k

Housefairy must have a different web address since the one Shannon gave is
an empty domain.

Flylady.net is most definitely *not* unschooly. However I do like some of
her principles and I think she's very helpful for different approaches to
cleaning attitudes, and quite a few great techniques too by the way. House
Fairy is on Flylady further down on the home page. One hesitation I have
with using these programs (from an unschooling standpoint) is rewards are
done in a topdown fashion. BUT a parent *could* choose to present the ideas
and allow the child/ren to manage and use any rewards for themselves as they
see fit. It could be tweaked for unschooling. I don't like the idea of
saying it like: "reward yourself" any better than someone else rewarding
another person... it's still positive reinforcement.

I also don't like the idea that people are somehow better or happier when
their things are clean. Just me personally--- I like things to be clean but
I don't have that enjoyment attached to *me* and how I see myself or how I
feel about myself. To my mind, enjoyment of a clean environment and being
happy with who I am are separate.

I do like Flylady however, in my own fashion. I may not interpret cleaning
the same way she does, but I do *love* many of her ideas. One of my
buggaboos is forgetfulness and I have found her techniques to actually be
useful for me. Most ideas about dealing with time and not forgetting what
needs to be done don't work for me. Hey and the roomy calendar she sells
totally rocks! Thanks for the reminder to order the thing. I forgot...
haha.

~Katherine



On 7/18/08, Shannon <dragteine76@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how unschooling House Fairy (Housefairy.com ) would be
> considered but she works in our house.. She helps you by giving you the
> tools to give your children the tools to pickup after themselves. It has
> helped the adults as well as the kids. I have to say that I just didn't see
> my kids as being capable of doing what I thought they needed to do but we
> have all learned differently. My eight year old even helps with the
> laundry.
> That is not to say that he has done it by himself. Housework can be fun and
> even it takes longer it is much more fun done together.
>
> Shannon
>
> _____
>
>
>


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swissarmy_wife

I visit FlyLady when i'm feeling particularly overwhelmed. Her ideas
help me put the house work into perspective. I love her idea to spend
15 minutes on something. 15 minutes is not overwhelming even when the
laundry pile or the kids rooms or the whole house is!

I also use her cleaning lists sometimes. I tend to be a bit
scatterbrained so following a list really helps me tidy up when I'm
feeling the need for more "tidiness".

-Heather


--- In [email protected], k <katherand@...> wrote:
>
> Housefairy must have a different web address since the one Shannon
gave is
> an empty domain.
>
> Flylady.net is most definitely *not* unschooly. However I do like
some of
> her principles and I think she's very helpful for different
approaches to
> cleaning attitudes, and quite a few great techniques too by the way.
House
> Fairy is on Flylady further down on the home page. One hesitation I
have
> with using these programs (from an unschooling standpoint) is
rewards are
> done in a topdown fashion. BUT a parent *could* choose to present
the ideas
> and allow the child/ren to manage and use any rewards for themselves
as they
> see fit. It could be tweaked for unschooling. I don't like the idea of
> saying it like: "reward yourself" any better than someone else rewarding
> another person... it's still positive reinforcement.
>
> I also don't like the idea that people are somehow better or happier
when
> their things are clean. Just me personally--- I like things to be
clean but
> I don't have that enjoyment attached to *me* and how I see myself or
how I
> feel about myself. To my mind, enjoyment of a clean environment and
being
> happy with who I am are separate.
>
> I do like Flylady however, in my own fashion. I may not interpret
cleaning
> the same way she does, but I do *love* many of her ideas. One of my
> buggaboos is forgetfulness and I have found her techniques to
actually be
> useful for me. Most ideas about dealing with time and not
forgetting what
> needs to be done don't work for me. Hey and the roomy calendar she
sells
> totally rocks! Thanks for the reminder to order the thing. I forgot...
> haha.
>
> ~Katherine