thank you, and can anyone help with this one?
kazzoozz
Thank you to everyone who gave suggestions and thoughts in response
to my question about helping my son learn to read. They were all
very much appreciated!
I've been thinking all day on my husband's job situation (feeling
frustrated about it as usual) and wondered if any of you, being
outside-the-box thinkers, might be able to offer any ideas. I feel
so helpless about the whole thing. Dh was laid off in August of '01
and finally hired again in June of this year. Those almost-two-years
of unemployment brought major stress (compounded by the birth of my
second son)into our home, as well as putting us FAR into debt. We've
barely begun digging ourselves out of that hole and have found out
now this job is in danger of being lost. If he loses this one I
don't know where we'll turn.
One of my frustrations is I feel dh is not working from his
strengths; that his talents are in other areas. He tries to fit into
the corporate world (he's an IT architect) but it's like bashing a
square peg into a round hole. Something just doesn't fit. And his
bosses see it. He works hard, but just can't reach the bar. The
thing is, at 38 years old, how do you switch into another career path
without starting at square one? When he was out of work we kept
hearing, "Well, why doesn't he get out of IT [the bottom fell out of
IT especially]" like it should be the easiest thing in the world, yet
we found, as well as did others we knew out of work, that unless you
had concrete experience in your field, you were out of contention.
It didn't matter if you had the education or the ability; without
experience to back it up, no one would take a chance on you. Dh
would be excellent in some sort of graphics work, even one of the
computer-generated special effects shops (that would be like going to
play every day instead of work), but, how do we get there? I found
one book that profiled people who had made about-face career changes
and by the end of the book had found out their secret in pulling it
off -- all of them had bank accounts large enough to support them
while they made the change. We don't have that.
So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
real assets, major debt, and two children to support.
Thank you for reading this far if you have, and for putting up with a
non-unschooling question, and a rambling one at that -- I'm just
stumped and need some sort of workable ideas.
to my question about helping my son learn to read. They were all
very much appreciated!
I've been thinking all day on my husband's job situation (feeling
frustrated about it as usual) and wondered if any of you, being
outside-the-box thinkers, might be able to offer any ideas. I feel
so helpless about the whole thing. Dh was laid off in August of '01
and finally hired again in June of this year. Those almost-two-years
of unemployment brought major stress (compounded by the birth of my
second son)into our home, as well as putting us FAR into debt. We've
barely begun digging ourselves out of that hole and have found out
now this job is in danger of being lost. If he loses this one I
don't know where we'll turn.
One of my frustrations is I feel dh is not working from his
strengths; that his talents are in other areas. He tries to fit into
the corporate world (he's an IT architect) but it's like bashing a
square peg into a round hole. Something just doesn't fit. And his
bosses see it. He works hard, but just can't reach the bar. The
thing is, at 38 years old, how do you switch into another career path
without starting at square one? When he was out of work we kept
hearing, "Well, why doesn't he get out of IT [the bottom fell out of
IT especially]" like it should be the easiest thing in the world, yet
we found, as well as did others we knew out of work, that unless you
had concrete experience in your field, you were out of contention.
It didn't matter if you had the education or the ability; without
experience to back it up, no one would take a chance on you. Dh
would be excellent in some sort of graphics work, even one of the
computer-generated special effects shops (that would be like going to
play every day instead of work), but, how do we get there? I found
one book that profiled people who had made about-face career changes
and by the end of the book had found out their secret in pulling it
off -- all of them had bank accounts large enough to support them
while they made the change. We don't have that.
So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
real assets, major debt, and two children to support.
Thank you for reading this far if you have, and for putting up with a
non-unschooling question, and a rambling one at that -- I'm just
stumped and need some sort of workable ideas.
Lyle W.
kazzoozz wrote: (pertaining to her dh's job and financial situation)
~~So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
real assets, major debt, and two children to support.~~
Ok, since I don't know any specifics about your personal situation, this is just general 'get back on your feet' ideas.
If you're way in debt, the first thing I would do is to downsize absolutely everything possible. Less expensive housing, older cars, sell everything you don't absolutely need. (This is all temporary, and can all be upgraded later.) Talk to your debtors, in person if possible, and tell them what's going on. A lot of the time they will cut, if not eliminate the interest owed, and may let you make tiny, 'good faith' payments until things get better. Some will even forgive large chunks of the debt. Maybe talk to a credit counselor, they can sometimes help. Bankruptcy (not a great option, but if there's no other way, there's no other way. There IS life after bankruptcy, I am living proof.) Is there anything you can do from home to help with the finances? Crafts, sewing, computer work, selling on ebay, writing...anything you're skilled at is sellable.
~~The
thing is, at 38 years old, how do you switch into another career path
without starting at square one?~~
Work for yourself. Start a business. Whatever he and you are good at, check into getting a grant for small businesses (which sometimes will cover living expenses while your business is getting off the ground), do some research in your area, demographics, and figure out what the area NEEDS, or even better than that, what your area people would WANT. You'd still be starting out at square one with your own business, but it would be YOUR square.
~~Dh
would be excellent in some sort of graphics work, even one of the
computer-generated special effects shops (that would be like going to
play every day instead of work), but, how do we get there?~~
I don't know exactly, but I would start by talking to the people that are doing it now. Go to the shops, get to know the people, use friends of friends to get your foot in the door. Do some research to find out how to get there. For something like graphics work, I'll bet that creativity and persistence speak louder than education and experience. I'm in the graphics business, and I know a few people that have years of experience, but very little talent. They keep their jobs by being diligent and reliable, and someone else comes up with the creativity.
I have a friend that was stuck in a dead end job, hated it with a passion, and finally turned his back and walked away. He was fairly good on a computer, fairly creative, and now has his own vinyl graphics shop. He makes a ton of money creating vinyl decals you see on the sides of trucks and in store windows.
I have another friend that started a trophy business and is doing VERY well. All he does is assemble the trophy parts, engraves the little tags, and collects the money. He works out of his garage, so he has very little overhead. His customers come to him, he doesn't even advertise except for word of mouth, business cards, and a little tag with his company name on the bottom of every trophy he makes.
Daycare can be a money maker, if you have the patience for it, lol. I'm not a big fan of daycare, but it's definitely something that is in need in most areas.
Maybe someone will come up with something better. There is always a way.
:)
Lyle
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~~So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
real assets, major debt, and two children to support.~~
Ok, since I don't know any specifics about your personal situation, this is just general 'get back on your feet' ideas.
If you're way in debt, the first thing I would do is to downsize absolutely everything possible. Less expensive housing, older cars, sell everything you don't absolutely need. (This is all temporary, and can all be upgraded later.) Talk to your debtors, in person if possible, and tell them what's going on. A lot of the time they will cut, if not eliminate the interest owed, and may let you make tiny, 'good faith' payments until things get better. Some will even forgive large chunks of the debt. Maybe talk to a credit counselor, they can sometimes help. Bankruptcy (not a great option, but if there's no other way, there's no other way. There IS life after bankruptcy, I am living proof.) Is there anything you can do from home to help with the finances? Crafts, sewing, computer work, selling on ebay, writing...anything you're skilled at is sellable.
~~The
thing is, at 38 years old, how do you switch into another career path
without starting at square one?~~
Work for yourself. Start a business. Whatever he and you are good at, check into getting a grant for small businesses (which sometimes will cover living expenses while your business is getting off the ground), do some research in your area, demographics, and figure out what the area NEEDS, or even better than that, what your area people would WANT. You'd still be starting out at square one with your own business, but it would be YOUR square.
~~Dh
would be excellent in some sort of graphics work, even one of the
computer-generated special effects shops (that would be like going to
play every day instead of work), but, how do we get there?~~
I don't know exactly, but I would start by talking to the people that are doing it now. Go to the shops, get to know the people, use friends of friends to get your foot in the door. Do some research to find out how to get there. For something like graphics work, I'll bet that creativity and persistence speak louder than education and experience. I'm in the graphics business, and I know a few people that have years of experience, but very little talent. They keep their jobs by being diligent and reliable, and someone else comes up with the creativity.
I have a friend that was stuck in a dead end job, hated it with a passion, and finally turned his back and walked away. He was fairly good on a computer, fairly creative, and now has his own vinyl graphics shop. He makes a ton of money creating vinyl decals you see on the sides of trucks and in store windows.
I have another friend that started a trophy business and is doing VERY well. All he does is assemble the trophy parts, engraves the little tags, and collects the money. He works out of his garage, so he has very little overhead. His customers come to him, he doesn't even advertise except for word of mouth, business cards, and a little tag with his company name on the bottom of every trophy he makes.
Daycare can be a money maker, if you have the patience for it, lol. I'm not a big fan of daycare, but it's definitely something that is in need in most areas.
Maybe someone will come up with something better. There is always a way.
:)
Lyle
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What does your dh want to do? Does he want to get out of corporate life?
Or is this something you would like him to do?
Julie S.
Or is this something you would like him to do?
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kazzoozz" <hksarmina@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:12 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] thank you, and can anyone help with this
one?
> Thank you to everyone who gave suggestions and thoughts in response
> to my question about helping my son learn to read. They were all
> very much appreciated!
>
> I've been thinking all day on my husband's job situation (feeling
> frustrated about it as usual) and wondered if any of you, being
> outside-the-box thinkers, might be able to offer any ideas. I feel
> so helpless about the whole thing. Dh was laid off in August of '01
> and finally hired again in June of this year. Those almost-two-years
> of unemployment brought major stress (compounded by the birth of my
> second son)into our home, as well as putting us FAR into debt. We've
> barely begun digging ourselves out of that hole and have found out
> now this job is in danger of being lost. If he loses this one I
> don't know where we'll turn.
>
> One of my frustrations is I feel dh is not working from his
> strengths; that his talents are in other areas. He tries to fit into
> the corporate world (he's an IT architect) but it's like bashing a
> square peg into a round hole. Something just doesn't fit. And his
> bosses see it. He works hard, but just can't reach the bar. The
> thing is, at 38 years old, how do you switch into another career path
> without starting at square one? When he was out of work we kept
> hearing, "Well, why doesn't he get out of IT [the bottom fell out of
> IT especially]" like it should be the easiest thing in the world, yet
> we found, as well as did others we knew out of work, that unless you
> had concrete experience in your field, you were out of contention.
> It didn't matter if you had the education or the ability; without
> experience to back it up, no one would take a chance on you. Dh
> would be excellent in some sort of graphics work, even one of the
> computer-generated special effects shops (that would be like going to
> play every day instead of work), but, how do we get there? I found
> one book that profiled people who had made about-face career changes
> and by the end of the book had found out their secret in pulling it
> off -- all of them had bank accounts large enough to support them
> while they made the change. We don't have that.
>
> So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
> out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
> we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
> real assets, major debt, and two children to support.
>
> Thank you for reading this far if you have, and for putting up with a
> non-unschooling question, and a rambling one at that -- I'm just
> stumped and need some sort of workable ideas.
>
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In a message dated 12/30/03 4:58:37 AM, hksarmina@... writes:
<< So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
out of it into something else? >>
Sometimes a different corporation is the easiest change. If he goes to
another place in town and tells them he feels stuck, and wants a different
environment, they might have just the thing for him. Still computer stuff, but
different people, different projects. And if that still doesn't do it, he'll know
he wants to do something REALLY different.
Maybe?
Sandra
<< So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
out of it into something else? >>
Sometimes a different corporation is the easiest change. If he goes to
another place in town and tells them he feels stuck, and wants a different
environment, they might have just the thing for him. Still computer stuff, but
different people, different projects. And if that still doesn't do it, he'll know
he wants to do something REALLY different.
Maybe?
Sandra
Danielle E. Conger
At 08:12 AM 12/30/2003 +0000, kazzoozz wrote:
for yourself and has some pretty good resource lists at the back of the book.
--danielle
>So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you getCheck out Daniel Pink's book _Free Agent Nation_-- it's all about working
>out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
>we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
>real assets, major debt, and two children to support.
for yourself and has some pretty good resource lists at the back of the book.
--danielle
Tia Leschke
>DhWould it be at all possible for him to start freelancing on the side? He
>would be excellent in some sort of graphics work, even one of the
>computer-generated special effects shops (that would be like going to
>play every day instead of work), but, how do we get there? I found
>one book that profiled people who had made about-face career changes
>and by the end of the book had found out their secret in pulling it
>off -- all of them had bank accounts large enough to support them
>while they made the change. We don't have that.
>
>So, with 20 years experience in the corporate world, how do you get
>out of it into something else? We are so sick of corporate America
>we could scream, but we don't know how to escape, with no savings, no
>real assets, major debt, and two children to support.
could gradually build up a business, maybe with your help in some areas,
that would carry at least part of your financial load if he got laid off.
At that point he could put full time into it. He might be able to get it
going to the point of quitting before being laid off. Just a thought. I
don't know hard freelancing is in that area or how much time he has
available to put into it. Or the contacts he made while working on the
business might help him get into paid employment in that field.
Tia