Unschooling & Jobs
Heather Woodward
I had to post this comment - I thought it was great...
SusieQ said...
I hire people. I read the resumes; I check the references. How would I react to the word "unschooling" on a resume? That applicant would be the first one sitting across from me for an interview, long before those with a public school diploma, GED, or private school diploma.
Grown-up unschoolers are curious, hard working, and don't need to be babysat. They are willing to jump into any task or new learning experience without trepidition. They ask questions when needed. They look for answers to problems instead of waiting for others to guide them. Who wouldn't want a worker like this? And no, I don't hire people to work for a fast food restaurant; I hire people to work for a company that has a world-wide customer base and is dependant upon technology, engineering, and knowledge of global markets.
I have also had the opportunity to meet many young people with GEDs and public school diplomas in an adult literacy program. They couldn't get jobs because they couldn't read well enough to fill out the applications.
Give me an unschooler any day.
http://carefulthought.blogspot.com/2006/03/radical-dumbing-down-unschooling-binge.html
PS - the blog noted is blood pressure raising ;-) however I did recognize some names from this list with great response posts ;-)
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SusieQ said...
I hire people. I read the resumes; I check the references. How would I react to the word "unschooling" on a resume? That applicant would be the first one sitting across from me for an interview, long before those with a public school diploma, GED, or private school diploma.
Grown-up unschoolers are curious, hard working, and don't need to be babysat. They are willing to jump into any task or new learning experience without trepidition. They ask questions when needed. They look for answers to problems instead of waiting for others to guide them. Who wouldn't want a worker like this? And no, I don't hire people to work for a fast food restaurant; I hire people to work for a company that has a world-wide customer base and is dependant upon technology, engineering, and knowledge of global markets.
I have also had the opportunity to meet many young people with GEDs and public school diplomas in an adult literacy program. They couldn't get jobs because they couldn't read well enough to fill out the applications.
Give me an unschooler any day.
http://carefulthought.blogspot.com/2006/03/radical-dumbing-down-unschooling-binge.html
PS - the blog noted is blood pressure raising ;-) however I did recognize some names from this list with great response posts ;-)
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Robyn Coburn
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http://carefulthought.blogspot.com/2006/03/radical-dumbing-down-unschooling-
binge.html
PS - the blog noted is blood pressure raising ;-) however I did recognize
some names from this list with great response posts ;-) >>>>
Crikey, that Carrie person is bit peeved isn't she?
It's pretty much impossible to sensibly answer someone who seems as
irrational as she does in her first comment. The blog poster is just
clueless, but she seems to be nuts.
Robyn L. Coburn
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http://carefulthought.blogspot.com/2006/03/radical-dumbing-down-unschooling-
binge.html
PS - the blog noted is blood pressure raising ;-) however I did recognize
some names from this list with great response posts ;-) >>>>
Crikey, that Carrie person is bit peeved isn't she?
It's pretty much impossible to sensibly answer someone who seems as
irrational as she does in her first comment. The blog poster is just
clueless, but she seems to be nuts.
Robyn L. Coburn
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Sandra Dodd
On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Robyn Coburn wrote:
defensive about lots of things. It's not healthy for her. It's not
healthy for others to read. She doesn't seem to have peace or joy
and she doesn't want anyone else to have any either.
Afterword to the following. The fun details are for
this list, not for a "serious blog."
I left a post that might or might not go through. I should've cut it
to show here, but basically I told about Kirby being offered a job
when he turned 14 and Marty being offered a job when he was 15. (I
didn't say he had been offered a job too where Kirby worked, but he
didn't want to work with Kirby, which was a decent decision to make;
Kirby wouldn't have been as happy.)
Each is on his second job now, having applied for jobs at job-change
time. Well... Kirby applied for two and turned one down; both said
yes. One, at a video gaming shop said Yes PLEASE! Now! but he said
no. I was disappointed and said so. I said we had prepared him his
whole LIFE to work in a video gaming store, and he wasn't fulfilling
his potential. But no, he didn't care what his parents thought he
should do. He went to work at a pizza place that required a uniform
and a haircut, rather than at the cool place where his hair could've
been long and he could've continued to wear gaming shirts as he had
for years.
Marty has twice been chatted up by the deli manager at the big
grocery store where he works. The first time she commented on how
cheerful and happy he always seemed to be. The next time it was
about how fast and hard he worked. He said last week she asked him
how old he was. He said 17 and her face fell. She asked when he
would be 18. That's the minimum hire age for her department. But
Marty wants to go into the police academy when he's 21 (I didn't tell
that at the anti-unschooling discussion) and is thinking of going to
college first. That's not about getting a job, though. That's about
Marty. <g> And unschoolers just think the stories of their lives are
all about THEM. Heee HEEEEE.
Sandra
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> It's pretty much impossible to sensibly answer someone who seems asI went to her blog and she's very conservative and angry and
> irrational as she does in her first comment. The blog poster is just
> clueless, but she seems to be nuts.
defensive about lots of things. It's not healthy for her. It's not
healthy for others to read. She doesn't seem to have peace or joy
and she doesn't want anyone else to have any either.
Afterword to the following. The fun details are for
this list, not for a "serious blog."
I left a post that might or might not go through. I should've cut it
to show here, but basically I told about Kirby being offered a job
when he turned 14 and Marty being offered a job when he was 15. (I
didn't say he had been offered a job too where Kirby worked, but he
didn't want to work with Kirby, which was a decent decision to make;
Kirby wouldn't have been as happy.)
Each is on his second job now, having applied for jobs at job-change
time. Well... Kirby applied for two and turned one down; both said
yes. One, at a video gaming shop said Yes PLEASE! Now! but he said
no. I was disappointed and said so. I said we had prepared him his
whole LIFE to work in a video gaming store, and he wasn't fulfilling
his potential. But no, he didn't care what his parents thought he
should do. He went to work at a pizza place that required a uniform
and a haircut, rather than at the cool place where his hair could've
been long and he could've continued to wear gaming shirts as he had
for years.
Marty has twice been chatted up by the deli manager at the big
grocery store where he works. The first time she commented on how
cheerful and happy he always seemed to be. The next time it was
about how fast and hard he worked. He said last week she asked him
how old he was. He said 17 and her face fell. She asked when he
would be 18. That's the minimum hire age for her department. But
Marty wants to go into the police academy when he's 21 (I didn't tell
that at the anti-unschooling discussion) and is thinking of going to
college first. That's not about getting a job, though. That's about
Marty. <g> And unschoolers just think the stories of their lives are
all about THEM. Heee HEEEEE.
Sandra
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Karri Lewis
Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
<<<<<I went to her blog and she's very conservative and angry and
defensive about lots of things. It's not healthy for her. It's not
healthy for others to read. She doesn't seem to have peace or joy
and she doesn't want anyone else to have any either.>>>>
This sounds like my mother who has Borderline Personality Disorder (bpd). She could be mentally ill and if she is, there probably no use in talking to her. Ignoring may be the best solution.
-Karri
Karri, Lindsay (4/16/02) and Camden (6/8/04)
To trust children we must first learn to trust ourselves...and most of us were taught as children that we could not be trusted. --John Holt
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<<<<<I went to her blog and she's very conservative and angry and
defensive about lots of things. It's not healthy for her. It's not
healthy for others to read. She doesn't seem to have peace or joy
and she doesn't want anyone else to have any either.>>>>
This sounds like my mother who has Borderline Personality Disorder (bpd). She could be mentally ill and if she is, there probably no use in talking to her. Ignoring may be the best solution.
-Karri
Karri, Lindsay (4/16/02) and Camden (6/8/04)
To trust children we must first learn to trust ourselves...and most of us were taught as children that we could not be trusted. --John Holt
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wifetovegman2002
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
meaningless -- people who suffer -- tend to resent those who seem to
suffer less than they do, and will make them suffer if they can.
People who feel themselves in chains, with no hope of ever getting
them off, want to put chains on everyone else." -- John Holt, Teach
Your Own, Introduction.
~Susan M in VA
wifetovegman
wrote:
>"In a nutshell, people whose lives are hard, boring, painful,
>
>
> I went to her blog and she's very conservative and angry and
> defensive about lots of things. It's not healthy for her. It's not
> healthy for others to read. She doesn't seem to have peace or joy
> and she doesn't want anyone else to have any either.
meaningless -- people who suffer -- tend to resent those who seem to
suffer less than they do, and will make them suffer if they can.
People who feel themselves in chains, with no hope of ever getting
them off, want to put chains on everyone else." -- John Holt, Teach
Your Own, Introduction.
~Susan M in VA
wifetovegman
Sandra Dodd
On Mar 19, 2006, at 10:33 AM, wifetovegman2002 wrote:
I've added it to the John Holt page
http://sandradodd.com/johnholt
If anyone else has additions for that collection, please write to me
Sandra@...
Thanks!
Sandra
> "In a nutshell, people whose lives are hard, boring, painful,Thanks for bringing that at such a perfect moment, Susan.
> meaningless -- people who suffer -- tend to resent those who seem to
> suffer less than they do, and will make them suffer if they can.
> People who feel themselves in chains, with no hope of ever getting
> them off, want to put chains on everyone else." -- John Holt, Teach
> Your Own, Introduction.
I've added it to the John Holt page
http://sandradodd.com/johnholt
If anyone else has additions for that collection, please write to me
Sandra@...
Thanks!
Sandra