School AKA Production Line
katherand2003
After reading John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American
Education, where Gatto talks about how child education became a thing
of government and business interests and passed into law mid-1800's
through 1920's in all the major mass manufacturer and coal production
countries, I was struck. Let's just say I'm overwhelmed by what Gatto
writes about, people as "products" of schooling.
I subscribe to a book excerpt website and here's an excerpt from a
poet and critic of the time, which I thought interesting for
unschoolers who read Gatto. The work that is Aristotle's life has
definitely been used extensively by school systems, and according to
Gatto, not for purposes of making intelligence grow.
From Delanceyplace.com:
In today's excerpt, T.S. Eliot comments on Aristotle. Eliot, one
of the towering poets and literary critics of the 20th century, is
discussing the nature of Aristotle's genius in his article 'The
Perfect Critic'. The importance of the statement here is his
assertion that great analysis is not the outcome of some repeatable
process or method, but instead comes from intelligence alone:
"Aristotle is a person who has suffered from the adherence of
persons who must be regarded less as his disciples than as his
sectaries. One must be firmly distrustful of accepting Aristotle in a
canonical spirit; this is to lose the whole living force of him. He
was primarily a man of not only remarkable but universal intelligence...
...in his short and broken treatise he provides an eternal
example-- not of laws, or even of method, for there is no method
except to be very intelligent, but of intelligence itself swiftly
operating the analysis of sensation to the point of principle and
definition."
T.S. Eliot, The Sacred Wood, University, 1920, pp. 10-1
Education, where Gatto talks about how child education became a thing
of government and business interests and passed into law mid-1800's
through 1920's in all the major mass manufacturer and coal production
countries, I was struck. Let's just say I'm overwhelmed by what Gatto
writes about, people as "products" of schooling.
I subscribe to a book excerpt website and here's an excerpt from a
poet and critic of the time, which I thought interesting for
unschoolers who read Gatto. The work that is Aristotle's life has
definitely been used extensively by school systems, and according to
Gatto, not for purposes of making intelligence grow.
From Delanceyplace.com:
In today's excerpt, T.S. Eliot comments on Aristotle. Eliot, one
of the towering poets and literary critics of the 20th century, is
discussing the nature of Aristotle's genius in his article 'The
Perfect Critic'. The importance of the statement here is his
assertion that great analysis is not the outcome of some repeatable
process or method, but instead comes from intelligence alone:
"Aristotle is a person who has suffered from the adherence of
persons who must be regarded less as his disciples than as his
sectaries. One must be firmly distrustful of accepting Aristotle in a
canonical spirit; this is to lose the whole living force of him. He
was primarily a man of not only remarkable but universal intelligence...
...in his short and broken treatise he provides an eternal
example-- not of laws, or even of method, for there is no method
except to be very intelligent, but of intelligence itself swiftly
operating the analysis of sensation to the point of principle and
definition."
T.S. Eliot, The Sacred Wood, University, 1920, pp. 10-1
Sandra Dodd
On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:18 PM, katherand2003 wrote:
lot of the country for which his "facts" aren't true.
That book frustrates me. Had he called it the history of education
in urban New England I wouldn't have cared.
-=-The importance of the statement here is his
assertion that great analysis is not the outcome of some repeatable
process or method, but instead comes from intelligence alone:-=-
That's cool.
Socrates is also used and abused by educators who twist the "Socratic
method" to justify their lame school-style Q&A.
About children as products of schools and about principles, here are
a couple of things by Joyce Fetteroll and Danielle Conger, respectively:
http://sandradodd.com/joyce/products
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Rules.html
Sandra
> After reading John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of AmericanHis book and point of view are very industrial-NE-U.S. and there is a
> Education, where Gatto talks about how child education became a thing
> of government and business interests and passed into law mid-1800's
> through 1920's in all the major mass manufacturer and coal production
> countries, I was struck
lot of the country for which his "facts" aren't true.
That book frustrates me. Had he called it the history of education
in urban New England I wouldn't have cared.
-=-The importance of the statement here is his
assertion that great analysis is not the outcome of some repeatable
process or method, but instead comes from intelligence alone:-=-
That's cool.
Socrates is also used and abused by educators who twist the "Socratic
method" to justify their lame school-style Q&A.
About children as products of schools and about principles, here are
a couple of things by Joyce Fetteroll and Danielle Conger, respectively:
http://sandradodd.com/joyce/products
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Rules.html
Sandra
katherand2003
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
on things... Jesus, Confucius, Gandhi, Mohamed, Buddha, Galileo, etc
etc etc.
danielleconger one).
Kathe
wrote:
>I have felt the same way about many great people who shared their take
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:18 PM, katherand2003 quoted Delancey.com as saying:
>
> -=-The importance of the statement here is his
> assertion that great analysis is not the outcome of some repeatable
> process or method, but instead comes from intelligence alone:-=-
>
> That's cool.
> Socrates is also used and abused by educators who twist the "Socratic
> method" to justify their lame school-style Q&A.
on things... Jesus, Confucius, Gandhi, Mohamed, Buddha, Galileo, etc
etc etc.
>Thanks. I'll go look those up again or for the first time (the
> About children as products of schools and about principles, here are
> a couple of things by Joyce Fetteroll and Danielle Conger, respectively:
> http://sandradodd.com/joyce/products
> http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Rules.html
danielleconger one).
Kathe