joalja2003

Hi My name is Stephanie. I found this site threw a differnt site. I
currently am starting to unschool my children. I have 4 children, ages
range from 10 to 9 months old. Nice to meet you all.

mas2buds

Hi! My name is Shari and have homeschooled my son, now 10, since
kindergarten. We sent our 5 yo daughter to kindergarten this
year, but brought her home after Thanksgiving. I really felt
that I was to homeschool both of them. Anyway, I have been
quite discouraged about homeschooling, lately, and ran across
information regrading 'unschooling'. This said, I am a beginner,
soaking in any information I can. Like other posts I have read,
I wonder how to overcome the old homeschooling thoughts...such
as, getting spelling, math, english, etc. 'accomplished'. When
do the kids learn accurate punctuation, spelling, etc.?

Another problem I feel I am really failing with, is how we spend
our time each day. A year ago we got TV and it seems to have
taken over our life! And my son has a Playstation 2. If he's
not watching TV, he's playing his PS2. To give him credit, he
does play with action figures such as: GI Joes, wrestlers. And
he loves watching the Game Show Network. I find it boring, but
I assume that this could be considered 'schooling', right? Getting
rid of TV is not an option right now, but I need to become more
disciplined in how much we watch. Help with ideas???

I guess I am afraid of what others will say (although we are keeping
it quiet, not even explaining to the kids why we're not 'doing
school' each day, at this point). We do have a support group we
belong to, but none of them 'unschool'. I know I'll have more
questions, but thanks for the help right now!!

Looking forward to learning more!

Shari

Joanne

Hello Shari and welcome!

Good for you for realising things can be better and then seeking out
the information! You're a great mom!
I just posted this to another new person and I don't want to sound
like a broken record but, when you have some time, read some of the
older threads here. There's a lot of good information there.

Take it slow, read and let it soak in...that's the best advice I can
give you. As for specifics...I'll leave that to the ones who are
more experienced.

~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
http://anunschoolinglife.blogspot.com/




--- In [email protected], "mas2buds" <mas2buds@h...>
wrote:
>
> Hi! My name is Shari and have homeschooled my son, now 10, since
> kindergarten. We sent our 5 yo daughter to kindergarten this
> year, but brought her home after Thanksgiving. I really felt
> that I was to homeschool both of them. Anyway, I have been
> quite discouraged about homeschooling, lately, and ran across
> information regrading 'unschooling'. This said, I am a beginner,
> soaking in any information I can. Like other posts I have read,
> I wonder how to overcome the old homeschooling thoughts...such
> as, getting spelling, math, english, etc. 'accomplished'. When
> do the kids learn accurate punctuation, spelling, etc.?
>
> Another problem I feel I am really failing with, is how we spend
> our time each day. A year ago we got TV and it seems to have
> taken over our life! And my son has a Playstation 2. If he's
> not watching TV, he's playing his PS2. To give him credit, he
> does play with action figures such as: GI Joes, wrestlers. And
> he loves watching the Game Show Network. I find it boring, but
> I assume that this could be considered 'schooling', right? Getting
> rid of TV is not an option right now, but I need to become more
> disciplined in how much we watch. Help with ideas???
>
> I guess I am afraid of what others will say (although we are
keeping
> it quiet, not even explaining to the kids why we're not 'doing
> school' each day, at this point). We do have a support group we
> belong to, but none of them 'unschool'. I know I'll have more
> questions, but thanks for the help right now!!
>
> Looking forward to learning more!
>
> Shari
>

nrskay

Shari:

Welcome! I'm still in deschooling mode with my 11 yo dd and I
understand your concerns. Take each day one day at a time, he will
begin to direct his own interest. Watching TV and playing PS2 is good
for your son right now, he needs to deschool and take control of his
environment. You need to deschool too and read as many books as you
can on unschooling. There is a book list in the files column.

Most of my friends are homeschoolers too and I said one thing to my
closest friend and that caused such a back lash that I know longer say
anything to that group of friends. I have actually found another
support group locally and this online group has been my primary
support.

Hang in there,
Kay

[email protected]

Hi Shari and welcome!

>>Like other posts I have read, I wonder how to overcome the old homeschooling thoughts...suchas, getting spelling, math, english, etc. 'accomplished'. When do the kids learn accurate punctuation, spelling, etc.? >>

They learn by doing when the times comes. Right now my 11 yod Casey is spending most of her time on Neopets. Some people might say she's just playing. They might even moan that she does nothing all day but chat on the computer. But I can see the learning. I can see the excitement of her pursuing something she loves.

Yesterday she was creating an "application" to adopt a pet. She wrote a full page of HTML coding to create her application page, a story describing the life of her desired pet, a poem and a description of herself and her Neopets family. It was an amazing amount of work. She asked me to proofread her story. I was surprised (but not really) at how her spelling and grammar is improving each time I do this for her. She's writing because she has a goal. She wants to adopt that pet. She wants it accurate because apparently the person giving up the pet for adoption said spelling and grammar count. :o) When Casey first started writing stories, she didn't stress over spelling and grammar and neither did I. Now she cares and her writing has naturally improved.

I've also been noticing the amount of math concepts she getting on Neopets. She created a store to sell her unused items. She's keeping a log of what she's got, how much she spent on it and how much she needs to clear to make a profit. She's learned that she can undersell some items and overprice others to end up with a net profit. She's also becoming incredibly proficient in flipping around and understanding numbers in the thousands and millions. That's something we had talked about and played around with before but that was always confusing for her. Now she talks about having 10k and selling something for 30k and now she has 40,000 neopoints. Add that to her current bank account of 970k and she'll tel me she's got over a million points. She *understands* those numbers and what they really represent because it has meaning for her in her shop and it helps her to accomplish whatever Neopets goals she has currently.

Those are just a couple of examples using my daughter as an example. My son's story is completely different. He's not interested in writing or Neopets. But he loves Halo2 and XBox. He loves gaming, manga, Anime and anything Japanese. Things like writing and math concepts flow out of those interests. His learning is following that path and his own timetable. He frequents websites and message boards to discuss these passions. He uses spelling and grammar to be understood and appreciated. He's been using his math skils forever (it seems) to buy and sell all of his fan-based items.

>>Getting rid of TV is not an option right now, but I need to become more
disciplined in how much we watch. Help with ideas???>>

Yes. I would suggest you not worry so much. Easier said than done I know. But TV is not the enemy. In fact it can be a great unschooling ally if you learn to see it for the value it can bring to your child's otherwise interesting and full life.

The first trick is to get in there and watch TV and play the PS2 with your kids. Figure out what they're getting from these games and programs and support that. TV has brought so much learning into our lives and has led to much, much more. There are times they binge and seem to watch a lot and times they expand and explore into other activities. It's kind of all connected. But by not demonizing the TV or XBox in our house, it's viewed as just another activity. Since you only got a TV a year ago and have been struggling with a homeschool schedule, TV is still new and inviting. I'd let them fill their need until they're ready to branch out to other things.

>>We do have a support group we belong to, but none of them 'unschool'.>>

Online support and friends can be incredibly helpful. I'm glad you found us.


--
~Mary, unschooling mom to Conor (16) and Casey (11)

"Just today I'm going to be utterly present for my children, I'm going to be in their world (not just doing my own thing while they do theirs), I'm going to really hear them, I'm going to prepare myself to be present starting right now."
~Ren Allen




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[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: mas2buds mas2buds@...

Like other posts I have read,
I wonder how to overcome the old homeschooling thoughts...such
as, getting spelling, math, english, etc. 'accomplished'. When
do the kids learn accurate punctuation, spelling, etc.?
-=-=-=-

The simple answer is "when they are ready." Cameron (18 this week) loves to write letters---e-mail AND sanil mail---always beautifully decorated note cards. He's behind right now and owes five letters to friends from camp and the conference. It's important to *him* that things are spelled correctly, so he asks if he's not sure. Slowly, the spelling naturally corrects itself because he learns.

I'm a bit of a nut about grammar, so both boys know weird things like possessives before the gerunds and how to corrrectly use adverbs, commas, and semicolons. But that's something that's important to me---just like dog training and grooming and showing----it's something that comes kind of as a side effect of living in our house. Other families may have a better grasp of probability and statistics or splitting wood. It's just what's discussed here on a regular basis.

But if it matters to them, they will learn it because it IS important to them.

-=-=-=-=-


Another problem I feel I am really failing with, is how we spend
our time each day. A year ago we got TV and it seems to have
taken over our life! And my son has a Playstation 2. If he's
not watching TV, he's playing his PS2. To give him credit, he
does play with action figures such as: GI Joes, wrestlers. And
he loves watching the Game Show Network.

-=-=-=-

He should get "credit" for it all---he's learning from ALL of it! Don't assume one thing is more "educational" than another. He learns from it all.

-=-=-=-=-
I find it boring, but I assume that this could be considered 'schooling', right?

-=-=-==-

Well, I find a LOT of things boring or painful, but I find even more things exciting and stimulating.

My version of hell: sitting in a bowling alley or on a golf course. Listening to jazz. Watching video games. Eating eggs and tofu.

My husband lives to ride his bike. Cameron lives to drum. Duncan lives to play games.

Luckily I don't *have* to do any of these things, But I understand that they love them, so I support them. They support my beekeeping, my fencing, my gardening, my dogs, my conferencing, my....

-=-=-=-=-
Getting rid of TV is not an option right now, but I need to become more
disciplined in how much we watch. Help with ideas???

-=-=-=-

How about getting rid of old, mainstream ideas and becoming more disciplined in how *you* deal with their choices?? <g>

It really is a HUGE paradigm shift. It's very hard, but soooo rewarding when you can make that shift!


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org



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mas2buds

Kelli,

You have given me a lot to think about, as well as others. I can't
believe the support here. One thing I find hard, is getting rid
of ideas that have been 'learned' and 'taught', whether from
childhood, or as a 5 year long homeschooler.

Shari

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mas2buds mas2buds@h...
>
> Like other posts I have read,
> I wonder how to overcome the old homeschooling thoughts...such
> as, getting spelling, math, english, etc. 'accomplished'. When
> do the kids learn accurate punctuation, spelling, etc.?
> -=-=-=-
>
> The simple answer is "when they are ready." Cameron (18 this week)
loves to write letters---e-mail AND sanil mail---always beautifully
decorated note cards. He's behind right now and owes five letters to
friends from camp and the conference. It's important to *him* that
things are spelled correctly, so he asks if he's not sure. Slowly,
the spelling naturally corrects itself because he learns.
>
> I'm a bit of a nut about grammar, so both boys know weird things
like possessives before the gerunds and how to corrrectly use
adverbs, commas, and semicolons. But that's something that's
important to me---just like dog training and grooming and showing----
it's something that comes kind of as a side effect of living in our
house. Other families may have a better grasp of probability and
statistics or splitting wood. It's just what's discussed here on a
regular basis.
>
> But if it matters to them, they will learn it because it IS
important to them.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
>
> Another problem I feel I am really failing with, is how we spend
> our time each day. A year ago we got TV and it seems to have
> taken over our life! And my son has a Playstation 2. If he's
> not watching TV, he's playing his PS2. To give him credit, he
> does play with action figures such as: GI Joes, wrestlers. And
> he loves watching the Game Show Network.
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> He should get "credit" for it all---he's learning from ALL of it!
Don't assume one thing is more "educational" than another. He learns
from it all.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
> I find it boring, but I assume that this could be
considered 'schooling', right?
>
> -=-=-==-
>
> Well, I find a LOT of things boring or painful, but I find even
more things exciting and stimulating.
>
> My version of hell: sitting in a bowling alley or on a golf course.
Listening to jazz. Watching video games. Eating eggs and tofu.
>
> My husband lives to ride his bike. Cameron lives to drum. Duncan
lives to play games.
>
> Luckily I don't *have* to do any of these things, But I understand
that they love them, so I support them. They support my beekeeping,
my fencing, my gardening, my dogs, my conferencing, my....
>
> -=-=-=-=-
> Getting rid of TV is not an option right now, but I need to become
more
> disciplined in how much we watch. Help with ideas???
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> How about getting rid of old, mainstream ideas and becoming more
disciplined in how *you* deal with their choices?? <g>
>
> It really is a HUGE paradigm shift. It's very hard, but soooo
rewarding when you can make that shift!
>
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://liveandlearnconference.org
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ren Allen

"One thing I find hard, is getting rid
of ideas that have been 'learned' and 'taught', whether from
childhood, or as a 5 year long homeschooler."

Yeah, no kidding!! What amazes me, is that after almost ten years of
homeschooling, many years of deprogramming and unschooling, I STILL
think/say the damndest things sometimes.
Fortunately, my kids just look at me funny (or call me out on it) and
keep doing what they're doing. Sweet twerps!:)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Ren Allen

" From 11:30am to bedtime the rest of each day is free to do as she
pleases.

It has worked so much better for all of this way ."

So much better for all of you? Or more convenient for the parents?
This list is here to help people move closer to UNschooling.

I'll tell you what forced Bible reading did for me, turned me into a
very resentful and angry child. Why would you want to make her do
something (Bible or otherwise) if it isn't coming from her heart?

Spirituality comes from a deep well within us, I think it's
detrimental to unschooling to force any kind of learning whether it's
about chores, religion or any other topic.
Trust is the key to unschooling.
Trust that the child WANTS to learn about their world.
Trust that people do best when they are in an environment of respect,
joy and freedom.

Unschooling can not unfold until the requirements stop. The day you
start to believe she can learn everything and anything for her unique
life journey is the day you begin unschooling. I hope you can give her
that joy and freedom.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Lesa McMahon-Lowe

OOOOO, Ren, that was awesome! Truely awesome! I'm tagging that one for
printing. :)



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lesa
CASDFGHJKQERTIP
Mom to Dayle *9, Wife to Rick, and Me in My Own Right.
L.I.F.E. (Living In Freedom Everyday) Academy

http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/lesajm/

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
-John F. Kennedy

-------Original Message-------

From: Ren Allen
Date: 03/16/06 17:54:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] New member

" From 11:30am to bedtime the rest of each day is free to do as she
pleases.

It has worked so much better for all of this way ."

So much better for all of you? Or more convenient for the parents?
This list is here to help people move closer to UNschooling.

I'll tell you what forced Bible reading did for me, turned me into a
very resentful and angry child. Why would you want to make her do
something (Bible or otherwise) if it isn't coming from her heart?

Spirituality comes from a deep well within us, I think it's
detrimental to unschooling to force any kind of learning whether it's
about chores, religion or any other topic.
Trust is the key to unschooling.
Trust that the child WANTS to learn about their world.
Trust that people do best when they are in an environment of respect,
joy and freedom.

Unschooling can not unfold until the requirements stop. The day you
start to believe she can learn everything and anything for her unique
life journey is the day you begin unschooling. I hope you can give her
that joy and freedom.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

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mdfisher23

Hello to everyone. I am new to the list and new to unschooling. My DD
is 4 and my DS is almost 3. I read three of John Holt's books last
fall and am convinced that unschooling is the way for our family and so
I'm excited to be a part of this group to learn from others.
Marcia, Clara and Gus