Kirby and discipline and school
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Holly just came and quoted Homer Simpson to me:
"I guess I just don't have the discipline to be a hippie."
Kirby got a D on his first essay in English 101. I told him he could quit
English if he wants. Honestly, this teacher is repressive and boring and he
said his workmate in there who got a B (there were no A's) was ranting about
how awful the course is and how arbitrary the teacher is, and she's thinking
of quitting it. Meanwhile his friend Renee is in English 120 and says her
teacher is very interesting and all laid back.
He likes the math and college success classes. But I agree with him about
the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that that's not
enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not underlining the thesis
sentence, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs were less than 100
words. So that was a C before she even read a word.
The tuition is a loss, but just like not finishing a dozen donuts just
because you paid for them, it's better for him to suffer less and not have a D or
an F on a report card, and a LOT of bitter essay-writing memories than for
him to wait and try another semester for a teacher he likes better.
As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
trauma than he is.
The first grade in his entire life, and it's a D. That wounds my soul, but
his own soul is strong and whole and seems fine!
Sandra
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"I guess I just don't have the discipline to be a hippie."
Kirby got a D on his first essay in English 101. I told him he could quit
English if he wants. Honestly, this teacher is repressive and boring and he
said his workmate in there who got a B (there were no A's) was ranting about
how awful the course is and how arbitrary the teacher is, and she's thinking
of quitting it. Meanwhile his friend Renee is in English 120 and says her
teacher is very interesting and all laid back.
He likes the math and college success classes. But I agree with him about
the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that that's not
enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not underlining the thesis
sentence, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs were less than 100
words. So that was a C before she even read a word.
The tuition is a loss, but just like not finishing a dozen donuts just
because you paid for them, it's better for him to suffer less and not have a D or
an F on a report card, and a LOT of bitter essay-writing memories than for
him to wait and try another semester for a teacher he likes better.
As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
trauma than he is.
The first grade in his entire life, and it's a D. That wounds my soul, but
his own soul is strong and whole and seems fine!
Sandra
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Johanna San Inocencio
Could he withdraw and take it again next semester, maybe with a
different teacher?
Johanna
" A man is as free as he chooses to make himself, never an atom freer."
The Raven, Lillith by George MacDonald
SandraDodd@... wrote:
different teacher?
Johanna
" A man is as free as he chooses to make himself, never an atom freer."
The Raven, Lillith by George MacDonald
SandraDodd@... wrote:
> Holly just came and quoted Homer Simpson to me:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> "I guess I just don't have the discipline to be a hippie."
>
>
>
> Kirby got a D on his first essay in English 101. I told him he could
> quit
> English if he wants. Honestly, this teacher is repressive and boring
> and he
> said his workmate in there who got a B (there were no A's) was
> ranting about
> how awful the course is and how arbitrary the teacher is, and she's
> thinking
> of quitting it. Meanwhile his friend Renee is in English 120 and
> says her
> teacher is very interesting and all laid back.
>
> He likes the math and college success classes. But I agree with him
> about
> the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that
> that's not
> enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not underlining the
> thesis
> sentence, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs were less
> than 100
> words. So that was a C before she even read a word.
>
> The tuition is a loss, but just like not finishing a dozen donuts just
> because you paid for them, it's better for him to suffer less and not
> have a D or
> an F on a report card, and a LOT of bitter essay-writing memories than
> for
> him to wait and try another semester for a teacher he likes better.
>
> As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
> trauma than he is.
>
> The first grade in his entire life, and it's a D. That wounds my
> soul, but
> his own soul is strong and whole and seems fine!
>
> Sandra
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<<<<He likes the math and college success classes. But I agree with him
about the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that
that's not enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not
underlining the thesis, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs
were less than 100 words. So that was a C before she even read a
word.>>>>>
As Madeline says "Pooh pooh"! And of course in the real world of writing
these are the kind of issues that in the first instance the typographer
might handle (if I am taking the meaning of "underlining" aright), and in
the second would be noted by his editor (*if* it was important for some
reason) and worked on with him. Merely saying he "wrote well" isn't really
very helpful in terms of constructive criticism to help him get better at
academic writing.
Is it Strunk and White who authored "The Elements of Style"? That was
recommended a lot when I was in college.
<<<<As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
trauma than he is.>>>>>
It's probably a long way in the future for me, but hearing how you are
handling this emotional stuff is very helpful, in a "store it up" kind of
way. I hope you keep on sharing.
Robyn L. Coburn
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about the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that
that's not enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not
underlining the thesis, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs
were less than 100 words. So that was a C before she even read a
word.>>>>>
As Madeline says "Pooh pooh"! And of course in the real world of writing
these are the kind of issues that in the first instance the typographer
might handle (if I am taking the meaning of "underlining" aright), and in
the second would be noted by his editor (*if* it was important for some
reason) and worked on with him. Merely saying he "wrote well" isn't really
very helpful in terms of constructive criticism to help him get better at
academic writing.
Is it Strunk and White who authored "The Elements of Style"? That was
recommended a lot when I was in college.
<<<<As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
trauma than he is.>>>>>
It's probably a long way in the future for me, but hearing how you are
handling this emotional stuff is very helpful, in a "store it up" kind of
way. I hope you keep on sharing.
Robyn L. Coburn
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Elizabeth Hill
Just a suggestion.
Some English teachers are big on rewriting being part of the process.
So adding some ideas or some verbiage to the shorter paragraphs and
underlining the silly thesis statement(s) may be enough to significantly
improve the grade. If the paper was done on the computer, this could be
done pretty quickly.
Betsy
** He likes the math and college success classes. But I agree with him
about
the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that that's
not
enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not underlining the
thesis
sentence, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs were less
than 100
words. So that was a C before she even read a word.**
Some English teachers are big on rewriting being part of the process.
So adding some ideas or some verbiage to the shorter paragraphs and
underlining the silly thesis statement(s) may be enough to significantly
improve the grade. If the paper was done on the computer, this could be
done pretty quickly.
Betsy
** He likes the math and college success classes. But I agree with him
about
the English paper. The teacher told him he wrote well, but that that's
not
enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not underlining the
thesis
sentence, and another 10 points off because some paragraphs were less
than 100
words. So that was a C before she even read a word.**
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2005 7:05:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
Some English teachers are big on rewriting being part of the process.
So adding some ideas or some verbiage to the shorter paragraphs and
underlining the silly thesis statement(s) may be enough to significantly
improve the grade. If the paper was done on the computer, this could be
done pretty quickly.
That was the final deal, it's over, it's a D, no reprieve.
He said every day of class there have been more people missing. That was
even before first big grading day. Four each of B, C, D and F. When he fist
went to that class he said there were about 25 people. Now 16. So it's not
just Kirby's newness to the situation. People who've been to school for 13
years or more are bailing too.
Sandra
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ecsamhill@... writes:
Some English teachers are big on rewriting being part of the process.
So adding some ideas or some verbiage to the shorter paragraphs and
underlining the silly thesis statement(s) may be enough to significantly
improve the grade. If the paper was done on the computer, this could be
done pretty quickly.
That was the final deal, it's over, it's a D, no reprieve.
He said every day of class there have been more people missing. That was
even before first big grading day. Four each of B, C, D and F. When he fist
went to that class he said there were about 25 people. Now 16. So it's not
just Kirby's newness to the situation. People who've been to school for 13
years or more are bailing too.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2005 7:58:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dezigna@... writes:
<<<<As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
trauma than he is.>>>>>
-=-It's probably a long way in the future for me, but hearing how you are
handling this emotional stuff is very helpful, in a "store it up" kind of
way. I hope you keep on sharing.-=-
----------
Someone gave my never-graded little baby a D!!!!!
I'm likely to wake up in the middle of the night thinking "Kirby got a D!"
Kirby is likely to play Halo until 2:00 in the morning, and then sleep like
a happy unschooled baby. <G>
Sandra
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dezigna@... writes:
<<<<As usual, since this school-contact began, I'm suffering more emotional
trauma than he is.>>>>>
-=-It's probably a long way in the future for me, but hearing how you are
handling this emotional stuff is very helpful, in a "store it up" kind of
way. I hope you keep on sharing.-=-
----------
Someone gave my never-graded little baby a D!!!!!
I'm likely to wake up in the middle of the night thinking "Kirby got a D!"
Kirby is likely to play Halo until 2:00 in the morning, and then sleep like
a happy unschooled baby. <G>
Sandra
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Julie Bogart
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
all those years at home and suddenly a C in a subject he's good at. It infuriated me and
stressed me and eventually drove me to unschooling totally. :)
I'm stunned at the ridiculousness this teacher is calling writing. Shame on her! Gives
writing teachers everywhere a bad name.
Pull him out of that class. That's what you'd tell us to do. ;-)
There are other teachers, other semesters...
Julie B
>Lol! This is precisely what happened to me when Noah got a C in his Algebra class. After
> Someone gave my never-graded little baby a D!!!!!
>
> I'm likely to wake up in the middle of the night thinking "Kirby got a D!"
> Kirby is likely to play Halo until 2:00 in the morning, and then sleep like
> a happy unschooled baby. <G>
all those years at home and suddenly a C in a subject he's good at. It infuriated me and
stressed me and eventually drove me to unschooling totally. :)
I'm stunned at the ridiculousness this teacher is calling writing. Shame on her! Gives
writing teachers everywhere a bad name.
Pull him out of that class. That's what you'd tell us to do. ;-)
There are other teachers, other semesters...
Julie B
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2005 8:13:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
johannasan@... writes:
Could he withdraw and take it again next semester, maybe with a
different teacher?
======
Maybe so, yes.
But in fall, we need to go to St. Louis so that might not be a good time.<g>
Sandra
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johannasan@... writes:
Could he withdraw and take it again next semester, maybe with a
different teacher?
======
Maybe so, yes.
But in fall, we need to go to St. Louis so that might not be a good time.<g>
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2005 8:25:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
julie@... writes:
-=-Pull him out of that class. That's what you'd tell us to do. ;-)-=-
It felt good to make the offer and his eyes light up, but hey--when we went
to the oral surgeon to arrange to get his wisdom teeth out, he signed all the
forms. He's 18, and he can pull himownself out of that class if he wants
to. But I can stand by and say "No problem, English classes will be with us
always."
And I think even just that brush with formal essay writing with picky
requirements will be enough to make him a little more aware, for a while, of the
details in the writing he sees around him. And that in itself will probably be
a better writing exercise than sticking with this course of humor-free,
rule-filled schoolitude.
What I liked about his essay was that he focused on the good and responsible
mothering of the subject. Others might have characterized her as an
entrepreneur or as someone who overcame prejudice, but Kirby showed her as a
self-sacrificing mother.
So there. <g>
Sandra
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julie@... writes:
-=-Pull him out of that class. That's what you'd tell us to do. ;-)-=-
It felt good to make the offer and his eyes light up, but hey--when we went
to the oral surgeon to arrange to get his wisdom teeth out, he signed all the
forms. He's 18, and he can pull himownself out of that class if he wants
to. But I can stand by and say "No problem, English classes will be with us
always."
And I think even just that brush with formal essay writing with picky
requirements will be enough to make him a little more aware, for a while, of the
details in the writing he sees around him. And that in itself will probably be
a better writing exercise than sticking with this course of humor-free,
rule-filled schoolitude.
What I liked about his essay was that he focused on the good and responsible
mothering of the subject. Others might have characterized her as an
entrepreneur or as someone who overcame prejudice, but Kirby showed her as a
self-sacrificing mother.
So there. <g>
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2005 8:57:47 PM Central Standard Time,
dezigna@... writes:
Merely saying he "wrote well" isn't really
very helpful in terms of constructive criticism to help him get better at
academic writing.
~~~
Yeah. I'm wondering, Sandra, if the instructor knows that Kirby's never
been to school?
"Wrote well" seems like a backhanded compliment to me. Throwing him a
bone...
Karen
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dezigna@... writes:
Merely saying he "wrote well" isn't really
very helpful in terms of constructive criticism to help him get better at
academic writing.
~~~
Yeah. I'm wondering, Sandra, if the instructor knows that Kirby's never
been to school?
"Wrote well" seems like a backhanded compliment to me. Throwing him a
bone...
Karen
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/31/2005 9:11:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
-=-Yeah. I'm wondering, Sandra, if the instructor knows that Kirby's never
been to school?-=-
When he first went to each class, he offered the teacher an apple, and said
something like, "I've never been to school before, but I saw this in a movie,
and so I thought..." or something to that effect. They all declined
politely, he said, and he brought the apple home.
She knows. Nothing personal or individual about any of the students matters.
There are pages and pages of explanation of how many points will be taken
off for what faults, how many points off if you arrive for your one-on-one
appointment without 3x5 cards, how many points if you don't show up at all, etc.
The course is set. The pawns are interchangeable and there are no
personal relationships expected, required, or accepted.
-=-"Wrote well" seems like a backhanded compliment to me. Throwing him a
bone...-=-
I think it's an admission that her goal isn't about writing, it's about
showing them how to "be academics." It's about conformity and "cooperation"
(when cooperation means blind following for the good of the group, but her group
is dwindling).
Sandra
Sandra
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tuckervill2@... writes:
-=-Yeah. I'm wondering, Sandra, if the instructor knows that Kirby's never
been to school?-=-
When he first went to each class, he offered the teacher an apple, and said
something like, "I've never been to school before, but I saw this in a movie,
and so I thought..." or something to that effect. They all declined
politely, he said, and he brought the apple home.
She knows. Nothing personal or individual about any of the students matters.
There are pages and pages of explanation of how many points will be taken
off for what faults, how many points off if you arrive for your one-on-one
appointment without 3x5 cards, how many points if you don't show up at all, etc.
The course is set. The pawns are interchangeable and there are no
personal relationships expected, required, or accepted.
-=-"Wrote well" seems like a backhanded compliment to me. Throwing him a
bone...-=-
I think it's an admission that her goal isn't about writing, it's about
showing them how to "be academics." It's about conformity and "cooperation"
(when cooperation means blind following for the good of the group, but her group
is dwindling).
Sandra
Sandra
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nellebelle
>>>>>That was the final deal, it's over, it's a D, no reprieve.>>>Any English teacher that does not see re-writing as a critical part of the process is a poor English teacher. ESPECIALLY if it is a writing class! Revision is the name of the game.
OTH, it sound like Kirby will need to decide if he wants to play the game or not, by crossing the t's and dotting the i's exactly the way this teacher wants them crossed and dotted, if he decides to stay in the class.
Mary Ellen
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Pam Sorooshian
On Jan 31, 2005, at 5:56 PM, Robyn Coburn wrote:
outstanding writer. But her academic essays could be more polished and
she makes up the punctuation rules as she goes along, doesn't really
know why she makes the choices she does. I didn't read through Strunk
and White until I was a homeschooling mom - got through college and
years of grad school without it. But I learned a lot by just skimming
through it. I enjoyed it a lot.
-pam
> Is it Strunk and White who authored "The Elements of Style"? That wasI just recommended it to Roya. She is a creative writer - an
> recommended a lot when I was in college.
outstanding writer. But her academic essays could be more polished and
she makes up the punctuation rules as she goes along, doesn't really
know why she makes the choices she does. I didn't read through Strunk
and White until I was a homeschooling mom - got through college and
years of grad school without it. But I learned a lot by just skimming
through it. I enjoyed it a lot.
-pam
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/1/2005 12:23:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> writes:
I got it for Cameron 'cause S&W is technical and boring. O'Conner is fun and playful---and a little more 'current'.
I've heard (here & @ A-L) about two other fun ones---and I may pick them up, but I really like _Woe is I_.
~Kelly
>> Is it Strunk and White who authored "The Elements of Style"? That was"Strunk & White" was my bible growing up. We didn't even call it by its TITLE! <g> I have a 'funner' one now: _Woe is I_ by Patricia T O'Conner. "The Grammarphobe's Guide to Better English in Plain English."
>> recommended a lot when I was in college.
>
>I just recommended it to Roya. She is a creative writer - an
>outstanding writer. But her academic essays could be more polished and
>she makes up the punctuation rules as she goes along, doesn't really
>know why she makes the choices she does. I didn't read through Strunk
>and White until I was a homeschooling mom - got through college and
>years of grad school without it. But I learned a lot by just skimming
>through it. I enjoyed it a lot.
>
>-pam
I got it for Cameron 'cause S&W is technical and boring. O'Conner is fun and playful---and a little more 'current'.
I've heard (here & @ A-L) about two other fun ones---and I may pick them up, but I really like _Woe is I_.
~Kelly
Julie Bogart
--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
Better English in Plain English."
Strunk and White is a solid book (no doubt deserves the title classic). But there are so
many wonderful grammar references/resources now that aren't quite to "old" feeling.
I loved _Woe is I_ too.
My favorite grammar *references* though, are Nitty Gritty Grammar and More Nitty Gritty
Grammar (by Edith Fine and Judith Jospehsonthe self-proclaimed Grammar Patrol).
These books are the kind that you can flip to a section that deals specifically with the
punctuation/grammar issue of concern. More NGG is indexed by alphabet so you can look
for commas by looking under "c" or semi-colons by looking under "s." The best thing
about the Nitty Gritty Grammar books is that they use synidcated cartoons to reinforce
grammar and punctuation principles.
My oldest at fourteen read the books all the way through just to see all the comics. :)
Exactly.
I loved _Woe is I_ as a good grammar read, but find it a bit harder to use for quick checks.
I have both.
Julie B
>a 'funner' one now: _Woe is I_ by Patricia T O'Conner. "The Grammarphobe's Guide to
> "Strunk & White" was my bible growing up. We didn't even call it by its TITLE! <g> I have
Better English in Plain English."
Strunk and White is a solid book (no doubt deserves the title classic). But there are so
many wonderful grammar references/resources now that aren't quite to "old" feeling.
I loved _Woe is I_ too.
My favorite grammar *references* though, are Nitty Gritty Grammar and More Nitty Gritty
Grammar (by Edith Fine and Judith Jospehsonthe self-proclaimed Grammar Patrol).
These books are the kind that you can flip to a section that deals specifically with the
punctuation/grammar issue of concern. More NGG is indexed by alphabet so you can look
for commas by looking under "c" or semi-colons by looking under "s." The best thing
about the Nitty Gritty Grammar books is that they use synidcated cartoons to reinforce
grammar and punctuation principles.
My oldest at fourteen read the books all the way through just to see all the comics. :)
>and a little more 'current'.
> I got it for Cameron 'cause S&W is technical and boring. O'Conner is fun and playful---
Exactly.
>really like _Woe is I_.
> I've heard (here & @ A-L) about two other fun ones---and I may pick them up, but I
I loved _Woe is I_ as a good grammar read, but find it a bit harder to use for quick checks.
I have both.
Julie B
[email protected]
>>I'm stunned at the ridiculousness this teacher is calling writing. Shame on her! Giveswriting teachers everywhere a bad name.<<
Brings back memories of why I hated high school and college English...and now that I'm in my forties I'm drawn to fiction writing and am fairly good at it.
Some teachers are on power trips, and their instructions are meant to be anal and confusing and they're just looking for a reason to mark you down, not really looking to help you learn how to write. Sad.
Kirby's time and energies would be better spent with a teacher who wants his/her students to actually learn something. If all the students bail, that will send a strong message to the power trip lady. ;)
Janet
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>------------
>Any English teacher that does not see re-writing as a critical part of the process is a poor English teacher. ESPECIALLY if it is a writing class! Revision is the name of the game.-=-
Revision is the name of the game in the real world.
They wrote the first draft in class, she gave them a checklist of what to fix, and they had the one shot to fix it (while referring back to that list all they wanted).
It was a test. It was a test of practice writing.
It wasn't real, live writing for lively realworld purposes.
Inna Manni
any time one enters any institution in order to 'learn' something,
there is a fork in the road. one can learn the subject or one can
learn the teacher. learning the teacher is a useful skill and will
lead to a better 'grade' and maybe better understanding of other
people. i guess it all depends on what is important to one at the
time.. teaching to write is a rare skill, but anyone can grade based
on adherence to the petty little rules :( I wonder how many really
good future writers were convinced they suck by incompetent "English
teachers"..
--Inna
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there is a fork in the road. one can learn the subject or one can
learn the teacher. learning the teacher is a useful skill and will
lead to a better 'grade' and maybe better understanding of other
people. i guess it all depends on what is important to one at the
time.. teaching to write is a rare skill, but anyone can grade based
on adherence to the petty little rules :( I wonder how many really
good future writers were convinced they suck by incompetent "English
teachers"..
--Inna
> The teacher told him he wrote well, but__________________________________
> that
> that's not enough. He was 10 points off (a whole grade) for not
> underlining the thesis, and another 10 points off because some
> paragraphs
> were less than 100 words. So that was a C before she even read a
> word.>>>>>
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On Feb 19, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Inna Manni wrote:
well. But I do not write fiction.
Why not?
Because Mr. Johnson wrote "rather juvenile!" in big red letters across
my story in my first college course. I was so embarrassed. That was it
for me. No more fiction from MY pen!
-pam
> I wonder how many reallyI'm a pretty good writer - I can express myself in writing reasonably
> good future writers were convinced they suck by incompetent "English
> teachers"..
well. But I do not write fiction.
Why not?
Because Mr. Johnson wrote "rather juvenile!" in big red letters across
my story in my first college course. I was so embarrassed. That was it
for me. No more fiction from MY pen!
-pam
Heather Woodward
Pam - write fiction! ;-)
When I was in school I wrote the story of how my cat was stuck in a tree for over a week, etc, as a children's story. My Professor's remarks were that this was "too scary a concept for children". It had a happy ending.... oh well, as a child I would say the experience was more sad than scary.
Heather
When I was in school I wrote the story of how my cat was stuck in a tree for over a week, etc, as a children's story. My Professor's remarks were that this was "too scary a concept for children". It had a happy ending.... oh well, as a child I would say the experience was more sad than scary.
Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Sorooshian
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Kirby and discipline and school
On Feb 19, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Inna Manni wrote:
> I wonder how many really
> good future writers were convinced they suck by incompetent "English
> teachers"..
I'm a pretty good writer - I can express myself in writing reasonably
well. But I do not write fiction.
Why not?
Because Mr. Johnson wrote "rather juvenile!" in big red letters across
my story in my first college course. I was so embarrassed. That was it
for me. No more fiction from MY pen!
-pam
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Deb Lewis
***Mr. Johnson wrote "rather juvenile!" in big red letters across
my story ***
Lots and lots of money in Juvenile fiction! <g>
Mr. Johnson was an ass. Your first story could be about a nasty teacher
who is reduced in size by magic red ink and then squashed under the
sensible shoe of a very clever statistician.
Deb L
my story ***
Lots and lots of money in Juvenile fiction! <g>
Mr. Johnson was an ass. Your first story could be about a nasty teacher
who is reduced in size by magic red ink and then squashed under the
sensible shoe of a very clever statistician.
Deb L