Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Throwing fruit out the car window
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I know it's not up to me, but if it were, you would be forgiven! Apple
cores are biodegradable. It's better for their energy to be returned to the
earth than to be put into a landfill. As long as you didn't throw it on a
sidewalk, or at someone (!) you're O.K.!<<<<
Although just as a point, mice and small animals feed on the remains of food
and raptors feed on the small animals. That is how they get hit by cars.
They swoop in low with their eye on the mouse and don't see the oncoming cars.
We visited a raptor recovery center and learned about those injured animals
etc. Now my boys are real conscious about throwing banana peels, apple
cores etc out the car window.
Pam G
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cores are biodegradable. It's better for their energy to be returned to the
earth than to be put into a landfill. As long as you didn't throw it on a
sidewalk, or at someone (!) you're O.K.!<<<<
Although just as a point, mice and small animals feed on the remains of food
and raptors feed on the small animals. That is how they get hit by cars.
They swoop in low with their eye on the mouse and don't see the oncoming cars.
We visited a raptor recovery center and learned about those injured animals
etc. Now my boys are real conscious about throwing banana peels, apple
cores etc out the car window.
Pam G
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In a message dated 10/5/2004 9:22:56 AM Central Standard Time,
Genant2@... writes:
Although just as a point, mice and small animals feed on the remains of
food
and raptors feed on the small animals. That is how they get hit by cars.
They swoop in low with their eye on the mouse and don't see the oncoming
cars.
We visited a raptor recovery center and learned about those injured animals
etc. Now my boys are real conscious about throwing banana peels, apple
cores etc out the car window.
~~~
I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and possums,
though. A turkey vulture did fly up from the road, change direction suddenly
and knock the mirror off my car. (He wasn't killed, just stunned and he
flew away to eat carrion another day.)
Skunks and possums don't go out in the road just because of banana peels and
apple cores. There just can't be that many banana peels and apple cores.
The skunks and possums wander out on the road because it gets quiet out there
at night and they don't know it's a road. They're trying to get to someplace
else, or rooting around on the shoulder. They're following their nose.
It's more likely their nose is leading them to something that grows on the side
of the road, or something else naturally occurring.
Karen
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Genant2@... writes:
Although just as a point, mice and small animals feed on the remains of
food
and raptors feed on the small animals. That is how they get hit by cars.
They swoop in low with their eye on the mouse and don't see the oncoming
cars.
We visited a raptor recovery center and learned about those injured animals
etc. Now my boys are real conscious about throwing banana peels, apple
cores etc out the car window.
~~~
I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and possums,
though. A turkey vulture did fly up from the road, change direction suddenly
and knock the mirror off my car. (He wasn't killed, just stunned and he
flew away to eat carrion another day.)
Skunks and possums don't go out in the road just because of banana peels and
apple cores. There just can't be that many banana peels and apple cores.
The skunks and possums wander out on the road because it gets quiet out there
at night and they don't know it's a road. They're trying to get to someplace
else, or rooting around on the shoulder. They're following their nose.
It's more likely their nose is leading them to something that grows on the side
of the road, or something else naturally occurring.
Karen
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In a message dated 10/5/04 9:13:57 AM, tuckervill2@... writes:
<< I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and
possums,
though. >>
Out in the country we see dead crows who came to eat things people threw out.
Then coyotes will come to eat the crows. Drivers can die from trying to
avoid hitting a coyote.
I think the worst is when people throw out sandwiches, halves of hamburgers.
They have food all KINDS of animals want.
Sandra
<< I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and
possums,
though. >>
Out in the country we see dead crows who came to eat things people threw out.
Then coyotes will come to eat the crows. Drivers can die from trying to
avoid hitting a coyote.
I think the worst is when people throw out sandwiches, halves of hamburgers.
They have food all KINDS of animals want.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:00:29 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and
possums,
though. >>
Out in the country we see dead crows who came to eat things people threw
out.
Then coyotes will come to eat the crows. Drivers can die from trying to
avoid hitting a coyote.
~~~
Yeah, when I lived 50 miles from Memphis in the middle of nowhere last year,
we saw coyotes and deer a lot. You don't want to hit a deer, ever. But it
was skunks and possums that were killed the most. We lived there for 18
months and I worked nights. It seemed like there was a "skunk season", the
cooler weather, but not cold, where there was *always* a skunk killed on the
highway...more than one most nights. The turkey vultures did go out there to eat,
but I never saw a coyote doing so. The cotton fields and pastures are good
enough hunting grounds for coyotes, I guess. Or they eat small dogs, like
what happened to my little Ladybug.
I'm surprised you see dead crows. It's really hard to hit a bird. Those
turkey vultures are the most "brave" scavengers I've seen, and the only reason
I hit that one is that he changed direction in midflight and flew right into
my car mirror.
Maybe in the desert it's harder for animals to distinguish between a road
and just dirt. Where I lived, the road was two-lane with no shoulder, with
fields or forest on either side. The road was harder to wander onto, when you
consider the natural habitat is the fields or forest or underbrush. I guess.
:)
I just think that little animals wandering on to the highway is more a
function of the animals' behavior, and not necessarily what a human throws out the
window.
Karen
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SandraDodd@... writes:
<< I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and
possums,
though. >>
Out in the country we see dead crows who came to eat things people threw
out.
Then coyotes will come to eat the crows. Drivers can die from trying to
avoid hitting a coyote.
~~~
Yeah, when I lived 50 miles from Memphis in the middle of nowhere last year,
we saw coyotes and deer a lot. You don't want to hit a deer, ever. But it
was skunks and possums that were killed the most. We lived there for 18
months and I worked nights. It seemed like there was a "skunk season", the
cooler weather, but not cold, where there was *always* a skunk killed on the
highway...more than one most nights. The turkey vultures did go out there to eat,
but I never saw a coyote doing so. The cotton fields and pastures are good
enough hunting grounds for coyotes, I guess. Or they eat small dogs, like
what happened to my little Ladybug.
I'm surprised you see dead crows. It's really hard to hit a bird. Those
turkey vultures are the most "brave" scavengers I've seen, and the only reason
I hit that one is that he changed direction in midflight and flew right into
my car mirror.
Maybe in the desert it's harder for animals to distinguish between a road
and just dirt. Where I lived, the road was two-lane with no shoulder, with
fields or forest on either side. The road was harder to wander onto, when you
consider the natural habitat is the fields or forest or underbrush. I guess.
:)
I just think that little animals wandering on to the highway is more a
function of the animals' behavior, and not necessarily what a human throws out the
window.
Karen
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In a message dated 10/5/04 10:52:21 AM, tuckervill2@... writes:
<< I'm surprised you see dead crows. It's really hard to hit a bird. >>
Unless they're distractedly eating something (food or smaller animal) that
came onto the highway.
Sandra
<< I'm surprised you see dead crows. It's really hard to hit a bird. >>
Unless they're distractedly eating something (food or smaller animal) that
came onto the highway.
Sandra
julie w
tuckervill2@... wrote:
I just hate that.
I think one of my cats has gone the way of food for the coyotes. He's
been gone since Friday night.
I miss him...which is surprising with 5 other cats and 3 dogs.
I'm not surprised though. We have a vacation jinx. Animals die when we
go on vacation.
Little critters always seem to be going somewhere when I see them
crossing the road. I do see crows eating dead stuff. I see lots of dead
snakes in early spring.
Julie W
>~sob~
> The cotton fields and pastures are good
> enough hunting grounds for coyotes, I guess. Or they eat small dogs,
> like
> what happened to my little Ladybug.
I just hate that.
I think one of my cats has gone the way of food for the coyotes. He's
been gone since Friday night.
I miss him...which is surprising with 5 other cats and 3 dogs.
I'm not surprised though. We have a vacation jinx. Animals die when we
go on vacation.
Little critters always seem to be going somewhere when I see them
crossing the road. I do see crows eating dead stuff. I see lots of dead
snakes in early spring.
Julie W
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In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:13:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and possums,
though. A turkey vulture did fly up from the road, change direction
suddenly
and knock the mirror off my car. (He wasn't killed, just stunned and he
flew away to eat carrion another day.)<<<<
So you assumed. He could have had some brain damage. This happened to a hawk
at the NC Wild For Life Sanctuary. She was hit by a car and can still fly,
but she flies in circles and can't adequately hunt anymore. She's now a
permanent resident and educational bird for Wild For Life.
Others have had serious wing damage. Some die after suffering for a while.
All the raptor centers ask that people refrain from throwing food from cars.
It's the number one cause of injury & death in birds of prey around here.
Marjorie may be forgiving. <g> But the raptors probably aren't!
~Kelly
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tuckervill2@... writes:
I never see dead raptors on the highway. I see lots of skunks and possums,
though. A turkey vulture did fly up from the road, change direction
suddenly
and knock the mirror off my car. (He wasn't killed, just stunned and he
flew away to eat carrion another day.)<<<<
So you assumed. He could have had some brain damage. This happened to a hawk
at the NC Wild For Life Sanctuary. She was hit by a car and can still fly,
but she flies in circles and can't adequately hunt anymore. She's now a
permanent resident and educational bird for Wild For Life.
Others have had serious wing damage. Some die after suffering for a while.
All the raptor centers ask that people refrain from throwing food from cars.
It's the number one cause of injury & death in birds of prey around here.
Marjorie may be forgiving. <g> But the raptors probably aren't!
~Kelly
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In a message dated 10/5/2004 2:26:51 PM Central Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
All the raptor centers ask that people refrain from throwing food from
cars.
It's the number one cause of injury & death in birds of prey around here.
Marjorie may be forgiving. <g> But the raptors probably aren't!
~~~
The turkey vulture was eating a skunk when it hit me. The skunk had been
squashed in the middle of the road. I frankly don't care if the turkey vulture
flew loop-de-loops or died. It cost me hundreds of dollars to fix my mirror.
If you don't want anyone to hit raptors, outlaw automobiles.
Karen
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
All the raptor centers ask that people refrain from throwing food from
cars.
It's the number one cause of injury & death in birds of prey around here.
Marjorie may be forgiving. <g> But the raptors probably aren't!
~~~
The turkey vulture was eating a skunk when it hit me. The skunk had been
squashed in the middle of the road. I frankly don't care if the turkey vulture
flew loop-de-loops or died. It cost me hundreds of dollars to fix my mirror.
If you don't want anyone to hit raptors, outlaw automobiles.
Karen
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Marjorie Kirk
In a message dated 10/5/2004 2:26:51 PM Central Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
All the raptor centers ask that people refrain from throwing food from
cars.
It's the number one cause of injury & death in birds of prey around here.
Marjorie may be forgiving. <g> But the raptors probably aren't!
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Wasn't the original apple core in question thrown into the grass on the side
of the road? I never forgave anyone for throwing fruit on the road! ;-)
Marjorie
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
All the raptor centers ask that people refrain from throwing food from
cars.
It's the number one cause of injury & death in birds of prey around here.
Marjorie may be forgiving. <g> But the raptors probably aren't!
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**
Wasn't the original apple core in question thrown into the grass on the side
of the road? I never forgave anyone for throwing fruit on the road! ;-)
Marjorie
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In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:57:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mkirk@... writes:
Wasn't the original apple core in question thrown into the grass on the side
of the road? I never forgave anyone for throwing fruit on the road! ;-)<<<<
Thrown out of the car is the problem. Unless you have a *really* good arm!
<g>
Small critters come out to eat it. The raptors see them, swoop down to catch
the mouse or bunny (or whatever), and are hit by passing cars. Not the car
that threw the apple core, but another, later. Think about the *arc* of the
swoop or take-off---perfect target for the hawk to be in range.
~Kelly
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mkirk@... writes:
Wasn't the original apple core in question thrown into the grass on the side
of the road? I never forgave anyone for throwing fruit on the road! ;-)<<<<
Thrown out of the car is the problem. Unless you have a *really* good arm!
<g>
Small critters come out to eat it. The raptors see them, swoop down to catch
the mouse or bunny (or whatever), and are hit by passing cars. Not the car
that threw the apple core, but another, later. Think about the *arc* of the
swoop or take-off---perfect target for the hawk to be in range.
~Kelly
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Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani
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From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Throwing fruit out the car window
In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:57:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mkirk@... writes:
Thrown out of the car is the problem. Unless you have a *really* good arm!
<g>
Small critters come out to eat it. The raptors see them, swoop down to catch
the mouse or bunny (or whatever), and are hit by passing cars. Not the car
that threw the apple core, but another, later. Think about the *arc* of the
swoop or take-off---perfect target for the hawk to be in range.
~Kelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks for this conversation. I used to tell my daughter she could throw things out of the car that were things animals could eat, but not soda cans or plastic bags, etc. Not trash. I'll have to talk this over with her now. Of course, in MT and TX, you'll get a big fine for throwing anything out the window.
Thanks, Kelly.
Nichole
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In a message dated 10/6/2004 8:50:17 AM Central Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Small critters come out to eat it. The raptors see them, swoop down to
catch
the mouse or bunny (or whatever), and are hit by passing cars. Not the car
that threw the apple core, but another, later. Think about the *arc* of the
swoop or take-off---perfect target for the hawk to be in range.
~~~
You must have missed my post about how animals wander into the road just
because they're animals, and not necessarily because there's some human-created
waste on it.
The number of skunks and possums I used to see killed and/or snuffing around
the roadside on our country two-lane just couldn't be out there *simply*
because someone threw out an apple core. Since I stated it seems like there was
a "skunk season" when the days were warmer and nights were cooler, it seems
to me that the skunks could have been attracted to the warmed asphalt, as
opposed to the cool underbrush. I've thought a lot about it, driving home at
night, avoiding skunks and possums and holding my breath along that 10 mile
stretch of road. :)
Karen
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Small critters come out to eat it. The raptors see them, swoop down to
catch
the mouse or bunny (or whatever), and are hit by passing cars. Not the car
that threw the apple core, but another, later. Think about the *arc* of the
swoop or take-off---perfect target for the hawk to be in range.
~~~
You must have missed my post about how animals wander into the road just
because they're animals, and not necessarily because there's some human-created
waste on it.
The number of skunks and possums I used to see killed and/or snuffing around
the roadside on our country two-lane just couldn't be out there *simply*
because someone threw out an apple core. Since I stated it seems like there was
a "skunk season" when the days were warmer and nights were cooler, it seems
to me that the skunks could have been attracted to the warmed asphalt, as
opposed to the cool underbrush. I've thought a lot about it, driving home at
night, avoiding skunks and possums and holding my breath along that 10 mile
stretch of road. :)
Karen
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In a message dated 10/6/04 8:31:43 AM, tuckervill2@... writes:
<< You must have missed my post about how animals wander into the road just
because they're animals, and not necessarily because there's some
human-created
waste on it. >>
They have to cross the road, but if there's food they're more likely to stay.
Haven't you ever seen animals stopping to eat food they find?
Sandra
<< You must have missed my post about how animals wander into the road just
because they're animals, and not necessarily because there's some
human-created
waste on it. >>
They have to cross the road, but if there's food they're more likely to stay.
Haven't you ever seen animals stopping to eat food they find?
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/6/2004 10:39:21 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Haven't you ever seen animals stopping to eat food they find?
~~~
Yeah, but rarely something that was thrown from a car window. Maybe people
don't throw food out as much around here?
My memories are mostly of birds in parks eating a bread crust that was left
by a picnicker. And possoums getting into trash cans and bags left overnight.
Karen
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SandraDodd@... writes:
Haven't you ever seen animals stopping to eat food they find?
~~~
Yeah, but rarely something that was thrown from a car window. Maybe people
don't throw food out as much around here?
My memories are mostly of birds in parks eating a bread crust that was left
by a picnicker. And possoums getting into trash cans and bags left overnight.
Karen
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