Dumbest thing ...
Mrs. Barley
I told a woma noriginally from France that I wasn't sending my boy to
school. She nearly went ape shit. She had been living in Africa some
years ago and encountered a young boy who was living in an African
village who for some reason [probably the family could not afford the
uniform - I hear this a lot] wasn't enrolled in school, and that
boy "was totally wild and crazy and could hardly talk". ?
school. She nearly went ape shit. She had been living in Africa some
years ago and encountered a young boy who was living in an African
village who for some reason [probably the family could not afford the
uniform - I hear this a lot] wasn't enrolled in school, and that
boy "was totally wild and crazy and could hardly talk". ?
my3sonsinva
I can think of so many dumb things I've heard over the years. One
was, won't he miss field day?? This is the one "fun" day of the
year for kids at school. Uh, sure, they want to suffer for 179 days
of school so they can go to one field day per year.
But, in regards to your comment, we know a lot of 1st/2nd generation
Americans due to chess club and they seem have the worst opinions of
homeschooling than most people we meet.
Barb in VA
--- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
was, won't he miss field day?? This is the one "fun" day of the
year for kids at school. Uh, sure, they want to suffer for 179 days
of school so they can go to one field day per year.
But, in regards to your comment, we know a lot of 1st/2nd generation
Americans due to chess club and they seem have the worst opinions of
homeschooling than most people we meet.
Barb in VA
--- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
> I told a woma noriginally from France that I wasn't sending my boyto
> school. She nearly went ape shit. She had been living in Africasome
> years ago and encountered a young boy who was living in an Africanthe
> village who for some reason [probably the family could not afford
> uniform - I hear this a lot] wasn't enrolled in school, and that
> boy "was totally wild and crazy and could hardly talk". ?
wifetovegman2002
--- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
homeschooling or unschooling, that is a fairly natural response. How
did you respond to her observation? Did you clue her in on how many
children are homeschooled here, and how it has become an accepted form
of education in the States?
Many people I know came to this country because of our wonderful
school system, with the dream of their children getting a better
education than was available in their country. They can't understand
why anyone would choose to homeschool when the education is free here.
I don't think I have ever met someone who came to America because they
wanted the freedom to homeschool their children. I have met friends
who later pulled their children out of the public schools and
homeschooled them when their expectations weren't realized, though.
~Susan (wifetovegman)
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
> I told a woma noriginally from France that I wasn't sending my boy toWell, I suppose if that was the woman's only experience with
> school. She nearly went ape shit. She had been living in Africa some
> years ago and encountered a young boy who was living in an African
> village who for some reason [probably the family could not afford the
> uniform - I hear this a lot] wasn't enrolled in school, and that
> boy "was totally wild and crazy and could hardly talk". ?
homeschooling or unschooling, that is a fairly natural response. How
did you respond to her observation? Did you clue her in on how many
children are homeschooled here, and how it has become an accepted form
of education in the States?
Many people I know came to this country because of our wonderful
school system, with the dream of their children getting a better
education than was available in their country. They can't understand
why anyone would choose to homeschool when the education is free here.
I don't think I have ever met someone who came to America because they
wanted the freedom to homeschool their children. I have met friends
who later pulled their children out of the public schools and
homeschooled them when their expectations weren't realized, though.
~Susan (wifetovegman)
Dawn Adams
--- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
She wouldn't have gotten the irony of course and would have thought it was a racist comment instead of one pointing out her stereotyping. Ah well.
Dawn (in NS)
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<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
> I told a woma noriginally from France that I wasn't sending my boy toThis is going to sound totally inappropriate but my first thought was it would have been funny to look concerned, open your eyes wide and say, "Oh! But maybe that was just because he was black?"
> school. She nearly went ape shit. She had been living in Africa some
> years ago and encountered a young boy who was living in an African
> village who for some reason [probably the family could not afford the
> uniform - I hear this a lot] wasn't enrolled in school, and that
> boy "was totally wild and crazy and could hardly talk". ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
She wouldn't have gotten the irony of course and would have thought it was a racist comment instead of one pointing out her stereotyping. Ah well.
Dawn (in NS)
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Mrs. Barley
--- In [email protected], "wifetovegman2002"
<wifetovegman2002@y...> wrote:
has highly educated relatives and in laws in her home country. Her
husband is highly educated. Her children have highly paid professions
and are married to spouses with professions, too (as opposed to
jobs). They are well-off and she gets involved in causes and appears
to know everything, if you get my drift.
I told her homeschooling is not that uncommon here, but she felt I
was borderline abusing my child. She becme quite angry; actually,
before this event, we were friends. I never spoke to her in the tone
she spoke to me. (I value my life.)
She had a part-time job assisting with medically-problematic
children in the regular classroom. "Lame ducks" is what she calls
them. I have come to understand that no matter what "problem" my
child should ever have, now or 10 years from now, or when he's 85, it
is going to be because he did not go to school - by his own choice
completely, by the way. It is a burder we parents have to bear, and
not think about it too much!
<wifetovegman2002@y...> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"boy to
> <chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
> > I told a woma noriginally from France that I wasn't sending my
> > school. She nearly went ape shit. She had been living in Africasome
> > years ago and encountered a young boy who was living in anAfrican
> > village who for some reason [probably the family could not affordthe
> > uniform - I hear this a lot] wasn't enrolled in school, and thatform
> > boy "was totally wild and crazy and could hardly talk". ?
>
>
> Well, I suppose if that was the woman's only experience with
> homeschooling or unschooling, that is a fairly natural response. How
> did you respond to her observation? Did you clue her in on how many
> children are homeschooled here, and how it has become an accepted
> of education in the States?understand
>
> Many people I know came to this country because of our wonderful
> school system, with the dream of their children getting a better
> education than was available in their country. They can't
> why anyone would choose to homeschool when the education is freehere.
>they
> I don't think I have ever met someone who came to America because
> wanted the freedom to homeschool their children. I have met friendsHi, it's Madame Barley here. This woman, an RN trained in France,
> who later pulled their children out of the public schools and
> homeschooled them when their expectations weren't realized, though.
>
> ~Susan (wifetovegman)
has highly educated relatives and in laws in her home country. Her
husband is highly educated. Her children have highly paid professions
and are married to spouses with professions, too (as opposed to
jobs). They are well-off and she gets involved in causes and appears
to know everything, if you get my drift.
I told her homeschooling is not that uncommon here, but she felt I
was borderline abusing my child. She becme quite angry; actually,
before this event, we were friends. I never spoke to her in the tone
she spoke to me. (I value my life.)
She had a part-time job assisting with medically-problematic
children in the regular classroom. "Lame ducks" is what she calls
them. I have come to understand that no matter what "problem" my
child should ever have, now or 10 years from now, or when he's 85, it
is going to be because he did not go to school - by his own choice
completely, by the way. It is a burder we parents have to bear, and
not think about it too much!
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/11/2005 12:14:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
my3sonsinva@... writes:
I can think of so many dumb things I've heard over the years. One
was, won't he miss field day??
----------
I must've heard "prom" 40 times over the year, and I just used to say "I
went to school and always had a boyfriend, and I never went to the prom." (I
might've, but my boyfriend was in a rock band and was always playing for
someone else's prom. And I really wasn't that kind of girl anyway, to doll up that
way.)
Then through no effort of his own, Kirby was invited to two proms. He went
to one, accidentally socially-botched the other (which was fine), paid for
his own extra-nice tux...
So...
Me, school, good student, boyfriend, no prom.
Kirby,
No school, prom and a half. <g>
Just last month one of the unschoolers some of you have read about (Liam
McClure) went to a prom. Danced swing. Wouldn't dance any of the other stuff,
I heard from his sister. But she said he cleaned up real well. (Twin
sister, btw.)
Sandra
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my3sonsinva@... writes:
I can think of so many dumb things I've heard over the years. One
was, won't he miss field day??
----------
I must've heard "prom" 40 times over the year, and I just used to say "I
went to school and always had a boyfriend, and I never went to the prom." (I
might've, but my boyfriend was in a rock band and was always playing for
someone else's prom. And I really wasn't that kind of girl anyway, to doll up that
way.)
Then through no effort of his own, Kirby was invited to two proms. He went
to one, accidentally socially-botched the other (which was fine), paid for
his own extra-nice tux...
So...
Me, school, good student, boyfriend, no prom.
Kirby,
No school, prom and a half. <g>
Just last month one of the unschoolers some of you have read about (Liam
McClure) went to a prom. Danced swing. Wouldn't dance any of the other stuff,
I heard from his sister. But she said he cleaned up real well. (Twin
sister, btw.)
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/11/2005 9:53:16 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
chosenbarley@... writes:
I have come to understand that no matter what "problem" my
child should ever have, now or 10 years from now, or when he's 85, it
is going to be because he did not go to school - by his own choice
completely, by the way.
You mean in the eyes of that woman?
Doesn't matter whether it was your child's choice, from her point of view.
And objectively, either. If that turns out to have been "a bad choice," then
it's the mom's fault for allowing him to make a bad choice.
Without choices, people don't risk as much guilt or failure.
People can have a measure of innocence and guiltlessness, but it costs
freedom and choice. And it DOES risk failure and disappointment every time, at
every turn.
Bummer about the prevalance of homeschooling is that it made school a choice
and spreads the guilt. And the better unschooling works, the more guilt
seeps into having chosen school at home.
I don't think it can be helped.
Sandra
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chosenbarley@... writes:
I have come to understand that no matter what "problem" my
child should ever have, now or 10 years from now, or when he's 85, it
is going to be because he did not go to school - by his own choice
completely, by the way.
You mean in the eyes of that woman?
Doesn't matter whether it was your child's choice, from her point of view.
And objectively, either. If that turns out to have been "a bad choice," then
it's the mom's fault for allowing him to make a bad choice.
Without choices, people don't risk as much guilt or failure.
People can have a measure of innocence and guiltlessness, but it costs
freedom and choice. And it DOES risk failure and disappointment every time, at
every turn.
Bummer about the prevalance of homeschooling is that it made school a choice
and spreads the guilt. And the better unschooling works, the more guilt
seeps into having chosen school at home.
I don't think it can be helped.
Sandra
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Tamara
"he did not go to school - by his own choice
I just wanted to say reading this made me so happy. My daughter also
has so much choice in her life, and being home is completely her
decision. (she's almost 10)
I love hearing that other people realize that their kids should have
control over their own destinies.
Tamara
(just been lurking over here but wanted to say thanks to all the
amazing parents!)
> completely, by the way."Hello
I just wanted to say reading this made me so happy. My daughter also
has so much choice in her life, and being home is completely her
decision. (she's almost 10)
I love hearing that other people realize that their kids should have
control over their own destinies.
Tamara
(just been lurking over here but wanted to say thanks to all the
amazing parents!)
wifetovegman2002
--- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
worth being friends with anyway. Dump her and move on.
~Susan (wifetovegman)
<chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
> She had a part-time job assisting with medically-problematicWell, anyone who would use such a term to describe a child wouldn't be
> children in the regular classroom. "Lame ducks" is what she calls
> them.
worth being friends with anyway. Dump her and move on.
~Susan (wifetovegman)
Mrs. Barley
--- In [email protected], "wifetovegman2002"
<wifetovegman2002@y...> wrote:
didn't like me, but she didn't say what they were.
I sure appreciate hearing everyone's response to my entry in The
Dumbest Thing...
Madame Barley.
<wifetovegman2002@y...> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Mrs. Barley"She dumped ME, Susan. Long ago. Maybe there was other reasons she
> <chosenbarley@y...> wrote:
>
> > She had a part-time job assisting with medically-problematic
> > children in the regular classroom. "Lame ducks" is what she calls
> > them.
>
>
> Well, anyone who would use such a term to describe a child wouldn't be
> worth being friends with anyway. Dump her and move on.
>
> ~Susan (wifetovegman)
didn't like me, but she didn't say what they were.
I sure appreciate hearing everyone's response to my entry in The
Dumbest Thing...
Madame Barley.
April M
Same here. I never went to prom...and never really regretted it. It's a
question I never dreamed I would be asked...but suddenly I have teens and I
get the "what about prom?" question....It's not like everyone goes to prom
anyway and my kids have other 'dress-up' opportunities...or they make their
own. Of all the things to be concerned about, I think prom is pretty low on
the list....
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-16, Karl-14, & Ben-9.
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In a message dated 6/11/2005 12:14:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
my3sonsinva@... writes:
I can think of so many dumb things I've heard over the years. One
was, won't he miss field day??
----------
I must've heard "prom" 40 times over the year, and I just used to say "I
went to school and always had a boyfriend, and I never went to the prom."
(I
might've, but my boyfriend was in a rock band and was always playing for
someone else's prom. And I really wasn't that kind of girl anyway, to
doll up that
way.)
Then through no effort of his own, Kirby was invited to two proms. He
went
to one, accidentally socially-botched the other (which was fine), paid for
his own extra-nice tux...
So...
Me, school, good student, boyfriend, no prom.
Kirby,
No school, prom and a half. <g>
Just last month one of the unschoolers some of you have read about (Liam
McClure) went to a prom. Danced swing. Wouldn't dance any of the other
stuff,
I heard from his sister. But she said he cleaned up real well. (Twin
sister, btw.)
Sandra
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question I never dreamed I would be asked...but suddenly I have teens and I
get the "what about prom?" question....It's not like everyone goes to prom
anyway and my kids have other 'dress-up' opportunities...or they make their
own. Of all the things to be concerned about, I think prom is pretty low on
the list....
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-16, Karl-14, & Ben-9.
*REACH Homeschool Grp, an inclusive group in Oakland County
http://www.homeschoolingonashoestring.com/REACH_home.html
* Michigan Unschoolers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michigan_unschoolers/
*Check out Chuck's art! http://www.artkunst23.com
*Michigan Youth Theater...Acting On Our Dreams...
http://www.michiganyouththeater.org/
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success."
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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: Dumbest thing ...
In a message dated 6/11/2005 12:14:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
my3sonsinva@... writes:
I can think of so many dumb things I've heard over the years. One
was, won't he miss field day??
----------
I must've heard "prom" 40 times over the year, and I just used to say "I
went to school and always had a boyfriend, and I never went to the prom."
(I
might've, but my boyfriend was in a rock band and was always playing for
someone else's prom. And I really wasn't that kind of girl anyway, to
doll up that
way.)
Then through no effort of his own, Kirby was invited to two proms. He
went
to one, accidentally socially-botched the other (which was fine), paid for
his own extra-nice tux...
So...
Me, school, good student, boyfriend, no prom.
Kirby,
No school, prom and a half. <g>
Just last month one of the unschoolers some of you have read about (Liam
McClure) went to a prom. Danced swing. Wouldn't dance any of the other
stuff,
I heard from his sister. But she said he cleaned up real well. (Twin
sister, btw.)
Sandra
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