Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] mindfulness
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In a message dated 1/26/2006 1:21:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
difficulty stepping into the light... I don't know if it would help me to
delve into "why" or if I should keep plugging away and struggling and put the
time I would have used "delving" into "working at it." Controversial? Hmmm... I
don't see it that way, but it does help clear the vision just a wee bit more.
(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)
Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
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Sandra@... writes:
> There's something else possible, though, where the methods andIt seems *such* a fine line between those two... and yet, I am having extreme
> freedoms and respect can just become part of our organic selves, so
> that we aren't just acting respectfully of our children, but *being*
> respectful.
>
difficulty stepping into the light... I don't know if it would help me to
delve into "why" or if I should keep plugging away and struggling and put the
time I would have used "delving" into "working at it." Controversial? Hmmm... I
don't see it that way, but it does help clear the vision just a wee bit more.
(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)
Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sanguinegirl83@...
(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)
-=-=-
Lack of trust in your children and acceptance of how it really is?
Quit delving so hard and just BE---let it flow over you....
-=-=-=
Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
-=-=-=-
Why? Why do you think you feel that way? That should make you feel good and giving and right. 'Cause it makes sense---why NOT???
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org
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From: Sanguinegirl83@...
(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)
-=-=-
Lack of trust in your children and acceptance of how it really is?
Quit delving so hard and just BE---let it flow over you....
-=-=-=
Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
-=-=-=-
Why? Why do you think you feel that way? That should make you feel good and giving and right. 'Cause it makes sense---why NOT???
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org
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Laura Endres
Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
I once expressed a similar sentiment to a friend, who wisely pointed out that being a hypocrite means saying one thing while doing another; in essence, lying. Or holding yourself to a different standard from your expectations of them. Instead, what I was experiencing, as are you, is not that - it's change. Growth. Learning from mistakes. Or working on your 'stuff' and working at appropriate change for the better.
Warmly,
Laura, peeking out after 2.5 weeks of reading as a newbie
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-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
I once expressed a similar sentiment to a friend, who wisely pointed out that being a hypocrite means saying one thing while doing another; in essence, lying. Or holding yourself to a different standard from your expectations of them. Instead, what I was experiencing, as are you, is not that - it's change. Growth. Learning from mistakes. Or working on your 'stuff' and working at appropriate change for the better.
Warmly,
Laura, peeking out after 2.5 weeks of reading as a newbie
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Ren Allen
"(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)"
That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
you.
Being mindful is understanding that everything is perfect in this very
moment and just living in this moment exactly as it is. Nothing to
change, no place to get to, nothing need be different. Just sink into
the moment.
Here's something Osho wrote:
" There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,
within you."
And............
"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"
So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
you.
Being mindful is understanding that everything is perfect in this very
moment and just living in this moment exactly as it is. Nothing to
change, no place to get to, nothing need be different. Just sink into
the moment.
Here's something Osho wrote:
" There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,
within you."
And............
"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"
So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Sandra Dodd
On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:45 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:
Why don't you put your kids in school?
If there's no "why," there's not a reason to do ANYthing.
But many people live with a bad set of "why":
**Because my mom will get mad if I don't. (and I'm talking grown
women here, mothers themselves)
**What will the neighbors think?
**I'm afraid of the principal. (again... grown adults who haven't
been enrolled in a school for years)
If you've thought about the "why" to have your kids home, it's worth
considering "why" for every other thing.
WHY do you make them go to bed at 8:00?
If you don't, WHY not?
WHY do you let them have choices? What's the purpose and the benefit
to doing that?
-=-or if I should keep plugging away and struggling and put the
time I would have used "delving" into "working at it."-=-
DELVE! (great line from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.)
Delving is working at it.
Working at it without delving can prolong confusion.
You don't have to stop working at it to sit and think about it. You
can think about it while you're doing it.
-=--Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a
".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT,
recently)-=-
If you're going to feel like a hypocrite anyway, delve into that.
"Hypo" and "hippo" are both from Greek. One means horse.
Hippopotamus means "river horse." Hippodrome was a place for horse
races and chariot races in the good old days (of Greece and Rome).
The "hypocrite" word has to do with acting, and not liking the way
one's acting, or feeling that one is not acting in accordance with
one's beliefs.
If you don't care a bit about words, ignore all memory of what you
just read.
If you care even a little, though, there's an example of how you can
delve into connections and history and beliefs and spelling and
geography and your own feelings with just a quick visit to an online
dictionary. <g>
And as to feeling hypocritical about reversals...
Maybe the problem is just that you say "no" without thinking.
If FIRST you think and then you speak, you won't have to reverse
yourself so much.
Here's something wonderful Joyce wrote about saying yes:
http://sandradodd.com/joyce/yes
You can say "yes" even when it's "Yes, but not today."
Sandra
> don't know if it would help me to----------------------------------------------------------
> delve into "why"
Why don't you put your kids in school?
If there's no "why," there's not a reason to do ANYthing.
But many people live with a bad set of "why":
**Because my mom will get mad if I don't. (and I'm talking grown
women here, mothers themselves)
**What will the neighbors think?
**I'm afraid of the principal. (again... grown adults who haven't
been enrolled in a school for years)
If you've thought about the "why" to have your kids home, it's worth
considering "why" for every other thing.
WHY do you make them go to bed at 8:00?
If you don't, WHY not?
WHY do you let them have choices? What's the purpose and the benefit
to doing that?
-=-or if I should keep plugging away and struggling and put the
time I would have used "delving" into "working at it."-=-
DELVE! (great line from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.)
Delving is working at it.
Working at it without delving can prolong confusion.
You don't have to stop working at it to sit and think about it. You
can think about it while you're doing it.
-=--Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a
".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT,
recently)-=-
If you're going to feel like a hypocrite anyway, delve into that.
"Hypo" and "hippo" are both from Greek. One means horse.
Hippopotamus means "river horse." Hippodrome was a place for horse
races and chariot races in the good old days (of Greece and Rome).
The "hypocrite" word has to do with acting, and not liking the way
one's acting, or feeling that one is not acting in accordance with
one's beliefs.
If you don't care a bit about words, ignore all memory of what you
just read.
If you care even a little, though, there's an example of how you can
delve into connections and history and beliefs and spelling and
geography and your own feelings with just a quick visit to an online
dictionary. <g>
And as to feeling hypocritical about reversals...
Maybe the problem is just that you say "no" without thinking.
If FIRST you think and then you speak, you won't have to reverse
yourself so much.
Here's something wonderful Joyce wrote about saying yes:
http://sandradodd.com/joyce/yes
You can say "yes" even when it's "Yes, but not today."
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
On Jan 27, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Ren Allen wrote:
I don't want murderers and sexual deviants to be soothed by the idea
that everything is perfect in their moments.
I think mindfulness needs to involve having feelers out for other
people's needs and rights and boundaries.
If a mom feels that having a screaming crying fit would make her feel
better, and she had no regard for the fear and guilt it might induce
in her children, that's not mindfulness.
I see mindfulness as an active awareness. There is the potential for
better or worse in each moment, and if one mindfully chooses to move
toward "better," then there's some progress being made.
Too much acceptance of "whatever" is a step away from living mindfully.
-=-That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
you. -=-
It's not western type thinking to want to get to the better place
inside of you.
-=-Here's something Osho wrote:
-=-" There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,
within you."-=-
No need to hike around the world, maybe, but people have a lot of
things inside them they have suppressed and ignored and denied. We
can't be everything we can imagine. There's not time, for one thing.
<g> And some of the things we imagine in our frustrated moments
might get us imprisoned or executed. We can mindfully sort through
and do the good things we can imagine, mindful of the people around us.
-=-And............
-=-"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of
the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"-=-
That's really pretty, but there's some bullshit out there in the dust
and the river and under the leaves too, and it's best not to step in
it and track it all over the house. <g>
I think the Osho quotes are for advanced maintenance, not for those
who say "What on earth are you talking about!?"
When Kirby was a baby I bought a book called Chop Wood, Carry Water.
It was really inspiring, and reading it was like a mental massage.
Years later I went to read it again and found in the end notes of the
first chapter, I think, references to Growing Without Schooling and
John Holt. <g> I didn't notice the first time, because that wasn't
how I was scanning the world.
If people want to see peace, they need to scan for it. If they're
mindful only of things to be afraid of, or to object to, or to be
angry about, they'll see them in the thousands. If they're looking
for sweetness and peace, they can find that too.
Sandra
> Being mindful is understanding that everything is perfect in this veryObjection.
> moment and just living in this moment exactly as it is.
I don't want murderers and sexual deviants to be soothed by the idea
that everything is perfect in their moments.
I think mindfulness needs to involve having feelers out for other
people's needs and rights and boundaries.
If a mom feels that having a screaming crying fit would make her feel
better, and she had no regard for the fear and guilt it might induce
in her children, that's not mindfulness.
I see mindfulness as an active awareness. There is the potential for
better or worse in each moment, and if one mindfully chooses to move
toward "better," then there's some progress being made.
Too much acceptance of "whatever" is a step away from living mindfully.
-=-That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
you. -=-
It's not western type thinking to want to get to the better place
inside of you.
-=-Here's something Osho wrote:
-=-" There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,
within you."-=-
No need to hike around the world, maybe, but people have a lot of
things inside them they have suppressed and ignored and denied. We
can't be everything we can imagine. There's not time, for one thing.
<g> And some of the things we imagine in our frustrated moments
might get us imprisoned or executed. We can mindfully sort through
and do the good things we can imagine, mindful of the people around us.
-=-And............
-=-"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of
the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"-=-
That's really pretty, but there's some bullshit out there in the dust
and the river and under the leaves too, and it's best not to step in
it and track it all over the house. <g>
I think the Osho quotes are for advanced maintenance, not for those
who say "What on earth are you talking about!?"
When Kirby was a baby I bought a book called Chop Wood, Carry Water.
It was really inspiring, and reading it was like a mental massage.
Years later I went to read it again and found in the end notes of the
first chapter, I think, references to Growing Without Schooling and
John Holt. <g> I didn't notice the first time, because that wasn't
how I was scanning the world.
If people want to see peace, they need to scan for it. If they're
mindful only of things to be afraid of, or to object to, or to be
angry about, they'll see them in the thousands. If they're looking
for sweetness and peace, they can find that too.
Sandra
Deb
--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@c...> wrote:
<starsuncloud@c...> wrote:
>Or in the words of Master Yoda "Do... or do not. There is no try"
> "(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)"
>
>> That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
> acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there
>inside of
> you.
> Being mindful is understanding that everything is perfect in this
>very
> moment and just living in this moment exactly as it is. Nothing to
> change, no place to get to, nothing need be different. Just sink
>into
> the moment.
>
> Here's something Osho wrote:
>
> " There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,
> within you."
>
> And............
>
> "Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of
>the
> flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green
>leaves, it
> is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"
>
> So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
Sandra Dodd
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Deb wrote:
Consider also Herman's Hermits, on the importance of living in the
moment yet making choices:
THIS DOOR SWINGS BOTH WAYS
Words and Music by Estelle Levitt and Don Thomas
Everyone�s life is bittersweet
It's a door that opens wide
And no man can call himself complete
Till he's seen it from both sides
This door swings both ways
It's marked 'In' and 'Out'
Some days you'll want to cry
And some days you will shout
This door swings both ways
It goes back and forth
In comes a southern breeze
Or a cold wind from the north
This door swings both ways
Lets in joy and pain
In comes the morning sun
And then the evening rain
This door swings both ways
Lets in dark and light
Every day you make the choice
To let in wrong or right
When shadows fall
You must prepare yourself for sunshine
For every thing there is an end
And so my friend you must be brave
This door swings both ways
Which one will it be
Will you live in happiness
Or dwell in misery
This door swings both ways
Lets in earth and sky
Make the most of livin'
If you're not prepared to die
Make the most of livin'
If you're not prepared to die
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> Or in the words of Master Yoda "Do... or do not. There is no try"Good one.
Consider also Herman's Hermits, on the importance of living in the
moment yet making choices:
THIS DOOR SWINGS BOTH WAYS
Words and Music by Estelle Levitt and Don Thomas
Everyone�s life is bittersweet
It's a door that opens wide
And no man can call himself complete
Till he's seen it from both sides
This door swings both ways
It's marked 'In' and 'Out'
Some days you'll want to cry
And some days you will shout
This door swings both ways
It goes back and forth
In comes a southern breeze
Or a cold wind from the north
This door swings both ways
Lets in joy and pain
In comes the morning sun
And then the evening rain
This door swings both ways
Lets in dark and light
Every day you make the choice
To let in wrong or right
When shadows fall
You must prepare yourself for sunshine
For every thing there is an end
And so my friend you must be brave
This door swings both ways
Which one will it be
Will you live in happiness
Or dwell in misery
This door swings both ways
Lets in earth and sky
Make the most of livin'
If you're not prepared to die
Make the most of livin'
If you're not prepared to die
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Quoting Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>:
A lingering idea from "Conversations with God" -- the assertion that we humans
have it backwards, we want to "have" _______ so we can "do" ________, then
we'll suddenly "be" ______________.
I have surrounded myself with the "Be, Do, Have" slogan. With respect, it
really is: BE respectful, DO respectful actions and viola! you HAVE respect
(or patience or calm or whatever you're working to attain more of in your
life).
:) diana (who was reminded of this as I listened to book 3 again on my 7 hour
road trip to Bemidji (middle of nowhere!) to see the Traaseths)
> "(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)"-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
> acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
> you.
> (snip)
> So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
A lingering idea from "Conversations with God" -- the assertion that we humans
have it backwards, we want to "have" _______ so we can "do" ________, then
we'll suddenly "be" ______________.
I have surrounded myself with the "Be, Do, Have" slogan. With respect, it
really is: BE respectful, DO respectful actions and viola! you HAVE respect
(or patience or calm or whatever you're working to attain more of in your
life).
:) diana (who was reminded of this as I listened to book 3 again on my 7 hour
road trip to Bemidji (middle of nowhere!) to see the Traaseths)
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Ithink you can even reverse the "do" and "be". Sometimes we practice the unfamiliar until it becomes a part of who we are.
Kristen
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From: hahamommy@...
Quoting Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>:
A lingering idea from "Conversations with God" -- the assertion that we humans
have it backwards, we want to "have" _______ so we can "do" ________, then
we'll suddenly "be" ______________.
I have surrounded myself with the "Be, Do, Have" slogan. With respect, it
really is: BE respectful, DO respectful actions and viola! you HAVE respect
(or patience or calm or whatever you're working to attain more of in your
life).
:) diana (who was reminded of this as I listened to book 3 again on my 7 hour
road trip to Bemidji (middle of nowhere!) to see the Traaseths)
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From: hahamommy@...
Quoting Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>:
> "(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)"-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
> acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
> you.
> (snip)
> So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
A lingering idea from "Conversations with God" -- the assertion that we humans
have it backwards, we want to "have" _______ so we can "do" ________, then
we'll suddenly "be" ______________.
I have surrounded myself with the "Be, Do, Have" slogan. With respect, it
really is: BE respectful, DO respectful actions and viola! you HAVE respect
(or patience or calm or whatever you're working to attain more of in your
life).
:) diana (who was reminded of this as I listened to book 3 again on my 7 hour
road trip to Bemidji (middle of nowhere!) to see the Traaseths)
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On Jan 27, 2006, at 6:17 AM, Laura Endres wrote:
believing something else? Hypocrisy would be more like a liar
criticizing another's dishonesty.
Are you really shifting in and out of a new way of seeing things.
Sometimes you've "got it" and sometimes it slips away as you slip
back into old modes of thought?
The solution is to think more AND do more. Not a trade-off between
them, but they build on each other.
-pam
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>Really good point. Sang - are you really saying/doing one thing while
> I once expressed a similar sentiment to a friend, who wisely
> pointed out that being a hypocrite means saying one thing while
> doing another; in essence, lying. Or holding yourself to a
> different standard from your expectations of them. Instead, what I
> was experiencing, as are you, is not that - it's change. Growth.
> Learning from mistakes. Or working on your 'stuff' and working at
> appropriate change for the better.
>
> Warmly,
> Laura, peeking out after 2.5 weeks of reading as a newbie
believing something else? Hypocrisy would be more like a liar
criticizing another's dishonesty.
Are you really shifting in and out of a new way of seeing things.
Sometimes you've "got it" and sometimes it slips away as you slip
back into old modes of thought?
The solution is to think more AND do more. Not a trade-off between
them, but they build on each other.
-pam
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/2006 8:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
not trusting MYSELF. I think about whether I lack trust in my children, then I
think I do, then I second-guess myself and wonder if I'm just lying to
myself... Could very well be - the way my mother interacted with me caused huge
self-doubt, lack of confidence and self-loathing. I know I haven't "dealt" with
all those old issues, so maybe I need to look more in that direction and clear
up some of that "old trash" in my closet. Thanks for that questioning! I'll try
to "flow" more-I do tend to get uptight and worry about certain things (like
if I'm approaching things from a poor angle, using less-than-optimal wording,
etc.).
<<Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
-=-=-=-
Why? Why do you think you feel that way? That should make you feel good and
giving and right. 'Cause it makes sense---why NOT???>>
Because I feel I've been working at "getting it" for so long, I shouldn't
have said "No!" in the first place. I hear that, "Time is short" ringing in my
ears and *see* how fast its going by, and I want to get it right ASAP... It IS
moving forward... just so, so slowly... I see what you're saying... Maybe
that's another little thing I should print out and hang up in plain view of our
living space... those seem to help-when I remember to look at them ;~) Thanks!
Peace,
Sang
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
> <<Lack of trust in your children and acceptance of how it really is?Maybe... I'm not sure. Ooh. An idea just hit me-maybe part of the problem is
> Quit delving so hard and just BE---let it flow over you....>>
>
not trusting MYSELF. I think about whether I lack trust in my children, then I
think I do, then I second-guess myself and wonder if I'm just lying to
myself... Could very well be - the way my mother interacted with me caused huge
self-doubt, lack of confidence and self-loathing. I know I haven't "dealt" with
all those old issues, so maybe I need to look more in that direction and clear
up some of that "old trash" in my closet. Thanks for that questioning! I'll try
to "flow" more-I do tend to get uptight and worry about certain things (like
if I'm approaching things from a poor angle, using less-than-optimal wording,
etc.).
<<Sang
-Feeling like a hippocrite each time I reverse a "No!" to a ".......Well,
actually, I don't see why *not*......" (Which is happening a LOT, recently)
-=-=-=-
Why? Why do you think you feel that way? That should make you feel good and
giving and right. 'Cause it makes sense---why NOT???>>
Because I feel I've been working at "getting it" for so long, I shouldn't
have said "No!" in the first place. I hear that, "Time is short" ringing in my
ears and *see* how fast its going by, and I want to get it right ASAP... It IS
moving forward... just so, so slowly... I see what you're saying... Maybe
that's another little thing I should print out and hang up in plain view of our
living space... those seem to help-when I remember to look at them ;~) Thanks!
Peace,
Sang
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:44:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
buried pretty far down) if there is "no search"ing?
And............
"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"
So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Thank you-I'll work on that. No, I won't... I'll... keep it at the forefront
of my mind/thinking :~)
Peace,
Sang
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> " There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,Okay, that *sounds* good, but how do you find it (if it is within me, its
> within you."
>
buried pretty far down) if there is "no search"ing?
And............
"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"
So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Thank you-I'll work on that. No, I won't... I'll... keep it at the forefront
of my mind/thinking :~)
Peace,
Sang
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:50:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
I read this and thought, "*I* wrote that??" Aparently, I did not express
myself well. Appologies.
What I was wondering was if there was enough purpose to spend time figuring
out why I'm having difficulty getting to that "being respectful" vs. "acting
respectful". As someone who can get into a spiral of "if's", self-doubt and
doubts about my own truthfulness with myself, it *might* be either counter
productive or a waste of a *lot* of time that could be better spent just "getting
there". Not why should I bother doing it, just trying to expidite things.
<<You don't have to stop working at it to sit and think about it. You
can think about it while you're doing it.>>
Can I? (Not sarcasam-honest question) Maybe the why is what's keeping me from
doing it... Maybe the why would show me a different route/method I should be
taking to get there. I think I make things more difficult than they have to
be-especially when I don't understand something very well...
<<If you don't care a bit about words, ignore all memory of what you
just read.>>
:~) Ah, no, I care deeply about words-it may not seem like it when I'm deeply
emotionally involved in what I'm writing, though. I knew the Greek/river
horse connection, but not the "acting". Cool.
<<Maybe the problem is just that you say "no" without thinking.>>
Exactly!
<<If FIRST you think and then you speak, you won't have to reverse
yourself so much.>>
Yes, it was a problem when I was younger, and a lot of embarrassment helped
me work through that. This is probably hinged in Wyl wanting an answer "NOW"
and me feeling rushed, but more in "mother's voice" hanging around in my
subconcious. Another project I need to undertake, but again, not sure how deeply and
involved that project will be-and honestly, a lot of fear of going there. Not
to mention fear of the possible solutions I may have to undertake. None of
which is a valid (or any kind of) reason. I seem to get involved and caught up
in the middling details and end up far from where I was originally headed-HEY!
Focus-that's what that is, lack of focus!! Wow-this group is SO theraputic.
Now, I just have to figure out how I can keep myself from going off on tangents
and keep myself focused.
<<Here's something wonderful Joyce wrote about saying yes:
http://sandradodd.com/joyce/yes
You can say "yes" even when it's "Yes, but not today.">>
I will check that out-I have been heading in that direction and doing a lot
more of that, but its not often enough.
Thank you for the thought-inspiring questions and comments. It actually gave
me more energy and a positive perspective-a direction to head in.
Peace,
Sang
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Sandra@... writes:
> <<On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:45 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:If there's no "why," there's not a reason to do ANYthing.>>
>
> > don't know if it would help me to
> >delve into "why"
>
> Why don't you put your kids in school?
I read this and thought, "*I* wrote that??" Aparently, I did not express
myself well. Appologies.
What I was wondering was if there was enough purpose to spend time figuring
out why I'm having difficulty getting to that "being respectful" vs. "acting
respectful". As someone who can get into a spiral of "if's", self-doubt and
doubts about my own truthfulness with myself, it *might* be either counter
productive or a waste of a *lot* of time that could be better spent just "getting
there". Not why should I bother doing it, just trying to expidite things.
<<You don't have to stop working at it to sit and think about it. You
can think about it while you're doing it.>>
Can I? (Not sarcasam-honest question) Maybe the why is what's keeping me from
doing it... Maybe the why would show me a different route/method I should be
taking to get there. I think I make things more difficult than they have to
be-especially when I don't understand something very well...
<<If you don't care a bit about words, ignore all memory of what you
just read.>>
:~) Ah, no, I care deeply about words-it may not seem like it when I'm deeply
emotionally involved in what I'm writing, though. I knew the Greek/river
horse connection, but not the "acting". Cool.
<<Maybe the problem is just that you say "no" without thinking.>>
Exactly!
<<If FIRST you think and then you speak, you won't have to reverse
yourself so much.>>
Yes, it was a problem when I was younger, and a lot of embarrassment helped
me work through that. This is probably hinged in Wyl wanting an answer "NOW"
and me feeling rushed, but more in "mother's voice" hanging around in my
subconcious. Another project I need to undertake, but again, not sure how deeply and
involved that project will be-and honestly, a lot of fear of going there. Not
to mention fear of the possible solutions I may have to undertake. None of
which is a valid (or any kind of) reason. I seem to get involved and caught up
in the middling details and end up far from where I was originally headed-HEY!
Focus-that's what that is, lack of focus!! Wow-this group is SO theraputic.
Now, I just have to figure out how I can keep myself from going off on tangents
and keep myself focused.
<<Here's something wonderful Joyce wrote about saying yes:
http://sandradodd.com/joyce/yes
You can say "yes" even when it's "Yes, but not today.">>
I will check that out-I have been heading in that direction and doing a lot
more of that, but its not often enough.
Thank you for the thought-inspiring questions and comments. It actually gave
me more energy and a positive perspective-a direction to head in.
Peace,
Sang
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/2006 10:01:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:
Peace,
Sang
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Sandra@... writes:
> Chop Wood, Carry Water.Who is the author of that?
Peace,
Sang
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/2006 10:09:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
soggyboysmom@... writes:
Peace,
Sang
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soggyboysmom@... writes:
> Or in the words of Master Yoda "Do... or do not. There is no try"Then again, nothing would get done if one did not "try". :~)
>
Peace,
Sang
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/2006 5:28:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
this, something just came to mind... Something about how when little ones first
learn something (like pincer grasp or a new word), they very often "lose it"
for a while while their brains learn something else... Is this possible in
adults? Or am I just looking for excuses? Probably just not being "mindful
enough", eh? :~)
<<The solution is to think more AND do more. Not a trade-off between
them, but they build on each other.>>
I am moving in that direction... I don't trust myself enough to judge what
kind of progress I'm making (outside source needed for that), but I *do* know it
is moving forward. Just doesn't seem "fast enough".
Thanks.
Sang
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> Sometimes you've "got it" and sometimes it slips away as you slipYES!! Bugs the heck out of me!! Although... while I'm reading and writing
> back into old modes of thought?
>
this, something just came to mind... Something about how when little ones first
learn something (like pincer grasp or a new word), they very often "lose it"
for a while while their brains learn something else... Is this possible in
adults? Or am I just looking for excuses? Probably just not being "mindful
enough", eh? :~)
<<The solution is to think more AND do more. Not a trade-off between
them, but they build on each other.>>
I am moving in that direction... I don't trust myself enough to judge what
kind of progress I'm making (outside source needed for that), but I *do* know it
is moving forward. Just doesn't seem "fast enough".
Thanks.
Sang
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Sandra Dodd
On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:
It might be a normal, healthy part of the search to look outside, and
then a common experience of those who feel they're getting somewhere
with it all to see that it's inside them after all. Kind of like
Dorothy in the movie version of The Wizard of Oz. But her life
wasn't all that great before she had the experiences (real or
imagined). So if her experiences were head-bonk-and-fright-induced
delirium, still she had extreme thoughts.
=So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Thank you-I'll work on that. No, I won't... I'll... keep it at the
forefront
of my mind/thinking :~)=
Just be emotionally alert and relaxed.
Not emotionally zingy and raw, but while you're thinking, think about
your emotions, and how they feel. If you get angry really easily, be
aware of that and also aware of what soothes you (internally). If
you prefer a state of unsettleness and fear, look back into your past
and see what that might mean. It might be worth reading about
dysfunctional families if one grew up with parents who were
inconsistent in bad ways (alcohol, drugs, other weirdness), and maybe
in some cases even talking to a counsellor a few times if self-help
books or groups can't do it.
Work at knowing how it feels to be still, and if it takes a formal
practice (meditation, yoga, prayer, trance-of-some-sort, music-
induced stillness) maybe do that, but when you know what your
stillness feels like you'll be able to get there on your own more
often, sometimes just by conscious thought, posture, breathing or
something. It's not just breathing and posture, it's the thoughts
that go with it. Prayer works for some people all by itself, because
of the attitude of awe and humility. Some people pray without those,
and saying "God grant me patience right now" doesn't help. <bwg>
Reading about parenting can be helpful, but I figure people who find
a list like this have done lots of that, and now are doing more.
Reading bad examples and good examples and running those through our
own memories and filters can help. Knowing what we want NOT to do is
as important as having a good model or ideal to aim toward.
Reading doesn't do it for some people. Some people run, or hike, and
the change of scene, and the rhythm, and the endorphins, and the
opportunity to be without outside verbal input helps them sort and
clarify.
Something that helped me every time was to smell a young child's
head. It helps less with teens than it did with young children (and
babies' heads can be intoxicating for moms, which is good!). One
long slow deep breath filled with the smell of my own child's head
was a centering, focussing thing for me. It won't work for
everyone. Acrimonious divorces and kids who smell like the dad can
be a problem, I think, and anything that works against the increase
of peace should probably be avoided. Smells aren't talked about
much in our culture, except in the ways we spend money and effort to
mask our smells. There's a whole lot going on in the olfactory
realm, but English speakers especially seem to like to reject it and
insult any who do base anything on smell. It's one of our biggest
bastions of ignorance, and won't be changed in my lifetime.
Try not to make conditions like "I will work on being more mindful
when my whole house is clean" or "After we finish remodelling" or
"After we move" or "When my irritating relatives move away." When
that happens, it's almost like co-dependency, or like blackmailing
our own souls. Mindfulness can increase under any circumstances once
the person is at a point to understand it as a thing to be desired.
Before that point, it can't be increased at all. And the Maslow
heirarchy of needs comes into play too. It helps to have basic
needs met before spiritual or emotional learning/growth. On the
other hand, though, prisoners and trauma victims sometimes become
very spiritual and philosophical. There are unknowns, and
individual differences.
Sandra
> > " There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,=====================================================================
> > within you."
> >
> Okay, that *sounds* good, but how do you find it (if it is within
> me, its
> buried pretty far down) if there is "no search"ing?
It might be a normal, healthy part of the search to look outside, and
then a common experience of those who feel they're getting somewhere
with it all to see that it's inside them after all. Kind of like
Dorothy in the movie version of The Wizard of Oz. But her life
wasn't all that great before she had the experiences (real or
imagined). So if her experiences were head-bonk-and-fright-induced
delirium, still she had extreme thoughts.
=So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Thank you-I'll work on that. No, I won't... I'll... keep it at the
forefront
of my mind/thinking :~)=
Just be emotionally alert and relaxed.
Not emotionally zingy and raw, but while you're thinking, think about
your emotions, and how they feel. If you get angry really easily, be
aware of that and also aware of what soothes you (internally). If
you prefer a state of unsettleness and fear, look back into your past
and see what that might mean. It might be worth reading about
dysfunctional families if one grew up with parents who were
inconsistent in bad ways (alcohol, drugs, other weirdness), and maybe
in some cases even talking to a counsellor a few times if self-help
books or groups can't do it.
Work at knowing how it feels to be still, and if it takes a formal
practice (meditation, yoga, prayer, trance-of-some-sort, music-
induced stillness) maybe do that, but when you know what your
stillness feels like you'll be able to get there on your own more
often, sometimes just by conscious thought, posture, breathing or
something. It's not just breathing and posture, it's the thoughts
that go with it. Prayer works for some people all by itself, because
of the attitude of awe and humility. Some people pray without those,
and saying "God grant me patience right now" doesn't help. <bwg>
Reading about parenting can be helpful, but I figure people who find
a list like this have done lots of that, and now are doing more.
Reading bad examples and good examples and running those through our
own memories and filters can help. Knowing what we want NOT to do is
as important as having a good model or ideal to aim toward.
Reading doesn't do it for some people. Some people run, or hike, and
the change of scene, and the rhythm, and the endorphins, and the
opportunity to be without outside verbal input helps them sort and
clarify.
Something that helped me every time was to smell a young child's
head. It helps less with teens than it did with young children (and
babies' heads can be intoxicating for moms, which is good!). One
long slow deep breath filled with the smell of my own child's head
was a centering, focussing thing for me. It won't work for
everyone. Acrimonious divorces and kids who smell like the dad can
be a problem, I think, and anything that works against the increase
of peace should probably be avoided. Smells aren't talked about
much in our culture, except in the ways we spend money and effort to
mask our smells. There's a whole lot going on in the olfactory
realm, but English speakers especially seem to like to reject it and
insult any who do base anything on smell. It's one of our biggest
bastions of ignorance, and won't be changed in my lifetime.
Try not to make conditions like "I will work on being more mindful
when my whole house is clean" or "After we finish remodelling" or
"After we move" or "When my irritating relatives move away." When
that happens, it's almost like co-dependency, or like blackmailing
our own souls. Mindfulness can increase under any circumstances once
the person is at a point to understand it as a thing to be desired.
Before that point, it can't be increased at all. And the Maslow
heirarchy of needs comes into play too. It helps to have basic
needs met before spiritual or emotional learning/growth. On the
other hand, though, prisoners and trauma victims sometimes become
very spiritual and philosophical. There are unknowns, and
individual differences.
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:26 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:
"I'll try to be generous" can lead to "Oh well, I tried. It didn't
work. I'm not going to try any more."
-=-Something about how when little ones first
learn something (like pincer grasp or a new word), they very often
"lose it"
for a while while their brains learn something else... Is this
possible in
adults? -=-
Try not to separate "little ones" from "adults" so much in your
mind. It will help everything.
Think of the ways *people* learn.
-=-I am moving in that direction... I don't trust myself enough to
judge what
kind of progress I'm making (outside source needed for that), but I
*do* know it
is moving forward. Just doesn't seem "fast enough". -=-
-=-I don't trust myself enough to judge what kind of progress-=-
Progress is progress. And moving backward is sometimes part of
progress too, because when you recognize it as "back" you're more
sure of where "forward" is.
=-=-I don't trust myself enough-=-
If you work on trusting your kids, you might be able to transfer some
of that to yourself, gradually. When what you're doing feels like
progress, your trust will increase too.
Sandra
> Then again, nothing would get done if one did not "try". :~)Right. But trying isn't doing.
"I'll try to be generous" can lead to "Oh well, I tried. It didn't
work. I'm not going to try any more."
-=-Something about how when little ones first
learn something (like pincer grasp or a new word), they very often
"lose it"
for a while while their brains learn something else... Is this
possible in
adults? -=-
Try not to separate "little ones" from "adults" so much in your
mind. It will help everything.
Think of the ways *people* learn.
-=-I am moving in that direction... I don't trust myself enough to
judge what
kind of progress I'm making (outside source needed for that), but I
*do* know it
is moving forward. Just doesn't seem "fast enough". -=-
-=-I don't trust myself enough to judge what kind of progress-=-
Progress is progress. And moving backward is sometimes part of
progress too, because when you recognize it as "back" you're more
sure of where "forward" is.
=-=-I don't trust myself enough-=-
If you work on trusting your kids, you might be able to transfer some
of that to yourself, gradually. When what you're doing feels like
progress, your trust will increase too.
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:
I could go and find it and look, but Google's right here. (Did you
try google?)
Chop Wood/Carry Water 669910606025_1_6 - $0.79 - Buy.com
Chop Wood, Carry Water: A Guide to Finding Spiritual ... - $10.95 -
SuperBookDeals
Chop Wood, Carry Water by Rick Fields, Peggy Taylor, and ... - $12.23
- Booksamillion.com
Amazon.com: Chop Wood, Carry Water: Books: Rick Fields
Amazon.com: Chop Wood, Carry Water: Books: Rick Fields by Rick Fields.
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ tg/detail/-/0874772095?v=glance - 113k -
Cached - Similar pages
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> > Chop Wood, Carry Water.==============================
>
> Who is the author of that?
I could go and find it and look, but Google's right here. (Did you
try google?)
Chop Wood/Carry Water 669910606025_1_6 - $0.79 - Buy.com
Chop Wood, Carry Water: A Guide to Finding Spiritual ... - $10.95 -
SuperBookDeals
Chop Wood, Carry Water by Rick Fields, Peggy Taylor, and ... - $12.23
- Booksamillion.com
Amazon.com: Chop Wood, Carry Water: Books: Rick Fields
Amazon.com: Chop Wood, Carry Water: Books: Rick Fields by Rick Fields.
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ tg/detail/-/0874772095?v=glance - 113k -
Cached - Similar pages
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Betsy Hill
** Can I? (Not sarcasam-honest question) Maybe the why is what's keeping
me from
doing it...**
Are you the kind of person that feels very uncomfortable doing something
imperfectly? My son has sometimes seemed to have a pattern of watching
and waiting and thinking and then sometime after kids his age are
jumping in and doing something, he'll finally try it and can suddenly do
it completely. This might be the behavior of a person who doesn't want
to do things until he can do them without doing them "wrong".
(I wouldn't say that as a crawling baby he sat there and thought "I'm
not going to let go until I figure out the not-falling-down part", but
he definitely sees performance pitfalls in advance and he apparently
will practice a new skill inside his head or where other people aren't
looking for quite awhile before he tries it.)
Betsy
PS I also think that some people (including me) can feel flawed and
shameful when the comment is made that some behavior could be "better".
I suspect that this gremlin is perfectionism.
When people tell me I could do something better, then I get a sense of
"oh, sh--" and realize that I am NOT perfect and, worse, that other
people know it. (There's probably some kind of flawed black-or-white
thinking underlying this, that if I am not completely good, then I must
be all bad. Not true! But an easy trap to fall into. And even when
not consciously thinking "Oh, I'm terrible", I still get nasty feeling
shame chemicals in my body sometimes over making very simple and
innocent mistakes.)
me from
doing it...**
Are you the kind of person that feels very uncomfortable doing something
imperfectly? My son has sometimes seemed to have a pattern of watching
and waiting and thinking and then sometime after kids his age are
jumping in and doing something, he'll finally try it and can suddenly do
it completely. This might be the behavior of a person who doesn't want
to do things until he can do them without doing them "wrong".
(I wouldn't say that as a crawling baby he sat there and thought "I'm
not going to let go until I figure out the not-falling-down part", but
he definitely sees performance pitfalls in advance and he apparently
will practice a new skill inside his head or where other people aren't
looking for quite awhile before he tries it.)
Betsy
PS I also think that some people (including me) can feel flawed and
shameful when the comment is made that some behavior could be "better".
I suspect that this gremlin is perfectionism.
When people tell me I could do something better, then I get a sense of
"oh, sh--" and realize that I am NOT perfect and, worse, that other
people know it. (There's probably some kind of flawed black-or-white
thinking underlying this, that if I am not completely good, then I must
be all bad. Not true! But an easy trap to fall into. And even when
not consciously thinking "Oh, I'm terrible", I still get nasty feeling
shame chemicals in my body sometimes over making very simple and
innocent mistakes.)
Have a Nice Day!
Another very good thought, and very helpful for people like me to distinguish the difference and learn how to "be".
Is there any way to archive some of this??? Or maybe it already is.
Kristen
Is there any way to archive some of this??? Or maybe it already is.
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Ren Allen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] mindfulness
"(I want it so badly, why can I not seem to *get* there?)"
That's western type thinking. You're seeing it as something to
acheive, someplace to "get to", but it's already right there inside of
you.
Being mindful is understanding that everything is perfect in this very
moment and just living in this moment exactly as it is. Nothing to
change, no place to get to, nothing need be different. Just sink into
the moment.
Here's something Osho wrote:
" There is no need to search, because all that is, is here and now,
within you."
And............
"Truth surrounds you. It is in the air, it is in the fragrance of the
flowers, it is in the flow of the river, it is in the green leaves, it
is in the stars, it is in the dust, it is in you. Only truth is!"
So don't try to "get it", just BE. And there will be your answer.
Ren
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Sandra Dodd
On Jan 28, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Have a Nice Day! wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups
Go to your yahoogroups, then to this group, then click "messages."
I did save one of Ren's just this morning, though, here:
http://sandradodd.com/peacefulparenting
I went to make a page with links to things that would help in these
cases, and found I had already made one but forgotten about it. Now
it's "new/improved."
Sandra
> Is there any way to archive some of this??? Or maybe it already is.All the posts ever were from this list can be accessed
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups
Go to your yahoogroups, then to this group, then click "messages."
I did save one of Ren's just this morning, though, here:
http://sandradodd.com/peacefulparenting
I went to make a page with links to things that would help in these
cases, and found I had already made one but forgotten about it. Now
it's "new/improved."
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/28/2006 12:10:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
*think* there is a fear of doing something wrong (it "feels" like I am solving a
puzzle when I do this-and I love puzzle-solving... and yet, I still like to
eyeball the move or the fit before I do the physical...), but I did get a lot of
ridicule growing up (peers and parents) when I did something wrong. (I tend not
to make little mistakes-when I do it, its dazzling! LOL) However, if I do
something "not right the first time", NOW, I don't feel ashamed or "bad" or
negative... just like I need to do it differently next time... I'm not sure how
knowing this would help, as I was thinking of it as an "ability" kind of thing?
I'm not sure :~) I have too much in my head at this point :~)
Peace,
Sang
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ecsamhill@... writes:
> Are you the kind of person that feels very uncomfortable doing somethingI do often like to assess something beforehand, but not always. I don't
> imperfectly? My son has sometimes seemed to have a pattern of watching
> and waiting and thinking and then sometime after kids his age are
> jumping in and doing something, he'll finally try it and can suddenly do
> it completely. This might be the behavior of a person who doesn't want
> to do things until he can do them without doing them "wrong".
>
*think* there is a fear of doing something wrong (it "feels" like I am solving a
puzzle when I do this-and I love puzzle-solving... and yet, I still like to
eyeball the move or the fit before I do the physical...), but I did get a lot of
ridicule growing up (peers and parents) when I did something wrong. (I tend not
to make little mistakes-when I do it, its dazzling! LOL) However, if I do
something "not right the first time", NOW, I don't feel ashamed or "bad" or
negative... just like I need to do it differently next time... I'm not sure how
knowing this would help, as I was thinking of it as an "ability" kind of thing?
I'm not sure :~) I have too much in my head at this point :~)
Peace,
Sang
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> On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:26 AM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Then again, nothing would get done if one did not "try". :~)
I finally made up a word to describe "try" -- it's a proverb, a word that
takes the place (and the credit for) an actual verb, i.e. I tried to play
basketball *really* means, I played basketball. Though it's often put in
where someone doesn't do as well as expected, "I tried and I failed" is
somehow easier to accept that "I did and I failed." It's much better to give
yourself and others credit for what is actually being done (or not done) than
to use a worthless word like "try." One is either doing or not, as in Yoda's
powerful quote, there is no in-between.
Even "trying" new foods, is really "tasting" or "experiencing" and "trying"
new behaviors is "doing" new things...
So indeed, nothing would get done if one did not DO <bg>
:) diana
Sandra Dodd
On Feb 1, 2006, at 11:12 AM, hahamommy@... wrote:
That's so inspiring!
But I don't like it. <g>
Yeah, I like it for foods, and basketball. One can play basketball
alone in the back yard, or with a friend or two, but there is another
level (several levels) of "playing basketball."
Someone can claim to have tried unschooling, and might tell all their
friends and half the online world that they unschooled for a year
and it didn't work. On closer examination, sometimes it's hard to
find out what they did that made them think "unschooling."
Unless one reaches a certain point, it's neither trying nor doing.
I could say I'm being a vegetarian. I didn't have meat at breakfast
or at dinner last night. That's almost 24 hours of no meat.
I could say I'm exercising now, because I worked in the yard half an
hour yesterday, walked to the video store and walked to the grocery
store, all in one day. But if I really "started exercising" I think
I would need at least an hour a day of some sort of real, planned,
fairly concentrated activity, not just three small happenstances.
I didn't try vegetarianism or exercise. I didn't start either one,
either. I had a more meatless and more active day than usual. <g>
So yeah, you're right, and still it doesn't apply in all cases.
Sandra
> One is either doing or not, as in Yoda's==============
> powerful quote, there is no in-between.
> Even "trying" new foods, is really "tasting" or "experiencing" and
> "trying"
> new behaviors is "doing" new things...
>
> So indeed, nothing would get done if one did not DO <bg>
That's so inspiring!
But I don't like it. <g>
Yeah, I like it for foods, and basketball. One can play basketball
alone in the back yard, or with a friend or two, but there is another
level (several levels) of "playing basketball."
Someone can claim to have tried unschooling, and might tell all their
friends and half the online world that they unschooled for a year
and it didn't work. On closer examination, sometimes it's hard to
find out what they did that made them think "unschooling."
Unless one reaches a certain point, it's neither trying nor doing.
I could say I'm being a vegetarian. I didn't have meat at breakfast
or at dinner last night. That's almost 24 hours of no meat.
I could say I'm exercising now, because I worked in the yard half an
hour yesterday, walked to the video store and walked to the grocery
store, all in one day. But if I really "started exercising" I think
I would need at least an hour a day of some sort of real, planned,
fairly concentrated activity, not just three small happenstances.
I didn't try vegetarianism or exercise. I didn't start either one,
either. I had a more meatless and more active day than usual. <g>
So yeah, you're right, and still it doesn't apply in all cases.
Sandra