Final part - teeth saga
Robyn Coburn
This saga of Jayn�s infection has really tested me and my commitment to
non-coercive parenting. Both James and I are feeling pretty wracked with
guilt that we allowed this decayed tooth to get as far as it did. We both
were seeking the help of people who were pretty strongly pressuring us to
abandon our ideals and philosophy in the face of medicine. We are both
extremely grateful that we didn�t, and that it never came to a place where
we thought we would have to do so to save Jayn�s life.
I believe the abundant Universe, some may think of a named Deity, sends us
messages as we need them, and if we don�t recognize them sends a more
forceful signal. I was procrastinating finding Jayn the right dentist, so I
was �sent� a more serious message to get my dumb ass moving.
My reasons for my slowness were good enough, as I *thought* then. I was
waiting for Jayn�s willingness to become more than sporadic islands in a sea
of fear and nervousness. Looking at it now, I see that I was squandering
those moments of willingness, and finding justifications for waiting, and
failing to heed the gentle messages that I was being sent, including the
kindly expressed concerns of my unschooling friends IRL. Allison, you were
right.
In researching about tooth decay and similar situations I took heart from
the stories of self-healing and nerves simply dying and the �easy stories�.
I mentally minimized or ignored the more serious tales, while still being
able to be grateful that Jayn does not have tooth problems like flaking
enamel beginning with her the first eruption. I now think that many of these
folk with less serious issues probably have the Periodontal or Periapical
abscesses, both of which can evidently be treated to a great extent with
localized drainage. (one source of info HYPERLINK
"http://www.ncemi.org/cse/cse0418.htm"http://www.ncemi.org/cse/cse0418.htm )
That is not what Jayn has anymore. She has a complication of the Periapical
abscess situation, facial cellulitis, that if left any longer without
treatment would almost certainly have become a life threatening � rush to
the ER � situation, and even with antibiotics cannot be let alone
indefinitely without becoming a very serious illness with ramifications as
far in advance as possible heart problems in adulthood. We have gotten to it
soon enough to avoid those things, or I am convinced that the doctors would
have scheduled a sooner surgery than a week from Monday � on the 25th.
There are a number of things that I wish I had done differently. Since the
biggest issue for me was Jayn�s willingness, I wish that I had sought ways
to help her come to a willing mindset sooner. Climbing into my time
machine�.
I would have taken Jayn with me to many more, if not all, of my dental
cleaning visits rather than just when she was an infant sleeping in her
stroller, and the time I went 8 months ago. I would have brought her along
to more of James� numerous treatments, just to drop in and become familiar
with dentists, and establish the kind of routine aspect of it.
I would have sought out the best, kindest full service dentist I could from
an earlier age � and I�m pretty sure we would have found this same lady
through my SIL from the get go � and visited her with Jayn just to
acclimatize. My advice would then be less helpful here (g). But the main
thing would be taking time without the pressure of urgent worry to find
someone good and kind and, I say again, full service/all procedures so that
if serious stuff is needed the bonds of trust are already there. Her cavity
would have been spotted when tiny and dealt with then, or at any rate sooner
- as soon as a willing moment manifested.
A big part of my bad justifications is that I have a lot of issues about
medical personnel � shitty experiences from my childhood and youth, that
lead me to view the nice and good doctors that I meet, and of whom we are
all patients, as being the exceptions. Maybe they really are exceptions � I
have managed to meet some distant, superior, scare mongering, uncaring or
just not good specialists (and alternative medicine practitioners) in the
last few years also � who got the sack fast. See? I have a lot of distrust
of doctors and their motives and their integrity � which is all the more
ironic as my step father is a wonderful, compassionate doctor and teacher of
medicine. (Some of his less affluent clinic patients pay him in produce from
their gardens.)
This baggage leads me to want to minimize my contact with doctors beyond the
essential � go when you are sick and get a pap smear (not Jayn!)
periodically. To my shame, what happened here was I didn�t go when the need
first arose, and now poor Jayn had to pay the price in discomfort.
In this specific situation over the last week, what I would have done
differently is listen to her �no, I want to go home� at once, as I said in
the last post. I tried to cajole and persuade � instead of trusting
immediately that Jayn really did know what she needed, *and* that we were
capable of finding it for her (the Universe providing). This was the worst
thing that I did in terms of possible damage to our relationship � a true
deep regret that I have already apologized to Jayn for. She assures me that
she has forgiven me.
What I would *not* have done is handle either tooth brushing or her free
diet any differently. I am still convinced that she will continue to
spontaneously brush her teeth (once she is out of pain and sensitivity) more
often than if I were trying to force the issue, and she still instinctively
does things like drink a bottle of water after eating sweet stuff. She is
even getting more into eating cheesy things after sweets.
One of the grand things that has come from this experience is the renewed
gratitude and wonder that I have for my darling James (�dh� is just too
small to contain my feelings). For all of his expressed worry that we might
have to �make her�, he was just blowing off steam by saying those kind of
things to me in our �How far can we let this go� discussions. When it came
to the crunch sitting in a dentist�s office, he was splendid. His forceful
and assertive manner with the pushy docs was wonderful. His ability to
articulate the philosophy of including Jayn in the decision making process,
to their bafflement, while I just looked at them with a slack jaw or
muttered, �That won�t be happening� �.. I�m just overwhelmed to the point of
speechlessness with how fundamentally he �gets it� � and can express it to
others.
Robyn L. Coburn
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non-coercive parenting. Both James and I are feeling pretty wracked with
guilt that we allowed this decayed tooth to get as far as it did. We both
were seeking the help of people who were pretty strongly pressuring us to
abandon our ideals and philosophy in the face of medicine. We are both
extremely grateful that we didn�t, and that it never came to a place where
we thought we would have to do so to save Jayn�s life.
I believe the abundant Universe, some may think of a named Deity, sends us
messages as we need them, and if we don�t recognize them sends a more
forceful signal. I was procrastinating finding Jayn the right dentist, so I
was �sent� a more serious message to get my dumb ass moving.
My reasons for my slowness were good enough, as I *thought* then. I was
waiting for Jayn�s willingness to become more than sporadic islands in a sea
of fear and nervousness. Looking at it now, I see that I was squandering
those moments of willingness, and finding justifications for waiting, and
failing to heed the gentle messages that I was being sent, including the
kindly expressed concerns of my unschooling friends IRL. Allison, you were
right.
In researching about tooth decay and similar situations I took heart from
the stories of self-healing and nerves simply dying and the �easy stories�.
I mentally minimized or ignored the more serious tales, while still being
able to be grateful that Jayn does not have tooth problems like flaking
enamel beginning with her the first eruption. I now think that many of these
folk with less serious issues probably have the Periodontal or Periapical
abscesses, both of which can evidently be treated to a great extent with
localized drainage. (one source of info HYPERLINK
"http://www.ncemi.org/cse/cse0418.htm"http://www.ncemi.org/cse/cse0418.htm )
That is not what Jayn has anymore. She has a complication of the Periapical
abscess situation, facial cellulitis, that if left any longer without
treatment would almost certainly have become a life threatening � rush to
the ER � situation, and even with antibiotics cannot be let alone
indefinitely without becoming a very serious illness with ramifications as
far in advance as possible heart problems in adulthood. We have gotten to it
soon enough to avoid those things, or I am convinced that the doctors would
have scheduled a sooner surgery than a week from Monday � on the 25th.
There are a number of things that I wish I had done differently. Since the
biggest issue for me was Jayn�s willingness, I wish that I had sought ways
to help her come to a willing mindset sooner. Climbing into my time
machine�.
I would have taken Jayn with me to many more, if not all, of my dental
cleaning visits rather than just when she was an infant sleeping in her
stroller, and the time I went 8 months ago. I would have brought her along
to more of James� numerous treatments, just to drop in and become familiar
with dentists, and establish the kind of routine aspect of it.
I would have sought out the best, kindest full service dentist I could from
an earlier age � and I�m pretty sure we would have found this same lady
through my SIL from the get go � and visited her with Jayn just to
acclimatize. My advice would then be less helpful here (g). But the main
thing would be taking time without the pressure of urgent worry to find
someone good and kind and, I say again, full service/all procedures so that
if serious stuff is needed the bonds of trust are already there. Her cavity
would have been spotted when tiny and dealt with then, or at any rate sooner
- as soon as a willing moment manifested.
A big part of my bad justifications is that I have a lot of issues about
medical personnel � shitty experiences from my childhood and youth, that
lead me to view the nice and good doctors that I meet, and of whom we are
all patients, as being the exceptions. Maybe they really are exceptions � I
have managed to meet some distant, superior, scare mongering, uncaring or
just not good specialists (and alternative medicine practitioners) in the
last few years also � who got the sack fast. See? I have a lot of distrust
of doctors and their motives and their integrity � which is all the more
ironic as my step father is a wonderful, compassionate doctor and teacher of
medicine. (Some of his less affluent clinic patients pay him in produce from
their gardens.)
This baggage leads me to want to minimize my contact with doctors beyond the
essential � go when you are sick and get a pap smear (not Jayn!)
periodically. To my shame, what happened here was I didn�t go when the need
first arose, and now poor Jayn had to pay the price in discomfort.
In this specific situation over the last week, what I would have done
differently is listen to her �no, I want to go home� at once, as I said in
the last post. I tried to cajole and persuade � instead of trusting
immediately that Jayn really did know what she needed, *and* that we were
capable of finding it for her (the Universe providing). This was the worst
thing that I did in terms of possible damage to our relationship � a true
deep regret that I have already apologized to Jayn for. She assures me that
she has forgiven me.
What I would *not* have done is handle either tooth brushing or her free
diet any differently. I am still convinced that she will continue to
spontaneously brush her teeth (once she is out of pain and sensitivity) more
often than if I were trying to force the issue, and she still instinctively
does things like drink a bottle of water after eating sweet stuff. She is
even getting more into eating cheesy things after sweets.
One of the grand things that has come from this experience is the renewed
gratitude and wonder that I have for my darling James (�dh� is just too
small to contain my feelings). For all of his expressed worry that we might
have to �make her�, he was just blowing off steam by saying those kind of
things to me in our �How far can we let this go� discussions. When it came
to the crunch sitting in a dentist�s office, he was splendid. His forceful
and assertive manner with the pushy docs was wonderful. His ability to
articulate the philosophy of including Jayn in the decision making process,
to their bafflement, while I just looked at them with a slack jaw or
muttered, �That won�t be happening� �.. I�m just overwhelmed to the point of
speechlessness with how fundamentally he �gets it� � and can express it to
others.
Robyn L. Coburn
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averyschmidt
Robyn,
I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to write your teeth
saga- I'm in a similar situation with my 6yo (no infection but lots
of work possibly needed) and your story has given me lots of food
for thought. This in particular resonated with me:
reading your words that I tend to do the same thing.
Patti
I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to write your teeth
saga- I'm in a similar situation with my 6yo (no infection but lots
of work possibly needed) and your story has given me lots of food
for thought. This in particular resonated with me:
> In researching about tooth decay and similar situations I tookheart from
> the stories of self-healing and nerves simply dying and the "easystories".
> I mentally minimized or ignored the more serious tales, whilestill being
> able to be grateful that Jayn does not have tooth problems likeflaking
> enamel beginning with her the first eruption.I too am wary of medical professionals and have realized since
reading your words that I tend to do the same thing.
Patti
Cheryl
>I'm glad you shared all that Robyn, but I don't think you should feel soSandra
>guilty.
These are the kind of experiences that really *teach* me about the strength and deep, mental and emotional capacity a true unschooler has or needs to work towards. I appreciate your story, and it highlighted the ways that I am being disrespectful to my daughter in everyday life, let alone in such a difficult journey.
Cheryl
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In a message dated 7/17/05 3:10:01 AM, dezigna@... writes:
wouldn't have been less comfortable. Perhaps you're in a six of one, half a
dozen of the other situation.
-=-what I would have done
differently is listen to her “no, I want to go home” at once,-=-
But it's hard do know when you're ten seconds from the tipping point where
everything starts to get sunny and bright and good.
-=-One of the grand things that has come from this experience is the renewed
gratitude and wonder that I have for my darling James (“dh” is just too
small to contain my feelings). For all of his expressed worry that we might
have to “make her”, he was just blowing off steam by saying those kind of
things to me in our “How far can we let this go” discussions. When it came
to the crunch sitting in a dentist’s office, he was splendid.-=-
That is so cool.
I see Keith defend our kids from his mom in really sweet ways. He still
hardly stands up to her himself, about himself, but he will block her when she
starts toward one of ours (philosophically or verbally).
It probably helps some that James and Keith are both big confident guys, too.
I've seen doctors intimidate full grown men without blinking an eye, so any
advantage, when it comes to doctors and their recitation of "how it has to
be" is a good advantage.'
Kirby had a lot of dental problems, and had four steel-capped teeth when he
was little, because some of his enamel was just no good. Neither Keith nor I
had that problem when we were little, so I have no idea what it might've come
from. Marty's and Holly's were both much better. With his permanent teeth,
Kirby's seem fine.
I used to take the extra kids to the dentist and we'd watch whichever kid was
in the chair. Another cool thing about the pediatric dentist we used to go
to (who's retired now) is that they had three chairs all in one big room, so
there was no mystery-room with big noise to make kids use their imaginations.
They could watch other kids even without coming with siblings, and I think
that was very helpful.
They have another dentist now, and I try to ask the receptionists to
reschedule every time I'm there, at least for a cleaning, because I have a big
dentist-aversion, and would stall for years, so I ask Keith and the kids and the
schedulers to send us cards, call, make sure. Not because I believe it's
necessary, but because I believe I would procrastinate.
Lately, Marty and Kirby take themselves. They've been scheduled on the same
day twice, so they just go together. Cool!
Holly wanted braces (and needed them) and is over halfway through treatment.
Marty and Kirby had said they didn't want them, but the new dentist said
that was fine for Kirby, whose teeth are symmetrically crooked (the center top
two are inside, a bit, of the next two out), but otherwise fine. Marty's that
LOOK better, are way crowded in the back. Keith has had precisely the same
dental problems the dentist told him Marty might have if he didn't get this
taken care of, so Marty agree, even though he's likely to have braces past his
18th birthday and he thinks that's just wrong. <g>
Both Marty and Holly take good care of their braces, and having had the
option not to get them is very likely part of what makes it easy and sensible for
them to do that. If we pressed against their will to host some complicated
hardware for two years or more, they might rightfully have resented the extra
care it takes, but they chose and we gave them the gift of paying for something
that they wanted to do. It's just a whole different dynamic from when the
conversation is all between the parent and dentist, over the child's head
without a glance to see whether she'd just rather have crooked teeth or get braces
as an adult or whatever. There really ARE options.
I'm glad you shared all that Robyn, but I don't think you should feel so
guilty.
Sandra
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> To my shame, what happened here was I didn’t go when the needBut maybe eight routine visits over the years with a couple of fillings
> first arose, and now poor Jayn had to pay the price in discomfort.
>
wouldn't have been less comfortable. Perhaps you're in a six of one, half a
dozen of the other situation.
-=-what I would have done
differently is listen to her “no, I want to go home” at once,-=-
But it's hard do know when you're ten seconds from the tipping point where
everything starts to get sunny and bright and good.
-=-One of the grand things that has come from this experience is the renewed
gratitude and wonder that I have for my darling James (“dh” is just too
small to contain my feelings). For all of his expressed worry that we might
have to “make her”, he was just blowing off steam by saying those kind of
things to me in our “How far can we let this go” discussions. When it came
to the crunch sitting in a dentist’s office, he was splendid.-=-
That is so cool.
I see Keith defend our kids from his mom in really sweet ways. He still
hardly stands up to her himself, about himself, but he will block her when she
starts toward one of ours (philosophically or verbally).
It probably helps some that James and Keith are both big confident guys, too.
I've seen doctors intimidate full grown men without blinking an eye, so any
advantage, when it comes to doctors and their recitation of "how it has to
be" is a good advantage.'
Kirby had a lot of dental problems, and had four steel-capped teeth when he
was little, because some of his enamel was just no good. Neither Keith nor I
had that problem when we were little, so I have no idea what it might've come
from. Marty's and Holly's were both much better. With his permanent teeth,
Kirby's seem fine.
I used to take the extra kids to the dentist and we'd watch whichever kid was
in the chair. Another cool thing about the pediatric dentist we used to go
to (who's retired now) is that they had three chairs all in one big room, so
there was no mystery-room with big noise to make kids use their imaginations.
They could watch other kids even without coming with siblings, and I think
that was very helpful.
They have another dentist now, and I try to ask the receptionists to
reschedule every time I'm there, at least for a cleaning, because I have a big
dentist-aversion, and would stall for years, so I ask Keith and the kids and the
schedulers to send us cards, call, make sure. Not because I believe it's
necessary, but because I believe I would procrastinate.
Lately, Marty and Kirby take themselves. They've been scheduled on the same
day twice, so they just go together. Cool!
Holly wanted braces (and needed them) and is over halfway through treatment.
Marty and Kirby had said they didn't want them, but the new dentist said
that was fine for Kirby, whose teeth are symmetrically crooked (the center top
two are inside, a bit, of the next two out), but otherwise fine. Marty's that
LOOK better, are way crowded in the back. Keith has had precisely the same
dental problems the dentist told him Marty might have if he didn't get this
taken care of, so Marty agree, even though he's likely to have braces past his
18th birthday and he thinks that's just wrong. <g>
Both Marty and Holly take good care of their braces, and having had the
option not to get them is very likely part of what makes it easy and sensible for
them to do that. If we pressed against their will to host some complicated
hardware for two years or more, they might rightfully have resented the extra
care it takes, but they chose and we gave them the gift of paying for something
that they wanted to do. It's just a whole different dynamic from when the
conversation is all between the parent and dentist, over the child's head
without a glance to see whether she'd just rather have crooked teeth or get braces
as an adult or whatever. There really ARE options.
I'm glad you shared all that Robyn, but I don't think you should feel so
guilty.
Sandra
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Robyn Coburn
<<<<< But it's hard do know when you're ten seconds from the tipping point
where everything starts to get sunny and bright and good.>>>>>
You are being too nice to me. I knew that it was not going to get sunny and
bright because I know Jayn. I had hoped it would become calm enough for Jayn
to at least open her mouth - and the only real surprise I got was the Oral
Surgeon #3 lady.
Now it is sunny and bright from the get go. Me: "Dr. Hila wants to check out
your cheek tomorrow." She: "Yay. She loves me, right?"
<<<<< It probably helps some that James and Keith are both big confident
guys, too. >>>>>
Big, confident teddy bears.
Big, confident chocolate covered marshmallows.
I was watching James and Jayn playing a game where they were taking turns
playing follow the leader with silly walks. It came to me that I never need
be afraid for Jayn. If I were to get run over today, James would be able and
willing to continue with this parenting path - he would find a way to
accomplish it. I asked him and he has said so with a kind of incredulous,
"Well of course I'd still Unschool - what are you thinking?!!?"
I feel very blessed because I know that there are Moms struggling with
bringing their husbands to the paradigm shift - which has nothing to do with
the father's love of their children - but I think James was always there and
was waiting for me to catch up.
He has a bit of bluster and way of talking himself out of his negative
feelings that I used to take as disagreement - but it's not. It's just his
way of playing devil's advocate with himself, if that makes sense. Sometimes
he just needs to verbalize the stupid, schoolish, coercive idea or solution
just to remind himself of how stupid, schoolish and coercive it is.
It sure has taken me a long time to get that about him. We've only been
married 8.5 years.
Robyn L. Coburn
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where everything starts to get sunny and bright and good.>>>>>
You are being too nice to me. I knew that it was not going to get sunny and
bright because I know Jayn. I had hoped it would become calm enough for Jayn
to at least open her mouth - and the only real surprise I got was the Oral
Surgeon #3 lady.
Now it is sunny and bright from the get go. Me: "Dr. Hila wants to check out
your cheek tomorrow." She: "Yay. She loves me, right?"
<<<<< It probably helps some that James and Keith are both big confident
guys, too. >>>>>
Big, confident teddy bears.
Big, confident chocolate covered marshmallows.
I was watching James and Jayn playing a game where they were taking turns
playing follow the leader with silly walks. It came to me that I never need
be afraid for Jayn. If I were to get run over today, James would be able and
willing to continue with this parenting path - he would find a way to
accomplish it. I asked him and he has said so with a kind of incredulous,
"Well of course I'd still Unschool - what are you thinking?!!?"
I feel very blessed because I know that there are Moms struggling with
bringing their husbands to the paradigm shift - which has nothing to do with
the father's love of their children - but I think James was always there and
was waiting for me to catch up.
He has a bit of bluster and way of talking himself out of his negative
feelings that I used to take as disagreement - but it's not. It's just his
way of playing devil's advocate with himself, if that makes sense. Sometimes
he just needs to verbalize the stupid, schoolish, coercive idea or solution
just to remind himself of how stupid, schoolish and coercive it is.
It sure has taken me a long time to get that about him. We've only been
married 8.5 years.
Robyn L. Coburn
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K Krejci
--- Robyn Coburn <dezigna@...> wrote:
her. If she can forgive you, you can probably forgive
yourself now, too. I think that is a two-way street
sometimes we baggage-laden grownups don't remember to
travel.
Kathy
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> providing). This was the worstI think you trust Jayn so it's a great time to believe
> thing that I did in terms of possible damage to our
> relationship a true
> deep regret that I have already apologized to Jayn
> for. She assures me that
> she has forgiven me.
her. If she can forgive you, you can probably forgive
yourself now, too. I think that is a two-way street
sometimes we baggage-laden grownups don't remember to
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Krisula Moyer
This thread wrapped up while I was away but I just wanted to add a PS.
Thank you, Robyn, for sharing the details of this story with us. We also
had some rather extensive pediatric dentistry done on Anika last year . She
was 4. She was frightened by a rather clueless receptionist in the first
office we tried but the dentist there referred us to a great Ped dds who was
also a surgeon. He said they always refer all their young patients to him.
The second office treated Anika with respect, went very slow, on my lap for
the initial exam and then for the surgery, the anesthesiologist came out to
give her Versed out in the waiting/play room with me. They waited until
she was in full twillight mode before moving her to the chair. They did all
her dental work while she was out including her fillings, extraction,
spacer, cleaning and flouride, so she wouldn't have to go through any more
procedures till her 6mo check up.
When we came back for the follow up 6 mo later the dentist asked if I were
brushing her teeth for her. When I said no, she does that herself he smiled
and told her what a good job she was doing. He explained that he encourages
all his parents to let the kids take control of it themselves so they will
learn to have their own good habits.
krisula
Thank you, Robyn, for sharing the details of this story with us. We also
had some rather extensive pediatric dentistry done on Anika last year . She
was 4. She was frightened by a rather clueless receptionist in the first
office we tried but the dentist there referred us to a great Ped dds who was
also a surgeon. He said they always refer all their young patients to him.
The second office treated Anika with respect, went very slow, on my lap for
the initial exam and then for the surgery, the anesthesiologist came out to
give her Versed out in the waiting/play room with me. They waited until
she was in full twillight mode before moving her to the chair. They did all
her dental work while she was out including her fillings, extraction,
spacer, cleaning and flouride, so she wouldn't have to go through any more
procedures till her 6mo check up.
When we came back for the follow up 6 mo later the dentist asked if I were
brushing her teeth for her. When I said no, she does that herself he smiled
and told her what a good job she was doing. He explained that he encourages
all his parents to let the kids take control of it themselves so they will
learn to have their own good habits.
krisula
Robyn Coburn
<<<< The second office treated Anika with respect, went very slow, on my lap
forthe initial exam and then for the surgery, the anesthesiologist came out
togive her Versed out in the waiting/play room with me. They waited until
she was in full twillight mode before moving her to the chair. They did all
her dental work while she was out including her fillings, extraction,
spacer, cleaning and flouride, so she wouldn't have to go through any more
procedures till her 6mo check up.
When we came back for the follow up 6 mo later the dentist asked if I were
brushing her teeth for her. When I said no, she does that herself he smiled
and told her what a good job she was doing. He explained that he encourages
all his parents to let the kids take control of it themselves so they will
learn to have their own good habits. >>>>
Sounds like you have found the right person.
Jayn has her stuff tomorrow, including some fillings and the extraction.
Robyn L. Coburn
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forthe initial exam and then for the surgery, the anesthesiologist came out
togive her Versed out in the waiting/play room with me. They waited until
she was in full twillight mode before moving her to the chair. They did all
her dental work while she was out including her fillings, extraction,
spacer, cleaning and flouride, so she wouldn't have to go through any more
procedures till her 6mo check up.
When we came back for the follow up 6 mo later the dentist asked if I were
brushing her teeth for her. When I said no, she does that herself he smiled
and told her what a good job she was doing. He explained that he encourages
all his parents to let the kids take control of it themselves so they will
learn to have their own good habits. >>>>
Sounds like you have found the right person.
Jayn has her stuff tomorrow, including some fillings and the extraction.
Robyn L. Coburn
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In a message dated 7/25/05 12:35:29 AM, dezigna@... writes:
None of my kids are afraid of dentists. I was and still am.
Sandra
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> Jayn has her stuff tomorrow, including some fillings and the extraction.I hope it goes really smoothly.
>
None of my kids are afraid of dentists. I was and still am.
Sandra
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Beth Monteverde
Robyn - Looking forward to hearing how it went.
Hugs,
Beth & Emmy :)
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<<<< The second office treated Anika with respect, went very slow, on my lap
forthe initial exam and then for the surgery, the anesthesiologist came out
togive her Versed out in the waiting/play room with me. They waited until
she was in full twillight mode before moving her to the chair. They did all
her dental work while she was out including her fillings, extraction,
spacer, cleaning and flouride, so she wouldn't have to go through any more
procedures till her 6mo check up.
When we came back for the follow up 6 mo later the dentist asked if I were
brushing her teeth for her. When I said no, she does that herself he smiled
and told her what a good job she was doing. He explained that he encourages
all his parents to let the kids take control of it themselves so they will
learn to have their own good habits. >>>>
Sounds like you have found the right person.
Jayn has her stuff tomorrow, including some fillings and the extraction.
Robyn L. Coburn
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Hugs,
Beth & Emmy :)
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robyn Coburn
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [UnschoolingDiscussion] RE: Re: Final part - teeth saga
<<<< The second office treated Anika with respect, went very slow, on my lap
forthe initial exam and then for the surgery, the anesthesiologist came out
togive her Versed out in the waiting/play room with me. They waited until
she was in full twillight mode before moving her to the chair. They did all
her dental work while she was out including her fillings, extraction,
spacer, cleaning and flouride, so she wouldn't have to go through any more
procedures till her 6mo check up.
When we came back for the follow up 6 mo later the dentist asked if I were
brushing her teeth for her. When I said no, she does that herself he smiled
and told her what a good job she was doing. He explained that he encourages
all his parents to let the kids take control of it themselves so they will
learn to have their own good habits. >>>>
Sounds like you have found the right person.
Jayn has her stuff tomorrow, including some fillings and the extraction.
Robyn L. Coburn
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