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HI all -
We built our house a few years back. We have a lot of not so good drywall
seams (just where it wasn't sanded down enough) places where stuff didnt'
match up perfectly, ripples, etc. We also have a lot of trim that never got put
up.
We went to Disneyworld over the holidays, and I got so inspired by stuff
like the "tree of life" in the animal kingdom, and just all the sculpture and
art incorporated into all the buildings...even little things like dining huts
had the coolest designs.
Anyhow, a couple of the kids and I were thinking how cool it would be to
fill in a lot of our gaps and mistakes around the house with stuff like sculpted
trees, snakes, waves, plants,...anything really. But we're not sure what
type of stuff we'd use to do that. What could we get in a huge amount that
could be molded, sculpted, squished into cracks and corners, and stick to the
walls? Any ideas? I know all that stuff at Disneyworld wasn't carved out of
wood. Does anyone know a type of clay or something like it would work? Has
anyone done stuff like this at their home? We've done murals before, but not
3 dimensional.
Thanks -
Nancy B.
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We built our house a few years back. We have a lot of not so good drywall
seams (just where it wasn't sanded down enough) places where stuff didnt'
match up perfectly, ripples, etc. We also have a lot of trim that never got put
up.
We went to Disneyworld over the holidays, and I got so inspired by stuff
like the "tree of life" in the animal kingdom, and just all the sculpture and
art incorporated into all the buildings...even little things like dining huts
had the coolest designs.
Anyhow, a couple of the kids and I were thinking how cool it would be to
fill in a lot of our gaps and mistakes around the house with stuff like sculpted
trees, snakes, waves, plants,...anything really. But we're not sure what
type of stuff we'd use to do that. What could we get in a huge amount that
could be molded, sculpted, squished into cracks and corners, and stick to the
walls? Any ideas? I know all that stuff at Disneyworld wasn't carved out of
wood. Does anyone know a type of clay or something like it would work? Has
anyone done stuff like this at their home? We've done murals before, but not
3 dimensional.
Thanks -
Nancy B.
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In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:18:58 PM Central Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
What could we get in a huge amount that
could be molded, sculpted, squished into cracks and corners, and stick to
the
walls? Any ideas?
~~~
You could use sheetrock mud. You probably still have some of it sitting
around. But I'd buy the dry stuff so I could mix it a little stiffer than it
comes in the bucket.
That's probably what I would use. If you don't like a particular piece, you
can still scrape it off before you paint it. If you're doing it on the
wall, don't make anything too thick, because it may start to droop.
And wear gloves, because that stuff is not good for your skin.
I'd probably also use a variety of things...sculpy, clay, paper mache (white
glue and newspaper--what could be cheaper?). I'd probably make some things
on the table and glue them up later, too.
Sounds like fun! Wish I had a space to do that in.
Karen
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CelticFrau@... writes:
What could we get in a huge amount that
could be molded, sculpted, squished into cracks and corners, and stick to
the
walls? Any ideas?
~~~
You could use sheetrock mud. You probably still have some of it sitting
around. But I'd buy the dry stuff so I could mix it a little stiffer than it
comes in the bucket.
That's probably what I would use. If you don't like a particular piece, you
can still scrape it off before you paint it. If you're doing it on the
wall, don't make anything too thick, because it may start to droop.
And wear gloves, because that stuff is not good for your skin.
I'd probably also use a variety of things...sculpy, clay, paper mache (white
glue and newspaper--what could be cheaper?). I'd probably make some things
on the table and glue them up later, too.
Sounds like fun! Wish I had a space to do that in.
Karen
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Kathleen and David Gehrke
Nancy,
What a great idea! I am wondering if you couldn't just
use dry wall mud to form and sculpt with. Then paint
and seal over it.
We also have a house that we built still awaiting trim
and windows being boxed out etc. , well and some doors
and some floors.
Good luck
Kathleen
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What a great idea! I am wondering if you couldn't just
use dry wall mud to form and sculpt with. Then paint
and seal over it.
We also have a house that we built still awaiting trim
and windows being boxed out etc. , well and some doors
and some floors.
Good luck
Kathleen
--- CelticFrau@... wrote:
> HI all -__________________________________________
> We built our house a few years back. We have a lot
> of not so good drywall
> seams (just where it wasn't sanded down enough)
> places where stuff didnt'
> match up perfectly, ripples, etc. We also have a
> lot of trim that never got put
> up.
>
> We went to Disneyworld over the holidays, and I got
> so inspired by stuff
> like the "tree of life" in the animal kingdom, and
> just all the sculpture and
> art incorporated into all the buildings...even
> little things like dining huts
> had the coolest designs.
>
> Anyhow, a couple of the kids and I were thinking how
> cool it would be to
> fill in a lot of our gaps and mistakes around the
> house with stuff like sculpted
> trees, snakes, waves, plants,...anything really.
> But we're not sure what
> type of stuff we'd use to do that. What could we
> get in a huge amount that
> could be molded, sculpted, squished into cracks and
> corners, and stick to the
> walls? Any ideas? I know all that stuff at
> Disneyworld wasn't carved out of
> wood. Does anyone know a type of clay or something
> like it would work? Has
> anyone done stuff like this at their home? We've
> done murals before, but not
> 3 dimensional.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Nancy B.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
>
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I think we may try the drywall "mix." I know the drywall putty that's
already made is way too soft and would just run down the wall, but if it's mixed
it may work. I'm going to do a google and see if I can find out what the
stuff at Disneyworld is made of.
Nancy B.
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already made is way too soft and would just run down the wall, but if it's mixed
it may work. I'm going to do a google and see if I can find out what the
stuff at Disneyworld is made of.
Nancy B.
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From what I've found, the Tree of Life was made from "rockwork"...and was
actually hand carved by a large number of artists. Not sure what "rockwork"
is. Found something else saying the Swiss Family Treehouse is made of steel
and concrete. I hadn't thought of concrete...hmmm...maybe concrete and chicken
wire?
Nancy B.
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actually hand carved by a large number of artists. Not sure what "rockwork"
is. Found something else saying the Swiss Family Treehouse is made of steel
and concrete. I hadn't thought of concrete...hmmm...maybe concrete and chicken
wire?
Nancy B.
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The Coffee Goddess
I think often they are made of carved styrofoam,
hot-glued to the wall, then plastered and painted....
Dana
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In a message dated 1/9/2006 9:41:19 AM Central Standard Time,
hoffmanwilson@... writes:
I think often they are made of carved styrofoam,
~~~
Just regular styrofoam, like in an ice chest you buy at the gas station,
wouldn't do though. You'd need that high-density stuff, which can get spendy,
I'll bet.
Karen
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hoffmanwilson@... writes:
I think often they are made of carved styrofoam,
~~~
Just regular styrofoam, like in an ice chest you buy at the gas station,
wouldn't do though. You'd need that high-density stuff, which can get spendy,
I'll bet.
Karen
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In a message dated 1/9/2006 11:19:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
spendy,
I'll bet.
Karen<<
The stuff that comes with stereo components or TV's, etc, is pretty thick
and heavy. We just got rid of a bunch of it! Ugh.
I know that dumpster diving is one of the best places to get styrofoam...we
sell on ebay, and NEVER buy packaging supplies, we just dive for it. I'll
have to keep a look out for it.
Styrofoam is such a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. Concrete or
something solid would be so heavy. Our house is built on blocks, up off the
ground. Something too heavy might mess with the stability.
Are there any architects on this list? :o)
Nancy B.
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tuckervill2@... writes:
>>Just regular styrofoam, like in an ice chest you buy at the gas station,wouldn't do though. You'd need that high-density stuff, which can get
spendy,
I'll bet.
Karen<<
The stuff that comes with stereo components or TV's, etc, is pretty thick
and heavy. We just got rid of a bunch of it! Ugh.
I know that dumpster diving is one of the best places to get styrofoam...we
sell on ebay, and NEVER buy packaging supplies, we just dive for it. I'll
have to keep a look out for it.
Styrofoam is such a good idea, I hadn't thought of that. Concrete or
something solid would be so heavy. Our house is built on blocks, up off the
ground. Something too heavy might mess with the stability.
Are there any architects on this list? :o)
Nancy B.
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Robyn Coburn
<<<<<< I think often they are made of carved styrofoam,
hot-glued to the wall, then plastered and painted....
Dana
I'm going to do a google and see if I
Decorator most of the uses of Styrofoam is for indoor sets. Usually the
stuff is sprayed in a semi-liquid form over the superstructure made of
lumber or steel framing for special purposes (or large chunks of the
Styrofoam for major depth). It generally sticks by itself by virtue of being
sprayed on. The surfaces are then fine sculpted if necessary, usually using
a heated wire device for a smooth surface, before a sealer coat and then the
scenic art begins.
Another interior decorating technique used a *lot* in cinema and related
industries is vacuum forming of molded shapes in plastic - including what
you would take to be plaster or wood architectural details - again followed
by scenic artistry. Anyone can contract a prop manufacturer or one of the
Studio set construction departments to make them quantities of architectural
fixtures in vacuum form, provided they are willing to pay, of course. More
companies are offering dense plastic/soft foam items like molding or
paneling for purchase, that is nonetheless flexible.
The exterior stuff at Disney is more likely to be a concrete concoction,
similar to what is used by prop/scenic manufacturing companies. They use
enormous moulds with tinted concrete for these large creations. Designing
the molds is a whole job in itself, part of the Set Design position - which
in movie credits refers to a draftsperson who creates working drawings,
plans and elevations of elements to be constructed, including an awareness
of the engineering needed.
There is a material, formerly called Sculpt-on-coat but it seems to have
changed its name, that is a gel like plastic molding material that air dries
hard enough to drill or saw. There is also a liquid that you dip fabric into
that upon drying becomes rock hard, sometimes enough to support a person
depending on the shape.
Incidentally, one of the main uses of hot glue in the industry, is for the
manufacture of cobwebs. There is a machine that heats the sticks and then
shoots out (with hot air) the liquefied hot glue to create great swathes of
hanging web, on to which dust (usually fuller's earth) will then be blown if
the desired effect is of old webs. The glue gives them that stretchy yet
sticky effect when people go pushing through them.
Robyn L. Coburn
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hot-glued to the wall, then plastered and painted....
Dana
I'm going to do a google and see if I
> can find out what theSorry I missed the original post - speaking as a Production Designer/Set
> stuff at Disneyworld is made of.>>>>>
Decorator most of the uses of Styrofoam is for indoor sets. Usually the
stuff is sprayed in a semi-liquid form over the superstructure made of
lumber or steel framing for special purposes (or large chunks of the
Styrofoam for major depth). It generally sticks by itself by virtue of being
sprayed on. The surfaces are then fine sculpted if necessary, usually using
a heated wire device for a smooth surface, before a sealer coat and then the
scenic art begins.
Another interior decorating technique used a *lot* in cinema and related
industries is vacuum forming of molded shapes in plastic - including what
you would take to be plaster or wood architectural details - again followed
by scenic artistry. Anyone can contract a prop manufacturer or one of the
Studio set construction departments to make them quantities of architectural
fixtures in vacuum form, provided they are willing to pay, of course. More
companies are offering dense plastic/soft foam items like molding or
paneling for purchase, that is nonetheless flexible.
The exterior stuff at Disney is more likely to be a concrete concoction,
similar to what is used by prop/scenic manufacturing companies. They use
enormous moulds with tinted concrete for these large creations. Designing
the molds is a whole job in itself, part of the Set Design position - which
in movie credits refers to a draftsperson who creates working drawings,
plans and elevations of elements to be constructed, including an awareness
of the engineering needed.
There is a material, formerly called Sculpt-on-coat but it seems to have
changed its name, that is a gel like plastic molding material that air dries
hard enough to drill or saw. There is also a liquid that you dip fabric into
that upon drying becomes rock hard, sometimes enough to support a person
depending on the shape.
Incidentally, one of the main uses of hot glue in the industry, is for the
manufacture of cobwebs. There is a machine that heats the sticks and then
shoots out (with hot air) the liquefied hot glue to create great swathes of
hanging web, on to which dust (usually fuller's earth) will then be blown if
the desired effect is of old webs. The glue gives them that stretchy yet
sticky effect when people go pushing through them.
Robyn L. Coburn
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I think often they are made of carved styrofoam,
hot-glued to the wall, then plastered and painted....
Dana
I'm going to do a google and see if I
> can find out what theGuadalupe's Coffee Roaster
> stuff at Disneyworld is made of.
>
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The Coffee Goddess
I have used foam for set designing, and I also had a
taxidermist friend that used it for animal bodies
(EW!) and also for sets for the animals to be mounted
on. It makes the mount light enough to hang on the
wall. It's easy to work with and can be painted to
look like anything! It *is* a more dense foam than
ice chest material, but it is readily available at our
local hardware store.
Dana
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taxidermist friend that used it for animal bodies
(EW!) and also for sets for the animals to be mounted
on. It makes the mount light enough to hang on the
wall. It's easy to work with and can be painted to
look like anything! It *is* a more dense foam than
ice chest material, but it is readily available at our
local hardware store.
Dana
> >>Just regular styrofoam, like in an ice chest youGuadalupe's Coffee Roaster
> buy at the gas station,
> wouldn't do though. You'd need that high-density
> stuff, which can get
> spendy,
> I'll bet.
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Hi,
In a previous house we built (So AZ) we had earthen plaster walls on
the bale walls and wanted something to blend with that texture on the
drywall walls. i
used dry wall mud (not real mud as I don't think it will adhere to a
surface which has latex on it)and added sand and actually thinned it a
bit and brushed it on the walls-then painted. You can use whatever
size sand gives the texture you want. I also did some sculpture on
the earthen plaster walls but would think you could do this with
drywall mud as the previous poster said-just play until you get the
consistency you want. I you're "building out" for a raised effect you
will most likely need to add something to act as a binder, i used
finely chopped straw with the mud and that may work with dry wall mud.
i'm including a few links with examples for inspiration-great fun for
the kids. But it
will be verrrry messy.
http://www.intabas.com/kikodenzer.html
http://caneloproject.com/pages/currrent%20projects/madalashed.html
Good Luck and make great art!
judy
none of these is my work, by the way
In a previous house we built (So AZ) we had earthen plaster walls on
the bale walls and wanted something to blend with that texture on the
drywall walls. i
used dry wall mud (not real mud as I don't think it will adhere to a
surface which has latex on it)and added sand and actually thinned it a
bit and brushed it on the walls-then painted. You can use whatever
size sand gives the texture you want. I also did some sculpture on
the earthen plaster walls but would think you could do this with
drywall mud as the previous poster said-just play until you get the
consistency you want. I you're "building out" for a raised effect you
will most likely need to add something to act as a binder, i used
finely chopped straw with the mud and that may work with dry wall mud.
i'm including a few links with examples for inspiration-great fun for
the kids. But it
will be verrrry messy.
http://www.intabas.com/kikodenzer.html
http://caneloproject.com/pages/currrent%20projects/madalashed.html
Good Luck and make great art!
judy
none of these is my work, by the way