's put that on the
list for next time." When next time comes, they might say "never mind" or they
might say "YES! thanks for remembering."
Sandra
Mary
From: "Erika Nunn" <erikanunn@...>
healthy snack for you and giving it to your child so they can purchase what
they would like? If they get to pick something every time they go, even just
one thing, I wouldn't think it would make that much of a dent in the budget
and still give some freedom for a little kid snack of their choice.
Mary B.
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> I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DOHow about taking something on your list that isn't a necessity. Like a
> have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
> that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
> like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
> balance in all of this.
healthy snack for you and giving it to your child so they can purchase what
they would like? If they get to pick something every time they go, even just
one thing, I wouldn't think it would make that much of a dent in the budget
and still give some freedom for a little kid snack of their choice.
Mary B.
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Robyn Coburn
<<If the kids are with you at the store, they can get the same thrill of
choosing just for you letting them choose which fruit and vegetables to get,
which
juice to get, what cereal. You could ask if they want to pick something, or
you could cruise the canned fruit aisle, or dried fruit in bags, or
something
new and different to them. But why would you say "You can have any and
everything you want"?>>
I have finally found the solution for Jayn wanting to run away from me in
the grocery store. I ask her to go and choose some lemons or tomatoes or
something nearby. It helps that since the strike we have been shopping in
Trader Joe's that is both smaller and cheaper, with fewer choices (eg no
endless racks of nasty candies - just a few good quality ones). Last time
she couldn't see the lemons so "took off" to find an attendant to help her.
She is pretty cute so the guys are usually really sweet to her, then she
brings the stuff to me.
Robyn L. Coburn
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choosing just for you letting them choose which fruit and vegetables to get,
which
juice to get, what cereal. You could ask if they want to pick something, or
you could cruise the canned fruit aisle, or dried fruit in bags, or
something
new and different to them. But why would you say "You can have any and
everything you want"?>>
I have finally found the solution for Jayn wanting to run away from me in
the grocery store. I ask her to go and choose some lemons or tomatoes or
something nearby. It helps that since the strike we have been shopping in
Trader Joe's that is both smaller and cheaper, with fewer choices (eg no
endless racks of nasty candies - just a few good quality ones). Last time
she couldn't see the lemons so "took off" to find an attendant to help her.
She is pretty cute so the guys are usually really sweet to her, then she
brings the stuff to me.
Robyn L. Coburn
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
joylyn
Why couldn't you and the kids come up with a plan for meals for the week
or two weeks or whatever. Then based on that plan, shop. In my house,
each person gets a treat of their choice. Half the time it's sugary
foods, the other half it's strange things like brocoli or grape
tomatoes. I don't really keep track. The kids also know that items on
sale are more liekly to be purchased and items that come with a coupon
are more likely to be purchased. THere are no fast rules, just
guidelines respecting everyone's choices, needs, wants. .
Joylyn
Erika Nunn wrote:
or two weeks or whatever. Then based on that plan, shop. In my house,
each person gets a treat of their choice. Half the time it's sugary
foods, the other half it's strange things like brocoli or grape
tomatoes. I don't really keep track. The kids also know that items on
sale are more liekly to be purchased and items that come with a coupon
are more likely to be purchased. THere are no fast rules, just
guidelines respecting everyone's choices, needs, wants. .
Joylyn
Erika Nunn wrote:
>I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
>have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
>that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
>like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
>balance in all of this.
>
>Erika :)
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Kelly
What I started doing is going grocery shopping without the children.
I found that when I took the children with me, we would inevitably end up
with all sorts of junk food in the cart, mainly because the children would
fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a total
impulse buy on the part of the children. It wasn't something they wanted
before they saw it in the store.
Every once in awhile, I'll surprise them by bringing home something like
that, especially if it's on sale. And then it's a treat.
Kelly
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coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library." - Good Will
Hunting
I found that when I took the children with me, we would inevitably end up
with all sorts of junk food in the cart, mainly because the children would
fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a total
impulse buy on the part of the children. It wasn't something they wanted
before they saw it in the store.
Every once in awhile, I'll surprise them by bringing home something like
that, especially if it's on sale. And then it's a treat.
Kelly
"One day you'll wake up and realize you wasted $150,000 on an education you
coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library." - Good Will
Hunting
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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:53 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Another food question...
> I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
> have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
> that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
> like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
> balance in all of this.
>
> Erika :)
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on 1/12/04 7:53 PM, Erika Nunn at erikanunn@... wrote:
Removing limits isn't about removing real limits. It's about recognizing and
eliminating the arbitrary limits that we impose because of fear and to make
life more convenient for mom.
Joyce
> So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food soHow do you say no to kids wanting to fly? Some limitations in life are real!
> that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
> like the sugary foods are "off limits?"
Removing limits isn't about removing real limits. It's about recognizing and
eliminating the arbitrary limits that we impose because of fear and to make
life more convenient for mom.
Joyce
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Seems like wasting some good learning opportunities, though. JJ
apmomto4@... writes:
apmomto4@... writes:
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> I found that when I took the children with me, we would inevitably end up
> with all sorts of junk food in the cart, mainly because the children would
> fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a total
> impulse buy on the part of the children. It wasn't something they wanted
> before they saw it in the store.
>
> Every once in awhile, I'll surprise them by bringing home something like
> that, especially if it's on sale. And then it's a treat.
>
> Kelly
>
Kelly Lenhart
?> Seems like wasting some good learning opportunities, though. JJ
I don't take my kids shopping anymore, either, if I can help it. We have
two big ones with kid drop off play areas and I leave the big ones there and
keep the infant with me.
It's a treat for them, and I get to shop in peace.
It's no learning experience for them if I'm stressed to the gills.
Kelly
> I found that when I took the children with me, we would inevitably end up(That's the other Kelly up there, below is me. -smile-)
> with all sorts of junk food in the cart, mainly because the children would
> fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a total
> impulse buy on the part of the children. It wasn't something they wanted
> before they saw it in the store.
> Kelly
I don't take my kids shopping anymore, either, if I can help it. We have
two big ones with kid drop off play areas and I leave the big ones there and
keep the infant with me.
It's a treat for them, and I get to shop in peace.
It's no learning experience for them if I'm stressed to the gills.
Kelly
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In a message dated 1/13/04 5:10:02 AM, apmomto4@... writes:
<< I found that when I took the children with me, we would inevitably end up
with all sorts of junk food in the cart, mainly because the children would
fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a total
impulse buy on the part of the children. >>
"All sorts"? If you let them pick a thing, that would be just a few things,
but in addition, if you get to the point where you're not so concerned with
separating food into good and "junk" and the kids get to the point that they
really trust that they will have food when they're hungry and that the kitchen
isn't "The House of NO," I think you'll find them as happy to have strawberries
as fruit roll-ups.
Going to the store without children sometimes can be glorious for a mom of
several little children. I remember letting other people cut in front of me
while I read the magazines at the rack, stalling before going home, feeling the
quiet and the stillness of not having another human hanging off of me.
But never taking children to the store is depriving them of a LOT of learning
opportunity. I think going to new and different stores just for the new
stimuli is one of the easiest unschooling tools a family can use.
<<Every once in awhile, I'll surprise them by bringing home something like
that, especially if it's on sale. And then it's a treat.>>
If "junk" equals "treat," children will crave those things. If they only
occasionally have access to candy or whatever it is "junk" meant above, they
will dream about it and eat it as fast and as much as possible when it's there.
"Treat" is good! It's reward. It's happy.
If that candy is just another thing on the shelf, and it will be there later,
you might find them letting it get dusty, eventually, but that won't happen
until some time AFTER the parents can get over the food prejudices and
deprivations and requirements so many of us grew up with.
http://sandradodd.com/food
There are some good stories there.
Sandra
<< I found that when I took the children with me, we would inevitably end up
with all sorts of junk food in the cart, mainly because the children would
fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a total
impulse buy on the part of the children. >>
"All sorts"? If you let them pick a thing, that would be just a few things,
but in addition, if you get to the point where you're not so concerned with
separating food into good and "junk" and the kids get to the point that they
really trust that they will have food when they're hungry and that the kitchen
isn't "The House of NO," I think you'll find them as happy to have strawberries
as fruit roll-ups.
Going to the store without children sometimes can be glorious for a mom of
several little children. I remember letting other people cut in front of me
while I read the magazines at the rack, stalling before going home, feeling the
quiet and the stillness of not having another human hanging off of me.
But never taking children to the store is depriving them of a LOT of learning
opportunity. I think going to new and different stores just for the new
stimuli is one of the easiest unschooling tools a family can use.
<<Every once in awhile, I'll surprise them by bringing home something like
that, especially if it's on sale. And then it's a treat.>>
If "junk" equals "treat," children will crave those things. If they only
occasionally have access to candy or whatever it is "junk" meant above, they
will dream about it and eat it as fast and as much as possible when it's there.
"Treat" is good! It's reward. It's happy.
If that candy is just another thing on the shelf, and it will be there later,
you might find them letting it get dusty, eventually, but that won't happen
until some time AFTER the parents can get over the food prejudices and
deprivations and requirements so many of us grew up with.
http://sandradodd.com/food
There are some good stories there.
Sandra
gehrkes
We do once a month shopping. And weekly quick trips to the store. I
have a list and a meal plan, because our budget is tight. Everyone
adds to the list. Meal ideas and individual needs and wants. Then we
tally it all up and make adjustments.Everyones needs and wants are
equal.
Because the Sams Club and Walmart are 120 miles away we usually all
go. The kids make a day out of it. Checking out toys and video
games. Some of them help me fill our list. They like to ride on top
of the big cart.They budget and tell me what the best deal is.
Last time we went to shop it was very very cold.. -20. I hate to
drive in cold or icy roads, but we needed to shop desperately. The
three boys did not want to go. We live in the country and with them
being 12 and under I would not be okay with leaving them for at
minimum 6 hours. So hubby volunteered to do the shopping. lol.. He
never does the shopping. He and 8 y.o. daughter did it. They had a
great time. Ashton advised on anything David was unsure of.
David came home very tired and with a great respect for shopping..
SO you can learn at any age.. lol..
Kathleen
have a list and a meal plan, because our budget is tight. Everyone
adds to the list. Meal ideas and individual needs and wants. Then we
tally it all up and make adjustments.Everyones needs and wants are
equal.
Because the Sams Club and Walmart are 120 miles away we usually all
go. The kids make a day out of it. Checking out toys and video
games. Some of them help me fill our list. They like to ride on top
of the big cart.They budget and tell me what the best deal is.
Last time we went to shop it was very very cold.. -20. I hate to
drive in cold or icy roads, but we needed to shop desperately. The
three boys did not want to go. We live in the country and with them
being 12 and under I would not be okay with leaving them for at
minimum 6 hours. So hubby volunteered to do the shopping. lol.. He
never does the shopping. He and 8 y.o. daughter did it. They had a
great time. Ashton advised on anything David was unsure of.
David came home very tired and with a great respect for shopping..
SO you can learn at any age.. lol..
Kathleen
Lyle W.
mainly because the children would
I LOVE shopping with my kids! Without them, shopping is...boring. They're usually the one's that find all of the cool new stuff. And my youngest is my bargain shopper...he scans the shelves looking for the best buy on something we need or want. I usually spend MORE if he's not with me, lol.
Someone else mentioned having to buy junk food when the kids are along. I think you have to expect that. Junk food is fun! A little bit mixed in with everything else won't hurt anything.
I mean, come on, everyone needs a little junk food every now and then. ;-)
Lyle
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> fall for the pretty packaging, characters on the box, etc. It was a totalI do that too! I don't always buy what's ONLY on the list. Maybe there's something new, something we haven't tried.
> impulse buy on the part of the children. It wasn't something they wanted
> before they saw it in the store.
> Kelly
I LOVE shopping with my kids! Without them, shopping is...boring. They're usually the one's that find all of the cool new stuff. And my youngest is my bargain shopper...he scans the shelves looking for the best buy on something we need or want. I usually spend MORE if he's not with me, lol.
Someone else mentioned having to buy junk food when the kids are along. I think you have to expect that. Junk food is fun! A little bit mixed in with everything else won't hurt anything.
I mean, come on, everyone needs a little junk food every now and then. ;-)
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In a message dated 01/13/2004 11:11:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mina@... writes:
shopping, so it doesn't stress me. I adore taking the kids and making a
learning adventure out of it. Btw, did you know there's a whole body of research
about shopper behavior and a very readable book you can use to help older children
notice what's going on with product placement, displays, et cetera. It's
called the Science of Shopping, I think, by Paco Underhill. Fascinating stuff!
JJ.
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mina@... writes:
> It's no learning experience for them if I'm stressed to the gills.LOL - so true! I just see the learning opportunities in all kinds of
>
shopping, so it doesn't stress me. I adore taking the kids and making a
learning adventure out of it. Btw, did you know there's a whole body of research
about shopper behavior and a very readable book you can use to help older children
notice what's going on with product placement, displays, et cetera. It's
called the Science of Shopping, I think, by Paco Underhill. Fascinating stuff!
JJ.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Erika Nunn
Forgive me if I came off as being snippily....not at all my intent. Let's
just say that this is a new concept for me, and I am sure that I am asking
obvious questions here. However, sometimes I tend to overthink what I am
doing with my children and am not always certain how to present things to
them. This is why I come to you experienced ladies to ensure that I am on
the right track.
Yesterday, my son ate icecream for breakfast and got a stomachache at the
park later. So we went shopping and got the makings for a lovely dinner,
whereupon he decided to eat half the box of cookies that he had chosen
instead. I breathed and let it go. This morning he woke up and noticed the
cookies left on the table. He said, "Huh...there are still cookies left
there," and then went on playing. We then ate a good breakfast. The
cookies seem to have become a moot point now.
As for the TV restrictions, I told my son that he could now watch TV
whenever that he wanted. He said, "Really??!!" The first morning he woke
up and watched his PBS shows until 2pm. He said to me with a very peaceful
expression on his face, "Thank you Mama for just letting me have quiet
time." The next day or so they watched TV more than usual. Yesterday they
woke up and the thought never crossed their minds - they played Star
Wars/Ninja Turtle games all day, and today it is the same thing.
I am seeing the light.
Erika :)
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just say that this is a new concept for me, and I am sure that I am asking
obvious questions here. However, sometimes I tend to overthink what I am
doing with my children and am not always certain how to present things to
them. This is why I come to you experienced ladies to ensure that I am on
the right track.
Yesterday, my son ate icecream for breakfast and got a stomachache at the
park later. So we went shopping and got the makings for a lovely dinner,
whereupon he decided to eat half the box of cookies that he had chosen
instead. I breathed and let it go. This morning he woke up and noticed the
cookies left on the table. He said, "Huh...there are still cookies left
there," and then went on playing. We then ate a good breakfast. The
cookies seem to have become a moot point now.
As for the TV restrictions, I told my son that he could now watch TV
whenever that he wanted. He said, "Really??!!" The first morning he woke
up and watched his PBS shows until 2pm. He said to me with a very peaceful
expression on his face, "Thank you Mama for just letting me have quiet
time." The next day or so they watched TV more than usual. Yesterday they
woke up and the thought never crossed their minds - they played Star
Wars/Ninja Turtle games all day, and today it is the same thing.
I am seeing the light.
Erika :)
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Another food question...
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:29:46 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 1/12/04 10:17:50 PM, erikanunn@... writes:
>
><< I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
>
>have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
>
>that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
>
>like the sugary foods are "off limits?" >>
>
>Lest visions of sugarplums are crowding your head, I will use another area
>to
>illustrate.
>
>Someone kinda snippily jumped on Pam Sorooshian (I think it was) once, when
>Pam had said she let her kids play video games all they wanted. The
>response
>was something like "I can't afford to buy all the video games in the
>world."
>
>Uh...
>Yeah.
>
>That was a non-sequitor.
>
>So with food. You don't have to buy the whole grocery store to loosen up
>on
>rules and regulations regarding the ingestion of foodstuffs within the
>confines of your home.
>
>When I go to the store, I ask my kids if there's something they want.
>Usually they say no. Sometimes they'll name something they've had a
>craving for.
>Recent requests were some jelly other than grape, bananas,
>whatever-those-nuts-are-in-that-candy (filberts, I said, and we found them
>in the shell at Wild
>Oats), Malt-o-Meal, and cranberry juice.
>
>Nobody has asked for candy or cookies. I asked for Oreos a couple of weeks
>ago and Keith brought oreos with chocolate inside. I didn't care. Holly
>didn't like them and asked if we could get regular ones next time. So I
>bought
>regular ones. That's been over a week. I've eaten a dozen of them. I
>wish I
>hadn't. I put eight out on a plate of snacky stuff during Marty's birthday
>pizza dinner the other night and they went (along with four large pizzas,
>two cans
>of pineapple chunks, two cans of olives, a bowl of pistachios, a chocolate
>orange which had been in the bowl with the Oreos, and 1/3 of a small
>birthday
>cake. They didn't want cake. They were full of pizza.
>
>Nobody came and said "Do you have more Oreos?"
>
>I did.
>
>Still do.
>
>If the kids are with you at the store, they can get the same thrill of
>choosing just for you letting them choose which fruit and vegetables to
>get, which
>juice to get, what cereal. You could ask if they want to pick something,
>or
>you could cruise the canned fruit aisle, or dried fruit in bags, or
>something
>new and different to them. But why would you say "You can have any and
>everything you want"?
>
>If they ask for something you can't afford, you could ask if there's
>something they're willing to put back, or you could say "Okay, let's put
>that on the
>list for next time." When next time comes, they might say "never mind" or
>they
>might say "YES! thanks for remembering."
>
>
>
>Sandra
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In a message dated 1/13/2004 12:17:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
erikanunn@... writes:
<<I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
balance in all of this.>>
We also have a very low food budget, and for a long time, I used this as an
excuse for not changing our way of eating. Now that I'm letting the kids eat
what they want when they want, I'm find not spending more on food. I think
this is due to 2 things. First when I buy more sugary foods, more fruit, more
meat (our food budget is really low and these are the things I always had to
restrict!) these foods are usually replacing other foods. If the kids want
"poptarts", I don't buy cereal. I use the things they want to replace other things
that would usually be on our grocery list. Also we now waste less food. I
think this is funny because I always use to be worried about having enough food
and making sure all the kids were eating enough and would make them clear
their plates. Now they don't throw out as much food because everything they take
they want. I don't make casseroles for dinner any more, and I don't need all
that stuff. Everything has pretty much evened out. We don't spend any more
money, and we're all relaxed and happier.
--Jacqueline
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erikanunn@... writes:
<<I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods; however, we DO
have a budget. So I am wondering how does one say "no" to buying food so
that one does not rack up a huge bill of sugary foods while not making it
like the sugary foods are "off limits?" Just trying to figure out the
balance in all of this.>>
We also have a very low food budget, and for a long time, I used this as an
excuse for not changing our way of eating. Now that I'm letting the kids eat
what they want when they want, I'm find not spending more on food. I think
this is due to 2 things. First when I buy more sugary foods, more fruit, more
meat (our food budget is really low and these are the things I always had to
restrict!) these foods are usually replacing other foods. If the kids want
"poptarts", I don't buy cereal. I use the things they want to replace other things
that would usually be on our grocery list. Also we now waste less food. I
think this is funny because I always use to be worried about having enough food
and making sure all the kids were eating enough and would make them clear
their plates. Now they don't throw out as much food because everything they take
they want. I don't make casseroles for dinner any more, and I don't need all
that stuff. Everything has pretty much evened out. We don't spend any more
money, and we're all relaxed and happier.
--Jacqueline
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Erika Nunn wrote:
say "no" to buying food so that one does not rack up a huge bill of
sugary foods while not making it like the sugary foods are "off
limits?" Just trying to figure out the balance in all of this.
Erika :) >>>>>>>>>>>
Ah, yes, balance <g>
I like the suggestion of going by yourself to the store - but only at
the beginning.
As you are on your way out to go to the store, casually ask each one
(sorry don't remember the number or ages of your children) what they
need from the store.
(If yours are like mine were, the first time you do this they will
look at you with surprise/shock and say "Really?" or something like
that.)
Calmly write it on your list or say OK and then buy the items.
(When I did this, the first time I asked I only got one response from
each one - dd was probably 10yo and ds 16yo - items were shark bites
and Cinnamon Toast Crunch)
When you get home, steel yourself (dare I say "bite your tongue"
<g>) to not say anything negative when they eat it. If you have to
comment, brightly say "Glad you enjoyed it".
(My kids did wolf the stuff down - in my opinion <g> - but when it
was gone, I'd just calmly say "If you need more, add it to the list
and I'll pick it up next time" rather than "WHAT - it's gone
already?" or some other unhelpful comment.)
Repeat this each time you go to the store. Don't make a big deal out
of it - maybe say it like you would to dh. Be sure not to make
negative comments, either when they name their items or when they eat
them (very important if you want to hurry the process!!!!)
(As I kept doing this, their lists got longer as they were better
prepared to answer <g>. Oh, I also had a running shopping list
going so they could add stuff to it. The longest their lists ever
got was maybe 5 items each)
Soon, (sooner if you don't make any negative comments) they'll start
adding stuff-you-consider-better to their list.
(Here it was satsumas, avacados, cheese, deli meat)
After a relatively short time - TaaDaaa - "treats" won't be as big
a deal to them, you won't feel like you're busting your budget when
the occasional request for a candy bar comes in, you can enjoy taking
your children to the store again, and (most important) your children
will be listening to their bodies to decide what their needs are.
Mercedes
who wishes she had casually and calmly taken the slow and steady
approach to bedtimes. . . . .
>>>>>>I understand now about not putting restrictions on foods;however, we DO have a budget. So I am wondering how does one
say "no" to buying food so that one does not rack up a huge bill of
sugary foods while not making it like the sugary foods are "off
limits?" Just trying to figure out the balance in all of this.
Erika :) >>>>>>>>>>>
Ah, yes, balance <g>
I like the suggestion of going by yourself to the store - but only at
the beginning.
As you are on your way out to go to the store, casually ask each one
(sorry don't remember the number or ages of your children) what they
need from the store.
(If yours are like mine were, the first time you do this they will
look at you with surprise/shock and say "Really?" or something like
that.)
Calmly write it on your list or say OK and then buy the items.
(When I did this, the first time I asked I only got one response from
each one - dd was probably 10yo and ds 16yo - items were shark bites
and Cinnamon Toast Crunch)
When you get home, steel yourself (dare I say "bite your tongue"
<g>) to not say anything negative when they eat it. If you have to
comment, brightly say "Glad you enjoyed it".
(My kids did wolf the stuff down - in my opinion <g> - but when it
was gone, I'd just calmly say "If you need more, add it to the list
and I'll pick it up next time" rather than "WHAT - it's gone
already?" or some other unhelpful comment.)
Repeat this each time you go to the store. Don't make a big deal out
of it - maybe say it like you would to dh. Be sure not to make
negative comments, either when they name their items or when they eat
them (very important if you want to hurry the process!!!!)
(As I kept doing this, their lists got longer as they were better
prepared to answer <g>. Oh, I also had a running shopping list
going so they could add stuff to it. The longest their lists ever
got was maybe 5 items each)
Soon, (sooner if you don't make any negative comments) they'll start
adding stuff-you-consider-better to their list.
(Here it was satsumas, avacados, cheese, deli meat)
After a relatively short time - TaaDaaa - "treats" won't be as big
a deal to them, you won't feel like you're busting your budget when
the occasional request for a candy bar comes in, you can enjoy taking
your children to the store again, and (most important) your children
will be listening to their bodies to decide what their needs are.
Mercedes
who wishes she had casually and calmly taken the slow and steady
approach to bedtimes. . . . .
[email protected]
25 years of parenting, 14 years of unschooling - there've been seasons I
shopped alone, seasons I took all the kids, seasons I've taken one at a time.
Currently it just doesn't work to have both my 11 year olds with me for any
extended run. ::::shrug::::::: So I invite one at a time. Usually. :)
Deborah in IL
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shopped alone, seasons I took all the kids, seasons I've taken one at a time.
Currently it just doesn't work to have both my 11 year olds with me for any
extended run. ::::shrug::::::: So I invite one at a time. Usually. :)
Deborah in IL
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ivorygrace7@... writes:
holidays for healthier cooking ideas for me and DH (we are getting old fast, and
starting to feel it!) and the children came to show me different things they'd
found.
Then Dd13 saw one book in my section that caused her to put back her
other possible choices and pony up the purchase price out of her own pocket --
"The Gallery of Regrettable Foods" complete with reproduced photographs and ad
copy from the last millennium, and some wry commentary.
If you, or your mom or grandmom, ever made casseroles from magazine
recipes or Better Homes and Gardens cookbooks, you might remember some of these
dishes all too well. It was a real education for Dd -- and all her friends.
They've had no end of fun with it, and her dad and I got some yucks from it and
a chance to tell some stories. Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be the
memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age. JJ
You can take a free peek at the cover and some of the inside pages at:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0609607820/ref=sib_rdr_fm/103-7268324-1176635?
%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S003#reader-link
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> I don't make casseroles for dinner any more, and I don't need allAfter the holidays I was combing the cookbook shelves after the
> that stuff. Everything has pretty much evened out. We don't spend any more
>
> money, and we're all relaxed and happier.
>
holidays for healthier cooking ideas for me and DH (we are getting old fast, and
starting to feel it!) and the children came to show me different things they'd
found.
Then Dd13 saw one book in my section that caused her to put back her
other possible choices and pony up the purchase price out of her own pocket --
"The Gallery of Regrettable Foods" complete with reproduced photographs and ad
copy from the last millennium, and some wry commentary.
If you, or your mom or grandmom, ever made casseroles from magazine
recipes or Better Homes and Gardens cookbooks, you might remember some of these
dishes all too well. It was a real education for Dd -- and all her friends.
They've had no end of fun with it, and her dad and I got some yucks from it and
a chance to tell some stories. Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be the
memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age. JJ
You can take a free peek at the cover and some of the inside pages at:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0609607820/ref=sib_rdr_fm/103-7268324-1176635?
%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S003#reader-link
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In a message dated 1/13/04 3:17:16 PM, DACunefare@... writes:
<< seasons I've taken one at a time.
Currently it just doesn't work to have both my 11 year olds with me for any
extended run. ::::shrug::::::: So I invite one at a time. >>
I love one-at-a-time, and even when they were little, I'd take the one who
seemed the most stir-crazy and leave the other two with Keith.
Sandra
<< seasons I've taken one at a time.
Currently it just doesn't work to have both my 11 year olds with me for any
extended run. ::::shrug::::::: So I invite one at a time. >>
I love one-at-a-time, and even when they were little, I'd take the one who
seemed the most stir-crazy and leave the other two with Keith.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/13/04 3:38:46 PM, jrossedd@... writes:
<< Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be the
memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age. JJ
Did they have the jello salads?
Sandra
<< Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be the
memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age. JJ
>>Jello salads?
Did they have the jello salads?
Sandra
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In a message dated 01/14/2004 2:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
"ketchup" and just after the "cooking with 7-up" feature!
In the Gallery of Regrettable Food, Jell-O lore is divided into Jell-O
for the 50s, 60s and 70s, so we can appreciate the subtle nuances of Jell-O
through the Ages. <g>
You have to see the color photographs to get full value from the
commentary, but under the heading "Jell-O Ignores the Difficult Sixties!" there is
this:
"Here an MRI scan shows that the nodes of over-saturated cherry Jell-O
have spread throughout the delicious, refreshing prune-flavored foam.
Prognosis: dessert!"
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> << Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be theHeavens, yes, pages of it, right before the special section on
> memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age.
> JJ
> >>
>
> Jello salads?
> Did they have the jello salads?
>
> Sandra
"ketchup" and just after the "cooking with 7-up" feature!
In the Gallery of Regrettable Food, Jell-O lore is divided into Jell-O
for the 50s, 60s and 70s, so we can appreciate the subtle nuances of Jell-O
through the Ages. <g>
You have to see the color photographs to get full value from the
commentary, but under the heading "Jell-O Ignores the Difficult Sixties!" there is
this:
"Here an MRI scan shows that the nodes of over-saturated cherry Jell-O
have spread throughout the delicious, refreshing prune-flavored foam.
Prognosis: dessert!"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/14/04 4:50:05 AM, erikanunn@... writes:
<< Yesterday, my son ate icecream for breakfast and got a stomachache at the
park later. >>
My mom would have said "Good," and that will give a kid a stomachache surer
than anything, but my mom wasn't very empathetic. And I don't know what was
going on at the park, but parks are famous for inducing stomach aches with
sliding and spinning and running and rolling down hills.
<<He said to me with a very peaceful
expression on his face, "Thank you Mama for just letting me have quiet
time." >>
That's really sweet!
Sandra
<< Yesterday, my son ate icecream for breakfast and got a stomachache at the
park later. >>
My mom would have said "Good," and that will give a kid a stomachache surer
than anything, but my mom wasn't very empathetic. And I don't know what was
going on at the park, but parks are famous for inducing stomach aches with
sliding and spinning and running and rolling down hills.
<<He said to me with a very peaceful
expression on his face, "Thank you Mama for just letting me have quiet
time." >>
That's really sweet!
Sandra
Wife2Vegman
--- jrossedd@... wrote:
Trivia Unwrapped tells you things like how many twists
are in a twizzler, how Pringles became the stackable
chip, etc.
It might be the same show that goes back and shows the
cultural history behind such wonderful things such as
Spam, Jell-O, Push pops, pop rocks, you name it.
=====
--Susan in VA
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>There is a way cool show on the Food Network called
> Heavens, yes, pages of it, right before the
> special section on
> "ketchup" and just after the "cooking with 7-up"
> feature!
>
> In the Gallery of Regrettable Food, Jell-O
> lore is divided into Jell-O
> for the 50s, 60s and 70s, so we can appreciate the
> subtle nuances of Jell-O
> through the Ages. <g>
>
Trivia Unwrapped tells you things like how many twists
are in a twizzler, how Pringles became the stackable
chip, etc.
It might be the same show that goes back and shows the
cultural history behind such wonderful things such as
Spam, Jell-O, Push pops, pop rocks, you name it.
=====
--Susan in VA
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That's one of Logan's favorite shows! He loves cooking shows, and helping me cook. He may be a chef someday.I enjoy that show too, and also "Good Eats."
MamaBeth
Wife2Vegman <wifetovegman2002@...> wrote:
--- jrossedd@... wrote:
Trivia Unwrapped tells you things like how many twists
are in a twizzler, how Pringles became the stackable
chip, etc.
It might be the same show that goes back and shows the
cultural history behind such wonderful things such as
Spam, Jell-O, Push pops, pop rocks, you name it.
=====
--Susan in VA
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Wife2Vegman <wifetovegman2002@...> wrote:
--- jrossedd@... wrote:
>There is a way cool show on the Food Network called
> Heavens, yes, pages of it, right before the
> special section on
> "ketchup" and just after the "cooking with 7-up"
> feature!
>
> In the Gallery of Regrettable Food, Jell-O
> lore is divided into Jell-O
> for the 50s, 60s and 70s, so we can appreciate the
> subtle nuances of Jell-O
> through the Ages. <g>
>
Trivia Unwrapped tells you things like how many twists
are in a twizzler, how Pringles became the stackable
chip, etc.
It might be the same show that goes back and shows the
cultural history behind such wonderful things such as
Spam, Jell-O, Push pops, pop rocks, you name it.
=====
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The guy that wrote the book _Gallery of Regrettable Food_, has a whole web
site full of amusing stuff. Because he's published the book, most of the
food stuff is not on the site any more, but you can get a taste of it here:
http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/
His main page is here:
http://www.lileks.com/
Jocelyn
site full of amusing stuff. Because he's published the book, most of the
food stuff is not on the site any more, but you can get a taste of it here:
http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/
His main page is here:
http://www.lileks.com/
Jocelyn
On 1/14/04 11:44 AM, "jrossedd@..." <jrossedd@...> wrote:
> In a message dated 01/14/2004 2:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>
>
>> << Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be the
>> memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age.
>> JJ
>>>>
>>
>> Jello salads?
>> Did they have the jello salads?
>>
>> Sandra
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Thanks -- I immediately passed this on to DD, who is already all
excited about his old Times Square photos and also the bit about funny money from
different countries (because they "dress funny" <eg>) -- unschooling resources
really are found in strange places! JJ
jocelyn@... writes:
excited about his old Times Square photos and also the bit about funny money from
different countries (because they "dress funny" <eg>) -- unschooling resources
really are found in strange places! JJ
jocelyn@... writes:
> The guy that wrote the book _Gallery of Regrettable Food_, has a whole web[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> site full of amusing stuff. Because he's published the book, most of the
> food stuff is not on the site any more, but you can get a taste of it here:
>
> http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/
>
> His main page is here:
>
> http://www.lileks.com/
>
> Jocelyn
>
> On 1/14/04 11:44 AM, "jrossedd@..." <jrossedd@...> wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 01/14/2004 2:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > SandraDodd@... writes:
> >
> >
> >> << Forget rock n roll, casseroles seem to be the
> >> memory's Great Equalizer among those of us reaching a certain, ahem, age.
> >> JJ
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Jello salads?
> >> Did they have the jello salads?
> >>
> >> Sandra
>
Rose
This sounds great, but we also have food allergies and sensitivities..
My oldest can not handle sugar well and NO dairy allowed (or beef) for my
all my kids...
SO when they do get a 'sugar' treat it is a treat..
Any suggestions? (oldest has terrible anger rages that can hurt himself and
others if his diet is not right)
Trying to learn...
Rose
-------Original Message-------
After a relatively short time - TaaDaaa - "treats" won't be as big
a deal to them, you won't feel like you're busting your budget when
the occasional request for a candy bar comes in, you can enjoy taking
your children to the store again, and (most important) your children
will be listening to their bodies to decide what their needs are.
Mercedes
who wishes she had casually and calmly taken the slow and steady
approach to bedtimes. . . . .
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
My oldest can not handle sugar well and NO dairy allowed (or beef) for my
all my kids...
SO when they do get a 'sugar' treat it is a treat..
Any suggestions? (oldest has terrible anger rages that can hurt himself and
others if his diet is not right)
Trying to learn...
Rose
-------Original Message-------
After a relatively short time - TaaDaaa - "treats" won't be as big
a deal to them, you won't feel like you're busting your budget when
the occasional request for a candy bar comes in, you can enjoy taking
your children to the store again, and (most important) your children
will be listening to their bodies to decide what their needs are.
Mercedes
who wishes she had casually and calmly taken the slow and steady
approach to bedtimes. . . . .
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/18/04 12:20:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rose@...
writes:
falls into that category for you kids? Many times honey can be substituted
in for sugar in homemade treats.
Pam G
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writes:
> My oldest can not handle sugar wellWhen you say sugar do you mean anything sweet? I was just wondering if honey
falls into that category for you kids? Many times honey can be substituted
in for sugar in homemade treats.
Pam G
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Danielle Conger
Any suggestions? (oldest has terrible anger rages that can hurt himself and
others if his diet is not right)
Trying to learn...
Rose
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We're just heading down the allergy/sensitivity road as well because my 3 yo has similar kinds of rages. We're doing the Feingold, chocolate, dairy and soy (though there's some soy in the buttery spread that I have). After 3 days, I've noticed a tremendous difference. He's gone from 5-7 major meltdowns a day that can last anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes to maybe one or two blips that last a minute or two and can be defused using some of the typical techniques--snuggling, expressing his feelings, humor. This to me is a *major* improvement in our days. We can spend time as a family and play games instead of my girls (dd6 and dd5) having to play by themselves while I try to walk on eggshells and deal with my Sam.
I'm still learning to modify our meals, but yesterday we made oatmeal cookies and waffles with maples syrup. I'm going to pick up some peanut butter so I can make some peanut butter cookies. With the Feingold, it's not the sugar but the additives, and I know corn syrup can be really bad while all-natural cane sugar can be fine. There are lots of substitutions I can make, and much of it is just a matter of cooking from scratch. I've been baking bread every day in the bread machine, things like that. It's not really that big a deal, and the kids get to bake more frequently than we used to. I'm new to this, so I'm not really sure what you mean when you say that your kids can't have sugar or beef. Even the Feingold diet says sugar itself is rarely the cause of hyperactivity--have you checked this out? I'm sure you've done your research, but if you gave me more details, I might be able to offer some more suggestions.
I'm really trying to look at it in terms of substitution and availability. The key is to allow the kids to make as many of their own choices as they can and to offer as large a range of choices as possible so that they can really exercise that choice. If Sam can't have Oreos or Fruitloops, yeah that's a tough break, but he can have lots of other treats. I'm trying to figure out what kinds of treats I *can* have available for him rather than dwelling on all the stuff that we can't have. For instance, he can't have Lays potato chips, but he can have Kettle potato chips, so those are down in the snack cart. I'm going to be making as many cookies as I can. They may not be the same cookies that are in all the fancy packaging at the store, but they're still good and still a treat. If your kids can't have sugar or one kind of sugar, can they have honey or all-natural maple syrup as a sweetener? See what I'm saying? The treats may not be the same in my house as in someone else's, but the point is that there are treats available for them to freely choose over other things like carrots or fruit.
--danielle
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others if his diet is not right)
Trying to learn...
Rose
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We're just heading down the allergy/sensitivity road as well because my 3 yo has similar kinds of rages. We're doing the Feingold, chocolate, dairy and soy (though there's some soy in the buttery spread that I have). After 3 days, I've noticed a tremendous difference. He's gone from 5-7 major meltdowns a day that can last anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes to maybe one or two blips that last a minute or two and can be defused using some of the typical techniques--snuggling, expressing his feelings, humor. This to me is a *major* improvement in our days. We can spend time as a family and play games instead of my girls (dd6 and dd5) having to play by themselves while I try to walk on eggshells and deal with my Sam.
I'm still learning to modify our meals, but yesterday we made oatmeal cookies and waffles with maples syrup. I'm going to pick up some peanut butter so I can make some peanut butter cookies. With the Feingold, it's not the sugar but the additives, and I know corn syrup can be really bad while all-natural cane sugar can be fine. There are lots of substitutions I can make, and much of it is just a matter of cooking from scratch. I've been baking bread every day in the bread machine, things like that. It's not really that big a deal, and the kids get to bake more frequently than we used to. I'm new to this, so I'm not really sure what you mean when you say that your kids can't have sugar or beef. Even the Feingold diet says sugar itself is rarely the cause of hyperactivity--have you checked this out? I'm sure you've done your research, but if you gave me more details, I might be able to offer some more suggestions.
I'm really trying to look at it in terms of substitution and availability. The key is to allow the kids to make as many of their own choices as they can and to offer as large a range of choices as possible so that they can really exercise that choice. If Sam can't have Oreos or Fruitloops, yeah that's a tough break, but he can have lots of other treats. I'm trying to figure out what kinds of treats I *can* have available for him rather than dwelling on all the stuff that we can't have. For instance, he can't have Lays potato chips, but he can have Kettle potato chips, so those are down in the snack cart. I'm going to be making as many cookies as I can. They may not be the same cookies that are in all the fancy packaging at the store, but they're still good and still a treat. If your kids can't have sugar or one kind of sugar, can they have honey or all-natural maple syrup as a sweetener? See what I'm saying? The treats may not be the same in my house as in someone else's, but the point is that there are treats available for them to freely choose over other things like carrots or fruit.
--danielle
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