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I have a lot to say about Albuquerque today and it could affect everyone
here, but first this:

-=-Tami, a recovering vegetarian, who just might be considered crazy for
making
a trans pacific, space available military flight with 3 children under the
age of 5, but will do it anyway just to spend time in NM and eat yet another
Blake’s Lotaburger! So there!-=-

Cameron Lovejoy, Kelly & Ben's older son, was here in February.
Cameron doesn't really eat meat, and especially doesn't eat beef.
Cameron ate a Lotaburger at the old Blake's on the north side of Santa Fe.
I bet he won't hesitate to eat another one when he's here next time.

I'm not sure when's the next time Cameron will be here, but I think he WILL
be back, and it might be for a Live and Learn conference in Old Town, because
I've put in to be in line for some upcoming year.

I'm looking at using the Sheraton Old Town. In fact, if I can't get that
hotel, I don't want to do the conference. There are half a dozen reasons for
this.
1. CLOSE walk to Old Town itself, lots of 200 year old buildings from
territorial/cowboy days.
2. Close walk to Albuquerque Museum: art, history, chain mail and armor
including full plate Horse armor from Conquistadores, and lots of 16th/17th
century weapons and helmets.
3. Close walk to National Atomic Museum (which used to be on Kirtland
Airforce Base but was moved to Old Town near other museums, such as...
4. State Museum of Natural History: Mostly dinosaurs and other evolutionary
stuff. Not a good museum for creationists, which is fine with me.
Planetarium, observatory, Imax theatre, GREAT snack bar, other stuff, next door to...
5. Explora Hands on Science Museum (before it came to this permanent
building and was in a series of four temporary sites it was known as Explora
Children's Museum), THE best museum.
6. Tiguex Park, a city park with lots of grass (big deal in New Mexico) and
play equipment--mainly a big round obstacle course sort of thing on a padded
surface, and outdoor chessboard tables.

WAIT! I got to six and hadn't gotten to the last-but-not-least
BLAKE'S LOTABURGER right across the street from the hotel.

There's a Little Anita's to the south near Old Town (mid-priced New Mexican
restaurant).

Catholics could go mass at San Felipe church, a beautiful old mission-style
adobe church on the plaza in Old Town. (Well others could too, I suppose.)

So if the conference can be where families can walk to great museums and a
play area, and go and buy souvenirs in Old Town without ever needing to rent a
car at all, THAT is a place worth having a conference.

Sandra



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Danielle Conger

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>I'm not sure when's the next time Cameron will be here, but I think he WILL
>be back, and it might be for a Live and Learn conference in Old Town, because
>I've put in to be in line for some upcoming year.
>
OOOHH! OOOHHH! Yes! I would be *so* happy to have a chance to go back to
Albuquerque, where we lived for two years. And the thought of having the
conference there at approx. the same time as the annual chili roasting
season sends my mouth to watering. We could not only see old friends and
enjoy wonderful places we miss, but we could bring a garbage bag full of
roasted green chilis home with us for the freezer!

And, fwiw, there's nothing quite like a Blake's green chili
cheeseburger, and the onion rings are to die for, if I recall.

Then for all you Margharita lovers, Gardunos is always a fun place to
hang for drinks, though it's more commercial than some of the really
good New Mexican food places.

Oooh, and everyone has to try the sopapillas!

Can you tell I'm a little excited?

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SandraDodd@... wrote:

> I have a lot to say about Albuquerque today and it could affect everyone
> here, but first this:
>
> -=-Tami, a recovering vegetarian, who just might be considered crazy for
> making
> a trans pacific, space available military flight with 3 children
> under the
> age of 5, but will do it anyway just to spend time in NM and eat yet
> another
> Blake’s Lotaburger! So there!-=-
>
> Cameron Lovejoy, Kelly & Ben's older son, was here in February.
> Cameron doesn't really eat meat, and especially doesn't eat beef.
> Cameron ate a Lotaburger at the old Blake's on the north side of
> Santa Fe.
> I bet he won't hesitate to eat another one when he's here next time.
>
> I'm not sure when's the next time Cameron will be here, but I think he
> WILL
> be back, and it might be for a Live and Learn conference in Old Town,
> because
> I've put in to be in line for some upcoming year.
>
> I'm looking at using the Sheraton Old Town. In fact, if I can't get
> that
> hotel, I don't want to do the conference. There are half a dozen
> reasons for
> this.
> 1. CLOSE walk to Old Town itself, lots of 200 year old buildings from
> territorial/cowboy days.
> 2. Close walk to Albuquerque Museum: art, history, chain mail and armor
> including full plate Horse armor from Conquistadores, and lots of
> 16th/17th
> century weapons and helmets.
> 3. Close walk to National Atomic Museum (which used to be on Kirtland
> Airforce Base but was moved to Old Town near other museums, such as...
> 4. State Museum of Natural History: Mostly dinosaurs and other
> evolutionary
> stuff. Not a good museum for creationists, which is fine with me.
> Planetarium, observatory, Imax theatre, GREAT snack bar, other stuff,
> next door to...
> 5. Explora Hands on Science Museum (before it came to this permanent
> building and was in a series of four temporary sites it was known as
> Explora
> Children's Museum), THE best museum.
> 6. Tiguex Park, a city park with lots of grass (big deal in New
> Mexico) and
> play equipment--mainly a big round obstacle course sort of thing on a
> padded
> surface, and outdoor chessboard tables.
>
> WAIT! I got to six and hadn't gotten to the last-but-not-least
> BLAKE'S LOTABURGER right across the street from the hotel.

You forgot:
A little bit farther but still pretty easy walking distance to the
Aquarium and Botanical Gardens, which will soon have a completed
railroad connecting it to the Zoo and Tingley "beach", an area with
ponds for fishing and other recreation.

A close drive or easy bike to the Rio Grande Nature Center which has
beautiful walking trails along the Rio Grande.

5 minutes by car from Downtown, which has been "revitalized" over the
last 10 years and now has swanky clubs, coffee shops, a movie theater,
fancy restaurants, and (from what I hear) pretty decent shopping.

You can also drive 30 to 60 miles in any direction from Albuquerque and
be in 4 totally different climates/vegetation zones--almost like
visiting a completely different state.

>
> There's a Little Anita's to the south near Old Town (mid-priced New
> Mexican
> restaurant).
>
> Catholics could go mass at San Felipe church, a beautiful old
> mission-style
> adobe church on the plaza in Old Town. (Well others could too, I
> suppose.)
>
> So if the conference can be where families can walk to great museums
> and a
> play area, and go and buy souvenirs in Old Town without ever needing
> to rent a
> car at all, THAT is a place worth having a conference.


No doubt. And the best reason is: I can get my husband to go!!!

Count me in, Sandra. I'll be available to help.

Jenny

>

Sylvia Toyama

I'm not sure when's the next time Cameron will be here, but I think he WILL be back, and it might be for a Live and Learn conference in Old Town, because I've put in to be in line for some upcoming year.

****

Sounds great! Add me to the volunteers list.

To the list of interesting activities, by then the Tingley Beach project will be finished, combining the bio-park, zoo and fishing ponds/park area.

Sylvia

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In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:49:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
danielle.conger@... writes:

Gardunos is always a fun place to
hang for drinks, though it's more commercial than some of the really
good New Mexican food places.




==========

It's my favorite, though, hands down.

Albuquerque has a law about liquor sales too close to a church, so I think
the fancy restaurant on the plaza (that's in an old hotel) might not be able to
serve drinks because of San Felipe church. There should be margaritas in
the hotel, though, and over at the lounge on the north side of Old Town, the
name of which is escaping me.

Old Town is just about 4 blocks by four, and SMALL, little old oxcart roads.
And it is TRULY near the hotel. The hotel in Sacramento where they have
the HSC conference is itself a footpad of about the size of this entire area
I've described where the four museums, park and old town are.

-=-And, fwiw, there's nothing quite like a Blake's green chili
cheeseburger, and the onion rings are to die for, if I recall.-=-

Seasoned fries. BBQ sandwich. Yes, it's the smallest menu and the finest
quality food EVER. Some of the Blakes' are serving breakfast now. Breakfast
burritos. That's the menu. <G> I don't if this one does or will by
whichever year we're fantasizing about.

Holly and a friend and I were in Old Town Tuesday, and I looked around for
another hotel in case of overflow. (My #1 fear is we can't get this hotel,
and #2 is that it's not big enough.) There's a Best Western two blocks north,
right next to I-40.

I didn't mention the hotel's like three blocks from I-40, and the airport is
fifteen minutes by freeway, no tricky driving. And our family owns two vans
and has two accident-free teen drivers , and the hotel might have a shuttle.
People might not need to rent a car, or at least not until after the
conference if they want to stick around and do more touristing. And for those who
can fly Southwest, that's usually pretty inexpensive.

Sandra


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Jen A

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:49:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> danielle.conger@... writes:
>
> Gardunos is always a fun place to
> hang for drinks, though it's more commercial than some of the really
> good New Mexican food places.
>
>
>
>
> ==========
>
> It's my favorite, though, hands down.
>
> Albuquerque has a law about liquor sales too close to a church, so I
> think
> the fancy restaurant on the plaza (that's in an old hotel) might not
> be able to
> serve drinks because of San Felipe church. There should be margaritas
> in
> the hotel, though, and over at the lounge on the north side of Old
> Town, the
> name of which is escaping me.

Oh no, that restaruant definitely serves margaritas--if it's the one I'm
thinking about--directly to the East of the church? I had a margarita
there the first week I lived in Albuquerque and I've had several since!

The best margaritas in town are at Sadie's, though. That's about 15
minutes away from Old Town.

Jenny

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In a message dated 4/29/2005 9:45:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
salten@... writes:

A little bit farther but still pretty easy walking distance to the
Aquarium and Botanical Gardens,


-----------

It's over a mile, isn't it?
Maybe it's closer than I think.

Good zoo. Small but very good aquarium.


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In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:45:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
salten@... writes:

I'm looking at using the Sheraton Old Town. In fact, if I can't get
> that
> hotel, I don't want to do the conference.


I was in Albuquerque in January and went to the Sheraton Old Town one night
to hear a local songwriter/singer (Susan Clark) perform. I mentioned to my
brother that it would be a perfect place for the unschooling conference that we
go to every year. Just couldn't get much better than that location.

Then, this past week, my husband got a job offer in Albuquerque. We both
grew up in New Mexico (met in Texas though) and haven't lived there in 25
years. How weird that we might end up back somewhere we both consider home and
how cool that we would know some other unschoolers! Top that off with a
future Live and Learn conference and I'd be packing my bags for that long trek
from Florida.

Gail


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InI'm looking at using the Sheraton Old Town. In fact, if I can't get
> that
> hotel, I don't want to do the conference.



Sorry about that....It was


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Katy Jennings

Ok, I realize that since I am a vegetarian I might just not *get* it, but we have a Blake's Lotaburger down here in southern NM and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. I have lots of carnivorous friends and have never heard that Lotaburger was that great, though it was a big hangout when I was in high school. Is the Albuquerque Lotaburger really that good?
Katy
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Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Albuquerque (was a question about Arizona)

WAIT! I got to six and hadn't gotten to the last-but-not-least
BLAKE'S LOTABURGER right across the street from the hotel.


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In a message dated 4/29/2005 2:20:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
kjennings95@... writes:

Is the Albuquerque Lotaburger really that good?



WAY too far from topic now.
And if you're vegetarian you don't really have a need to know.

They're all the same. Crap for vegetarians and exceptionally good
hamburgers for hamburger eaters. (Good fries too.) It's a New Mexico chain from the
late 50's I think. The one in Espanola is still one of the original walk-up
buildings. In Albuquerque, neighborhoods can be dated by the architecture of
the Blakes'. Several are other things now, but those who know the original
building (the walk-ups, like that one in Santa Fe) see where they were and
know within a few years when that spot was last a vacant lot. <g>

Sandra


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Jordan

Hemm, Hemmm, (Raising hand tentatively)—
I know it’s probably pretty hard to hear me from all the way over here in
Japan, but I have to add my .02 on the Albuquerque thing—

--Have you tried Gezamboni’s? It’s on the corner of Rio Grande and (I
think) Griegos? It sorta looks like its gonna fall down any time, but it is
truly awesome! Not really New Mexican food, but they do have a good green
chilie cheeseburger, and they will make you a veggie burger version if you
want! The wine margaritas rock!!

--For the record, the OLD Sadie’s (in the bowling alley) was WAY better. My
FIL says that the clean, new, kitchen in the new building destroyed the food
LOL :-) .

--Speaking of my FIL, though not an unschooler himself, he’s still about the
“unschooliest” guy I’ve ever known, and he’s a big fly-fishing guy. He’d be
thrilled to take anyone who wanted to go on a side trip to the San Juan for
fly-fishing and back country camping. He’s also a New Mexico history book
in his own right, not to mention a master furniture maker with a fully
equipped shop just down the road from Old Town. Think of the, what do you
call them—funshop-- opportunities?

--We’ve got at least one 7 passenger van and a pick-up to help with airport
and luggage stuff.

--SONIC!

-- And, lest we forget, Frontier cinnamon rolls! I think we could fit
about, oh, several hundred or so in our van!

Tami, who at this moment would happily trade fresh-from-the-ocean-sushi for
a Sonic coke.

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Arizona)

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:49:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> danielle.conger@... writes:
>
> Gardunos is always a fun place to
> hang for drinks, though it's more commercial than some of the really
> good New Mexican food places.
>
>
>
>
> ==========
>
> It's my favorite, though, hands down.
>
> Albuquerque has a law about liquor sales too close to a church, so I
> think
> the fancy restaurant on the plaza (that's in an old hotel) might not
> be able to
> serve drinks because of San Felipe church. There should be margaritas
> in
> the hotel, though, and over at the lounge on the north side of Old
> Town, the
> name of which is escaping me.

Oh no, that restaruant definitely serves margaritas--if it's the one I'm
thinking about--directly to the East of the church? I had a margarita
there the first week I lived in Albuquerque and I've had several since!

The best margaritas in town are at Sadie's, though. That's about 15
minutes away from Old Town.

Jenny


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Pam Sorooshian

Hey - how about a camping trip in New Mexico in the late spring - a
year from now? (Assuming that it is going to be a while before the NM
conference happens.)

Or - a month or two from now?


-pam


On Apr 29, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Jordan wrote:

> --Speaking of my FIL, though not an unschooler himself, he’s still
> about the
> “unschooliest” guy I’ve ever known, and he’s a big fly-fishing guy.
> He’d be
> thrilled to take anyone who wanted to go on a side trip to the San
> Juan for
> fly-fishing and back country camping. He’s also a New Mexico history
> book
> in his own right, not to mention a master furniture maker with a fully
> equipped shop just down the road from Old Town. Think of the, what do
> you
> call them—funshop-- opportunities?

Jordan

I vote for a month or two-it's hard to camp in NM from Japan, and since I'll
actually BE in NM in a month or two, that sounds good to me!
Tami-who wonders if pitching a tent outside "Bound to Be Read" counts as
camping?

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Arizona)

Hey - how about a camping trip in New Mexico in the late spring - a
year from now? (Assuming that it is going to be a while before the NM
conference happens.)

Or - a month or two from now?


-pam


On Apr 29, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Jordan wrote:

> --Speaking of my FIL, though not an unschooler himself, he's still
> about the
> "unschooliest" guy I've ever known, and he's a big fly-fishing guy.
> He'd be
> thrilled to take anyone who wanted to go on a side trip to the San
> Juan for
> fly-fishing and back country camping. He's also a New Mexico history
> book
> in his own right, not to mention a master furniture maker with a fully
> equipped shop just down the road from Old Town. Think of the, what do
> you
> call them-funshop-- opportunities?



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In a message dated 4/29/05 7:17:43 PM, pamsoroosh@... writes:

<< Hey - how about a camping trip in New Mexico in the late spring -

Or - a month or two from now? >>

It will be very, very hot a month or two from now.
And though it's kid of inconceivable to people from most places, our camping
places tend not to have running water. No flush toilets. Noplace to wash
hands. No ... you know... *running water* in the form of rivers or streams.

Desert.

Water is brought in plastic containers.

People from other places tend to complain about that. <g>

On the other hand, there are a few places that could accommodate smallish
groups.

Sandra

Pam Sorooshian

We camp at Joshua Tree - out in the desert - no water, no flush
toilets, etc.

So - okay by me.

But - when IS good camping time - March? April? Surely February is too
early.

-pam

On Apr 29, 2005, at 6:54 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

> It will be very, very hot a month or two from now.
> And though it's kid of inconceivable to people from most places, our
> camping
> places tend not to have running water. No flush toilets. Noplace to
> wash
> hands. No ... you know... *running water* in the form of rivers or
> streams.

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In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:12:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:

We camp at Joshua Tree - out in the desert - no water, no flush
toilets, etc.

So - okay by me.

But - when IS good camping time - March? April? Surely February is too
early.


--------------

Well late summer's okay if we go to the Jemez Mountains, up high.
Getting here by car, through Arizona, or from Texas, in summer can be a drag.

It gets too cold by October, though.

Keith would be willing to help me organize a camping thang, I bet.

Sandra


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In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:13:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
atj090@... writes:

I vote for a month or two-it's hard to camp in NM from Japan, and since I'll
actually BE in NM in a month or two, that sounds good to me!


Good reason.

But I wouldn't want anyone to come to camp instead of going to a real hotel
conference with speakers and workshops and all that.

Roxana Sorooshian might want to have it planned around an opera she'd like
to see in Santa Fe.

Sandra


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