Ren Allen

"Riley wants to know about stories where the "bad guy" wins."

um....the last election? Ok, it's a joke...I don't want to start
anything political here.:)

What about stories that sort of explore human nature without such a
clear cut between bad and good? I really like stories that show the
good side of the "bad guys" and the bad side of the "good guys",
kinda realistic that way.
Maybe he'd like some stories that explore those types of themes?

This is a rather adult film...some violence and such that a younger
child might not be ready for. But "Three Kings" follows some
soldiers post-Gulf War and how their initial seeking for greedy
purposes leads them to a higher good and blurs the lines between the
good and bad guys.

There's probably better ones for younger people...I'll brainstorm.

Ren

Cyndi

Hi,
One movie series that comes to mind where the "hero" is not a good
guy are the "Pitch Black" and "Chronicles of Riddick" movie series.
(Definitely mature content). I think Riddick is a game, too.

I googled "bad guy wins" and came up with a lot of lists, etc.
There's a guy on listmania (amazon.com) that lists movies where the
bad guy wins and I had forgotten a whole bunch of them, so there are
quite a few out there. Also, a review of the movie "Hud" with Paul
Newman (1960's) states that it is an anti-hero movie and the bad guy
wins in the end (plus it might be a little easier to watch for a
younger child than "Seven", "Fight Club", or the Hannibal Lecter
series, depending on your child). Also, lots of reference to the
Star Wars movies, new and old, and for reading, reference to Tom
Clancy novels and a cool book about comic book bad guys by Stan Lee.

Cyndi

Robyn Coburn

<<<<I googled "bad guy wins" and came up with a lot of lists, etc.
There's a guy on listmania (amazon.com) that lists movies where the
bad guy wins and I had forgotten a whole bunch of them, so there are
quite a few out there.>>>>

"Meet John Doe" is a movie where the bad guy has the apparent big victory,
through controlling all the media in a way no longer possible thanks to the
internet, but the small personal victory goes to the good guy - plus there
are lots of changes of heart in the story.

Someone else mentioned the Lemony Snicket series. I would concur that there
just seems to be no "once and for all" defeat of the Count, at least in the
early books. I guess the movie is the first three books - they are all quite
a short easy read.

I have just started reading the Narnia books to Jayn. I will be reading them
in writing order, not this new notion of calling "The Magician's Nephew"
number one. However it occurs to me that that one in particular, the bad
guy, Empress Jadis, does not lose but is merely delayed.

Robyn L. Coburn

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Voldemort is doing pretty well in the Harry Potter series. "Winning"?
Thusfar, five books in, he's not losing. And the ratty evil Malfoys seem to be
doing pretty well for themselves, while poor Harry and Neville are living with
relatives and without their own parents, not in very good circumstances, not
with a lot of current hope.

Sandra


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